how about a new f**king crime

Someone suggested it in the other post about being able to toggle it, still think thats a great idea, toggle all swearing. I'm personally not offended by any words but I get how it can distress others

This isn't the option we'll be considering nor is it particularly practical.

I can very easily adjust the filter, I can't as easily get the entire forums, chats and social areas completely redesigned and re-intergrated with such a system. Anyone saying it's just an easy change has no clue there at all, it would involve new systems, database changes, UI changes, system load and checks across an array of different areas that don't utilize the same system. 

As the incredibly unhelpful and irrelevant comment above states "how about a new crime", well... if you want us to delay things further and pull devs away to create such a system... sure... maybe we can get that to you in a year... but that's not what I'm interested in doing or discussing nor do I think it's what people actually want. 

If "f**k" gets uncensored, will there be limits to appropriate usage?

Pre-post-edit: I was about to actually write an offensive demonstration of how the word could be used, but it goes beyond my line by some way...

I wouldn't see any need to change things beyond how we treat it already. 

Someone saying "f**k you" isn't moderated, so neither would an unfiltered variant.

Someone spamming "f**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**kf**k" isn't moderated as obscenity, so nor would the unfiltered variant, but it is certainly within scope to moderate it as spamming as we could already do with it filtered. 

Someone adding additional vulgarity or slurs could be treated as obscenity, same as it would with "f**k" being filtered or not - the issue at that point isn't the f**k or not. 

They removed the sandy Ioam filter and I havent seen a rise in its usage....

In seriousness: I do not believe removing the filter from f**k will increase in its usage in the long term, those using it already f**king use it and leave it f**king censored and the meaning still gets across the only thing that will change is that it will be f**king visible rather than showing as asterisks. I do think there would be a benefit in showing the first and last letters at the very least also in DM's... to not confuse 6 letter censored words for example.

when you are reading someones posts with a censored word it doesnt censor it in your mind whilst reading it right? so in my opinion its not going to actually make a difference censored or not. The only thing it will do is make a problem for karens to pick at.

Personally I don't really like seeing the word, it feels grubby and unintelligent. Immature, something young teenagers say. I don't like the idea of the social areas devolving into basically kids swearing at each other

I feel like F**k is more of a relaxed term too now, it doesn't have much severity and is also used more commonly as an exclamation too.

I think the filter is not implemented the most consistently. The big one being "retard". In a hypothetical where you've a kid, what will be more problematic, hearing your kid call someone a retard or telling them to f**k off?

Torn's culture is to call people it, Monarch have an entire sub for it, but its still the most bizarre word that's just allowed to slide. I'm not opposed to censoring swearing, but I think its stupid to censor f**k but not retard. If you're letting people rip that whenever they want, f**k should also be fine.

I see little value or benefit in only dropping the f bomb. Personally I think the entire filter should be dropped. Free speech and all that. But if we are going to pick and choose, then just leave it as is.

Sorry but I loathe this kind of argument, especially in the context here - you really want us to remove racial slurs and allow that level of hatred in Torn?

It's blindingly obvious when people say "free speech" in such context what you really mean is "hate speech" and no we won't allow that. 

Our goal here is to ascertain change based on the overall community vibe of recent posts, not let you say the N word because you feel Torn should allow any kind of hateful content.

On your point about the censor discouraging people being mean to each other... I disagree. People will still say horrid things to each other both on forums and global chat regardless of a censor. I am glad you guys are listening, and hope that f**k gets uncensored. 

It makes no sense to censor f**k but not various other slurs "because they aren't always used as a slur" (while almost always being used as slurs)

I'd be just as fine leaving f**k censored and censoring additional words as I am with uncensoring f**k. Actually I'd probably like that more if we can't have both.

I don't think we should be appealing or encouraging others to fly off the handle with insults, which if the filters were loosened would likely be the end result. 

for every funny joke or meme that would and could heighten the experience - you'll find 500 other instances of deranged people using it as generic insults

i saw a friend get censored because he posted a image of his favourite trade union mug.. that I thought was heavy handed. I think theres scope for humour to be not so heavily policed but vitriolic and general bad behaviour should be curtailed

that being said, i feel a lot of this is just a distraction from the two tier rule enforcement but thats another topic i guess

Very interesting putting words in my mouth. I did not say hate speech. I meant it at face value in terms of censorship over specific words. We should be allowed to use words without censorship in my opinion. The context in which words are used should be monitored, as they already are. If that's too much work, then just leave the filter alone. 

Which other words do you think should be ok to use that we currently filter?