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Posted on Thu Jun 13, 2013 17:30:20
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I suppose it's not unreasonable to bring acknowledged urban legend into the conversation as if it is factual evidence to back up your point. It is, after all, a thread about ghosts.

Many many things are in your head. Having a heart transplant is a traumatic experience.

If acknowledged means medically proven, give me0 2 nickels. And if a medical journal is not facts to the points (;if you've actually read any of the above anyway and just quickly skim-and-dismiss);, give me extra 4 nickles.

My head is full of mush and fat. What's yours, air? And I've never had any heart transplant before and never will be I pray.

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Posted on Thu Jun 13, 2013 17:53:19
With breathless excitement do I wait for Science to aswer this intriguing question.
But I fear I may have to wait a long time.


https:;//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ectoplasm_%;28paranormal%;29
If ectoplasm exists, I';m not quite sure how it can be measured and quantified.
If it doesn';t, then it cannot be measured and quantified either.
So I';m at a loss to understand what kind of ';factual evidence'; might be used to settle the question.

As for me - I';m sceptic-agnostic about ghosts. Haven';t seen them, don';t expect them.
But you never know,



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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 00:05:54
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If we are talking about ghosts in the traditional sense, a visible, audible entity that is the spirit of the dead and can pass through objects, (;;the kind you see on those god awful ghost hunting shows);;then no, For various reasons
1:;; If they are able to pass through objects then how could could it be possible for them to knock objects off of tables or move them around e.c.t

2:;; Sound is created by vibrations. Now, if a ghost was to talk, they would need something to casue these vibrations.. In all living things its vocal cords.. Now, not having a physical body would mean there are no vocal cords, making speech an impossibly

3:;; Everything we see is either energy or matter. A rainbow which has no physical entity is light, and as everyone who payed attention during science lessons would know, light is energy. Now for a physical shape to form, this light energy would have to be shaped. Nothing in nature shapes light, all anything can do is separate the spectrum, and reflect the light.. Now assuming the light could be shaped in some sense, the physical aspects of the ghost, facial features, arms, legs e.c.t would have to continue until there';s something stopping it... (;;as light travels until its reflected or absorbed by a surface);; meaning the physical shape would be recognisable



OK this isn't from my experience but my other halves, She knows a lot of answers to these questions because werid shit happens to her ALL the time.

1. "Ghosts"/"Spirits" don't "Pass through objects", most of what people are seeing in those cases are past images that a building recorded (;for lack of a better word); which is why loads of different people will see the same "Ghost" doing the same repetative act at loads of different times, people see them floating through walls but at some point in the past that part of that wall might have been a door so all they are seeing is basically a recording of past events that plays over and over again.

2. Sound works the same way, most old buildings contained a lot of metal, 8 track tapes worked by using rust on the tape to record and reproduce sound so it is possible that the corroding metal in buildings could in a way record sounds too.

3. Her again, A rainbow is whats known as "A lie to Children", you claim nothing can shape light but put a torch in a box full of water and cut a hole in it and let the water flow out and the light from the torch will bend to follow the path of the water, It is a proven experiment. Also you believe that rainbows are the product of raindro;ps but did you ever ask yourself how all those raindro;ps know how to organise that light into the curved shape or how they know to curve it? no you just accept that because thats what you are taught, as a kid you are taught rainbows curve because everyone knows rainbows are suppose to curve and dragons don't breath fire because they have asbestos lungs, dragons breath fire because everyone knows dragons are suppose to breath fire, it isn't fact it is a narrative, most of human assumptions is based on narrative and most of narratives are based on "Lie's to kids". It is only as you get older that it can be built upon to slowly bring you to the real reason for why rainbows bend or why grass is green.



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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 00:19:56
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there are many things in this world that cannot be explained just yet and until youve had an encounter with the paranormal to where you cant explain it then youre just someone who will try to apply science and reasoning to it.


One of my favorite stories is when I went with my family to this old hotel that used to be a hospital during the US Civil War and later on was a hospital for some disease that was rampant in the area years ago so many people died in this building. Well we took pictures of everyone in the family all over the hotel yet in every picture with just me in it there was tons of misty smoke and light orbs moving around yet none of that showed up in the other images with anyone else. Strangest thing was I would hear some voices yet none of my family would hear them even though they were standing almost should to shoulder beside me. After that trip I had trouble sleeping for a week. Another strange thing is that we could all smell cigar smoke yet there was no smoking allowed in the hotel and no one was even smoking the whole time we were there.


