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Posted on Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:24:08
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Why shouldn't any person, who has proper training, and required background checks be allowed to carry a firearm any place, at any time? So long as the firearm is properly secured and carried in a manner so that others know the person is carrying?


Because 'people' are frigging idiots?


I agree completely, thus I would prefer to be armed, so I can fend off the idiots.


I kinda like the 'equality with the Police' comparison, mentioned earlier. So, if you're prepared to undergo a 6-12 month, full time training course, then you should be allowed to own and carry firearms.


Teachers are prepared to spend 4 to 5 years "training" to become a teacher, so I am sure some of them will be willing to do the required 6-12 months additional training to learn to properly use a firearm, though I can not for the life of me see why it would take that long... hell it only takes 12 weeks to train a Marine, but since we are pretending here in this game, I will go along with your numbers even though I doubt that teachers will need to learn proper investigative technique, but if it makes people sleep better at night... fine by me.

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Posted on Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:27:07
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Why shouldn't any person, who has proper training, and required background checks be allowed to carry a firearm any place, at any time? So long as the firearm is properly secured and carried in a manner so that others know the person is carrying?


Because 'people' are frigging idiots?


I agree completely, thus I would prefer to be armed, so I can fend off the idiots.


ah ok, but still let idiots have guns, check.


Unfortunately, that is the risk we must take... same one we take when we get behind the wheel and watch the idiots zip by while they text. Life is full of risk, and idiots.

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Posted on Fri Jul 12, 2013 16:27:32
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Why shouldn't any person, who has proper training, and required background checks be allowed to carry a firearm any place, at any time? So long as the firearm is properly secured and carried in a manner so that others know the person is carrying?


Because 'people' are frigging idiots?


I agree completely, thus I would prefer to be armed, so I can fend off the idiots.


I kinda like the 'equality with the Police' comparison, mentioned earlier. So, if you're prepared to undergo a 6-12 month, full time training course, then you should be allowed to own and carry firearms.


Teachers are prepared to spend 4 to 5 years "training" to become a teacher, so I am sure some of them will be willing to do the required 6-12 months additional training to learn to properly use a firearm, though I can not for the life of me see why it would take that long... hell it only takes 12 weeks to train a Marine, but since we are pretending here in this game, I will go along with your numbers even though I doubt that teachers will need to learn proper investigative technique, but if it makes people sleep better at night... fine by me.


I simply went along with the analogy, and googled how long it takes to train as a cop in the USA.


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Posted on Fri Jul 12, 2013 20:57:36
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Why shouldn't any person, who has proper training, and required background checks be allowed to carry a firearm any place, at any time? So long as the firearm is properly secured and carried in a manner so that others know the person is carrying?

We trust police officers to carry weapons after training.


Wait, so are you accidentally or purposely highlighting how big a difference there is between police training and the 1 training session required for a concealed carry permit in many states?
That there is a far far far stricter process of weeding out potential police officers than there is for potential concealed carriers?

Why mention the police officers right there if you aren't drawing a comparison? Or in this case a contrast.
A huge contrast.
I was just on a website for concealed carry training that bragged about how each of their concealed carry classes has complete beginners in it and that they have a lot of experience "coaching" them to the finish line in 1 session. Great, so is there ANYONE they'll prevent from passing? That isn't comforting. No wonder the lady who shot out our window seemed so incapable and she had a permit.

Your premise relies on "proper training" so the question for me becomes, what exactly is the proper training you think necessary "to carry a firearm any place, at any time"

(and do you really mean anywhere anytime, what about airplanes? or lol how about a conjugal visit at a prison, point is there are places and situations where average people shouldn't bring a gun)

Is an 8 hour crash course where the bored participant retains about 1/4 of the information "proper training"? Or more along the lines of what a police officer is required to go through?

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 09:42:52
No! What a f**king stupid question, please never breed.

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:46:09
ohh well another pointless thread about guns and the evil we as American's face.

The driveway of your local school is a public road. Not school property so if you want your gun keep it in your car.(Yes I know you don't believe me but its true)

There are NOT police in ALL schools here in the US. There are some school districts that still live in fantasy land as many of you do that feel like schools don't need police.

I would be willing to bet that at least one of the teachers from the the grammar school shooting last year would have loved to have had more in there hands then a f**king piece of chalk!

Arming the teachers to me that is to risky. Locking the doors and having a serious security guard/police officer at every school would be way better. Or even having the principles carry or have firearms locked in there office would be a way to go.

Weather or not you realize it there are alot of firearms in schools anyway. If your school has a ROTC and if they have a Rifle team there are firearms stored in the ROTC gun safe anyway. I was on the rifle team when I went to high school and was in charge of the rifles so I know they are there.



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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 13:52:04
Anything with a gun should be a no go. England do perfectly fine without the things.

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 13:55:32
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Anything with a gun should be a no go. England do perfectly fine without the things.


Speak for yourself, I've got half a dozen.

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 15:14:50
What kind of dumb ass question is that ? o.O

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 17:13:20
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Anything with a gun should be a no go. England do perfectly fine without the things.


