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Posted on Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:18:22
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maybe the EDL just gave him a little push and made him commit the act? same thing is happening in Greece with the golden dawn party, as they are increasing racial attacks on people who are not Greek


As I said, the 'act' was part of his pre-existing political ideology, and had been in planning for about a decade, if anything he was more likely to have influenced the EDL.

The EDL can't currently organise or influence anything more complicated than a march of some p*ssed up racists along a few streets. Even then, half of the time it turns into a farce.

They're currently drawing on the old BNP football hooligan crowd for strength, and that includes the leadership. There are no real political brains behind the outfit, as yet.


True but if they link up with other crazy minded people such as the JDL which are a terrorist group as the FBI declared them then you would have problems, Also the cost the UK tax payers millions when they decide to have a so called demo

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Posted on Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:26:18
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True but if they link up with other crazy minded people such as the JDL which are a terrorist group as the FBI declared them then you would have problems, Also the cost the UK tax payers millions when they decide to have a so called demo


To be fair, I think the FBI have called the Hell's Angels a terrorist organisation, they get quite uppity. Also, the JDL have been an irrelevance for years. They're a mouthy, but spent, force.

The cost of covering demos is the price of Democracy. They might have deeply unpleasant views, but as long as they're operating within the law, they're allowed.



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Posted on Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:28:29
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maybe the EDL just gave him a little push and made him commit the act? same thing is happening in Greece with the golden dawn party, as they are increasing racial attacks on people who are not Greek


As I said, the 'act' was part of his pre-existing political ideology, and had been in planning for about a decade, if anything he was more likely to have influenced the EDL.

The EDL can't currently organise or influence anything more complicated than a march of some p*ssed up racists along a few streets. Even then, half of the time it turns into a farce.

They're currently drawing on the old BNP football hooligan crowd for strength, and that includes the leadership. There are no real political brains behind the outfit, as yet.


True but if they link up with other crazy minded people such as the JDL which are a terrorist group as the FBI declared them then you would have problems, Also the cost the UK tax payers millions when they decide to have a so called demo


Peanuts compared to the cost of dealing with Captain Hook.

Less whining,and more focus on absolute loyalty to HM the Queen, God bless her.

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Posted on Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:55:10
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True but if they link up with other crazy minded people such as the JDL which are a terrorist group as the FBI declared them then you would have problems, Also the cost the UK tax payers millions when they decide to have a so called demo


To be fair, I think the FBI have called the Hell's Angels a terrorist organisation, they get quite uppity. Also, the JDL have been an irrelevance for years. They're a mouthy, but spent, force.

The cost of covering demos is the price of Democracy. They might have deeply unpleasant views, but as long as they're operating within the law, they're allowed.



the arrest rate for their demos are high

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Posted on Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:57:08
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True but if they link up with other crazy minded people such as the JDL which are a terrorist group as the FBI declared them then you would have problems, Also the cost the UK tax payers millions when they decide to have a so called demo


To be fair, I think the FBI have called the Hell's Angels a terrorist organisation, they get quite uppity. Also, the JDL have been an irrelevance for years. They're a mouthy, but spent, force.

The cost of covering demos is the price of Democracy. They might have deeply unpleasant views, but as long as they're operating within the law, they're allowed.



the arrest rate for their demos are high


The same could also be said for Al-Muhajiroun.


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Posted on Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:05:14
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True but if they link up with other crazy minded people such as the JDL which are a terrorist group as the FBI declared them then you would have problems, Also the cost the UK tax payers millions when they decide to have a so called demo


To be fair, I think the FBI have called the Hell's Angels a terrorist organisation, they get quite uppity. Also, the JDL have been an irrelevance for years. They're a mouthy, but spent, force.

The cost of covering demos is the price of Democracy. They might have deeply unpleasant views, but as long as they're operating within the law, they're allowed.



the arrest rate for their demos are high


The same could also be said for Al-Muhajiroun.


Salafi-Wahabi terrorist organisation that was based in Britain, shame the EDL cannot be banned just like them

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Posted on Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:10:27
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True but if they link up with other crazy minded people such as the JDL which are a terrorist group as the FBI declared them then you would have problems, Also the cost the UK tax payers millions when they decide to have a so called demo


To be fair, I think the FBI have called the Hell's Angels a terrorist organisation, they get quite uppity. Also, the JDL have been an irrelevance for years. They're a mouthy, but spent, force.

