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Posted on Sat Dec 01, 2012 12:40:00
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By Rick_Diculous [984129]
Stacking e is one thing that is ruining these big wars. |
Agreed.
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Nova
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Posted on Sat Dec 01, 2012 19:08:46
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Jeez Sa got there buts wipped.
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Posted on Sun Dec 02, 2012 00:22:11
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By Nova [1570883]
Jeez Sa got there buts wipped. |
then they shouldn't have woken the sleeping giant there is a lesson to be learned here people
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Posted on Sun Dec 02, 2012 01:44:40
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By THEGR81 [1200775]
then they shouldn't have woken the sleeping giant there is a lesson to be learned here people |
Please no sleeping giant .. brings back memories of JV and Secksy eagles.
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Posted on Sun Dec 02, 2012 02:10:46
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By sophie [992219]
crying? charger must be so proud of you and your insightful/retarded comments |
WTF does Charger have to do with my posts? I guess your comment was too insightful for me to understand. You guys were making excuses before the war even started, SA were acting like they already won the war before it started
JFK are hands down the best faction but good god are you guys ever wound up tight sometimes, relax.... My post wasnt even meant to be a slight against either you or SA, I was merely making an observation
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Posted on Sun Dec 02, 2012 02:43:37
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By Rick_Diculous [984129]
My post wasnt even meant to be a slight against either you or SA, I was merely making an observation |
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Posted on Sun Dec 02, 2012 03:00:21
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Well what is not to love? And just for the record (as you know Z)I have played a few rounds with JFK in FE, I am married (and helped more then I could have ever asked) to a JFK member in another game, and I actually went to Z before going to 007 to try and get in for the war (and no I did not join SA merely because I felt slighted lol) I went to SA so obviously have nothing against them either.
If anyone is to be made fun of this war it is me. JFK proved their might, SA showed courage fighting the best faction in the game with no terms....I sat in the hosp the whole time with stacked e by myself on IRC lol (was mail banned and couldnt get on chat)
Sorry if you took my post personal Sophie....If you guys werent fully crying you for sure had tears in your eyes
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Posted on Sun Dec 02, 2012 07:58:02
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By THEGR81 [1200775]
By Nova [1570883]
Jeez Sa got there buts wipped. |
then they shouldn't have woken the sleeping giant there is a lesson to be learned here people |
I thought you guys like challenges?
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Posted on Sun Dec 02, 2012 08:13:03
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By Nova [1570883]
Jeez Sa got there buts wipped. |
then they shouldn't have woken the sleeping giant there is a lesson to be learned here people |
I thought you guys like challenges?
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Lol jfk don know what they want,
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Posted on Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:51:40
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By sophie [992219]
crying? charger must be so proud of you and your insightful/retarded comments |
WTF does Charger have to do with my posts? I guess your comment was too insightful for me to understand. You guys were making excuses before the war even started, SA were acting like they already won the war before it started
JFK are hands down the best faction but good god are you guys ever wound up tight sometimes, relax.... My post wasnt even meant to be a slight against either you or SA, I was merely making an observation |
youre supposed to represnt youre faction in the forums. factions are serious business. 
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Posted on Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:57:14
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Just wondering why JFK haven't claimed the victory over SA. |
that would be something 007 needs to mail z and nota about himself and doesnt really belong here
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Another flaw in a poor war system |
Flaw? So is that why you held all those other factions in your warbase for a very long time? |
We had a deal with them. All were happy appart from one faction that had a very abusive leader so we didn't claim straight away. The flaw is that there are not enough targets for us and that a war can never end if the winner doesn't claim. |
Being one of the Factions that has a deal with SA I can confirm that it is one that works good for both parts.
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Posted on Sun Dec 02, 2012 13:55:55
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then they shouldn't have woken the sleeping giant there is a lesson to be learned here people |
Please no sleeping giant .. brings back memories of JV and Secksy eagles. |
who are they?
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Posted on Sun Dec 02, 2012 21:36:59
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By Nova [1570883]
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By THEGR81 [1200775]
then they shouldn't have woken the sleeping giant there is a lesson to be learned here people |
Please no sleeping giant .. brings back memories of JV and Secksy eagles. |
who are they? |
You're joking right?
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Posted on Sun Dec 02, 2012 21:47:10
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then they shouldn't have woken the sleeping giant there is a lesson to be learned here people |
Please no sleeping giant .. brings back memories of JV and Secksy eagles. |
who are they? |
You're joking right? |
Is before his time and there is lack of history telling in this game so why would he know ?