Speak for yourself, I've got half a dozen.


Have you ever used it to save your life or a life of an innocent?


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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 19:43:00
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Anything with a gun should be a no go. England do perfectly fine without the things.


Speak for yourself, I've got half a dozen.


Have you ever used it to save your life or a life of an innocent?


No, I wouldn't need to, because we don't have ridiculously lax firearms laws over here.


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Posted on Sun Jul 14, 2013 00:18:27
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Anything with a gun should be a no go. England do perfectly fine without the things.


Speak for yourself, I've got half a dozen.


Have you ever used it to save your life or a life of an innocent?


No, I wouldn't need to, because we don't have ridiculously lax firearms laws over here.


you lost yourself somewhere there.

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Posted on Sun Jul 14, 2013 06:11:20
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Anything with a gun should be a no go. England do perfectly fine without the things.


True dat. Why waste money on ammo when you can hit them with a car & hack em to death with a machete.

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Posted on Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:05:06
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Anything with a gun should be a no go. England do perfectly fine without the things.


True dat. Why waste money on ammo when you can hit them with a car & hack em to death with a machete.


Yeah but our murder rate in Britain is much less, in 2011 there were 550 homicides in Britain. In the USA there was 14,600 approx, thats 40 murders a day, so yeah nice one.

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Posted on Sun Jul 14, 2013 15:13:34
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Why shouldn't any person, who has proper training, and required background checks be allowed to carry a firearm any place, at any time? So long as the firearm is properly secured and carried in a manner so that others know the person is carrying?

We trust police officers to carry weapons after training.


Wait, so are you accidentally or purposely highlighting how big a difference there is between police training and the 1 training session required for a concealed carry permit in many states?
That there is a far far far stricter process of weeding out potential police officers than there is for potential concealed carriers?

Why mention the police officers right there if you aren't drawing a comparison? Or in this case a contrast.
A huge contrast.
I was just on a website for concealed carry training that bragged about how each of their concealed carry classes has complete beginners in it and that they have a lot of experience "coaching" them to the finish line in 1 session. Great, so is there ANYONE they'll prevent from passing? That isn't comforting. No wonder the lady who shot out our window seemed so incapable and she had a permit.

Your premise relies on "proper training" so the question for me becomes, what exactly is the proper training you think necessary "to carry a firearm any place, at any time"

(and do you really mean anywhere anytime, what about airplanes? or lol how about a conjugal visit at a prison, point is there are places and situations where average people shouldn't bring a gun)

Is an 8 hour crash course where the bored participant retains about 1/4 of the information "proper training"? Or more along the lines of what a police officer is required to go through?


I am not making comparisons or contrasts... at all. My opinion is that all humans should live in a world with as close to a level playing field as possible. Why should one group have all the advantages? Why should unnecessary boundaries be forced on one segment of the population by another segment of the population?

How about we have the same requirements for everyone? If we can come up with training standards that are acceptable for people to be allowed to carry guns around and have a badge, then we can come up with training standards for people to carry guns around without the badge. Take the training, pass the test, carry the gun, uphold the public trust, continue to carry the gun... screw up (this goes for the people with the badge and gun, and the people with just the gun btw), then you loose your rights to carry the gun... FOREVER.

And yes, I mean anywhere... anytime. Still have to follow the rules, whether on a plane, train... or whatever.

Will bad things happen? Yes.

But bad things already happen.

Seems simple enough to me.

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Posted on Sun Jul 14, 2013 15:58:33
Well my point is that the current training standards are pathetic and I don't trust someone with the minimum level of training.

So before we even talk about expanding on the privileges of gun carriers, we'd need to talk about a real training program, the other way around would be a mess.

And frankly the gun rights supporters right now have a knee-jerk strong negative reaction to any additional anything right now, in general, so that isn't likely.

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Posted on Sun Jul 14, 2013 18:19:52
The fact that this is a debatable issue just proves to me how far from a normal relationship to firearms you have over there. I know it's prejudice but damn how long until you wake up and smell the gunsmoke?

No, teachers shouldn't be allowed to carry arms to work. Just like everyone else shouldn't (apart from police officers). Guess what, the queen isn't about to return and claim the colony so drop the militia mind set and start having a responsible relationship to guns. "Outlawing guns only means only outlaws will have guns"... So what? They'll have less access to them if they can't break into any home and pick up a couple of hand guns or just go down the street and buy one. It'll take time but eventually you'll see a drop in the amount of guns and gun crimes if restrictions are put in place.

Take a look at Australia - like the Daily Show very accurately showed. It's not rocket science...

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Posted on Sun Jul 14, 2013 18:22:28
Absolutely not! This will just make the children scared and they wouldn't want to go back to that school.


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Posted on Mon Jul 15, 2013 02:35:44
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Anything with a gun should be a no go. England do perfectly fine without the things.


True dat. Why waste money on ammo when you can hit them with a car & hack em to death with a machete.