Her again, the mists are and aren't there, it is like a flux, at the start they can maintain a representation of their physical form (;think of a residual self image from The Matrix); but in time (;well not time because they aren't subject to it); just eventually they get bored so stop maintaining the shape. Orbs are different, orbs are kind of sad but kind of good as well. You never see anyone saying they seen a ghost of a dog, cat, baby that died young and while alive all they see is whatever is outside their own eyes so they have no concept of a risdual self image to be so they are the orbs because to them thats all they know how to look like which is why they are so playful in any reference you see about them, they are just kids and pets that died to soon



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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 01:49:12
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I suppose it is not unreasonable to bring acknowledged urban legend into the conversation as if it is factual evidence to back up your point. It is, after all, a thread about ghosts.

Many many things are in your head. Having a heart transplant is a traumatic experience.

If acknowledged means medically proven, give me0 2 nickels. And if a medical journal is not facts to the points (;if you've actually read any of the above anyway and just quickly skim-and-dismiss);, give me extra 4 nickles.

My head is full of mush and fat. Whats yours, air? And I have never had any heart transplant before and never will be I pray.


I did not mean physically in your head, weirdo. I mean the mind can play many tricks on you. Particularly when you are under stress.

Urban legend isn't medical proof. You posted
By Aramis [432256]Additionally, Chinese people in the past has a similar urban legend. Once upon a time, there is a 4th time failures scholar who pray to a judge of hell deity. In short, this deity gave the scholar a new heart and he become like Einstein of that era.

That is the furthest from medically proven, so you get ZERO nickels. For forgetting that you posted it and acting like I am the one at error you get negative nickels.

Cheers.

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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 02:14:21
By ReyDuvall [1526820]
Urban legend isn't medical proof. You posted
By Aramis [432256]Additionally, Chinese people in the past has a similar urban legend. Once upon a time, there is a 4th time failures scholar who pray to a judge of hell deity. In short, this deity gave the scholar a new heart and he become like Einstein of that era.

That is the furthest from medically proven, so you get ZERO nickels. For fouallrgetting that you posted it and acting like I am the one at error you get negative nickels.

Cheers.

Basically your whole argument are derived from what you take my post out of context, ignoring the other bigger parts of my post (;have you actually READ something?);

I bolded the part that say "urban legend in the past" which means the era where the Chinese still prays to a statue of their deities and far prior the scientific area. Moreover, it existed as "urban legend", and if you know english or have a dictionary, it means 'myth.. folklore'. Mouth-to-mouth stories.

Basic common sense:; Technology in the past is NOT equal to current technology.

Any normal and intelligent human with mush and fat in their head at this point would think, "%;;gee what a coincidence. Why was the (;discussed); point has existed in BOTH non-scientific area and scientific area? What's the correlation?" While your post simply stated, "gee Chinese people in the past is stupid for not believing a medically proven facts shared upon scientist all over the world. This is dumb and negative !!"

I can predict you somehow will take my post out of context again to troll. Don't do that, it's rude. READ. Let's have a somewhat intelligent argument here, please?

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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 02:15:28
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If we are talking about ghosts in the traditional sense, a visible, audible entity that is the spirit of the dead and can pass through objects, (;;the kind you see on those god awful ghost hunting shows);;then no, For various reasons
1:;; If they are able to pass through objects then how could could it be possible for them to knock objects off of tables or move them around e.c.t

2:;; Sound is created by vibrations. Now, if a ghost was to talk, they would need something to casue these vibrations.. In all living things its vocal cords.. Now, not having a physical body would mean there are no vocal cords, making speech an impossibly

3:;; Everything we see is either energy or matter. A rainbow which has no physical entity is light, and as everyone who payed attention during science lessons would know, light is energy. Now for a physical shape to form, this light energy would have to be shaped. Nothing in nature shapes light, all anything can do is separate the spectrum, and reflect the light.. Now assuming the light could be shaped in some sense, the physical aspects of the ghost, facial features, arms, legs e.c.t would have to continue until there';s something stopping it... (;;as light travels until its reflected or absorbed by a surface);; meaning the physical shape would be recognisable


ROFLMAO Listening to someone claim science proves something is impossible is like listening to religious fanatics preaching the gospel of a being that exists because, well, they just know he exists so its the truth!
Though I dont claim to be an expert by any means, I doubt science has or ever will be able to prove empirically that spiritual apparitions(;Ghosts);do or do not exist, though they (;scientists); may convince themselves sufficiently to believe or disbelieve quite rabidly.
In the end, we all must choose to believe or disbelieve in our mythological being(;s); in our own way and time...

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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 02:24:13
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I did not mean physically in your head, weirdo. I mean the mind can play many tricks on you. Particularly when you are under stress.

Cheers.

You speak like a drunk man. What the heck is this post supposed to mean while I have presented a referenced post with a point I'd like to be discussed?

Cathead my original replied have somehow see my point, and he has pointed out area I can think out.
You.. Well... Get sober soon.

