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Posted on Wed May 08, 2013 19:59:38
This isn't 1830, I voted no.

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Posted on Wed May 08, 2013 20:12:22
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From opinion polls and the news, I've gained the impression that the majority of the United Kingdom are completely opposed to participating the EU fully and we're just constantly slamming the breaks on what the EU wants to achieve. I think the EU is better off without the UK and the UK would be better off without the EU, provided we can agree a trade agreement with them after we left. (Without trade, I think we'd all be worse off.)

In my opinion, having foreigners from other countries coming here to live and work is a good thing. I just don't see the point in being a half arsed member of the group - we should be in the EU properly or not at all. Internationally, the UK is a sulky child sat in the corner that doesn't want to play with the other children. If we don't like our current friends, we should go out and find some others rather than pretending to fit in.


In all fairness that's not really true, we signed up for something we're not really getting anymore. We certainly didn't sign up to being governed by other nations.


So UK did sign in to get freebies? I guess all the fathers of UE idea were thinking of freebies only. Also, the states that joined first (not even UE, but ECSC) must have think of freebies only. But there is a problem- if everyone one wants something- there is noone to provide it.

joining UE is an obligation, it gives state better coditions of trade etc. but it also demands something from parties. joining any kind of deal or organisation is an obligation. You take something, you give something.

The goals of European unity (or I should say the idea of unity itself) evolved a lot from 1950's so now its not about economy only. I would point culture, science, and other social functions in the first place.

Leaving EU (sorry if I used UE before, but its from my national language) by any state NOW is just a bad decission. None of the states will get anything back. So if any state decides to leave= they just loose everything they paid/gave etc. for all the years they were in the UE.
Even if there is crisis in Europe or in the organisation- sooner or later Europe will overcome it and everything will get back on track.

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Posted on Wed May 08, 2013 20:33:13
By Stain92 [1040302]

In all fairness that's not really true, we signed up for something we're not really getting anymore. We certainly didn't sign up to being governed by other nations.


You make a good point. Regardless of why we initially joined, I just see the what Britain wants the EU to be now and what everyone else wants the the EU to be now as two very different things. As we're in the minority, I think we're best just letting them get on with it and everyone will be happier

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So UK did sign in to get freebies?


Apparently we went in to screw the French.

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Posted on Wed May 08, 2013 20:35:57
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From opinion polls and the news, I've gained the impression that the majority of the United Kingdom are completely opposed to participating the EU fully and we're just constantly slamming the breaks on what the EU wants to achieve. I think the EU is better off without the UK and the UK would be better off without the EU, provided we can agree a trade agreement with them after we left. (Without trade, I think we'd all be worse off.)

In my opinion, having foreigners from other countries coming here to live and work is a good thing. I just don't see the point in being a half arsed member of the group - we should be in the EU properly or not at all. Internationally, the UK is a sulky child sat in the corner that doesn't want to play with the other children. If we don't like our current friends, we should go out and find some others rather than pretending to fit in.


In all fairness that's not really true, we signed up for something we're not really getting anymore. We certainly didn't sign up to being governed by other nations.


So UK did sign in to get freebies? I guess all the fathers of UE idea were thinking of freebies only. Also, the states that joined first (not even UE, but ECSC) must have think of freebies only. But there is a problem- if everyone one wants something- there is noone to provide it.

joining UE is an obligation, it gives state better coditions of trade etc. but it also demands something from parties. joining any kind of deal or organisation is an obligation. You take something, you give something.

The goals of European unity (or I should say the idea of unity itself) evolved a lot from 1950's so now its not about economy only. I would point culture, science, and other social functions in the first place.

Leaving EU (sorry if I used UE before, but its from my national language) by any state NOW is just a bad decission. None of the states will get anything back. So if any state decides to leave= they just loose everything they paid/gave etc. for all the years they were in the UE.
Even if there is crisis in Europe or in the organisation- sooner or later Europe will overcome it and everything will get back on track.


Basically yeah, the EU was supposed to make it easier and cheaper for internal trading. By no means is it an obligation to join. You can't expect the nationals of any nation to completely willingly accept laws and policies, put forward by people they didn't elect to hold ANY power over their nation.

I imagine the the people of the UK did vote to leave the EU, a trade agreement would be set up pretty much instantly that would be essentially the same as the EU was in it's early days.

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Posted on Wed May 08, 2013 22:03:05
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Without EU membership, we wouldn't have access to the free trade and cross border policing.

The main benefit of EU membership is access to the trade there, which makes us far more money as a country than the actual cost of EU membership. If we weren't in the EU, they'd make trade with them as difficult as possible, and charge us to do so.

Isolationism is never a good policy.


You are 100% right. I mean being in the EU is working so well for us all.



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Posted on Thu May 09, 2013 09:33:04
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Without EU membership, we wouldn't have access to the free trade and cross border policing.