Maybe some older players should make blogs on all the old things that use to happen around here
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Posted on Sun Dec 02, 2012 22:37:18
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then they shouldn't have woken the sleeping giant there is a lesson to be learned here people |
Please no sleeping giant .. brings back memories of JV and Secksy eagles. |
who are they? |
You're joking right? |
Is before his time and there is lack of history telling in this game so why would he know ?
Maybe some older players should make blogs on all the old things that use to happen around here
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There is that thread in GD, it'd be nice to have more though!
Secksy Strike Eagles (Didn't they change to bunnies at one point?) were one of the HoF factions a while back. Don't know too much beyond that, I never thought they were right at the top though?
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Posted on Mon Dec 03, 2012 18:35:28
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By Hobbie [443763]
There is that thread in GD, it'd be nice to have more though!
Secksy Strike Eagles (Didn't they change to bunnies at one point?) were one of the HoF factions a while back. Don't know too much beyond that, I never thought they were right at the top though?
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Basically they were a faction in the old days that had massive stat players but never chained. Then one day they got into some wars and JV (the leader at that time) posted a thread called "The sleeping giant awakens" basically threatening how they're gonna start chaining and own everyone. Not long after that HT (in their prime then) declared on them and dismantled them completely in like 2 or 3 days. Those were the days when you could actually take respect from a faction.
As a result Eagles faction fell apart, 90% of members left and the few remaining changed the name to Fluffy Bunnies or something like that.
So yeah, no "Sleeping giant" for JFK please .. last I checked we were far from being asleep. Just taking a nap on occasion
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Posted on Mon Dec 03, 2012 18:37:27
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Oh and on topic, war SA/JFK is officially over now. I hope we managed to shed some light on one of many exploits of the current war engine and again I dont expect it to be fixed - I just hope we see a new engine rolled out asap.
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Posted on Mon Dec 03, 2012 18:55:17
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Oh and on topic, war SA/JFK is officially over now. I hope we managed to shed some light on one of many exploits of the current war engine and again I dont expect it to be fixed - I just hope we see a new engine rolled out asap. |
Yeah something needs to change I liked it when wars lasted a couple weeks, this 5-6 hour wars are completely BS. Termed wars in general I have always hated but in this system thats all you can do if you want to have some type of war. I liked it when you could cripple a faction, with the current system you could declare on a faction and they dont have to fight back because they wont loss any respect.
Hell you can drop 4-5 DB's on faction and they will survive because of the under 100 rule, so stupid.
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Posted on Tue Dec 04, 2012 18:46:38
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Oh and on topic, war SA/JFK is officially over now. I hope we managed to shed some light on one of many exploits of the current war engine and again I dont expect it to be fixed - I just hope we see a new engine rolled out asap. |
Yeah something needs to change I liked it when wars lasted a couple weeks, this 5-6 hour wars are completely BS. Termed wars in general I have always hated but in this system thats all you can do if you want to have some type of war. I liked it when you could cripple a faction, with the current system you could declare on a faction and they dont have to fight back because they wont loss any respect.
Hell you can drop 4-5 DB's on faction and they will survive because of the under 100 rule, so stupid. |
I agree that the war engine badly needs updating.
However, I don't agree that one player who has loads of cash should be allowed to destroy a faction, something that lots of members have put time and effort into. Don't get me wrong, I would like to see factions lose respect or be 'zeroed' from chaining (or lack of chaining/fighting back), but not from Dirty Bombs where one person with lots cash can destroy everything you've worked hard for.
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Posted on Tue Dec 04, 2012 23:03:31
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I agree with 007, the recent madness with xerxes is a good example. The guy doesnt even play the game but could have destroyed pretty much any faction if he dropped all his bombs on them? That isnt right
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Posted on Wed Dec 05, 2012 04:11:43
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By Rick_Diculous [984129]
I agree with 007, the recent madness with xerxes is a good example. The guy doesnt even play the game but could have destroyed pretty much any faction if he dropped all his bombs on them? That isnt right |
I think the opposite. I think he plays the hell out of the game. To be in a position to drop multiple DBs is an impressive achievement most of us will never accomplish.
