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Cartoon Network is an American basic cable and satellite television channel

i like to know what you all on torn have to say about this.

i loved cartoon network back in the day

sorry if your not from the USA

if you cant get what im saying taking about torn city

The Fall of Cartoon Network
by Theresa Romano | 12:30 pm, May 16th, 2011

Have you noticed anything different about the programming on Cartoon Network? How about the fact that theres a dramatic decrease in actual good, quality cartoons?

Before we get right down to the problem, I would like you to jump into my time machine, back to 1994 when Cartoon Network Studios was born. Im not going to bore you with too many details, but what made Cartoon Network so great was its original programming overseen by the president of the network, Jim Samples. The What-A-Cartoon! Show premiered in 1995 and showcased a slew of new cartoon ideas, many of which eventually got their own series including Dexters Laboratory, Johnny Bravo, Cow and Chicken, The Powerpuff Girls, Courage the Cowardly Dog, and so on.
Some of the executives who were in charge of the programming came from Nickelodeon, including the creator of Ren & Stimpy, John Kricfalusi. With the success of What-A-Cartoon! Show came the memorable Cartoon Cartoons, which was the collective name for all the original cartoon series during the late 90s including Ed, Edd n Eddy and I Am Weasel.

Soon, Turner Broadcasting (which owned Cartoon Network) merged with Time Warner. During this time there was a lot of spill-over from the two companies; black and white Warner Bros. cartoons were now being shown on Cartoon Network along with reruns from the Kids WB and new shows including Justice League.

As the 2000s rolled in, Cartoon Network went through what I would like to call an identity crisis. During the first few years of the new millennium, most of the classic Cartoon Network programs were being viewed on its sister network Boomerang. But, by 2006, most of the cartoons including Dexters Laboratory and The Powerpuff Girls were coming back into thirty minute segments which were part of the show called The Cartoon Cartoon Show.

All this came to an end, however, when Jim Samples the man who was part of Cartoon Networks programming from the get-go resigned on February 7, 2007, a few days after the Boston bomb scare incident involving Adult Swims Aqua Teen Hunger Force marketing campaign for the series first film. If you dont remember what happened, the marketing campaign received negative attention from the police in Boston, Massachusetts; LED placards of one of the series characters, Mooninite Ignignokt shown flipping the bird, were sporadically placed throughout major cities, including Boston. One placard that was located at a station was seen by a passenger who in turn notified the police. The bomb squad was called in since the LED placards resembled what they though was an explosive device.

In short, Jim Samples felt responsible for the incident and unfortunately stepped-down from his position. Ever since he left that day, Cartoon Network has never been the same. Stuart Snyder succeeded Samples and, with his new title and power, has been the reason why so much quality programming, like The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, has been canceled. Under his reign of terror, reality show-inspired cartoon shows from Canadian animation studios have emerged including Total Drama Island and 6teen. Just this year, Cartoon Network has come to resemble the Disney Channel and Nickelodeon more and more with its own sports award show called the Hall of Game Awards, hosted by Tony Hawk (excuse me, but wasnt Tony Hawk more relevant a couple of years back?). Not to mention that Cartoon Network, under Synders regime, introduced a number of live-action shows including Destroy Build Destroy (inappropriately and awkwardly hosted by Andrew W.K.), Dude, What Would Happen? (kids acting out their hypothetical questions? Cool?), and Tower Prep (a terrible rip-off of the X-Mens Xavier Institute).

Along with some half-baked animated shows like The Problem Solverz (I dont even know how to go about explaining this one) and MAD (an ill-conceived attempt at turning a good magazine into an animated mess slandered with weak pop culture jokes), Cartoon Network is in dire need of some original content. But, even when promising shows cross Cartoon Networks path, they eventually are swept away by cancellation.

Among the newer shows that Cartoon Network produces, there have been some gems including cult favorites: Chowder, The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack, Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends, and the recently canceled Sym-Bionic Titan.

The number of good shows getting canceled has caused many fans to fight back, with words, of course! Sym-Bionic Titan, which got axed in early April, was created by veteran Cartoon Network animator/director Genndy Tartakovsky the man behind many Cartoon Network series including Samurai Jack, which, wait, was canceled too! Sym-Bionic Titan was Tartakovskys latest creation which followed the renegade lives of Illana (an other-worldly princess), Lance (the soldier with attitude) and Octus (the humanistic robot) who initially together form the fighting Sym-Bionic Titan robot. The series was a great mix of subtle humor and action and, according to Tartakovskys influences, was something along the lines of Voltron meets a John Hughes flick.