Cheers.


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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 02:26:28
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Urban legend isn't medical proof. You posted
By Aramis [432256]Additionally, Chinese people in the past has a similar urban legend. Once upon a time, there is a 4th time failures scholar who pray to a judge of hell deity. In short, this deity gave the scholar a new heart and he become like Einstein of that era.

That is the furthest from medically proven, so you get ZERO nickels. For fouallrgetting that you posted it and acting like I am the one at error you get negative nickels.

Cheers.

Basically your whole argument are derived from what you take my post out of context, ignoring the other bigger parts of my post (;have you actually READ something?);

I bolded the part that say "urban legend in the past" which means the era where the Chinese still prays to a statue of their deities and far prior the scientific area. Moreover, it existed as "urban legend", and if you know english or have a dictionary, it means 'myth.. folklore'. Mouth-to-mouth stories.

Basic common sense:; Technology in the past is NOT equal to current technology.

Any normal and intelligent human with mush and fat in their head at this point would think, "%;;gee what a coincidence. Why was the (;discussed); point has existed in BOTH non-scientific area and scientific area? What's the correlation?" While your post simply stated, "gee Chinese people in the past is stupid for not believing a medically proven facts shared upon scientist all over the world. This is dumb and negative !!"

I can predict you somehow will take my post out of context again to troll. Don't do that, it's rude. READ. Let's have a somewhat intelligent argument here, please?


You're bananas.

Out of context? You were presenting your evidence. You said the word "additionally" and referenced the myth, which clearly means you are including it in your evidence.
So you took a myth from a massive pile of other ridiculous myths and acted like it was in some way a help to your argument.

I didn't take anything out of context, I was pointing out that the content didn't belong in the context to start with.

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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 02:30:18
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I did not mean physically in your head, weirdo. I mean the mind can play many tricks on you. Particularly when you are under stress.

Cheers.

You speak like a drunk man. What the heck is this post supposed to mean while I have presented a referenced post with a point I';d like to be discussed?

Cathead my original replied have somehow see my point, and he has pointed out area I can think out.
You.. Well... Get sober soon.

Cheers.


I think other people can understand my post just fine. You still have a lot of work to do before you are proficient enough in this language to have in depth conversations like this without misunderstanding many things.

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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 02:33:58
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You';;re bananas.

Out of context? You were presenting your evidence. You said the word ";;additionally";; and referenced the myth, which clearly means you are including it in your evidence.
So you took a myth from a massive pile of other ridiculous myths and acted like it was in some way a help to your argument.

I didn';;t take anything out of context, I was pointing out that the content didn';;t belong in the context to start with.

If I am banana, you are airhead.

You know nothing about why I';d pick the Chinese out of thousands of other culture. And still being stubborn and fail to learn any correlation between intangible and tangible facts, dismissed everything that doesn';t make scientific sense without outweighing a bit of truth in everything.

I think other people can understand my post just fine. You still have a lot of work to do before you are proficient enough in this language to have in depth conversations like this without misunderstanding many things.

Any drunk people can speak english too. Although incoherent. And the drunks never know themselves speak like that to other people. You're a perfect example.

I am starting to think you are more to trolling than ED. One more reply from you is what I';d take seriously.

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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 02:39:42
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You';;re bananas.

Out of context? You were presenting your evidence. You said the word ";;additionally";; and referenced the myth, which clearly means you are including it in your evidence.
So you took a myth from a massive pile of other ridiculous myths and acted like it was in some way a help to your argument.

I didn';;t take anything out of context, I was pointing out that the content didn';;t belong in the context to start with.

If I am banana, you are airhead.

You know nothing about why I';d pick the Chinese out of thousands of other culture. And still being stubborn and fail to learn any correlation between intangible and tangible facts, dismissed everything that doesn';t make scientific sense without outweighing a bit of truth in everything.

I think other people can understand my post just fine. You still have a lot of work to do before you are proficient enough in this language to have in depth conversations like this without misunderstanding many things.

Any drunk people can speak english too. Although incoherent. And the drunks never know themselves speak like that to other people. You're a perfect example.

I am starting to think you are more to trolling than ED. One more reply from you is what I';d take seriously.


Intangible fact? Is that what you call a myth? Because myth generally means untrue. The opposite of fact. It's listed antonyms are Truth and Verity

So it becomes clear that you are the one trolling, if you are calling myth ANY sort of fact.

