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Posted on Sat May 11, 2013 14:37:32
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The original poster is a retard lame troll attempt.



No it wasn't a troll attempt. I was just simply stating a fact.


The original poster is a troll. Not you. He may well also be retarded, but trolling is the name of the game here.

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Posted on Sat May 11, 2013 17:58:27
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The original poster is a retard lame troll attempt.



No it wasn't a troll attempt. I was just simply stating a fact.


The original poster is a troll. Not you. He may well also be retarded, but trolling is the name of the game here.


No, it's Torn.

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Posted on Sat May 11, 2013 18:38:23
How does a minimum wage prevent you from using your mad negotiation skills to earn what you say you are worth?

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Posted on Sat May 11, 2013 18:41:33
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How does a minimum wage prevent you from using your mad negotiation skills to earn what you say you are worth?


i explained this already read the thread but heres how mate.

current interview

boss- we'll pay you minimum since everyone else pays that
employee- ok.

WITHOUT MINIMUM WAGE INTERview

boss- theres no wage everyone pays so lets negotiate one using negotiations
employee- ok here are my great negotiation skills pay me 15 an hour cheers
boss- ok.

see the difference?

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Posted on Sat May 11, 2013 21:34:40
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How does a minimum wage prevent you from using your mad negotiation skills to earn what you say you are worth?


i explained this already read the thread but heres how mate.

current interview

boss- we'll pay you minimum since everyone else pays that
employee- ok.

WITHOUT MINIMUM WAGE INTERview

boss- theres no wage everyone pays so lets negotiate one using negotiations
employee- ok here are my great negotiation skills pay me 15 an hour cheers
boss- ok.

see the difference?


and again I tell you, hoping you address to it this time, if you really think that's how it goes without a minimum wage, you have absolutely no idea why it was created in the first place.

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Posted on Sat May 11, 2013 22:03:49
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How does a minimum wage prevent you from using your mad negotiation skills to earn what you say you are worth?


i explained this already read the thread but heres how mate.

current interview

boss- we'll pay you minimum since everyone else pays that
employee- ok.

WITHOUT MINIMUM WAGE INTERview

boss- theres no wage everyone pays so lets negotiate one using negotiations
employee- ok here are my great negotiation skills pay me 15 an hour cheers
boss- ok.

see the difference?


and again I tell you, hoping you address to it this time, if you really think that's how it goes without a minimum wage, you have absolutely no idea why it was created in the first place.


lmao minimum wage was created because with out it it looks like this

MAJORITY of WORKers

boss- lets negotiate a wage
worker- i have no negotiation skills so how about 1 dollar a day?
boss- ok.

WORKERS who can NEGOTIATE (i fall in this category the majority of people are above)

boss- lets negotiate
me- 15 dollars
boss- ok.

obvious short example but read above for full example.

minimum wage was created for those who have no NEGOTIATE SKILLS!!!!! for the majority of people minumim is good! but for teh elite like me it ACTUALLY hurt!!!!

see? we arent doing leg transplants here


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Posted on Sat May 11, 2013 22:40:04
sure we aren't but the question remains: why didn't you use those awesome negotiation skills you claim to have so you could make more money than your manager?

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Posted on Sat May 11, 2013 22:54:41
So abolishing minimum wage would make you be paid more? You don't make sense at all. I don't even think you have a job. I think you are 12 years old.

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Posted on Sat May 11, 2013 23:21:43
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So abolishing minimum wage would make you be paid more? You don't make sense at all. I don't even think you have a job. I think you are 12 years old.


Next point to ponder: Should we abolish child labor laws so 12 years old can work?

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Posted on Sat May 11, 2013 23:26:45
Working at minimum wage sucks, cause the subliminal message your employer is giving you is ''I'd pay you less, but you know.. it's illegal''.

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Posted on Sat May 11, 2013 23:27:14
How the hell did the OP get a job in the first place? The piece of sheep shit currently residing on the bottom of my shoe is more intelligent than this idiot.

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Posted on Sat May 11, 2013 23:39:48
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sure we aren't but the question remains: why didn't you use those awesome negotiation skills you claim to have so you could make more money than your manager?


theyre is no negotiation if theyre is minimum wage.

without it there HAS to be a negotiation this is simple.

