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Just wanted to further spread the word about the march. It's worldwide.

www.facebook.com/MarchAgainstMonstanto?fref=ts

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah7h2ApbBPnpdGhOMElaSVg1QUQtRlJQWm1FaUZISlE#gid=0

*If the links don't work, sorry, I'm mobile.

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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 01:53:47
ooh, Cindy's against Monsanto? +1 for you

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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 01:59:08
Totally, I marched the White House and I've been growing my own everything for about 2 years, winter-spring-summer-fall. GMO will kill us and destroy the planet, the only question is how long it will take.

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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 02:04:08



Edit: Will you marry me?

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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 02:13:57
Mmmm. Maybe, but you have to march and spread the word.

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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 02:16:14
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Mmmm. Maybe, but you have to march and spread the word.


Find one in scotland and its a deal!

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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 02:32:25
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Mmmm. Maybe, but you have to march and spread the word.


Find one in scotland and its a deal!


You can make your own event. http://on.fb.me/16qw2r4

I've got 400 people going to the 2 events in my area so far.

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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 02:33:23
Actually, there are 552 people attending so far

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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 02:41:47
Every domesticated crop / animal has been genetically modified by humans for thousands of years, dont see what the big deal is..

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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 02:45:53
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Every domesticated crop / animal has been genetically modified by humans for thousands of years, dont see what the big deal is..


Do a lot more research before you shrug it off as no big deal. They didn't use irradiation and mutagenic chemicals thousands of years ago.

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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 03:28:10
neither links work for me, But i think i get the jist of the message.

how do you feel about the organic section at grocery store?
any benefit or just a farce?

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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 03:53:51
The only problem I have with non-GMO/organic section(s) at grocery stores is knowing that all products can be contaminated in the transportation process. The trucks that deliver clean/organic foods, also deliver Frankenfood. And some of the companies/brands make and grow both. So, it's questionable in my opinion.

Also, for lack of words it's total bullshit that companies/stores mark up GMO-free products. It's actually cheaper to grow organic and the crop yield is way more impressive.

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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 08:23:13
Its shit like this that hampers technological progress.

Public lack of understanding about genetic modification kills far more people than GM ever could.

GM isnt about pumping things full of cancer. Irradiated and mutagenic chemicals? Have you looked into the process of gene splicing at all?

Golden Rice - The potential to prevent thousands of children going blind each year, safety approved, shunned because its a GM product.
The case significantly slowed the amount of research into medicinal crops, why make something if even the perfect product would be rejected?

Then there's complaints that its not possible to stop the GM versions cross pollinating and spreading their genetic info to non-GM plants?
Wake up - Thats exactly what cultivation has aimed to achieve for thousands of years. People have always tried to fertilize their plants with the highest yielding specimens to spread its DNA. GM just allows us to achieve tangible results within a generation.


With the population of the planet increasing, and the land mass of the planet staying roughly the same i present you with two options. Hyper-production of food via GM means or famine & war over fertile land.

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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 08:59:58
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Its shit like this that hampers technological progress.

Public lack of understanding about genetic modification kills far more people than GM ever could.

GM isnt about pumping things full of cancer. Irradiated and mutagenic chemicals? Have you looked into the process of gene splicing at all?

Golden Rice - The potential to prevent thousands of children going blind each year, safety approved, shunned because its a GM product.
The case significantly slowed the amount of research into medicinal crops, why make something if even the perfect product would be rejected?

Then there's complaints that its not possible to stop the GM versions cross pollinating and spreading their genetic info to non-GM plants?
Wake up - Thats exactly what cultivation has aimed to achieve for thousands of years. People have always tried to fertilize their plants with the highest yielding specimens to spread its DNA. GM just allows us to achieve tangible results within a generation.


With the population of the planet increasing, and the land mass of the planet staying roughly the same i present you with two options. Hyper-production of food via GM means or famine & war over fertile land.


Was going to say this.

Monsanto are absolute a**hats, but to actually protest against GM in general is stupid.

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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:33:57
*Shrugs

Background radiation on our planet is thought to be one of the reasons there is such diverse life here. Mutations/natural selection etc..

Loved the 'Rat Tumours' on the facebook page, never seen such a load of old twaddle in my entire life to be honest.

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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:32:16
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Its shit like this that hampers technological progress.