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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 06:02:58
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If we are talking about ghosts in the traditional sense, a visible, audible entity that is the spirit of the dead and can pass through objects, (;%;;%;;%;;%;;the kind you see on those god awful ghost hunting shows);%;;%;;%;;%;;then no, For various reasons
1:;%;;%;;%;;%;; If they are able to pass through objects then how could could it be possible for them to knock objects off of tables or move them around e.c.t

2:;%;;%;;%;;%;; Sound is created by vibrations. Now, if a ghost was to talk, they would need something to casue these vibrations.. In all living things its vocal cords.. Now, not having a physical body would mean there are no vocal cords, making speech an impossibly

3:;%;;%;;%;;%;; Everything we see is either energy or matter. A rainbow which has no physical entity is light, and as everyone who payed attention during science lessons would know, light is energy. Now for a physical shape to form, this light energy would have to be shaped. Nothing in nature shapes light, all anything can do is separate the spectrum, and reflect the light.. Now assuming the light could be shaped in some sense, the physical aspects of the ghost, facial features, arms, legs e.c.t would have to continue until there'%;;%;;%;;%;;s something stopping it... (;%;;%;;%;;%;;as light travels until its reflected or absorbed by a surface);%;;%;;%;;%;; meaning the physical shape would be recognisable


ROFLMAO Listening to someone claim science proves something is impossible is like listening to religious fanatics preaching the gospel of a being that exists because, well, they just know he exists so its the truth!
Though I dont claim to be an expert by any means, I doubt science has or ever will be able to prove empirically that spiritual apparitions(;%;;%;;%;;Ghosts);%;;%;;%;;do or do not exist, though they (;%;;%;;%;;scientists);%;;%;;%;; may convince themselves sufficiently to believe or disbelieve quite rabidly.
In the end, we all must choose to believe or disbelieve in our mythological being(;%;;%;;%;;s);%;;%;;%;; in our own way and time...


Well seeing as science is the study of the natural world, by definition science doesnt care about supernatural shit. Until someone actually brings forth some testable evidence to show ghosts exist, as far as science is concerned it is just another an unproven claim like faeries, leprechauns, and bigfoot. That doesnt mean that it cant possibly be true, that just means that there is no good reason to believe that it is.

Some people actually choose to believe things based on whether there is evidence of it or not. Crazy I know...


Just as a side note:; Anyone that has done any type of hallucinogen should comprehend the power of our own brain's ability to distort our perceptions of the world around us. The inaccuracy of eyewitness testimony is pretty good evidence as to why our perceptions should not be trusted in determining the validity of things. :;|o

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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 06:24:34
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You';;re bananas.

Out of context? You were presenting your evidence. You said the word ";;additionally";; and referenced the myth, which clearly means you are including it in your evidence.
So you took a myth from a massive pile of other ridiculous myths and acted like it was in some way a help to your argument.

I didn';;t take anything out of context, I was pointing out that the content didn';;t belong in the context to start with.

If I am banana, you are airhead.

You know nothing about why I';d pick the Chinese out of thousands of other culture. And still being stubborn and fail to learn any correlation between intangible and tangible facts, dismissed everything that doesn';t make scientific sense without outweighing a bit of truth in everything.

I think other people can understand my post just fine. You still have a lot of work to do before you are proficient enough in this language to have in depth conversations like this without misunderstanding many things.

Any drunk people can speak english too. Although incoherent. And the drunks never know themselves speak like that to other people. You're a perfect example.

I am starting to think you are more to trolling than ED. One more reply from you is what I';d take seriously.


Actually the "Myth" is more on your part than anyone elses, all anyone else are doing is giving accounts from their experience which is what the OP asked for whereas you are stating facts that you have never proved from your own experience ergo in this situation you are the one creating false facts and no matter how much you try dress them up in science fact the science fact isn't something you ever proved or even understand as far as I can see. Schrödinger made a valid argument about a cat being both alive and dead based on the observation of a waveform and after 50 years (;and countless experiments); he was proven right when everyone was saying he was wrong so pull your arse out of your head there love


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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 09:39:38
The difference being that Schrodinger's cat was a thought experiment based on Einsteins theories and mathematical equations that he used to illustrate what he saw as a paradox in quantum mechanics which was independently verified through experimentation, and ghosts are based on anecdotal evidence of people saying they saw something spooky which has never been independently verified even though people have been claiming they exist for centuries and despite who knows how many people trying to through "countless experiments".

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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:04:07
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Actually the ";Myth"; is more on your part than anyone elses, all anyone else are doing is giving accounts from their experience which is what the OP asked for whereas you are stating facts that you have never proved from your own experience ergo in this situation you are the one creating false facts and no matter how much you try dress them up in science fact the science fact isn';t something you ever proved or even understand as far as I can see. Schrödinger made a valid argument about a cat being both alive and dead based on the observation of a waveform and after 50 years (;;and countless experiments);; he was proven right when everyone was saying he was wrong so pull your arse out of your head there love


it's quite remarkable how you could get that cat into this topic to try to prove a point and fail that bad.