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So abolishing minimum wage would make you be paid more? You don't make sense at all. I don't even think you have a job. I think you are 12 years old.


Next point to ponder: Should we abolish child labor laws so 12 years old can work?


no they should not. because work is FUN. if you make people wait longer to work they will work harder since they appreciate it. its like making kids wait for christmas

i would love to debate this with you mate



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Posted on Sat May 11, 2013 23:52:26
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i would love to debate this with you mate


I actually think keeping young children out of the work place is best too, but for very different reasons than what you shared above.



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Posted on Sat May 11, 2013 23:53:59
How does a set minmum remove the negotiation?

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Posted on Sun May 12, 2013 00:00:34
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i dont think their should be a minimum wage cause i only got paid minimumat mcdonalds when i worked there
and if there wasnt a minimum i would be able to be paid more, since i am worth more


Like others stated if there was no minimum wage then employers would be paying their employees less then of more. No matter how good your negotiation skills are as you claim to have.

And self evaluation of how much one is worth is not a great mentality to have in the workplace otherwise your not going to find yourself employed for long.

And if he's trolling or not thought i'd say my peice about this.

Since nobody can read my profile. No I do not want to join your faction nor do I plan to in the future. Your just wasting both of our time.
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Posted on Sun May 12, 2013 00:06:39
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How does a set minmum remove the negotiation?


there HAS to be a negotiation if there is no minimum. no matter what. there HAS to be no MATTER what

with a minimum the boss can just say here is the wage we dont need to negotiate.

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Posted on Sun May 12, 2013 00:29:05
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How does a set minmum remove the negotiation?


there HAS to be a negotiation if there is no minimum. no matter what. there HAS to be no MATTER what

with a minimum the boss can just say here is the wage we dont need to negotiate.


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With no minimum they can say the same thing but with a lower wage! Your point is invalid.

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Posted on Sun May 12, 2013 00:35:44
The minimum wage should be as big the average wage. Except the immigrants without a college diploma, they are a waste of oxygen.

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Posted on Sun May 12, 2013 00:36:12
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How does a set minmum remove the negotiation?


there HAS to be a negotiation if there is no minimum. no matter what. there HAS to be no MATTER what

with a minimum the boss can just say here is the wage we dont need to negotiate.


....

With no minimum they can say the same thing but with a lower wage! Your point is invalid.



you are CORRECT. but WRONG at the same time. let me explain.

in youre idea the boss does the same thing with a lower wage lets see what happens

this is with good negotiate skills

boss- im going to pay you 1 dollar an hour or leave
worker with good negotiate- ok i want 15
boss- no i can hire someone else for 1 dollar
worker- ok i will go to youre competitor and they will pay me 15
boss- oh no you are a good employee i dont want you working for him i will pay the 15
worker- ok

see how it works?


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Posted on Sun May 12, 2013 00:40:06
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How does a set minmum remove the negotiation?


there HAS to be a negotiation if there is no minimum. no matter what. there HAS to be no MATTER what

with a minimum the boss can just say here is the wage we dont need to negotiate.


....

With no minimum they can say the same thing but with a lower wage! Your point is invalid.



you are CORRECT. but WRONG at the same time. let me explain.

in youre idea the boss does the same thing with a lower wage lets see what happens

this is with good negotiate skills

boss- im going to pay you 1 dollar an hour or leave
worker with good negotiate- ok i want 15
boss- no i can hire someone else for 1 dollar
worker- ok i will go to youre competitor and they will pay me 15
boss- oh no you are a good employee i dont want you working for him i will pay the 15
worker- ok

see how it works?


Or let's look at it from a real life perspective:

Boss- You will now be paid $1/hour.
Worker- No way! I want better wages!
Boss- Ok your fired, I'll just replace you with the millions of unemployed.
Worker- I'll go work at your competitor!
Boss- Why would they pay you more when they can do the same as I am?
Worker- Crap! I can't lose my job, i'll be repossessed!
Boss- Too bad
Worker- Fine I will take the $1

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Posted on Sun May 12, 2013 00:41:01
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How does a set minmum remove the negotiation?


there HAS to be a negotiation if there is no minimum. no matter what. there HAS to be no MATTER what

with a minimum the boss can just say here is the wage we dont need to negotiate.