Public lack of understanding about genetic modification kills far more people than GM ever could.

GM isnt about pumping things full of cancer. Irradiated and mutagenic chemicals? Have you looked into the process of gene splicing at all?

Golden Rice - The potential to prevent thousands of children going blind each year, safety approved, shunned because its a GM product.
The case significantly slowed the amount of research into medicinal crops, why make something if even the perfect product would be rejected?

Then there's complaints that its not possible to stop the GM versions cross pollinating and spreading their genetic info to non-GM plants?
Wake up - Thats exactly what cultivation has aimed to achieve for thousands of years. People have always tried to fertilize their plants with the highest yielding specimens to spread its DNA. GM just allows us to achieve tangible results within a generation.


With the population of the planet increasing, and the land mass of the planet staying roughly the same i present you with two options. Hyper-production of food via GM means or famine & war over fertile land.


Incorrect.

It's a technology where the future effects on our bodies genome are unknown. For now, our modern diets have created a myriad of health issues. If you do not mind massive corporations who cannot be trusted as far as they are thrown, that's up to. However the results will pass on into nature, and can cause unforeseen unnecessary damage to the environment and wildlife.

There are various issues with GM crops, from adaptive pests who literally are evolving to overcome the improved defences of the crops, leading to failures as they are ravaged, low yields, and the environment suffer as Monsanto advise to increase pesticide use to make up for shortcomings in their crops defences.

Pink Bollworm Resistance to Bt Cotton
Increased soil insecticide use linked to BT resistance


The point which you picked upon about cross pollination, the complaints as you put it, were made because Monsanto, have patents on the genes they incorporate into their seed product. You are not allowed re-plant from the previous harvest. New seed must be purchased from Monsanto, each year. Failure to do so will land you in litigation for patent infringement, which is currently a big issue.

This means that if some farmer 10 or 15 miles down the road from you, decides to buy from Monsanto, and over the course of the year you receive cross pollination of Monsanto products in your field, congratulations, you are now a legitimate target for a lawsuit.

[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/feb/12/monsanto-sues-farmers-seed-patents]Monsanto Seed Patent Litigation[/url]



I'm transhumanist but, humanity does not learn from mistakes, and when giant multinationals, who have a massive lobbying power, political influence, marketing and profit margins, become the de facto authority on what is and isn't good for us, and goes so far as to eliminate so many various natural species by saturation of their GM product, leaving us only with theirs... It's time to call bullshit, and quick.

Do yourself a favour, learn how to grow your own food, even just a portion, use heirloom seeds and your own organic waste for compost, and grow a little independence from these corporate cancers.


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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:39:09
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Every domesticated crop / animal has been genetically modified by humans for thousands of years, dont see what the big deal is..


I do.

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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:02:12
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use your own organic waste for compost


Ewwww. Ewwwwwww.

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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:13:11
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use your own organic waste for compost


Ewwww. Ewwwwwww.


Haha I meant compostable waste from your current groceries. Phrasing!

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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 13:50:41
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It's a technology where the future effects on our bodies genome are unknown. For now, our modern diets have created a myriad of health issues. If you do not mind massive corporations who cannot be trusted as far as they are thrown, that's up to. However the results will pass on into nature, and can cause unforeseen unnecessary damage to the environment and wildlife.


If you'd like a full list of things in useage today where the future effect on our bodies is unknown but we use them every day (see any technology from the last 25 years) i'd be happy to partially populate one. The legislation around approval for GM products requires massive amounts of data presentation and proof of efficacy and safety. Yes, the effects will pass on into nature.. but thats quite often the point. If you're producing pest-resistant crops, its going to effect pests.

Why is GM the bad guy for its affects on the environment when we're quite happy to turn the other way to a plethora of others?

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There are various issues with GM crops, from adaptive pests who literally are evolving to overcome the improved defences of the crops, leading to failures as they are ravaged, low yields, and the environment suffer as Monsanto advise to increase pesticide use to make up for shortcomings in their crops defences.

Pink Bollworm Resistance to Bt Cotton
Increased soil insecticide use linked to BT resistance



The same is true for antibiotics. Organisms adapt to overcome changes in their environment, the shorter the life cycle the faster adaptations can occur. It just requires the technology to stay one step ahead (something which sadly cant be said for antibiotics.