Yeah but our murder rate in Britain is much less, in 2011 there were 550 homicides in Britain. In the USA there was 14,600 approx, thats 40 murders a day, so yeah nice one.


To be fair your country is the size of Louisiana, & ours is ridiculously huge. Statisticly speaking were bound to have more crime. Even if we did have stricter gun laws. Plus with all the action stars previous generations have grown up with. John Wayne, Clint Eastwood, Stallone, Schwartzenegger, & Norris. & you expect us to behave in a civilized manner after being exposed to that kind of awesomeness. Pfft get bent bud.

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Posted on Mon Jul 15, 2013 04:57:46
I am very pro gun. but accidents happen. it seems to me that the possibility of an accident involving a gun by a over worked preoccupied teacher is far more likely than a crazed gunman. what has happened in the past is tragic to say the least. but I see no reason to have a over reaction that would most likely cause more deaths than it would save.

don't forget, if you truly feel your child is not safe at the school they attend, home schooling has many avenues now. keeping your child at home is an alternative that seems to be over looked.

just my 2 cents.



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Posted on Mon Jul 15, 2013 05:30:48
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don't forget, if you truly feel your child is not safe at the school they attend, home schooling has many avenues now. keeping your child at home is an alternative that seems to be over looked.

just my 2 cents.


Im enrolled my son in the k-12 online program. Less distractions, No other kids to negatively influence,& best of all no crazy gunmen.

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Posted on Mon Jul 15, 2013 14:14:42
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don't forget, if you truly feel your child is not safe at the school they attend, home schooling has many avenues now. keeping your child at home is an alternative that seems to be over looked.

just my 2 cents.


Im enrolled my son in the k-12 online program. Less distractions, No other kids to negatively influence,& best of all no crazy gunmen.


also, great social skills come out of that, you know, for when they actually have to go out to the real world...

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Posted on Mon Jul 15, 2013 16:01:33
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Anything with a gun should be a no go. England do perfectly fine without the things.


True dat. Why waste money on ammo when you can hit them with a car & hack em to death with a machete.


Yeah but our murder rate in Britain is much less, in 2011 there were 550 homicides in Britain. In the USA there was 14,600 approx, thats 40 murders a day, so yeah nice one.


To be fair your country is the size of Louisiana, & ours is ridiculously huge. Statisticly speaking were bound to have more crime. Even if we did have stricter gun laws. Plus with all the action stars previous generations have grown up with. John Wayne, Clint Eastwood, Stallone, Schwartzenegger, & Norris. & you expect us to behave in a civilized manner after being exposed to that kind of awesomeness. Pfft get bent bud.


Ok if you're going to pull the bigger population card, China has 13,400 (approx) homocides a year (populations over 1 billion) America has 14,000 (approx) (population of 313m).

If you add, Britain(722), German(690), Spain(390), France(682), Italy(529) and Portugal(124) together their population is 315m (more than the USA) their combined homicide rates are 3,137. So why has the USA got almost 5 times as many homicides? Are you seriously suggesting its because of the Hollywood culture? You do realise those films come out over here as well, not to mention that we had realheroes as well. We had the largest empire the world has ever seen, we don't kill people just because "Its not our fault, we grow up learning about the Empire and want to conqueror those weaker than us", you get bent.

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Posted on Mon Jul 15, 2013 16:23:54
yes without a doubt RPGS to all teachers

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Posted on Mon Jul 15, 2013 17:59:50
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We had the largest empire the world has ever seen


lol, you're funny

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Posted on Mon Jul 15, 2013 18:18:20
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We had the largest empire the world has ever seen


lol, you're funny


THere's a lot of discussion about it, but by a fair few qualifiers, the British Empire was the largest empire the World has ever seen.

I believe the British Empire wins if you base it on Population, and landmass.

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Posted on Mon Jul 15, 2013 19:37:39
No teachers should not be a loud with guns in schools. They should not be allowed to teach either if they use improper grammar or spelling like that.

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Posted on Mon Jul 15, 2013 20:11:40
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We had the largest empire the world has ever seen


lol, you're funny


THere's a lot of discussion about it, but by a fair few qualifiers, the British Empire was the largest empire the World has ever seen.

I believe the British Empire wins if you base it on Population, and landmass.


lol, you're funny too

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Posted on Mon Jul 15, 2013 21:51:46
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We had the largest empire the world has ever seen


lol, you're funny


THere's a lot of discussion about it, but by a fair few qualifiers, the British Empire was the largest empire the World has ever seen.

I believe the British Empire wins if you base it on Population, and landmass.


lol, you're funny too


Accurate, though.



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Posted on Mon Jul 15, 2013 22:09:38
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We had the largest empire the world has ever seen


lol, you're funny


THere's a lot of discussion about it, but by a fair few qualifiers, the British Empire was the largest empire the World has ever seen.

I believe the British Empire wins if you base it on Population, and landmass.


lol, you're funny too


Accurate, though.



Most land, Most population and most % of the world. Please explain how that isn't the biggest empire in the world please.

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