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Posted on Wed Jul 03, 2013 23:04:01
First car was a VW polo 6n2 1.0E... Soon got bored of that and got my Defender instead. 23 mpg, but worth every diesel soaked penny.

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Posted on Wed Jul 03, 2013 23:08:25
I personally am a fan of German cars. As a designer and engineer, I definitely recognize that German cars are over engineered. If you're looking for something used, I'd recommend checking out an early 2000's Volkswagen Jetta, Passat, or GTI. The 1.8 liter turbo charged engine (1.8t) is a bit larger than your specifications, but it's an amazing engine. I'm proud to drive one. I'd strongly recommend paying cash for a car, especially a first car. You don't need a car payment right now.

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Posted on Wed Jul 03, 2013 23:12:09
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I personally am a fan of German cars. As a designer and engineer, I definitely recognize that German cars are over engineered. If you're looking for something used, I'd recommend checking out an early 2000's Volkswagen Jetta, Passat, or GTI. The 1.8 liter turbo charged engine (1.8t) is a bit larger than your specifications, but it's an amazing engine. I'm proud to drive one. I'd strongly recommend paying cash for a car, especially a first car. You don't need a car payment right now.


The quality of the engine is irrelevant, if the insurance is vastly more than the car is worth, which for something like a 1.8l turbo, it would be.

For a 17 year old in the UK, I'd estimate the insurance to be something like 3000-4000, even if you could find a company that will insure it, which is unlikely.


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Posted on Wed Jul 03, 2013 23:26:10
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I personally am a fan of German cars. As a designer and engineer, I definitely recognize that German cars are over engineered. If you're looking for something used, I'd recommend checking out an early 2000's Volkswagen Jetta, Passat, or GTI. The 1.8 liter turbo charged engine (1.8t) is a bit larger than your specifications, but it's an amazing engine. I'm proud to drive one. I'd strongly recommend paying cash for a car, especially a first car. You don't need a car payment right now.


The quality of the engine is irrelevant, if the insurance is vastly more than the car is worth, which for something like a 1.8l turbo, it would be.

For a 17 year old in the UK, I'd estimate the insurance to be something like 3000-4000, even if you could find a company that will insure it, which is unlikely.


My insurance for my 1.8t 1999 Passat is about $1050 US per year. It's not a crazy fast engine. Only like 160ish horsepower. It qualifies as like a performance sedan, but it's in no way a sports car. Are there other factors that contribute to high insurance costs?

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Posted on Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:12:29
You mentioned rims and a bodykit. Oh my, how you are showing your age. What an utter waste of money putting rims and a bodykit on a car. Not to mention the fact they look crap.
Anyway, based on what your requirements are, I googled "shit looking car" and came up with this:

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Posted on Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:35:35
Just get something cheap and cheerful: Corsa, 106, Saxo. I would personally just go for a Corsa SXI, the older shape.
People saying get an RX7/8 are dumb as shit, just because they only have a 1.3 engine doesn't mean they are cheap on insurance, they are something stupid like insurance group 18.

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Posted on Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:38:24
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You mentioned rims and a bodykit. Oh my, how you are showing your age. What an utter waste of money putting rims and a bodykit on a car. Not to mention the fact they look crap.
Anyway, based on what your requirements are, I googled "shit looking car" and came up with this:

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It warms my heart to think that someone actually took the time to make all of that, in the name of comedy.

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Posted on Sun Jul 07, 2013 13:07:26
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Why buy a car? You like being broke all the time??



What? lol.
Some of us actually earn decent money. If you cannot afford to buy a decent car with cash, pay the insurance, petrol and services then you have some serious problems and should look for better employment ASAP.

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Posted on Sun Jul 07, 2013 13:32:07
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I personally am a fan of German cars. As a designer and engineer, I definitely recognize that German cars are over engineered. If you're looking for something used, I'd recommend checking out an early 2000's Volkswagen Jetta, Passat, or GTI. The 1.8 liter turbo charged engine (1.8t) is a bit larger than your specifications, but it's an amazing engine. I'm proud to drive one. I'd strongly recommend paying cash for a car, especially a first car. You don't need a car payment right now.