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Posted on Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:58:59
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Oh and on topic, war SA/JFK is officially over now. I hope we managed to shed some light on one of many exploits of the current war engine and again I dont expect it to be fixed - I just hope we see a new engine rolled out asap. |
Yeah something needs to change I liked it when wars lasted a couple weeks, this 5-6 hour wars are completely BS. Termed wars in general I have always hated but in this system thats all you can do if you want to have some type of war. I liked it when you could cripple a faction, with the current system you could declare on a faction and they dont have to fight back because they wont loss any respect.
Hell you can drop 4-5 DB's on faction and they will survive because of the under 100 rule, so stupid. |
I agree that the war engine badly needs updating.
However, I don't agree that one player who has loads of cash should be allowed to destroy a faction, something that lots of members have put time and effort into. Don't get me wrong, I would like to see factions lose respect or be 'zeroed' from chaining (or lack of chaining/fighting back), but not from Dirty Bombs where one person with lots cash can destroy everything you've worked hard for. |
So an individual with billions should not be allowed to zero factions.
But a factions with billions that can use money to hire guest chainers, feed their members with points and drugs should be able to?
Bullshit.
It is this mentality of big factions that pissed off the smaller factions and led to the current changes.
Smaller factions need a way to fight back against the bullying the big factions do. And if a DB is the way then let it wipe out factions as easily as factions can wipe out other factions.
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Posted on Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:56:57
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By Z_junior [247674]
Oh and on topic, war SA/JFK is officially over now. I hope we managed to shed some light on one of many exploits of the current war engine and again I dont expect it to be fixed - I just hope we see a new engine rolled out asap. |
Yeah something needs to change I liked it when wars lasted a couple weeks, this 5-6 hour wars are completely BS. Termed wars in general I have always hated but in this system thats all you can do if you want to have some type of war. I liked it when you could cripple a faction, with the current system you could declare on a faction and they dont have to fight back because they wont loss any respect.
Hell you can drop 4-5 DB's on faction and they will survive because of the under 100 rule, so stupid. |
I agree that the war engine badly needs updating.
However, I don't agree that one player who has loads of cash should be allowed to destroy a faction, something that lots of members have put time and effort into. Don't get me wrong, I would like to see factions lose respect or be 'zeroed' from chaining (or lack of chaining/fighting back), but not from Dirty Bombs where one person with lots cash can destroy everything you've worked hard for. |
So an individual with billions should not be allowed to zero factions.
But a factions with billions that can use money to hire guest chainers, feed their members with points and drugs should be able to?
Bullshit.
It is this mentality of big factions that pissed off the smaller factions and led to the current changes.
Smaller factions need a way to fight back against the bullying the big factions do. And if a DB is the way then let it wipe out factions as easily as factions can wipe out other factions.
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There are not many smaller factions with DB's. DB's are not a viable strategy to fight back against big factions. Here at SA we are not a rich faction. We use our own cash and enrgy to chain as a group, which any other faction could also do. Therefore if another faction doesn't fight then they should lose respect.
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Posted on Wed Dec 05, 2012 13:03:55
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So I take it we will see you for round 4 in another month?
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Posted on Wed Dec 05, 2012 13:09:29
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SA is probably better resourced then 90% of factions.
Lets add to this big factions attract big name guest chainers.
Everything in favour of big factions.
Yet the one thing that might go against them Dirty Bombs, and you want protection against them.
If as a faction you piss off someone with the resources to get DB's and use them, then you should be vulnerable to them no matter who you are.
Hell if someone in a small faction pissed you off, most large factions would happily declare and wipe the faction if they could! (history proves this point)
DB's are the most expensive and should be the most destructive of items.
Yes they should be able to wipe out factions. Personally I believe they should do more damage and it should be easier to wipe factions with them not harder. Who cares if big factions get wiped as a result. Simple solution they start again or sulk and quit.
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Posted on Wed Dec 05, 2012 13:15:01
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By _Cynic_ [206537]
SA is probably better resourced then 90% of factions.
Lets add to this big factions attract big name guest chainers.
Everything in favour of big factions.
Yet the one thing that might go against them Dirty Bombs, and you want protection against them.
If as a faction you piss off someone with the resources to get DB's and use them, then you should be vulnerable to them no matter who you are.
Hell if someone in a small faction pissed you off, most large factions would happily declare and wipe the faction if they could! (history proves this point)
DB's are the most expensive and should be the most destructive of items.
Yes they should be able to wipe out factions. Personally I believe they should do more damage and it should be easier to wipe factions with them not harder. Who cares if big factions get wiped as a result. Simple solution they start again or sulk and quit.