The cost of covering demos is the price of Democracy. They might have deeply unpleasant views, but as long as they're operating within the law, they're allowed.



the arrest rate for their demos are high


The same could also be said for .


Salafi-Wahabi terrorist organisation that was based in Britain, shame the EDL cannot be banned just like them


Do you seriously think that Al-Muhajiroun have ceased all activities since being banned?

It achieves nothing other than sending them further underground. The same would happen with the EDL. Banning them would give them an illusion of importance they currently don't have.

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Posted on Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:21:27
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True but if they link up with other crazy minded people such as the JDL which are a terrorist group as the FBI declared them then you would have problems, Also the cost the UK tax payers millions when they decide to have a so called demo


To be fair, I think the FBI have called the Hell's Angels a terrorist organisation, they get quite uppity. Also, the JDL have been an irrelevance for years. They're a mouthy, but spent, force.

The cost of covering demos is the price of Democracy. They might have deeply unpleasant views, but as long as they're operating within the law, they're allowed.



the arrest rate for their demos are high


The same could also be said for .


Salafi-Wahabi terrorist organisation that was based in Britain, shame the EDL cannot be banned just like them


Do you seriously think that Al-Muhajiroun have ceased all activities since being banned?

It achieves nothing other than sending them further underground. The same would happen with the EDL. Banning them would give them an illusion of importance they currently don't have.


when was the last time they went out to demos every month?, I am not picking sides before anyone gets the wrong idea.


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Posted on Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:45:39
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when was the last time they went out to demos every month?, I am not picking sides before anyone gets the wrong idea.


Demos were by far the least important part of their activities.

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Posted on Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:51:39
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when was the last time they went out to demos every month?, I am not picking sides before anyone gets the wrong idea.


Demos were by far the least important part of their activities.


so if not demos what where they trying to achieve

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Posted on Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:56:47
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when was the last time they went out to demos every month?, I am not picking sides before anyone gets the wrong idea.


Demos were by far the least important part of their activities.


so if not demos what where they trying to achieve


In simple terms, the radicalisation of Islamic youth to fight in Holy Jihad. The demos were simply a rallying cry to make disaffected Muslims aware of their existence.

They mainly operated, and indeed, almost certainly still do operate, by infiltrating moderate mosques and planting the seeds of radicalisation.

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Posted on Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:59:39
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when was the last time they went out to demos every month?, I am not picking sides before anyone gets the wrong idea.


Demos were by far the least important part of their activities.


so if not demos what where they trying to achieve


In simple terms, the radicalisation of Islamic youth to fight in Holy Jihad. The demos were simply a rallying cry to make disaffected Muslims aware of their existence.

They mainly operated, and indeed, almost certainly still do operate, by infiltrating moderate mosques and planting the seeds of radicalisation.


and you think they succeeded in their plans?

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Posted on Tue Sep 24, 2013 13:05:07
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when was the last time they went out to demos every month?, I am not picking sides before anyone gets the wrong idea.


Demos were by far the least important part of their activities.


so if not demos what where they trying to achieve


In simple terms, the radicalisation of Islamic youth to fight in Holy Jihad. The demos were simply a rallying cry to make disaffected Muslims aware of their existence.

They mainly operated, and indeed, almost certainly still do operate, by infiltrating moderate mosques and planting the seeds of radicalisation.


and you think they succeeded in their plans?


The activities of Asif Hanif, Omar Khyam, Waheed Mahmood, Anthony Garcia, Jawad Akbar and Saladhuddin Amin would suggest so.

That's not including the many that have allegedly been sent to 'training camps' in Pakistan at their expense.



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Posted on Tue Sep 24, 2013 13:07:05
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when was the last time they went out to demos every month?, I am not picking sides before anyone gets the wrong idea.


Demos were by far the least important part of their activities.


so if not demos what where they trying to achieve


In simple terms, the radicalisation of Islamic youth to fight in Holy Jihad. The demos were simply a rallying cry to make disaffected Muslims aware of their existence.

They mainly operated, and indeed, almost certainly still do operate, by infiltrating moderate mosques and planting the seeds of radicalisation.


and you think they succeeded in their plans?


The activities of Asif Hanif, Omar Khyam, Waheed Mahmood, Anthony Garcia, Jawad Akbar and Saladhuddin Amin would suggest so.