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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:35:26
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Well seeing as science is the study of the natural world, by definition science doesnt care about supernatural shit. Until someone actually brings forth some testable evidence to show ghosts exist, as far as science is concerned it is just another an unproven claim like faeries, leprechauns, and bigfoot. That doesnt mean that it cant possibly be true, that just means that there is no good reason to believe that it is.

Some people actually choose to believe things based on whether there is evidence of it or not. Crazy I know...




Which goes a long way towards saying thst science in your sense is a deaf and blind man who - unequipped to perceive sound or colours, insists that there is no such thing as sund or colours, and that treats such ideas as superstition.

What rhe deaf and blind man should be saying is that it is a topic of which he knows nothing, cannot know anything, and has absolutely no useful contribution to make.


Just as a side note:;; Anyone that has done any type of hallucinogen should comprehend the power of our own brain';s ability to distort our perceptions of the world around us. The inaccuracy of eyewitness testimony is pretty good evidence as to why our perceptions should not be trusted in determining the validity of things.

The inability of your conception of science to either confirm or deny the existence of ghosts is likewise pretty good evidence as to why it should not be trusted in determining the vslidity of things.

Some people actually choose to believe things based on whether there is evidence of it or not. Crazy I know...

And thus we come to the remarkable story of a man who presented evidence that 911 was an inside job.
Loads of that shite at infowars.
Crazy indeed. Treasonous too.

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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 13:17:40
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If we are talking about ghosts in the traditional sense, a visible, audible entity that is the spirit of the dead and can pass through objects, (;;;;the kind you see on those god awful ghost hunting shows);;;;then no, For various reasons
1:;;;; If they are able to pass through objects then how could could it be possible for them to knock objects off of tables or move them around e.c.t

2:;;;; Sound is created by vibrations. Now, if a ghost was to talk, they would need something to casue these vibrations.. In all living things its vocal cords.. Now, not having a physical body would mean there are no vocal cords, making speech an impossibly

3:;;;; Everything we see is either energy or matter. A rainbow which has no physical entity is light, and as everyone who payed attention during science lessons would know, light is energy. Now for a physical shape to form, this light energy would have to be shaped. Nothing in nature shapes light, all anything can do is separate the spectrum, and reflect the light.. Now assuming the light could be shaped in some sense, the physical aspects of the ghost, facial features, arms, legs e.c.t would have to continue until there';;;s something stopping it... (;;;;as light travels until its reflected or absorbed by a surface);;;; meaning the physical shape would be recognisable



OK this isn';;t from my experience but my other halves, She knows a lot of answers to these questions because werid shit happens to her ALL the time.

1. ";;Ghosts";;/";;Spirits";; don';;t ";;Pass through objects";;, most of what people are seeing in those cases are past images that a building recorded (;;;for lack of a better word);;; which is why loads of different people will see the same ";;Ghost";; doing the same repetative act at loads of different times, people see them floating through walls but at some point in the past that part of that wall might have been a door so all they are seeing is basically a
recording of past events that plays over and over again.

2. Sound works the same way, most old buildings contained a lot of metal, 8 track tapes worked by using rust on the tape to record and reproduce sound so it is possible that the corroding metal in buildings could in a way record sounds too.

3. Her again, A rainbow is whats known as ";;A lie to Children";;, you claim nothing can shape light but put a torch in a box full of water and cut a hole in it and let the water flow out and the light from the torch will bend to follow the path of the water, It is a proven experiment. Also you believe that rainbows are the product of raindro;ps but did you ever ask yourself how all those raindro;ps know how to organise that light into the curved shape or how they know to curve it? no you just accept that because thats what you are taught, as a kid you are taught rainbows curve because everyone knows rainbows are suppose to curve and dragons don';;t breath fire because they have asbestos lungs, dragons breath fire because everyone knows dragons are suppose to breath fire, it isn';;t fact it is a narrative, most of human assumptions is based on narrative and most of narratives are based on ";;Lie';;s to kids";;. It is only as you get older that it can be built upon to slowly bring you to the real reason for why rainbows bend or why grass is green.



First bold part - How? What is causing that image to be generated?

Second bold part - Again how? Even if something could possibly record a sound, it needs dedicated equipment to reproduce what is recorded, you can';t just put your ear to a record and hear music.

Third - This is an absolute fustercluck of a misunderstanding of physics, the light IS NOT bending, photons are basically bouncing around in straight lines in the water stream until they leave it and hit the photoreceptors in your eye. Although you perceive the light to be bent, it is not. If that were that were the case it would mean ANY bent object could be said to be bending light.