The second season of Sym-Bionic Titan left fans wanting more. Facebook fan pages, deviantART, petitions and Tumblr blogs soon exploded urging fans to demand more Titan. You see, when a show on Cartoon Network gets canceled, it just sort of disappears into oblivion. There are no reasons given for why it was canceled, it just ceases to exist. Some surmise that Cartoon Network takes in the number of actual television viewers, without taking into consideration the number of viewers watching episodes online via YouTube and Hulu. Another reason is that, according to Tartakovsky himself, Cartoon Network canceled Sym-Bionic Titan over the fact that the series didnt produce a toy line.

The Facebook fan page Help Sym-Bionic Titan Get Another Season has been booming with over 4,000+ active supporters since early April. I was able to get in contact with two very passionate supporters Robert Diaz and Julie Rozen. Robert, who speaks for most Sym-Bionic Titan fans, feels that Cartoon Network only appeals to the younger demographic, but once people of all ages start enjoying a show, it gets canceled (similar to what happened to Samurai Jack). Robert said, The cancellation of Sym-Bionic Titan is yet another nail in Cartoon Networks coffin. Apparently the new people in charge have little regard for quality or their viewer base and are desperate to appeal to an audience outside the animated [cartoon] genre. This has failed on other networks, producing pathetic ratings that do little to improve the overall channel itself.

Julie Rozen has organized the petition entitled Make More Episodes of Sym-Bionic Titan! with almost 1,000 signatures to date. She urges fans to not only help support the animated series but also its creator Genndy Tartakovsky who over the years has provided Cartoon Network with consistently smart, creative and innovative programming.

Some may feel that these lengths are a bit extreme and whiny, but, in the past, shows that were once said to be no more, like Family Guy and Futurama, have been resurrected by who else? Its fans. Cartoon Network has to remember the original programming that made it great, and give a new series a chance to resinate with its audience.

The few shows that have somehow managed to survive the cancellation process have become fast favorites. Star Wars: The Clone Wars, The Regular Show and the immensely popular Adventure Time may have what it takes to become a long-running series. What these shows have, especially The Regular Show and Adventure Time, is a nostalgic quality and mature sense of humor that is reminiscent of the great Ren & Stimpy. Just dont tell Stuart Synder I told you this. He might cancel them for being too creative.




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Posted on Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:12:25
So we blame Canada?



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Posted on Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:13:33
I stopped watching cartoons about 10 years ago so I never noticed a thing.

Looks like you care a lot for this cartoon network.

Maybe you should write a letter to them telling them how much you depend on them.

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Posted on Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:25:13
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I stopped watching cartoons about 10 years ago so I never noticed a thing.

Looks like you care a lot for this cartoon network.

Maybe you should write a letter to them telling them how much you depend on them.


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Posted on Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:29:20
In an oversimplified way you telling you this: it's about the toys. If the toys don't sell, they cancel the shows. It's why ThunderCats & Young Justice were axed. There was a petition started for ThunderCats to have a 2nd season, & it's still gone.

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Posted on Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:52:33
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I stopped watching cartoons about 10 years ago so I never noticed a thing.

Looks like you care a lot for this cartoon network.

Maybe you should write a letter to them telling them how much you depend on them.


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Posted on Mon Sep 16, 2013 13:10:27
Protip: If you're over 12, and watching the Cartoon Network, you've failed at life.

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Posted on Mon Sep 16, 2013 13:23:03
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Protip: If you're over 12, and watching the Cartoon Network, you've failed at life.


are you 12yr ??? you know torn a game for kids so did you fail at life ??

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Posted on Mon Sep 16, 2013 13:24:30
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Protip: If you're over 12, and watching the Cartoon Network, you've failed at life.


are you 12yr ??? you know torn a game for kids so did you fail at life ??


Nope, it's PG13+.



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Posted on Mon Sep 16, 2013 13:30:15
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Protip: If you're over 12, and watching the Cartoon Network, you've failed at life.


are you 12yr ??? you know torn a game for kids so did you fail at life ??


Nope, it's PG13+.



how old are you ???

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Posted on Mon Sep 16, 2013 13:45:10
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Protip: If you're over 12, and watching the Cartoon Network, you've failed at life.


are you 12yr ??? you know torn a game for kids so did you fail at life ??


