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xanax-whore
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Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 20:57:22
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By RatedR [72498]
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By JimmyJames [581165]
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People need to be realistic. The old system can't come back because in a year there will only be 50 factions left. Same with mug chains, getting hosped every 10-20 minutes means a shit ton of respect lost. |
wasnt a problem back then |
But it was, which is why it started changing... Remember peaceful status? |
that wasnt because of a lack of factions, that was because mass whining.
but since then, people have realize thatbwas exactly what warring should be |
No, actually it was because of the big factions zeroing smaller faction. Ched even posted the numbers that there were only (I think?) 800 warring factions left, thats why peacefull was introduced. |
yeah, i was lame enough to search for it 
| We wanted to give factions the choice… To be peaceful or aggressive, this however did not work. With 800 factions created, 4 of those chose to be aggressive. |
also felt the need to quote this for everyone
[quote]The issue we were faced with... what would happen in 6 months? All factions but one would inevitably end up peaceful, destroying the whole point of factions. It is supposed to be a dangerous world;[/quote
Last Edited: Tue Jan 29, 2013 20:59:11
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Masood
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Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 21:48:29
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By xanax-whore [1284243]
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Change it back to before and you will see more whining from IBB factions. |
fixed that for you.
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lol funny but kinda true
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Belwilliam
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Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 23:20:09
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Cadillac,
It seems like there have been enough suggestions / tweaks made or supported by you to move forward with tweaks.
1) Raise warbase limit to 500 (attack + defend)
2) Increase "inactivity" period to a min of 72 hours (weekend friendly) and / or inactivity periods based on faction rank ranges
3) Ideally, do something about the NAP's (shorter or no NAP for auto-ends)
Also, preferably have a cutoff control % (like 90%+) where either the war cannot auto-end or the inactivity time is doubled. Also, I'd like to see at least traveling faction members not counted for min hits. So, 4 member faction, all traveling, you need:
(4 members - 4 traveling) / 2 = 0 / 2 = 0 hits to keep the war active. Traveling should be a way to avoid constant white screens...it should not be a way to end a war. To fix the exploit for adding members just before 06:49 (or whatever the magic time is) to end the war...only update min required hits at 00:00. Gives an attacker 6 hours to respond if a defender adds a bunch of members.
Make at least the first 2 changes above and the system might be at least tolerable.
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Eve_L_Vixxen
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Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2013 23:25:50
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A single man faction declared on us a number of weeks ago and I'm 99% sure there have been no attacks on him for two days...yet still the wars it's there...active. His attacks on us have been 0 the whole time.
Have they already changed the 24 hour rule? I assumed we would have to do one a day for it to stay active - but perhaps it's one every two days in this case
Last Edited: Tue Jan 29, 2013 23:27:33
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Ekko
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Posted on Wed Jan 30, 2013 01:16:19
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By Eve_L_Vixxen [867677]
A single man faction declared on us a number of weeks ago and I'm 99% sure there have been no attacks on him for two days...yet still the wars it's there...active. His attacks on us have been 0 the whole time.
Have they already changed the 24 hour rule? I assumed we would have to do one a day for it to stay active - but perhaps it's one every two days in this case |
Perhaps the code counts half of one as zero?
Or alternatively, since you'd only need one attack to keep it going, perhaps you've accumulated enough attacks to buy several extra days?
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xanax-whore
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Posted on Wed Jan 30, 2013 04:02:42
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By Masood [1633346]
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Change it back to before and you will see more whining from IBB factions. |
fixed that for you.
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lol funny but kinda true |
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Eve_L_Vixxen
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Posted on Wed Jan 30, 2013 04:28:02
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By Ekko [1621978]
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A single man faction declared on us a number of weeks ago and I'm 99% sure there have been no attacks on him for two days...yet still the wars it's there...active. His attacks on us have been 0 the whole time.
Have they already changed the 24 hour rule? I assumed we would have to do one a day for it to stay active - but perhaps it's one every two days in this case |
Perhaps the code counts half of one as zero?
Or alternatively, since you'd only need one attack to keep it going, perhaps you've accumulated enough attacks to buy several extra days? |
*nod* i wondered if that might have been the case, especially as we don't know when the changes were implemented exactly. Everyone just woke up to wars ending for no apparent reason
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Posted on Wed Jan 30, 2013 17:53:31
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Shit! Cant find a "very bad idea" option in your poll.
So i chose BAD IDEA.