That's not including the many that have allegedly been sent to 'training camps' in Pakistan at their expense.



allegedly anything can happen but these f**kwits dont even represent the Muslims here as the majorty Muslims in the UK are Sunnis, you have few bad sects everywhere and this thread has one the EDL

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Posted on Tue Sep 24, 2013 13:14:28
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allegedly anything can happen but these f**kwits dont even represent the Muslims here as the majorty Muslims in the UK are Sunnis, you have few bad sects everywhere and this thread has one the EDL


My point is that these nutjobs 'defend' England in exactly the same way that Al-Muhajiroun or (the Sunni, seeing as you mentioned it) Al-Qaeda defend Muslims, i.e. not at all.

The EDL neither represent, nor stand for, anything English.

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Posted on Tue Sep 24, 2013 13:39:35
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Ahh nice...lumping this guy with any one white and English

Allow me to do the same with 'Your' guy
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lol my guy? i guess you cannot read or have you come here to troll?


Does it bother you when it is pointed out that the behaviour of some Muslims in this country is not quite what is acceptable?

Compared to that chap, the EDL are poor innocent lambs, even with their right paws extended.


lol did i say it bothers me? the EDL are poor innocent lambs haha yeah right


Compared to Captain Hook, they are lilly-white indeed.


Oh please, this guy was and still is a shill, a media scare card.
Don't forget about the actors paid to look terrifying in front of the cameras to get that golden front page shot.

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Posted on Tue Sep 24, 2013 13:59:13
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Anders Behring Breivik was influenced by the EDL


Pretty certain it was vice-versa. Breivik's political philosophies were cemented by the early 2000's, and as far as I'm aware, he had no contact with the EDL prior to 2009.



Google it and you will find out


Google it yourself, you'll find out my statement is correct, certainly as far as I'm aware.

Yes, Breivik had contact with the EDL, but by the time it happened, his philosophies and plans were already in motion. It's more likely that Breivik influenced the EDL than vice-versa.

If you have any evidence to the contrary, please cite it, rather than suggesting I search google.

Far right politics is something I have to deal with on a daily basis, so I tend to pay attention to them, however loathsome they might be.



www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8661139/Norway-killer-Anders-Behring-Breivik-had-extensive-links-to-English-Defence-League.html


Breivik was understood to have met leaders of the EDL in March last year when he came to London for the visit of Geert Wilders, the Dutch Right-wing politician. Daryl Hobson, who organises EDL demonstrations, said Breivik, who told police there were two more cells ready to follow him, had met members of the group.

Another senior member of the EDL said Breivik had been in regular contact with its members via Facebook, and had a hypnotic effect on them.

Scotland Yard was investigating Breiviks claims that he began his deadly crusade after being recruited to a secret society in London, and that he was guided by an English mentor. David Cameron, who was being kept updated on developments, said Breiviks claims were being taken extremely seriously.

Breivik wrote of having strong links with the EDL, saying he had met its leaders and had 600 EDL members as Facebook friends.


Do tell me where the EDL are training people with guns...oh wait thats the other guys..any links to anything the EDL on pair with terrorists..a suicide bomber may be,no?They must make their women have their ''Man in the boat'' cut off or put them in bin liners so not to lower the tone..not them either dang..what have they done


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Posted on Tue Sep 24, 2013 23:16:58
The sooner militant radical islam is removed from the face of this earth, the sooner morons like this will disappear, but it just seems one group fuels the other, which in turn fuels the first group a bit more, and we just have a massive circle of hate mongering and racism on behalf of all parties involved.

Eradicate religion. /thread

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Posted on Wed Sep 25, 2013 00:06:09
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The sooner militant radical islam is removed from the face of this earth, the sooner morons like this will disappear, but it just seems one group fuels the other, which in turn fuels the first group a bit more, and we just have a massive circle of hate mongering and racism on behalf of all parties involved.

Eradicate religion. /thread


Wrong analysis.
The absence of religion did not make Soviet-Chinese relations any better.

One World.
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And no dissent.

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Posted on Mon Sep 30, 2013 15:22:45
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The sooner militant radical islam is removed from the face of this earth, the sooner morons like this will disappear, but it just seems one group fuels the other, which in turn fuels the first group a bit more, and we just have a massive circle of hate mongering and racism on behalf of all parties involved.