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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 15:19:40
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If we are talking about ghosts in the traditional sense, a visible, audible entity that is the spirit of the dead and can pass through objects, (;%;;%;;%;;%;;the kind you see on those god awful ghost hunting shows);%;;%;;%;;%;;then no, For various reasons
1:;%;;%;;%;;%;; If they are able to pass through objects then how could could it be possible for them to knock objects off of tables or move them around e.c.t

2:;%;;%;;%;;%;; Sound is created by vibrations. Now, if a ghost was to talk, they would need something to casue these vibrations.. In all living things its vocal cords.. Now, not having a physical body would mean there are no vocal cords, making speech an impossibly

3:;%;;%;;%;;%;; Everything we see is either energy or matter. A rainbow which has no physical entity is light, and as everyone who payed attention during science lessons would know, light is energy. Now for a physical shape to form, this light energy would have to be shaped. Nothing in nature shapes light, all anything can do is separate the spectrum, and reflect the light.. Now assuming the light could be shaped in some sense, the physical aspects of the ghost, facial features, arms, legs e.c.t would have to continue until there'%;;%;;%;;%;;s something stopping it... (;%;;%;;%;;%;;as light travels until its reflected or absorbed by a surface);%;;%;;%;;%;; meaning the physical shape would be recognisable


ROFLMAO Listening to someone claim science proves something is impossible is like listening to religious fanatics preaching the gospel of a being that exists because, well, they just know he exists so its the truth!
Though I dont claim to be an expert by any means, I doubt science has or ever will be able to prove empirically that spiritual apparitions(;%;;%;;%;;Ghosts);%;;%;;%;;do or do not exist, though they (;%;;%;;%;;scientists);%;;%;;%;; may convince themselves sufficiently to believe or disbelieve quite rabidly.
In the end, we all must choose to believe or disbelieve in our mythological being(;%;;%;;%;;s);%;;%;;%;; in our own way and time...


I stopped reading after that dreadfully childish, outdated acronym.
Also everyone knows that Aramis copy and pastes everything he writes from wikipedia, which is why 99%;%;; of it is utter tripe.

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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 17:32:18
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Well seeing as science is the study of the natural world, by definition science doesnt care about supernatural shit. Until someone actually brings forth some testable evidence to show ghosts exist, as far as science is concerned it is just another an unproven claim like faeries, leprechauns, and bigfoot. That doesnt mean that it cant possibly be true, that just means that there is no good reason to believe that it is.

Some people actually choose to believe things based on whether there is evidence of it or not. Crazy I know...




Which goes a long way towards saying thst science in your sense is a deaf and blind man who - unequipped to perceive sound or colours, insists that there is no such thing as sund or colours, and that treats such ideas as superstition.

What rhe deaf and blind man should be saying is that it is a topic of which he knows nothing, cannot know anything, and has absolutely no useful contribution to make.


Just as a side note:;; Anyone that has done any type of hallucinogen should comprehend the power of our own brain';s ability to distort our perceptions of the world around us. The inaccuracy of eyewitness testimony is pretty good evidence as to why our perceptions should not be trusted in determining the validity of things.

The inability of your conception of science to either confirm or deny the existence of ghosts is likewise pretty good evidence as to why it should not be trusted in determining the vslidity of things.

Some people actually choose to believe things based on whether there is evidence of it or not. Crazy I know...

And thus we come to the remarkable story of a man who presented evidence that 911 was an inside job.
Loads of that shite at infowars.
Crazy indeed. Treasonous too.


Lol. You are so full of shit its come out of your ears.

Is that supposed to be an argument or something?

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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 17:44:35
He's saying that science isn't equipped to detect ghosts.

Which is clearly a cop out. Obviously science isn't great for detecting something that doesn't exist.

Ghosts aren't real.

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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 17:53:05
CBS News poll
DO YOU BELIEVE IN GHOSTS?
Yes
48%;
No
45%;
Women are more likely to say they believe in ghosts than are men:;%;;%;; 56 percent of women believe, while 38 percent of men do. More than half of younger Americans aged 18 to 45 believe in ghosts%;; those over 45 are less likely.

More than one in five Americans says they have seen a ghost themselves, or have felt themselves to be in the presence of one.

HAVE YOU PERSONALLY SEEN OR FELT THE PRESENCE OF A GHOST?
Yes
22%;
No
77%;
On this question, too, there are age and gender differences. Women are about twice as likely as men to say they have seen a ghost. More than one-quarter of younger Americans under 45 say they have encountered one; those over 45 are much less likely to say this.


I find that odd. Older people are much less likely to have experienced it? Well that is contrary to logic. In twice as many years you should have twice the likelihood of encountering a ghost, not half as likely.