The quality of the engine is irrelevant, if the insurance is vastly more than the car is worth, which for something like a 1.8l turbo, it would be.

For a 17 year old in the UK, I'd estimate the insurance to be something like 3000-4000, even if you could find a company that will insure it, which is unlikely.


My insurance for my 1.8t 1999 Passat is about $1050 US per year. It's not a crazy fast engine. Only like 160ish horsepower. It qualifies as like a performance sedan, but it's in no way a sports car. Are there other factors that contribute to high insurance costs?


Yes, the insurance system is totally out of control in the UK.


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Posted on Sun Jul 07, 2013 13:48:28
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I personally am a fan of German cars. As a designer and engineer, I definitely recognize that German cars are over engineered. If you're looking for something used, I'd recommend checking out an early 2000's Volkswagen Jetta, Passat, or GTI. The 1.8 liter turbo charged engine (1.8t) is a bit larger than your specifications, but it's an amazing engine. I'm proud to drive one. I'd strongly recommend paying cash for a car, especially a first car. You don't need a car payment right now.


The quality of the engine is irrelevant, if the insurance is vastly more than the car is worth, which for something like a 1.8l turbo, it would be.

For a 17 year old in the UK, I'd estimate the insurance to be something like 3000-4000, even if you could find a company that will insure it, which is unlikely.


My insurance for my 1.8t 1999 Passat is about $1050 US per year. It's not a crazy fast engine. Only like 160ish horsepower. It qualifies as like a performance sedan, but it's in no way a sports car. Are there other factors that contribute to high insurance costs?


Yes, the insurance system is totally out of control in the UK.


With the amount of young people that crash? not really...

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Posted on Sun Jul 07, 2013 14:17:39
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I personally am a fan of German cars. As a designer and engineer, I definitely recognize that German cars are over engineered. If you're looking for something used, I'd recommend checking out an early 2000's Volkswagen Jetta, Passat, or GTI. The 1.8 liter turbo charged engine (1.8t) is a bit larger than your specifications, but it's an amazing engine. I'm proud to drive one. I'd strongly recommend paying cash for a car, especially a first car. You don't need a car payment right now.


The quality of the engine is irrelevant, if the insurance is vastly more than the car is worth, which for something like a 1.8l turbo, it would be.

For a 17 year old in the UK, I'd estimate the insurance to be something like 3000-4000, even if you could find a company that will insure it, which is unlikely.


My insurance for my 1.8t 1999 Passat is about $1050 US per year. It's not a crazy fast engine. Only like 160ish horsepower. It qualifies as like a performance sedan, but it's in no way a sports car. Are there other factors that contribute to high insurance costs?


Yes, the insurance system is totally out of control in the UK.


With the amount of young people that crash? not really...


They need to fundamentally rethink the way car insurance works in the UK. I've not had an accident that was my fault in 20 years, and I still have to dick around arguing with insurance companies every year.

I'd go with everyone starts off at maybe 200 a year, regardless of what you drive. Then, if you have an accident that's your fault, it doubles. and doubles again, each time you have an at fault accident. It'd soon drive the crap motorists off the drive.

And if you drive without insurance, BAM, we take your kneecaps. Sorted.



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Posted on Sun Jul 07, 2013 14:31:14
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I personally am a fan of German cars. As a designer and engineer, I definitely recognize that German cars are over engineered. If you're looking for something used, I'd recommend checking out an early 2000's Volkswagen Jetta, Passat, or GTI. The 1.8 liter turbo charged engine (1.8t) is a bit larger than your specifications, but it's an amazing engine. I'm proud to drive one. I'd strongly recommend paying cash for a car, especially a first car. You don't need a car payment right now.


The quality of the engine is irrelevant, if the insurance is vastly more than the car is worth, which for something like a 1.8l turbo, it would be.

For a 17 year old in the UK, I'd estimate the insurance to be something like 3000-4000, even if you could find a company that will insure it, which is unlikely.


My insurance for my 1.8t 1999 Passat is about $1050 US per year. It's not a crazy fast engine. Only like 160ish horsepower. It qualifies as like a performance sedan, but it's in no way a sports car. Are there other factors that contribute to high insurance costs?