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Posted on Wed Jan 30, 2013 20:45:56
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- Ranked wars now provide a respect boost of x1.5 instead of x2.
the ranked wars being + or - 25 is what needs to be changed for factions to tend to move up.
Change them to +45 and -5 and factions will have to fight up to get the good bonuses.
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Robb_Stark
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Posted on Wed Jan 30, 2013 22:41:40
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By Robb_Stark [1075937]
im gonna post another thing its called respect inflation im use IBB for example so they make respect from actually fighting a faction that fights back so profit in respect one way then the claim bonus
at the moment if you look in IBB war base they have least 12-15k respect bonus claim coming to them plus on top of the faction bonuses they made during the wars
how the f**k can ched not see this as STUPID respect is like money shouldnt be able to make it easy as piss |
37k they have made in wars and claim bonuses since i posted this first comment WOW CHED JUST WOW RESPECT INFLATION IS OUT OF CONTROL
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Posted on Wed Jan 30, 2013 23:17:54
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By peteo66 [382485]
- Ranked wars now provide a respect boost of x1.5 instead of x2.
the ranked wars being + or - 25 is what needs to be changed for factions to tend to move up.
Change them to +45 and -5 and factions will have to fight up to get the good bonuses. |
You can't declare down for rank, so the -5 makes no sense
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Spurtung
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Posted on Thu Jan 31, 2013 00:00:39
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By peteo66 [382485]
- Ranked wars now provide a respect boost of x1.5 instead of x2.
the ranked wars being + or - 25 is what needs to be changed for factions to tend to move up.
Change them to +45 and -5 and factions will have to fight up to get the good bonuses. |
lol, I wish we could have -25 rank wars...
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Posted on Thu Jan 31, 2013 01:40:28
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Who want to war me? Im armed with a hotdog! Its better then this current faction debacle, winner gets a free hummer
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Guvie00
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Posted on Thu Jan 31, 2013 06:47:34
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My factions had an inactive war for over 72hra and its not failed yet...
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PolarBear
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Posted on Thu Jan 31, 2013 08:40:23
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By Belwilliam [79148]
Cadillac,
It seems like there have been enough suggestions / tweaks made or supported by you to move forward with tweaks.
1) Raise warbase limit to 500 (attack + defend)
2) Increase "inactivity" period to a min of 72 hours (weekend friendly) and / or inactivity periods based on faction rank ranges
3) Ideally, do something about the NAP's (shorter or no NAP for auto-ends)
Also, preferably have a cutoff control % (like 90%+) where either the war cannot auto-end or the inactivity time is doubled. Also, I'd like to see at least traveling faction members not counted for min hits. So, 4 member faction, all traveling, you need:
(4 members - 4 traveling) / 2 = 0 / 2 = 0 hits to keep the war active. Traveling should be a way to avoid constant white screens...it should not be a way to end a war. To fix the exploit for adding members just before 06:49 (or whatever the magic time is) to end the war...only update min required hits at 00:00. Gives an attacker 6 hours to respond if a defender adds a bunch of members.
Make at least the first 2 changes above and the system might be at least tolerable. |
this really like the idea.
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A_Cucking_Funt
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Posted on Thu Jan 31, 2013 15:55:55
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By xanax-whore [1284243]
By Masood [1633346]
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Change it back to before and you will see more whining from IBB factions. |
fixed that for you.
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lol funny but kinda true |
;) |
We'd have nothing to whine about? So i don't see your point
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My_Dying_Bride
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Posted on Thu Jan 31, 2013 16:22:23
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I read some posts in few pages... and regarding the update with new algorithm and some changes, staff or owner or helper or community whoever was changing it.. seriously have some problems in their mental ability I guess..
Just my opinion:
They called respect farming was the issue and examples went on to IBB as the leaders to exploit.. and then making a new system.. but dont even actually know themselves that they will ever stop respect farming..
I just think that unless ranking system is the current one no matter what is the size of warbase 1000 or 500 or 300 or even 100 it will just be respect farming...
And why blame some faction for farming respect if the system puts 25 soo sooo weak factions on top of their rank and 25 soo sooo weak factions on bottom of them?
If the ranking system was good enough and IBB and Merc and some other powerful faction just were in top 50 ranks (they are actually even good enough for even more high rank) then the word respect farming wouldn't come in torn dictionary..
And I see voting members saying something on energy cap.. what an excuse I say for that.. its a good reason saying the war will be hard to win just by advantage of tons of energy stacked..