As for marching against a corporation, why this one, with the capacity to do some good? Profit driven companies, in a capitalist society? What is this blasphemy? As far as evil corporations go, monsanto is a small fish.
A decent percentage of people attending this will be short-sighted people who're against the idea of changing a plant that was made by god, it sounds almost like the sort of thing that blasphemer Darwin was talking about. Then when we do hit mass famine in the poorest percentage of the planet, it will be the corporations fault again.



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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 14:40:36
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It's a technology where the future effects on our bodies genome are unknown. For now, our modern diets have created a myriad of health issues. If you do not mind massive corporations who cannot be trusted as far as they are thrown, that's up to. However the results will pass on into nature, and can cause unforeseen unnecessary damage to the environment and wildlife.


If you'd like a full list of things in useage today where the future effect on our bodies is unknown but we use them every day (see any technology from the last 25 years) i'd be happy to partially populate one. The legislation around approval for GM products requires massive amounts of data presentation and proof of efficacy and safety. Yes, the effects will pass on into nature.. but thats quite often the point. If you're producing pest-resistant crops, its going to effect pests.

Here is an example of your data representation, efficacy proofs and safety.

Neonicotinoids - A regular seed insectide

Are you aware how the circle of life works? Pesticides and insecticides are incorporated into the crops. An environment flush with insects and other life. What the farmers wish to kill are specific pests to their crops. However these do lasting damage to more than just the pests that feed on the produce, what eats the insects? Other insects, small animals, birds...



Why is GM the bad guy for its affects on the environment when we're quite happy to turn the other way to a plethora of others?

So if we do other bad stuff to the environment, it's okay to do other bad things right? Nice point you made there.


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There are various issues with GM crops, from adaptive pests who literally are evolving to overcome the improved defences of the crops, leading to failures as they are ravaged, low yields, and the environment suffer as Monsanto advise to increase pesticide use to make up for shortcomings in their crops defences.

Pink Bollworm Resistance to Bt Cotton
[url=http://www.agprofessional.com/news/Expect-more-soil-insecticide-used-with-Bt-hybrids-200626161.html]Increased soil insecticide use linked to BT resistance[/url]



The same is true for antibiotics. Organisms adapt to overcome changes in their environment, the shorter the life cycle the faster adaptations can occur. It just requires the technology to stay one step ahead (something which sadly cant be said for antibiotics.

Anti-biotics steadily becoming obsolete is not a problem of the drug itself, but the saturation of anti-biotics where prescription is unnecessary. This is a healthcare issue, but you can draw parallels. If doctors could communicate with themselves 20 years ago, I doubt we would see such advanced infections like MRSA. So we ummm, dive right in to converting a major portion of our food supply to GM foods?

And if shit hits the fan we just cross our fingers and hope future man is going save us with technology?



As for marching against a corporation, why this one, with the capacity to do some good? Profit driven companies, in a capitalist society? What is this blasphemy? As far as evil corporations go, monsanto is a small fish.
A decent percentage of people attending this will be short-sighted people who're against the idea of changing a plant that was made by god, it sounds almost like the sort of thing that blasphemer Darwin was talking about. Then when we do hit mass famine in the poorest percentage of the planet, it will be the corporations fault again.

[b]Have you ever heard of Monsanto? Their practices? Market dominance? Over 90% of Soybeans grown in the US are Monsanto seed. 80% of corn - Monsanto. The pesticides used with them Syngenta.
You have 53% of the worlds commercial seed market, controlled by 3 corporations, Monsanto, DuPont and Syngenta. Just between two of them they spent 25 Million fighting GMO labelling on products. What does that tell you? Small fish my ass.



My issue is not with GM foods. My issue is with massive corporations who show no moral or ethical aptitude, with a vested interest in maximising profits for the lowest cost.

Like I said, I'm a transhumanist, all for bettering the species through technology. And I do think we will benefit from GM foods, and other such products, but not at this time, not this way and not by these companies.

Plus, there is an easy way to eat organic, it's cheap, it's in your home, and you gain that little bit of independence. When mass famine hits the poorest percentage of the planet, it won't be GM crops it'll be desertification and drought. We more than produce enough to feed the entire planet. The problem we have is the economics and social/corporate mindframe.