Eradicate religion. /thread


you cannot remove religion just cause you don't like it

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Posted on Mon Sep 30, 2013 17:58:56
1. Based on what I've seen the EDL are a bunch of drunk idiots who don't amount to anything in life and look for people to blame for their failures, just look at their leader Tommy Robinson (that's not his real name), the amount of times that guys been in jail then has a go at Muslims for breaking the law is just contradiction at its best
2. My family's Islamic (not the most religious but still follow some rules) and I can safely say they hate Abu qatada or whatever his name is and any other terrorist Muslim or not
3. When they say every Muslims a terrorist, they don't really think of how there are almost 2bill muslims, if they where all terrorists, wed be dead by now
4. Not all Muslims are terrorists, and not all terrorists are Muslims

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Good news, everyone!

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Posted on Tue Oct 15, 2013 23:40:50
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I never understood exactly what they are defending against to be honest.


Seriously? Do you not read the papers/watch the news on TV? Where have you been since the early 1970s?

Living where I do on the outskirts of Bradistan, I know exactly what they are defending against.



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I never understood exactly what they are defending against to be honest.


Seriously? Do you not read the papers/watch the news on TV? Where have you been since the early 1970s?

Living where I do on the outskirts of Bradistan, I know exactly what they are defending against.



Care to enlighten the rest of us?

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I never understood exactly what they are defending against to be honest.


Seriously? Do you not read the papers/watch the news on TV? Where have you been since the early 1970s?

Living where I do on the outskirts of Bradistan, I know exactly what they are defending against.



Care to enlighten the rest of us?



en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Searchlight

President Yahya Khan at the February conference said "Kill three million of them (Bangladeshis) and the rest will eat out of our hands.

The killings which began on March 25, 1971 and sparked the Bangladesh Liberation War led to the deaths of at least 26,000 people, as admitted by Pakistan (by the Hamoodur Rahman Commission) and as many as 3,000,000 as claimed by Bangladesh (from 1972 to 1975 the first post-war prime minister of Bangladesh, Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, mentioned on several occasions that at least three million died)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_Liberation_War

Accordingly, on the night of 25 March, the Pakistani Army launched Operation Searchlight to "crush" Bengali resistance in which Bengali members of military services were disarmed and killed, students and the intelligentsia systematically liquidated and able-bodied Bengali males just picked up and gunned down.

...

The scale of the atrocities was first made clear in the West when Anthony Mascarenhas, a Pakistani journalist who had been sent to the province by the military authorities to write a story favourable to Pakistan's actions, instead fled to the United Kingdom and, on 13 June 1971, published an article in the Sunday Times describing the systematic killings by the military. The BBC wrote: "There is little doubt that Mascarenhas' reportage played its part in ending the war. It helped turn world opinion against Pakistan and encouraged India to play a decisive role", with Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi herself stating that Mascarenhas' article has led her "to prepare the ground for India's armed intervention"

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The scale of the atrocities was first made clear in the West when Anthony Mascarenhas, a Pakistani journalist who had been sent to the province by the military authorities to write a story favourable to Pakistan's actions, instead fled to the United Kingdom and, on 13 June 1971, published an article in the Sunday Times describing the systematic killings by the military. The BBC wrote: "There is little doubt that Mascarenhas' reportage played its part in ending the war. It helped turn world opinion against Pakistan and encouraged India to play a decisive role", with Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi herself stating that Mascarenhas' article has led her "to prepare the ground for India's armed intervention"

Hindu areas suffered particularly heavy blows. By midnight, Dhaka was burning, especially the Hindu dominated eastern part of the city. Time magazine reported on 2 August 1971, "The Hindus, who account for three-fourths of the refugees and a majority of the dead, have borne the brunt of the Pakistani military hatred.


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Our government has failed to denounce the suppression of democracy.
Our government has failed to denounce atrocities.
Our government has failed to take forceful measures to protect its citizens while at the same time bending over backwards to placate the West Pak[istan] dominated government and to lessen any deservedly negative international public relations impact against them.
Our government has evidenced what many will consider moral bankruptcy,(...)
But we have chosen not to intervene, even morally, on the grounds that the Awami conflict, in which unfortunately the overworked term genocide is applicable, is purely an internal matter of a sovereign state.
Private Americans have expressed disgust.
We, as professional civil servants, express our dissent with current policy and fervently hope that our true and lasting interests here can be defined and our policies redirected.