Nope, it's PG13+.



how old are you ???


Old enough to know that the 'Cartoon Network' exists for the sole purpose of selling toys to kids.


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Posted on Mon Sep 16, 2013 14:18:42
lol if you say so man lol

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Posted on Mon Sep 16, 2013 16:31:08
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Protip: If you're over 12, and watching the Cartoon Network, you've failed at life.


are you 12yr ??? you know torn a game for kids so did you fail at life ??


Nope, it's PG13+.



how old are you ???


Old enough to know that the 'Cartoon Network' exists for the sole purpose of selling toys to kids.


The sole purpose is right.


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Posted on Mon Sep 16, 2013 16:34:39
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Protip: If you're over 12, and watching the Cartoon Network, you've failed at life.


are you 12yr ??? you know torn a game for kids so did you fail at life ??


Nope, it's PG13+.



There are shows on Cartoon Network that are significantly more PG13 than Torn.

Or at least their used to be, I stopped watching Adult Swim about three years ago, because it stopped being very interesting after Robot Chicken.

OP's post was too long to read, but I assume he generally agrees with this sentiment?

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Posted on Mon Sep 16, 2013 17:20:29
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Protip: If you're over 12, and watching the Cartoon Network, you've failed at life.


are you 12yr ??? you know torn a game for kids so did you fail at life ??


Nope, it's PG13+.



how old are you ???


Old enough to know that the 'Cartoon Network' exists for the sole purpose of selling toys to kids.


Yep.

Also, it's not just an American channel... You guys are so ignorant :/

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Posted on Mon Sep 16, 2013 17:36:44
Just want to make sure I'm clear on this:

Robot Chicken, Squidbillies, ATHF, etc, are shows that are meant solely to promote the sale of toys, even though there are no toys made as a result of those shows?

That seems like a fairly bad strategy.

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Posted on Mon Sep 16, 2013 18:13:03
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Just want to make sure I'm clear on this:

Robot Chicken, Squidbillies, ATHF, etc, are shows that are meant solely to promote the sale of toys, even though there are no toys made as a result of those shows?

That seems like a fairly bad strategy.


You won't see them for The Boondocks either.

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Posted on Mon Sep 16, 2013 18:21:47
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Just want to make sure I'm clear on this:

Robot Chicken, Squidbillies, ATHF, etc, are shows that are meant solely to promote the sale of toys, even though there are no toys made as a result of those shows?

That seems like a fairly bad strategy.


A quick Google for 'Robot Chicken Toys' and 'Squidbillies Toys' shows both have product available.

Licensing, yo, it's like, huge, dude.

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Posted on Mon Sep 16, 2013 18:43:13
I used to watch all the good shit on Cartoon Network like Ed, Edd n Eddy, Courage The Cowardly Dog, Samurai Jack, Johnny Bravo...

Then boring stuff like Johnny Test & other trash I'd rather not remember. I look back on it now & it looks awful. It really has gone downhill, like most industries today.

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Posted on Mon Sep 16, 2013 18:51:21
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Protip: If you're over 12, and watching the Cartoon Network, you've failed at life.


are you 12yr ??? you know torn a game for kids so did you fail at life ??


Nope, it's PG13+.



There are shows on Cartoon Network that are significantly more PG13 than Torn.

Or at least their used to be, I stopped watching Adult Swim about three years ago, because it stopped being very interesting after Robot Chicken.

OP's post was too long to read, but I assume he generally agrees with this sentiment?


Seams, to me at least, the writer of the article is angry about 1 show in particular being canned that they want to see return. They spent a few paragraphs on the history of the network, then a few paragraphs praising 'Sym-Bionic Titan' and letting you know there are fansites and Facebook pages dedicated to trying to get the show brought back.

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Seams, to me at least, the writer of the article is angry about 1 show in particular being canned that they want to see return. They spent a few paragraphs on the history of the network, then a few paragraphs praising 'Sym-Bionic Titan' and letting you know there are fansites and Facebook pages dedicated to trying to get the show brought back.


Exactly! +1



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Posted on Mon Sep 16, 2013 20:06:47
Never even heard of that show. Sounds like some crap that got produced after the network had already gone downhill.

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Posted on Mon Sep 16, 2013 22:31:24
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Protip: If you're over 12, and watching the Cartoon Network, you've failed at life.


are you 12yr ??? you know torn a game for kids so did you fail at life ??