So, how could they suggest with 1000 energy cap? Its just like saying ooops you attacking 100 alone.. dont do that baby.. just hit 40.. whats the logic behind that? If its something to make fair then why couldnt they think of just removing multiple stacking.... energy wont exceed more than 350 for non donor and 400 for donor.. (excluding the stock benefits also non stackable multiple times)
And Auto NAP is at 6:29:04.. how is it logical with 24 hr hit on 50 % of the member...
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Spurtung
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Posted on Thu Jan 31, 2013 18:13:39
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By TGA_DeViL [1265909]
By xanax-whore [1284243]
By Masood [1633346]
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By DB_farid [1398886]
Change it back to before and you will see more whining from IBB factions. |
fixed that for you.
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lol funny but kinda true |
;) |
We'd have nothing to whine about? So i don't see your point
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about the original war system? sure, keep telling yourself that
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Spurtung
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Posted on Thu Jan 31, 2013 18:28:27
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By My_Dying_Bride [1573104]
I read some posts in few pages... and regarding the update with new algorithm and some changes, staff or owner or helper or community whoever was changing it.. seriously have some problems in their mental ability I guess..
Just my opinion:
They called respect farming was the issue and examples went on to IBB as the leaders to exploit.. and then making a new system.. but dont even actually know themselves that they will ever stop respect farming..
I just think that unless ranking system is the current one no matter what is the size of warbase 1000 or 500 or 300 or even 100 it will just be respect farming...
And why blame some faction for farming respect if the system puts 25 soo sooo weak factions on top of their rank and 25 soo sooo weak factions on bottom of them?
If the ranking system was good enough and IBB and Merc and some other powerful faction just were in top 50 ranks (they are actually even good enough for even more high rank) then the word respect farming wouldn't come in torn dictionary..
And I see voting members saying something on energy cap.. what an excuse I say for that.. its a good reason saying the war will be hard to win just by advantage of tons of energy stacked..
So, how could they suggest with 1000 energy cap? Its just like saying ooops you attacking 100 alone.. dont do that baby.. just hit 40.. whats the logic behind that? If its something to make fair then why couldnt they think of just removing multiple stacking.... energy wont exceed more than 350 for non donor and 400 for donor.. (excluding the stock benefits also non stackable multiple times)
And Auto NAP is at 6:29:04.. how is it logical with 24 hr hit on 50 % of the member... |
you're missing the point about IBB's rank wars, and rank wars in general.
it's meant to be used to gain ranks, but this is what happens:
faction A, ranked 300 declares on faction B, ranked 299. it's, obviously, a ranked war.
but faction B has other wars and their rank can change during the course of A-B's war.
this can not only drive factions away from each other for more than 25 ranks (which should immediately cancel that as a ranked war) but also make that faction A can end up in a lower rank than it originally had.
all this can easily be manipulated by not claiming wars at the moment they are won (another fail of the system, that should do this automatically), but instead waiting for the last claim to be done on the faction on the lower rank.
on top of all this, faction upgrades are working, regardless of rank, which pretty much kills the point of the whole ranking system.
ranking system was done arbitrarily, without accounting anything but factions' total available respect at the time of being implemented, under the pretense that everyone would strive for a better rank. in the moment it was seen that it was failing, nothing was done.
and now, you got a HoF filled with factions that took years to get their upgrades, and are stuck, unable to have many ranked wars, while others have only ranked wars at all times with no intention of ever ranking up for good, while claiming it was a choice they made in detriment of 'fame and glory' or whatever bullshit they say. simply because not everyone had a choice to begin with, and rank system was flawed at birth.
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A_Cucking_Funt
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Posted on Thu Jan 31, 2013 19:17:21
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By Spurtung [96875]
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Change it back to before and you will see more whining from IBB factions. |
fixed that for you.
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lol funny but kinda true |
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We'd have nothing to whine about? So i don't see your point
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about the original war system? sure, keep telling yourself that |
Well I was assuming it was about the recent changes as that is what the thread is about. I know very little about the original war system so i wouldn't be talking about that.
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JimmyJames
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Posted on Thu Jan 31, 2013 19:37:50
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I've yet to see anyone explain what was wrong with the 7 day time out... Or why the 500 target limit is still 300.
Meanwhile though, IBB has gained almost 100k respect since this "update".