When Archer K. Blood died last month, in retirement in Colorado, there was family, a few old friends and an entire nation to mourn his passing, but the nation that grieved for him was not his own. It was Bangladesh.



[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JFR_Jacob[/url]

Jacob gained prominence when as Major General he served as the Chief of Staff of the Indian Army's Eastern Command that defeated the Pakistan Army in East Pakistan during the 1971 Bangladesh Liberation War. Jacob was awarded a commendation of merit for his role.

In March 1971, the Pakistan Army launched Operation Searchlight in East Pakistan. The action led to over 10 million refugees entering India, fueling tensions between India and Pakistan. By the monsoon season, as Chief of Staff, Jacob was tasked with drawing the contingency plans for a possible conflict. After consulting with superior officers, Jacob developed a plan for engaging Pakistan in a "war of movement" in the difficult and swampy terrain of East Pakistan.

.. [H]is "war of movement" plan aimed to take control of all of East Pakistan.

A study of the campaign by Pakistan's National Defence College concluded that "the credit really goes to General Jacob's meticulous preparations in the Indian eastern command and to the implementation by his Corps commanders.

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Posted on Wed Oct 16, 2013 09:09:18
edl always get portrayed as public enemies when in actual fact they have done nothing wrong. the media these days have exploited all the very few misshapes and nazi references in their protests. what i mean is; there have been protests every week or so for the past few years, but i've only seen a few nazi salute pictures shown over and over again. as well as this, the edl has over 20,000 members, so theres bound to be a few nazis or skinheads in there, but tommy has condemned them to join himself, saying that they are as much is enemies as the islam extremists are.
my final point is that the government, and our education ministers have some irrational hate of them. for gcse general studies, kids are taught that the edl are a violent group of thugs, which in actual fact is contrary to the truth. we have been indoctrinated against the edl, despite the fact that they are people, just like us; the majority of them are well presented men and women, just look at tommy robinson himself!! in conclusion, society is unfair to this group, when there is no real reason why; so give them a chance and do maybe just a little research before you have a go at them.
thanks.

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Posted on Wed Oct 16, 2013 09:36:17
By Benny_Murvic [1587566]like us; the majority of them are well presented men and women, just look at tommy robinson himself!! in conclusion, society is unfair to this group, when there is no real reason why; so give them a chance and do maybe just a little research before you have a go at them.
thanks.


Aw, boo hoo, the poor little misunderstood racists. Lets all give them a hug.

There's a reason most normal people are against them; They're a bunch of racist, ignorant f*ckwits. They're your usual bunch of football thugs, casual racists and neo-nazis, looking for an excuse to have a fight with anyone who doesn't agree with them. It was the same with the NF in the 70's, the BNP in the 80's/90's, and now this shower of sh*t at the moment.

Hopefully the current power vacuum with lead to their collapse. I'm sure another far right racist group will emerge from the bloated corpse, but at least it disheartens them a little, and they'll have to go back to spouting racist b*llocks in their local pub, instead of beating up anyone with a tan or a different point of view.



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Posted on Thu Oct 17, 2013 09:13:02
edl, are illiterate idiots, i see alot of them in my area. Drunktards they are

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Posted on Sun Oct 20, 2013 22:30:35
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4. Not all Muslims are terrorists, and not all terrorists are Muslims


I agree, not all terrorists are Muslim, just 99% of them



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Posted on Sun Oct 20, 2013 22:56:04
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4. Not all Muslims are terrorists, and not all terrorists are Muslims


I agree, not all terrorists are Muslim, just 99% of them



Know what else is interesting about that? If the human race suddenly stopped believing superstitious bullcrap from ages passed, terms such as "jihad" would instantly vanish from vocabulary. The problem, as far as I'm concerned, is not muslims or terrorists but people. As long as we allow ourselves to be controlled by self appointed deities in the form of priests, popes, prophets, imams, rabbis, and any other religious leader you can name, we will continue to experience abject misery across the globe.

Now before you go getting all cross about my making a generalization. I'm not saying that non-religious peoples aren't responsible for unspeakable acts. What I'm saying is that the VAST majority of hatred and misery in this world is fostered by those that believe in one variation of the Abrahamic "god".

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