The main benefit of EU membership is access to the trade there, which makes us far more money as a country than the actual cost of EU membership. If we weren't in the EU, they'd make trade with them as difficult as possible, and charge us to do so.

Isolationism is never a good policy.


You are 100% right. I mean being in the EU is working so well for us all.



Actually, it is. It's certainly working far better than the alternative, which is not being in it.

As an example, the only people who are whining about the EU Working hours directive, are multi-millionaire business owners who are basically complaining about having to pay for extra staff.

Oh, I feel so sorry for the delicate flowers, not being able to force their employees into 60 hour working weeks on pain of losing their jobs.



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Posted on Thu May 09, 2013 15:02:44
So conclusion is 50/50 splits. Surprising.

Overall the uk loses out being part of the EU our biggest loss is the fact a bunch of unelected foreign twats are telling us what best for us... Britain isnt exactly a country that like being told what to do the people are pround of its long history of imperialism and massive economic and military success the french are jelous, and the germans are still pissed because of the war. The rest of Europe are just free loading for handouts.

Why doesnt Britain tel the EU project to shove ups laws up its arse? Theres not reason why they cant let us have free trade membership. Britain can then trade more easily within its own commonwealth countries and build a better stronger worldwide trade network. Rebuilt its industries like america has, steel, power, manufacturing of high tech high end gear and engineering. Those are what Britain is best at.

I'd vote leave the EU any day unless they agree to let Britain be free of the legislation and just trade.



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Posted on Thu May 09, 2013 15:10:55
Scotland really wouldnt survive in the big bad world on its own no matter what that Salmond guy says.

The biggest export from Scotland is whiskey...you can run a whole country on that. All services are based in England. It would the Billions of pounds of English money causing its universitys to slide, its services to suffer.

North Sea oil is a UK controlled Entity, an agreement would have to be written up which would likely share the revenue in Englands Favour due to the history of investment from its money.

Also currency? The GBP would not be able to apply in scotland so either have to start their own or join the failing Euro.

If I could vote independance from Scotland i would as more money would be free for Endland!


As for wales I keep forgetting that its a different country anyway haha, its basically a county.

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Posted on Thu May 09, 2013 16:25:22
By Captain_k [335518]
Overall the uk loses out being part of the EU our biggest loss is the fact a bunch of unelected foreign twats are telling us what best for us... Britain isnt exactly a country that like being told what to do the people are pround of its long history of imperialism and massive economic and military success the french are jelous, and the germans are still pissed because of the war. The rest of Europe are just free loading for handouts.


wrong.

also, you do elect your own for some EU institutions, and that doesn't go in an equal manner with all countries, so the UK has a bigger quota than other countries.

as for handouts, inform yourself better. there are countries with people working far more than you for way less payment. silly people, right?

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Posted on Thu May 09, 2013 22:56:28
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Overall the uk loses out being part of the EU our biggest loss is the fact a bunch of unelected foreign twats are telling us what best for us... Britain isnt exactly a country that like being told what to do the people are pround of its long history of imperialism and massive economic and military success the french are jelous, and the germans are still pissed because of the war. The rest of Europe are just free loading for handouts.


wrong.

also, you do elect your own for some EU institutions, and that doesn't go in an equal manner with all countries, so the UK has a bigger quota than other countries.

as for handouts, inform yourself better. there are countries with people working far more than you for way less payment. silly people, right?


How can you say these people work harder for less? I personally work very hard and yes I earn above average for age and for uk but that's me. Also cost of living in uk requires a higher income just to live. We vote for our mep but they don't make much difference and apart from the ukip representatives all are in it for the money.




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Posted on Thu May 09, 2013 23:14:42
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Overall the uk loses out being part of the EU our biggest loss is the fact a bunch of unelected foreign twats are telling us what best for us... Britain isnt exactly a country that like being told what to do the people are pround of its long history of imperialism and massive economic and military success the french are jelous, and the germans are still pissed because of the war. The rest of Europe are just free loading for handouts.


wrong.

also, you do elect your own for some EU institutions, and that doesn't go in an equal manner with all countries, so the UK has a bigger quota than other countries.

as for handouts, inform yourself better. there are countries with people working far more than you for way less payment. silly people, right?


How can you say these people work harder for less? I personally work very hard and yes I earn above average for age and for uk but that's me. Also cost of living in uk requires a higher income just to live. We vote for our mep but they don't make much difference and apart from the ukip representatives all are in it for the money.




simply by looking out the average working week and pay.
you'd be surprised with what you can find out when using actual data to compare different realities.

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Posted on Thu May 09, 2013 23:43:54
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Isolationism is never a good policy.


You always have us, cousin.

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Posted on Fri May 10, 2013 02:24:39

edit: screw it .. i don't care

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Posted on Mon May 27, 2013 19:18:09
I think we need the EU

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