Last Edited: Thu Jan 31, 2013 19:38:25
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Spurtung
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Posted on Thu Jan 31, 2013 20:10:18
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By JimmyJames [581165]
Meanwhile though, IBB has gained almost 100k respect since this "update". |
I remember people having their level set at 100 because a cap was decided over the knee, while others lost levels because they abused exp gains through defends.
so yes, IBB should see a few cuts as well.
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Rick_Diculous
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Posted on Thu Jan 31, 2013 20:17:38
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Ched is running out of things to nerf. Hilarious that it hasn't even slowed IBB down but has made almost everybody who really wars to stop altogether
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http://www.torn.com/forums.php?forumID=4&ID=14168814
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xanax-whore
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Posted on Thu Jan 31, 2013 20:22:12
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By TGA_DeViL [1265909]
By xanax-whore [1284243]
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Change it back to before and you will see more whining from IBB factions. |
fixed that for you.
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lol funny but kinda true |
;) |
We'd have nothing to whine about? So i don't see your point
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lul
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A_Cucking_Funt
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Posted on Thu Jan 31, 2013 20:32:45
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By xanax-whore [1284243]
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By Masood [1633346]
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By DB_farid [1398886]
Change it back to before and you will see more whining from IBB factions. |
fixed that for you.
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lol funny but kinda true |
;) |
We'd have nothing to whine about? So i don't see your point
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lul
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So you think changing it back to when respect gains were higher from ranked wars, causing silly amounts of respect gained from farming, will make factions like IBB whine? You make no sense...
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Posted on Thu Jan 31, 2013 20:42:00
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By Masood [1633346]
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By DB_farid [1398886]
Change it back to before and you will see more whining from IBB factions. |
fixed that for you.
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lol funny but kinda true |
;) |
We'd have nothing to whine about? So i don't see your point
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lul
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So you think changing it back to when respect gains were higher from ranked wars, causing silly amounts of respect gained from farming, will make factions like IBB whine? You make no sense... |
No Ched should make factions be able to be destroyed again, at least that would make IBB members stop acting like their shit doesnt stink
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Dawn
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Posted on Thu Jan 31, 2013 21:33:57
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By TGA_DeViL [1265909]
By xanax-whore [1284243]
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By xanax-whore [1284243]
By Masood [1633346]
By xanax-whore [1284243]
By DB_farid [1398886]
Change it back to before and you will see more whining from IBB factions. |
fixed that for you.
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lol funny but kinda true |
;) |
We'd have nothing to whine about? So i don't see your point
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lul
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So you think changing it back to when respect gains were higher from ranked wars, causing silly amounts of respect gained from farming, will make factions like IBB whine? You make no sense... |
No, Ched should fix it so you can't have people fighting ranked wars with people 200 ranks below you.
As soon as you move out of those 25 ranks, wars should become unranked.
Why he hasn't done something about this when the farming is still rampant is beyond me.
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Belwilliam
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Posted on Thu Jan 31, 2013 21:48:39
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By Rick_Diculous [984129]
Ched is running out of things to nerf. Hilarious that it hasn't even slowed IBB down but has made almost everybody who really wars to stop altogether |
exactly..obviously the nerf was a failed attempt at stopping farming.
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Spurtung
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Posted on Thu Jan 31, 2013 22:18:00
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By Belwilliam [79148]
By Rick_Diculous [984129]
Ched is running out of things to nerf. Hilarious that it hasn't even slowed IBB down but has made almost everybody who really wars to stop altogether |
exactly..obviously the nerf was a failed attempt at stopping farming. |
kind like when he nerfed self busting for half gains, unable to realize percentages don't give a f**k about that.
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Posted on Thu Jan 31, 2013 22:31:09
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By Spurtung [96875]
By Belwilliam [79148]
By Rick_Diculous [984129]
Ched is running out of things to nerf. Hilarious that it hasn't even slowed IBB down but has made almost everybody who really wars to stop altogether |
exactly..obviously the nerf was a failed attempt at stopping farming. |
kind like when he nerfed self busting for half gains, unable to realize percentages don't give a f**k about that. |
yeah i think the to sail has set on faction specials and respect farming its to late....action had to be taken when ME and FEW others actually posted about this now we are at the point i said we would be at
easiest way to fix the war system is dog eat dog and respect gained 1 respect lost 1 will cut respect farming and make factions fight back or be destroyed
course can work around being destroyed by picking ya fights but also add in max of 5 factions can be declared on
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