This game is NOT a game suitable for children

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Posted on Tue Sep 17, 2013 01:59:29
Rated +

I have good memories of Cartoon Network, but the last few years I haven't seen anything good on the rare occasion I check it out.

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Posted on Tue Sep 17, 2013 02:48:08
Im a 90's kid and use to love cartoon network until my brother got me into (at the time) more grown up shows on Disney channel to name a few that i remember:

Dexter's Laboratory
Johnny Bravo
Cow and Chicken
The Powerpuff Girls - You can lie about it.. you use to watch it too.. mojo jojo is still awesome
Ed, Edd n Eddy
Samurai Jack
Grim & Evil / The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy
The Cramp Twins

But then it was all about Disney channel and all the many great shows on there

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Posted on Tue Sep 17, 2013 05:21:00
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I stopped watching cartoons about 10 years ago so I never noticed a thing.

Looks like you care a lot for this cartoon network.

Maybe you should write a letter to them telling them how much you depend on them.


*Insert "traveling to Canada" image here*

It all makes sense now.


This was priceless. I laughed quite a bit. Blame Canada indeed.

On topic.

I didn't much notice the decline of the daily cartoon schedule because I stopped watching cartoons right about the time that Ed Edd 'n Eddy was going into it's third season. Toonami was the last good memory that I have of CN, and I expect it to stay that way.

HOWEVER, I have noticed the change in programming decisions with the late night Adult Swim lineup. I don't consider them to even be the same network since the target audiences are so vastly different that they're not worth comparing. Having said that I don't particularly appreciate the direction some of the more recent shows are going. It seems like the PDs are purposely being too obtuse. They're trying to create and promote shows that are completely random, but what's disturbing even more is that somebody is actually watching them.

For instance the show Squidbillies is starting, I think, it's fourth season. It is literally one long redneck joke. It has no premise, no purpose, no plot beyond the deprecation of hillbillies. How that's amusing I have no clue. At least with Aqua Teen, which is sometimes too random, there's usually a voice of sanity in Frylock, and most of their episodes follow some semblance of a "plot".

Then there's the newest fare on the docket... "The Heart, She Holler". All I can make of this is that someone at this network apparently hates hillbillies, and likes boring sight gags and shtick. It's random beyond fault having no plot whatsoever, and tries WAY too hard to be gross. This is the kind of BS that made me stop watching cartoons over a decade ago. When "Ren & Stimpy" did it it was funny because parents hated it. It was taboo, it was edgy, and most importantly kids weren't supposed to watch it. This show is clearly made for adults, aired in a time slot for adults, but the content of the show is too pathetic for kids or adults to get any enjoyment out of it.

These, of course, are my opinions. Feel free to scrutinize as you see fit. I agree with the author that it is rather sad that this once great network is slowly flushing themselves down the toilet. I'd rather watch Boomerang all day than any one of the daytime cartoons on the main network.

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Posted on Tue Sep 17, 2013 06:39:30
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I stopped watching cartoons about 10 years ago so I never noticed a thing.


same here ... the only show i really liked and would stop for was samurai jack



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Posted on Tue Sep 17, 2013 14:18:41
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I stopped watching cartoons about 10 years ago so I never noticed a thing.


same here ... the only show i really liked and would stop for was samurai jack



its because of stuart snyder he killed off the good shows like samurai jack.



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Posted on Tue Sep 17, 2013 15:57:43
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I stopped watching cartoons about 10 years ago so I never noticed a thing.


same here ... the only show i really liked and would stop for was samurai jack



its because of stuart snyder he killed off the good shows like samurai jack.



[sarcasm] That sure sounds like a good show... [/sarcasm]


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Posted on Tue Sep 17, 2013 18:12:16
I loved watching Pokemon when its all about #150.
Then toonami came and f**ked the rest.
Samurai jack was awesome,especially the starting song.
Dexter's labrotory was one of the awesome cartoon.
and Old days Tom and jerry was the only reason why I watch each and every ads.
Now a days I don't even want to remember about that channel.
It'll just ruin my memory.
Ed Edd n Eddy was telecasted at 11:30 pm and I never missed any show.

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Posted on Tue Sep 17, 2013 20:30:02
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I stopped watching cartoons about 10 years ago so I never noticed a thing.


same here ... the only show i really liked and would stop for was samurai jack



its because of stuart snyder he killed off the good shows like samurai jack.



samurai jack is one of the best cartoons i have ever seen.


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