....

With no minimum they can say the same thing but with a lower wage! Your point is invalid.



you are CORRECT. but WRONG at the same time. let me explain.

in youre idea the boss does the same thing with a lower wage lets see what happens

this is with good negotiate skills

boss- im going to pay you 1 dollar an hour or leave
worker with good negotiate- ok i want 15
boss- no i can hire someone else for 1 dollar
worker- ok i will go to youre competitor and they will pay me 15
boss- oh no you are a good employee i dont want you working for him i will pay the 15

worker- ok

see how it works?


Reality:

worker- ok i will go to youre competitor and they will pay me 15
boss- ok they will probably give you 1 dollar too because they see no reason why shouldnt they give you 1 dollar like me


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Posted on Sun May 12, 2013 00:43:57
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How does a set minmum remove the negotiation?


there HAS to be a negotiation if there is no minimum. no matter what. there HAS to be no MATTER what

with a minimum the boss can just say here is the wage we dont need to negotiate.


....

With no minimum they can say the same thing but with a lower wage! Your point is invalid.



you are CORRECT. but WRONG at the same time. let me explain.

in youre idea the boss does the same thing with a lower wage lets see what happens

this is with good negotiate skills

boss- im going to pay you 1 dollar an hour or leave
worker with good negotiate- ok i want 15
boss- no i can hire someone else for 1 dollar
worker- ok i will go to youre competitor and they will pay me 15
boss- oh no you are a good employee i dont want you working for him i will pay the 15

worker- ok

see how it works?


Reality:

worker- ok i will go to youre competitor and they will pay me 15
boss- ok they will probably give you 1 dollar too because they see no reason why shouldnt they give you 1 dollar like me



ok this is making an ASSUMPTION.

this means ALL companies pay the same!!!! is this going to happen in real life? do you think mcdonalds is going to call wendys every time they hire an employee and see how much they are paying? no that doesnt MAKE sense!!!!!

so in a fairy tale THIS might work but in the real WORLD this IS not likely

cheers


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Posted on Sun May 12, 2013 00:44:52
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How does a set minmum remove the negotiation?


there HAS to be a negotiation if there is no minimum. no matter what. there HAS to be no MATTER what

with a minimum the boss can just say here is the wage we dont need to negotiate.


....

With no minimum they can say the same thing but with a lower wage! Your point is invalid.



you are CORRECT. but WRONG at the same time. let me explain.

in youre idea the boss does the same thing with a lower wage lets see what happens

this is with good negotiate skills

boss- im going to pay you 1 dollar an hour or leave
worker with good negotiate- ok i want 15
boss- no i can hire someone else for 1 dollar
worker- ok i will go to youre competitor and they will pay me 15
boss- oh no you are a good employee i dont want you working for him i will pay the 15
worker- ok

see how it works?


Or let's look at it from a real life perspective:

Boss- You will now be paid $1/hour.
Worker- No way! I want better wages!
Boss- Ok your fired, I'll just replace you with the millions of unemployed.
Worker- I'll go work at your competitor!
Boss- Why would they pay you more when they can do the same as I am?
Worker- Crap! I can't lose my job, i'll be repossessed!
Boss- Too bad
Worker- Fine I will take the $1


great example of a worker without good negotiate

i would not be like this because i have good negotiate


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Posted on Sun May 12, 2013 00:50:47
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How does a set minmum remove the negotiation?


there HAS to be a negotiation if there is no minimum. no matter what. there HAS to be no MATTER what

with a minimum the boss can just say here is the wage we dont need to negotiate.


....

With no minimum they can say the same thing but with a lower wage! Your point is invalid.



you are CORRECT. but WRONG at the same time. let me explain.

in youre idea the boss does the same thing with a lower wage lets see what happens

this is with good negotiate skills

boss- im going to pay you 1 dollar an hour or leave
worker with good negotiate- ok i want 15
boss- no i can hire someone else for 1 dollar
worker- ok i will go to youre competitor and they will pay me 15
boss- oh no you are a good employee i dont want you working for him i will pay the 15
worker- ok

see how it works?