Yes, the insurance system is totally out of control in the UK.


With the amount of young people that crash? not really...


There's a hoo haa in Ireland at the moment regarding car insurance as it turns out that older drivers (over 55 I think) actually have more accidents/claims per driving mile than those under 20.

Younger drivers are SERIOUSLY subsidising older, less able drivers.



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Posted on Mon Jul 08, 2013 01:33:27
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Why buy a car? You like being broke all the time??



What? lol.
Some of us actually earn decent money. If you cannot afford to buy a decent car with cash, pay the insurance, petrol and services then you have some serious problems and should look for better employment ASAP.

Peace


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Posted on Wed Jul 10, 2013 09:41:07
TATA NANO.
Worlds cheapest and least powerful car.

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Posted on Wed Jul 10, 2013 13:14:56
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I personally am a fan of German cars. As a designer and engineer, I definitely recognize that German cars are over engineered. If you're looking for something used, I'd recommend checking out an early 2000's Volkswagen Jetta, Passat, or GTI. The 1.8 liter turbo charged engine (1.8t) is a bit larger than your specifications, but it's an amazing engine. I'm proud to drive one. I'd strongly recommend paying cash for a car, especially a first car. You don't need a car payment right now.


The quality of the engine is irrelevant, if the insurance is vastly more than the car is worth, which for something like a 1.8l turbo, it would be.

For a 17 year old in the UK, I'd estimate the insurance to be something like 3000-4000, even if you could find a company that will insure it, which is unlikely.


My insurance for my 1.8t 1999 Passat is about $1050 US per year. It's not a crazy fast engine. Only like 160ish horsepower. It qualifies as like a performance sedan, but it's in no way a sports car. Are there other factors that contribute to high insurance costs?


Yes, the insurance system is totally out of control in the UK.


With the amount of young people that crash? not really...


They need to fundamentally rethink the way car insurance works in the UK. I've not had an accident that was my fault in 20 years, and I still have to dick around arguing with insurance companies every year.

I'd go with everyone starts off at maybe 200 a year, regardless of what you drive. Then, if you have an accident that's your fault, it doubles. and doubles again, each time you have an at fault accident. It'd soon drive the crap motorists off the drive.

And if you drive without insurance, BAM, we take your kneecaps. Sorted.



I like that.

I know what you mean about the hassle trying to get a decent quote too. I'm in a similar situation to you, admittedly with less years no claims, but it's still extortionate considering my driving record, I've never had a bump that was my fault. A mate of mine has 41 years no claims, pays just over 400 a year for a 1.4 Meriva. If they won't give him a decent price, no bugger's getting one.

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Posted on Wed Jul 10, 2013 13:16:20
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Why buy a car? You like being broke all the time??



What? lol.
Some of us actually earn decent money. If you cannot afford to buy a decent car with cash, pay the insurance, petrol and services then you have some serious problems and should look for better employment ASAP.

Peace


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So not having a donator pack suggests that you're poor?

Someone's blatantly retarded.

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Posted on Wed Jul 10, 2013 16:45:45
MalcolmX,

It's been a few years since I started driving but I had a 1.3 VW Polo Classic on a 1985 C Reg. I had the car for 4 years, put 40,000+ miles on it, and sold it for nearly the same amount as I bought it for.

Very primitive driving, but unbreakable mechanics and bodywork.

My next car was a 1992 Peugeot 205 1.1 which was fantastic. Not the fastest to 60, but handled fantastically.

One car I did have is probably what I would recommend to you, and that is a Honda Civic 3 door hatch - the shape from about 1995 to 2000. They do a 1.4i and 1.5 VTEC. The VTEC engine is better, and is very fuel efficient, but maybe too much for your insurance - it is not classed as a hot hatch though.

Also I would recommend VW Golfs, especially the Mark 2 versions, which are brilliantly put together and fun to drive.

I would suggest avoiding Saxo's, 206's, Corsa's etc.. Lot's of youngsters have them, and the police will target you in them, as so many are made to look faster than they are.