Another oddity, though less so, is that the people that have NOT felt the presence of a ghost and believe outnumber the people that have felt the presence of a ghost.

So 26%; just blindly trust the word of the 22%; that claim they felt a ghost?

Weird stuff.

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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 18:06:16
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He';s saying that science isn';t equipped to detect ghosts.

Which is clearly a cop out. Obviously science isn';t great for detecting something that doesn';t exist.

Ghosts aren';t real.


Right. And I said that the default position of science is to not to believe something unless there is evidence for it. So until someone brings forth evidence that can be tested, science doesnt really give a shit about ghosts in general. It doesnt claim that it is true or not true, just that it is another unproven claim to which there is no evidence to form an opinion on.

On a more personal scale, most scientists dont believe in ghosts themselves because there has never been any evidence that anything supernatural ever happens. Chasing after supernatural crap is inherently unscientific to begin with. :;|o

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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 18:30:46
OK op I assume you didn't want all this pissing contest of who is right and who is wrong so getting back on topic I have never had any real "ghostly" experiences but my other half has and they were confirmed to me by her parents so I believe her, once she was four and was going to the shops with her parents and got out of her pram and started talking to no one, her parents gave out to her and put her back in her pram and she told them that she was talking to the man that lives in the top floor of a flat they were walking by and he told her that that night he was going to die in a fire, they told her to shut up but the next day they found out that the previous night (;after she had been talking to no one); the top floor of the building went on fire and an old man died of smoke inhalation in the flat she had pointed out.

Another time something was happening (;I won't say what); but her dad was in work and she said to others that her dad was going to come home drunk with a broken arm and her uncle would be with him and 2 hours later they both showed up and they were both drunk and her dad had his arm in a cast from an accident he had earlier that day in work.

We live in a very old (;actually quite famous in IRA terms); building and she talks to a ghost all the time that she calls "Eve", I've never seen Eve but sometimes weird things happen like the kettle will just turn itself on or lights will turn on on their own or doors will bang, it can be very freaky at times but she just laughs and says "f**k off Eve, give it a rest" . It is honestly weird how normal she finds shit like that to be lol

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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 18:57:47
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He'%;;%;;%;;s saying that science isn'%;;%;;%;;t equipped to detect ghosts.

Which is clearly a cop out. Obviously science isn'%;;%;;%;;t great for detecting something that doesn'%;;%;;%;;t exist.

Ghosts aren'%;;%;;%;;t real.



How do you know?
I am rather scptic that ghosts exist.
Never seen them - and do not expect them.
I can think of a lot of psychological explanations for sighting of ghosts thus far.

But physics can neither conform nor deny the hypothesis.
Maybe psychology can settle the matter- but not physics.

Meanwhile, physics-as-a-branch of academia exists by the grace of Regulation and Budgets, by and large set by politicians at the nation state level.
Let its practioners form a very narrow niche focus on solving problems that the State wants solved.

How to combat climate chang will be useful.
As will be better means of surveillance over obnoxious dissidents.
And need we mention Fusion?
Physicists are not indepedent agents - they are tools for a job assigned to them by their superiors.

They exist to be servants.


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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 19:25:24
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OK op I assume you didn';t want all this pissing contest of who is right and who is wrong so getting back on topic I have never had any real ";ghostly"; experiences but my other half has and they were confirmed to me by her parents so I believe her, once she was four and was going to the shops with her parents and got out of her pram and started talking to no one, her parents gave out to her and put her back in her pram and she told them that she was talking to the man that lives in the top floor of a flat they were walking by and he told her that that night he was going to die in a fire, they told her to shut up but the next day they found out that the previous night (;;after she had been talking to no one);; the top floor of the building went on fire and an old man died of smoke inhalation in the flat she had pointed out.

Another time something was happening (;;I won';t say what);; but her dad was in work and she said to others that her dad was going to come home drunk with a broken arm and her uncle would be with him and 2 hours later they both showed up and they were both drunk and her dad had his arm in a cast from an accident he had earlier that day in work.

We live in a very old (;;actually quite famous in IRA terms);; building and she talks to a ghost all the time that she calls ";Eve";, I';ve never seen Eve but sometimes weird things happen like the kettle will just turn itself on or lights will turn on on their own or doors will bang, it can be very freaky at times but she just laughs and says ";f**k off Eve, give it a rest"; . It is honestly weird how normal she finds shit like that to be lol


Yep, sometimes electronics mess up. And yep, earlier today a door in my house blew shut.
Ghosts... We all have ways of coping with stress, and for some people it manifests in voices or visions. But that's a brain thing.
I was just watching a game and I'd swear I saw the guy tag the runner... Replay showed that he didn't, that it was obvious that he didn't and there was no way you could perceive that he did, but my mind wanted him to be tagged out, and I clearly saw it, I can even recall the picture it happening. But it didn't. The mind is a complicated thing, and it playing tricks on people is extremely commonplace.