Or let's look at it from a real life perspective:

Boss- You will now be paid $1/hour.
Worker- No way! I want better wages!
Boss- Ok your fired, I'll just replace you with the millions of unemployed.
Worker- I'll go work at your competitor!
Boss- Why would they pay you more when they can do the same as I am?
Worker- Crap! I can't lose my job, i'll be repossessed!
Boss- Too bad
Worker- Fine I will take the $1


great example of a worker without good negotiate

i would not be like this because i have good negotiate




Yes- we know that already.
But minimal wage is to secure less bright workers, those without their perfect egotiation skills. So those who after:
[...]
boss: You will now be paid $1/hour.
[...]
will say
Worker- eee sure boss, you know Im straving and...
Boss- yeah I know, so you work? Or gtfo.

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Posted on Sun May 12, 2013 00:54:30
Are you a complete an utter idiot.
Minimum wage is to secure people a standard hourly rate. If there was no minimum wage employees would pay nothing. You think you have good negotiation skills and could get an extra however much an hour. The boss would tell you to f**k off and hire someone willing to work for his hourly rate. You're on a shit wage because you work at McDonalds.

Blah!
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Posted on Sun May 12, 2013 01:01:26
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How does a set minmum remove the negotiation?


there HAS to be a negotiation if there is no minimum. no matter what. there HAS to be no MATTER what

with a minimum the boss can just say here is the wage we dont need to negotiate.


....

With no minimum they can say the same thing but with a lower wage! Your point is invalid.



you are CORRECT. but WRONG at the same time. let me explain.

in youre idea the boss does the same thing with a lower wage lets see what happens

this is with good negotiate skills

boss- im going to pay you 1 dollar an hour or leave
worker with good negotiate- ok i want 15
boss- no i can hire someone else for 1 dollar
worker- ok i will go to youre competitor and they will pay me 15
boss- oh no you are a good employee i dont want you working for him i will pay the 15
worker- ok

see how it works?


Or let's look at it from a real life perspective:

Boss- You will now be paid $1/hour.
Worker- No way! I want better wages!
Boss- Ok your fired, I'll just replace you with the millions of unemployed.
Worker- I'll go work at your competitor!
Boss- Why would they pay you more when they can do the same as I am?
Worker- Crap! I can't lose my job, i'll be repossessed!
Boss- Too bad
Worker- Fine I will take the $1


great example of a worker without good negotiate

i would not be like this because i have good negotiate




Yes- we know that already.
But minimal wage is to secure less bright workers, those without their perfect egotiation skills. So those who after:
[...]
boss: You will now be paid $1/hour.
[...]
will say
Worker- eee sure boss, you know Im straving and...
Boss- yeah I know, so you work? Or gtfo.




i agree like i said earlier the minimum helps the MAJORITY of people because the majority of people DO not have good negotiate like me.

so while it hurts the elite like me it helps THE majority


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Posted on Sun May 12, 2013 01:02:37
i think just reading this thread has drastically reduced my IQ. is it possible to catch 'stupid'...?

i need to go and wash myself.

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Posted on Sun May 12, 2013 01:04:28
Good- so we are about to end the debate soon cause:
ta da!
Democracy as a rule of majority means that majority will practicly always win,
majority wants minimal wages, majority needs minimal wage.
And those elite- they will always find a well paid job, cause they are payed really high because of their skills.

hint: just stop working to Mac and find a real job Where you be paid adeqautely to your skills


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Posted on Sun May 12, 2013 01:09:30
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Good- so we are about to end the debate soon cause:
ta da!
Democracy as a rule of majority means that majority will practicly always win,
majority wants minimal wages, majority needs minimal wage.
And those elite- they will always find a well paid job, cause they are payed really high because of their skills.

hint: just stop working to Mac and find a real job Where you be paid adeqautely to your skills


but have you ever heard of survival of the fit?

if you take away a minimum only the best elite negotiate will get the good pay

this means our workforce will only have the best so we will be more productive you see?

so in the short term it would hurt but the long term would be very nice

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