The Ford Focus 1.4 is a decent enough car, and you may want to think about a SmartCar, or classic mini for a bit of fun!


Good luck with your search.




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Posted on Wed Jul 10, 2013 16:51:28
Just thought..... how about a Ford Puma 1.4?

Good fun to drive.

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Posted on Wed Jul 10, 2013 23:39:45
Thanks for all the ideas guys

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Posted on Thu Jul 11, 2013 01:22:29
Good Luck MalcolmX!

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Posted on Thu Jul 11, 2013 01:35:55
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I really wouldn't recommend a rotary engine for *anyone's* first car.


I am so uneducated when it comes to cars.

What is a rotary engine?


its a little different to your standard piston engine. and it works exactly the way it sounds.


rather than go up and down, you have a rotor that spins around


Yeah and instead of burning petrol as you drive a little man pops up out of the back of the car and starts draining your fuel! Although a rather interesting and genius way of getting more power out of a smaller engine it is so poor on fuel!

I know I will get a lot of stick for this but have you thought of a KIA Picanto?

I'm 19 and my first car was a C2 (great car), it was the follow on from the saxo.. so it will look good with the trim on - although you will look a bit of a douche (mainly for the body kit).

I now have a Picanto as I wanted a new plate and it was rather cheap. It drives well! And there is this little fun button called ESP - This is where street credit is made! Throw the car round some corners and skid it.. although if you wrap yourself around a tree that probably won't be best for you..

But seriously fun little car to drive! Its all good going fast in a straight line, but corners are where its at, small cars, they feel more playful when taking them round corners, I've done track days and sports car practically drive themselves round, since that's what they were designed to do.

Test drive everything that's in your budget. Find a car that best meets your personality and drive style - they're all unique and have their own quirks!

Sorry if I rambled on.



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Posted on Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:32:22
Rover 211i (1.1i Version..)?

Was my first car and now have a ZR 1.4i and a ZR 160 1.8VVC..

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Posted on Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:51:42
Fiat Bravo 1.4 Turbo ...

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Posted on Thu Jul 11, 2013 13:11:19
Staff edit.

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Posted on Thu Jul 11, 2013 13:34:03
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Posted on Thu Jul 11, 2013 13:57:51
You've pretty much backed up what he said about Rovers..

The reason it was a non runner and you had to replace all those parts surely was because it was unreliable in the first place?

Also aren't MG parts extremely hard to get a-hold of?

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Posted on Thu Jul 11, 2013 14:23:45
There are many theories but the simple truth is that the Head Gasket is just a bad design. Also the design of the engine was something which not many other car manufactures (if any to my knowledge) did at the time.

Fact is, every car has it's faults. Renault for example had dashboard problems where the dash needed replacing. Fiats are also known for Head Gaskets. Toyota have problems with their brakes not working..

And no. The car has seen 12 previous owners, left sitting on a drive for 4 months, has been in a Cat C crash back in 2009 and has seen better days unfortunately. Just wanted to fix it up and keep it on the road whilst learning at the same time. Better than being turned into cans!

Nope. Rimmer Brothers are a great site to get your parts from for any UK Manufactured car. If not, just go to an enthusiasts website and they will have sources.

Anyways, not wanting to hi-jack the thread, but everyone has their opinion and all cars have their faults.

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Posted on Fri Jul 12, 2013 00:32:51
That's true. In that case your car sounds like a bit of a trooper!

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 21:51:54
a tank

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Posted on Sat Jul 13, 2013 21:56:01
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Mazda rx8 (1.3 L rotary engine)

Seriously tho in what country do you live? That could determine your options.


I'm 23, driving for six years, five years no claims and insurance is 1,500 for a RX8. Not going to be cheap for a 17 year old!

Word of advice to the OP, don't think about getting a body kit/nice wheels, that will put the cost up (yes you need to declare it to your insurance company!).

My first car was a Fiat Punto, 1.2. Rather crappy and slow, but cheap to insure (1,000 for me at 18). No idea what prices are like in Ireland, but my sister (18) can't get insured on anything at the moment, everything is stupidly expensive (3,000+!).

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