And the thing with her dad's broken arm? Anecdotal evidence from someone I don't know, about something they didn't witness... Strange how that's most ghost testimony. I've had a lot of fun trying to pin people down, even the people that claim sightings hem and haw a lot when you ask questions. A few don't, but they are generally the nutjobs, with a few habitual liars thrown in.

It's fine that you believe her about the ghosts, if you aren't trolling like you sometimes do, but it is sometimes worthwhile to consider that it could have been her brain dealing with trauma.

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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 19:34:03
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He is saying that science is not equipped to detect ghosts.

Which is clearly a cop out. Obviously science is not great for detecting something that doesn';;;t exist.

Ghosts are not real.



How do you know?
I am rather scptic that ghosts exist.
Never seen them - and do not expect them.
I can think of a lot of psychological explanations for sighting of ghosts thus far.

But physics can neither conform nor deny the hypothesis.
Maybe psychology can settle the matter- but not physics.


Then how wonderful it is that I did not say physics could settle the matter.
A complete lack of real evidence over how many centuries?
With how many people trying to prove it?
Good enough for me. I am not writing a book defining what physics can prove.
I am posting my opinion. Obviously.

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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 20:44:11
No. Don't you think that if there were really ghosts there would be no question about it? People take fictional horror stories too seriously...


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OK op I assume you didn';;t want all this pissing contest of who is right and who is wrong so getting back on topic I have never had any real ";;ghostly";; experiences but my other half has and they were confirmed to me by her parents so I believe her, once she was four and was going to the shops with her parents and got out of her pram and started talking to no one, her parents gave out to her and put her back in her pram and she told them that she was talking to the man that lives in the top floor of a flat they were walking by and he told her that that night he was going to die in a fire, they told her to shut up but the next day they found out that the previous night (;;;after she had been talking to no one);;; the top floor of the building went on fire and an old man died of smoke inhalation in the flat she had pointed out.

Another time something was happening (;;;I won';;t say what);;; but her dad was in work and she said to others that her dad was going to come home drunk with a broken arm and her uncle would be with him and 2 hours later they both showed up and they were both drunk and her dad had his arm in a cast from an accident he had earlier that day in work.

We live in a very old (;;;actually quite famous in IRA terms);;; building and she talks to a ghost all the time that she calls ";;Eve";;, I';;ve never seen Eve but sometimes weird things happen like the kettle will just turn itself on or lights will turn on on their own or doors will bang, it can be very freaky at times but she just laughs and says ";;f**k off Eve, give it a rest";; . It is honestly weird how normal she finds shit like that to be lol


Yep, sometimes electronics mess up. And yep, earlier today a door in my house blew shut.
Ghosts... We all have ways of coping with stress, and for some people it manifests in voices or visions. But that';s a brain thing.
I was just watching a game and I';d swear I saw the guy tag the runner... Replay showed that he didn';t, that it was obvious that he didn';t and there was no way you could perceive that he did, but my mind wanted him to be tagged out, and I clearly saw it, I can even recall the picture it happening. But it didn';t. The mind is a complicated thing, and it playing tricks on people is extremely commonplace.

And the thing with her dad';s broken arm? Anecdotal evidence from someone I don';t know, about something they didn';t witness... Strange how that';s most ghost testimony. I';ve had a lot of fun trying to pin people down, even the people that claim sightings hem and haw a lot when you ask questions. A few don';t, but they are generally the nutjobs, with a few habitual liars thrown in.

It';s fine that you believe her about the ghosts, if you aren';t trolling like you sometimes do, but it is sometimes worthwhile to consider that it could have been her brain dealing with trauma.


She was four and predicted a guy dying 12 hours before it happened, what "trauma" could iniciate that? this is called a circular argument where no matter what person A says person B will always dispute and neither are in the right or the wrong since person A can never prove they are right and person B can never prove that person A is wrong ergo it goes in circles. I'm not arsed, if the thread gets back on track I'll add more to it but if it stays on this track I genuinely can't be arsed


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Posted on Sat Jun 15, 2013 02:31:07
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But physics can neither conform nor deny the hypothesis.
Maybe psychology can settle the matter- but not physics.



First of all, it is not a hypothesis. It is a claim that has no evidence to back it up. A hypothesis is a testable claim, which the existence of ghosts is not. Until you have a testable claim that can give some sort of actual evidence, science doesnt give a shit about it. The only evidence there is for ghosts is anecdotal, which is completely useless in the realm of science.

Well no shit. Science is the study of the natural world, not the supernatural world (;for the 3rd time);.

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