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    Posted to on 02:56:00 - 16/08/14 (2 month ago)
    I found 11 items in one pass today. Wonder if it has to do with the fact that I haven't scanned the map in over a week?

    Oe nemfa tsam kä nėmun.
    Nemfa tora tėwem asėltsan a oe ayomum.
    Rey ulte terkup mė fėtrr.
    Rey ulte terkup mė fėtrr.

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    Posted to on 04:22:01 - 16/08/14 (2 month ago)
     

    Mauk [1494436]

     

    ReyDuvall [1526820]

     I don't like (didn't rate, though) your post because I *did* see the sarcasm. Right right, compare being unable to participate in a minor part of an online game to getting rid of ramps for handicapped people in real life. ffs.

    In hindsight I shouldn't have singled out your post-- what I especially didn't like is the fact that other people agreed with it.

    But I was intentionally deceptive in that analogy because you were also deceptive in your post. This isn't about scraping the entire feature, and you even decided to ignore the wasted merits angle, if it were to be left as-is without resolution.

    No one asked to scrap it. This is simply a bug. It's a feature that was working for them before and isn't anymore. Apparently they are working on it.

    I don't think that OP was able to find items since Respo, despite your claim to the contrary it's not a feature that worked before and doesn't anymore.

    She is addressing the change that was made to city finds with Respo, and she stated that she DOES want random city finds added back. Since she cannot use the current system, I don't blame her. Were I in her position I would want the old system back. I haven't used screen-readers before, maybe they can do something that is fair for her but not too easy, "building, building, building, building, falcon, building, building" but I can't imagine most of us consider that a priority with the mountain of updates we're waiting on.

    I'm free to address the points I choose to address, this isn't some silly debate class where I have to counter every argument yourself or others make. But if it matters, I didn't address the merits part because it is generally assumed there will probably be a merit reset, and I didn't feel the need to direct the thread to a discussion that has been had on these forums a dozen times. 

    Instead I addressed OP's main point. I know it's rare these days, but it isn't deceptive.

    Last edited by ReyDuvall on 04:53:28 - 16/08/14
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    Posted to on 04:22:28 - 16/08/14 (2 month ago)

    Raiyvin [1585789]

     

     Brilliant :-)

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    Posted to on 05:52:38 - 16/08/14 (2 month ago)
    Okay, I'll bite: Before RESPO she could find items. Since RESPO she can't anymore, because now it's implemented in a way that isn't compatible with screen readers. How is this not something that worked before and doesn't anymore?
     
    She mentioned the old random city finds as a suggestion, but her main point was "it's not working, is there a solution in the works?" If you don't blame her, you'd notice that.
     
    And of course you are free to address whatever you choose. Personally, I'd also leave leave out the part about scraping the whole system, as it's assumed to be insane and there were countless requests for that in the forum since launch.
     
    If you are not being deceptive, you are being pedant.
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    Posted to on 07:34:20 - 16/08/14 (2 month ago)
    Because it's a completely different system, the new system never worked for her. So it's not something that worked before. Clearly. 
     
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    Posted to on 07:51:49 - 16/08/14 (2 month ago)
     

    Mauk [1494436]

    And of course you are free to address whatever you choose. Personally, I'd also leave leave out the part about scraping the whole system

    Wow, you're still on about that, she answered right away, setting me straight on that, and I haven't mentioned scrapping since my initial question asking if that's what she meant. (Nor scraping)

    Last edited by ReyDuvall on 08:34:18 - 16/08/14
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    Posted to on 08:10:22 - 16/08/14 (2 month ago)
    Did not read the whole responses but I'd like to say if torn does not address this then they can get sued for discrimination and that's something every website must be careful of discrimination is a dangerous problem for all wemasters. 
    Wow another sig anyone 
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    Posted to on 08:38:08 - 16/08/14 (2 month ago)

    ReyDuvall [1526820]

    Because it's a completely different system, the new system never worked for her. So it's not something that worked before. Clearly.

    Oh, I'm so dumb. Sorry!

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    Posted to on 16:15:13 - 17/08/14 (2 month ago)
    city finds used to be random so of course it worked for her before .... thing is she can not see the map nor can her Reader !!!!
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    Posted to on 16:16:49 - 17/08/14 (2 month ago)

    Yeret [1859926]

    I found 11 items in one pass today. Wonder if it has to do with the fact that I haven't scanned the map in over a week?

     Yes it would be, Ched has stated that the items will build up almost continuously and that even if you search once a day or once a month you should find the same amount of items overall due to this.

    http://i.imgur.com/OswXCRU.png
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    Posted to on 20:56:10 - 17/08/14 (2 month ago)

    I-Am-biker-babe [540165]

    city finds used to be random so of course it worked for her before .... thing is she can not see the map nor can her Reader !!!!

    I think that the issue is fairly well understood already - the issue now is working out a solution. 

    The requested solution was to bring random city finds back, which I doubt will happen because many players without a vision impairment will end up switching over to that option.  

    The other option would be to make city map and the items spawning in it being made screen reader-friendly, but doing so may open up city finds to being scripted by players who would be happy to exploit such a feature.

    It's a tricky problem and I'm not sure that there's an easy solution to it.

     

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    Posted to on 21:06:09 - 17/08/14 (2 month ago)

    Butters [34298]

     

    I-Am-biker-babe [540165]

    city finds used to be random so of course it worked for her before .... thing is she can not see the map nor can her Reader !!!!

    I think that the issue is fairly well understood already - the issue now is working out a solution. 

    The requested solution was to bring random city finds back, which I doubt will happen because many players without a vision impairment will end up switching over to that option.  

    The other option would be to make city map and the items spawning in it being made screen reader-friendly, but doing so may open up city finds to being scripted by players who would be happy to exploit such a feature.

    It's a tricky problem and I'm not sure that there's an easy solution to it.

    For what it's worth, city finds are already 100% scriptable as-is.

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    Posted to on 02:49:34 - 18/08/14 (2 month ago)
    not for readers though !!!

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    Posted to on 07:35:05 - 19/08/14 (2 month ago)
     

    I-Am-biker-babe [540165]

    not for readers though !!!

     Of course it would be with very little work in fact. The information is already spawned there for the browser on page load, it's just a matter of making this information visible for the browser/Screen reader.

    3 Lines of JavaScript in a Userscript (Or browser extension for that matter) would be enough. Give a few lines of code to generate a list of them items with a clickable link, and done.

    Last edited by cyberdude on 07:37:08 - 19/08/14
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    Posted to on 14:35:37 - 19/08/14 (2 month ago)
    I'm not blind, but I do think game should be fair for all.  I'm wondering if having the items beep might work.  Seems to me finding with one sense is as good as another.
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    Posted to on 15:33:10 - 19/08/14 (2 month ago)

    alterviolet [1853402]

    I'm not blind, but I do think game should be fair for all.  I'm wondering if having the items beep might work.  Seems to me finding with one sense is as good as another.

     Great, why don't we make them have a distinct smell through our computer screens too and if that doesn't satisfy you maybe we can lick our monitors to taste the items.

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    Posted to on 15:50:57 - 19/08/14 (2 month ago)
    I'm not feeling it, RPG. lol
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    Posted to on 15:52:31 - 19/08/14 (2 month ago)

    alterviolet [1853402]

    I'm not feeling it, RPG. lol

     Damn xD