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Posted on Wed Dec 05, 2012 15:41:50
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By _Cynic_ [206537]
DB's are the most expensive and should be the most destructive of items.
Yes they should be able to wipe out factions. Personally I believe they should do more damage and it should be easier to wipe factions with them not harder. Who cares if big factions get wiped as a result. Simple solution they start again or sulk and quit.
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I dont think they should wipe a faction with 500k respect out. They should however dip into their upgrade instead of minimal loss when faction is down to 0. Basically say you bomb a faction with 100 respect and Steadfast X, Steadfast is sold, faction gets 100k respect then deduct bomb damage from that.
Thats realistic, safer for those that invested lots of time and work into their factions and still way better for DB droppers than current engine is.
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Posted on Wed Dec 05, 2012 17:00:18
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By Z_junior [247674]
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DB's are the most expensive and should be the most destructive of items.
Yes they should be able to wipe out factions. Personally I believe they should do more damage and it should be easier to wipe factions with them not harder. Who cares if big factions get wiped as a result. Simple solution they start again or sulk and quit.
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I dont think they should wipe a faction with 500k respect out. They should however dip into their upgrade instead of minimal loss when faction is down to 0. Basically say you bomb a faction with 100 respect and Steadfast X, Steadfast is sold, faction gets 100k respect then deduct bomb damage from that.
Thats realistic, safer for those that invested lots of time and work into their factions and still way better for DB droppers than current engine is.
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Agree 500K is a stupid amount, but should be more then right now. Also perhaps make the building and number of members a factor in the amount taken rather then the respect when hit!
I do like that idea of specials being downgraded by the system in the event of bombs etc.
Personally I have always felt there should also be a constant monetary cost for the steadfasts (a bit like the rent on properties) and when you cant afford a special it downgrades.
And when downgraded you get back 75% of what was needed to upgrade. So if steadfast X was 100K respect, when it downgrades to IX you only get back 75000 respect.
That would also stop the current trend of when a DB is set off factions rushing to use up steadfast incase it is them hit, as so to minimise damage.
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Posted on Wed Dec 05, 2012 17:30:45
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By _Cynic_ [206537]
DB's are the most expensive and should be the most destructive of items.
Yes they should be able to wipe out factions. Personally I believe they should do more damage and it should be easier to wipe factions with them not harder. Who cares if big factions get wiped as a result. Simple solution they start again or sulk and quit.
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I dont think they should wipe a faction with 500k respect out. They should however dip into their upgrade instead of minimal loss when faction is down to 0. Basically say you bomb a faction with 100 respect and Steadfast X, Steadfast is sold, faction gets 100k respect then deduct bomb damage from that.
Thats realistic, safer for those that invested lots of time and work into their factions and still way better for DB droppers than current engine is.
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Agree 500K is a stupid amount, but should be more then right now. Also perhaps make the building and number of members a factor in the amount taken rather then the respect when hit!
I do like that idea of specials being downgraded by the system in the event of bombs etc.
Personally I have always felt there should also be a constant monetary cost for the steadfasts (a bit like the rent on properties) and when you cant afford a special it downgrades.
And when downgraded you get back 75% of what was needed to upgrade. So if steadfast X was 100K respect, when it downgrades to IX you only get back 75000 respect.
That would also stop the current trend of when a DB is set off factions rushing to use up steadfast incase it is them hit, as so to minimise damage.
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Posted on Wed Dec 05, 2012 23:58:12
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I agree with 007, the recent madness with xerxes is a good example. The guy doesnt even play the game but could have destroyed pretty much any faction if he dropped all his bombs on them? That isnt right |
I think the opposite. I think he plays the hell out of the game. To be in a position to drop multiple DBs is an impressive achievement most of us will never accomplish.
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xerxes logs on a couple times a month, and my guess he has much more cash then mischeivio or whatever his name is. You honestly think it would be fair for him to destroy JFK, or 39th or any other faction that 100s of people helped create over the years just for the lulz?
Dirty bombs without a doubt need to be changed due to their cost but giving one person the ability to destroy 100s of peoples hard work put in over many years in just a few hours cant be right. Sure it is an accomplishment most of us will never accomplish but that is simply because we cant use the old stock market that pumped trillions into the economy
A dirty bomb should do serious, long term damage to the faction hit but I dont think it should wipe out factions. I like the idea of affecting specials, maybe even go further and not allow that faction into the gym until they "rebuild" their respect
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