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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 15:26:04
Seeds are sacred and they should be. They are a form of life that some have no respect for. GMO and non-GMO cannot co-exist and no scientist on either side of this argument will disagree. Some will claim that GMO is safe, when it hasn't even been around long enough to prove to be harmless. Studies are showing that GMO is causing health problems for all living things, including the planet. Dismiss scientific findings to fit your agenda all you want. Be a sucker.

Control the food system, control the people. Monopolize and poison people for profits. That is what this is about. Conditioning tactics have worked so well on some of you.


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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 15:29:33
its funny how people with food march against a company that feeds people. are you gonna employ all the monsanto employees if it went out of business, seriously some of you people need a life and to march for something that actually means something. its also funny people complain about genetically modified food but are first people to go pop a pill or smoke some genetically modified weed or drug.

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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 15:31:10
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its funny how people with food march against a company that feeds people. are you gonna employ all the monsanto employees if it went out of business, seriously some of you people need a life and to march for something that actually means something. its also funny people complain about genetically modified food but are first people to go pop a pill or smoke some genetically modified weed or drug.


Monsanto don't feed people. They sell genetically modified crop seed, pesticide and insecticide. Please read threads before you post.

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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 15:31:19
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Mmmm. Maybe, but you have to march and spread the word.


Find one in scotland and its a deal!


You can make your own event. http://on.fb.me/16qw2r4

I've got 400 people going to the 2 events in my area so far.


probably same losers who occupied wall street complaining bout jobs but now want to put a large employer out of business



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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 15:33:41
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its funny how people with food march against a company that feeds people. are you gonna employ all the monsanto employees if it went out of business, seriously some of you people need a life and to march for something that actually means something. its also funny people complain about genetically modified food but are first people to go pop a pill or smoke some genetically modified weed or drug.


Monsanto don't feed people. They sell genetically modified crop seed, pesticide and insecticide. Please read threads before you post.



last time i checked seeds grow into food.


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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 15:34:21
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A decent percentage of people attending this will be short-sighted people who're against the idea of changing a plant that was made by god, it sounds almost like the sort of thing that blasphemer Darwin was talking about.


If you think the planet was made by a god, you do live in a mythical world. You obviously don't require proof of anything- just faith so it makes sense that you would think GM is safe.

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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 15:36:33
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its funny how people with food march against a company that feeds people. are you gonna employ all the monsanto employees if it went out of business, seriously some of you people need a life and to march for something that actually means something. its also funny people complain about genetically modified food but are first people to go pop a pill or smoke some genetically modified weed or drug.


Monsanto don't feed people. They sell genetically modified crop seed, pesticide and insecticide. Please read threads before you post.



last time i checked seeds grow into food.


Real "food" can reproduce. GM cannot.

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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 15:38:14
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its funny how people with food march against a company that feeds people. are you gonna employ all the monsanto employees if it went out of business, seriously some of you people need a life and to march for something that actually means something. its also funny people complain about genetically modified food but are first people to go pop a pill or smoke some genetically modified weed or drug.


Monsanto don't feed people. They sell genetically modified crop seed, pesticide and insecticide. Please read threads before you post.



last time i checked seeds grow into food.


Real "food" can reproduce. GM cannot.


Gm food is cheaper to produce for the people who arent wealthy enough to grow there own food. who cares about it reproducing if your gonna eat it.

do you eat beef? they sterilized the cows so whats the difference.

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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 15:41:52
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Real "food" can reproduce. GM cannot.


Only if it's been modified not to.


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Posted on Fri Apr 26, 2013 15:43:08
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its funny how people with food march against a company that feeds people. are you gonna employ all the monsanto employees if it went out of business, seriously some of you people need a life and to march for something that actually means something. its also funny people complain about genetically modified food but are first people to go pop a pill or smoke some genetically modified weed or drug.


Monsanto don't feed people. They sell genetically modified crop seed, pesticide and insecticide. Please read threads before you post.



last time i checked seeds grow into food.


Real "food" can reproduce. GM cannot.


Gm food is cheaper to produce for the people who arent wealthy enough to grow there own food. who cares about it reproducing if


So you buy a seed. You hold it in your hand. Keep holding it until it grows. Do that for me.

How is GM food cheaper to produce? What evidence? So instead of reusing natural seed, you have to buy it every year? And because it the efficacy rates decline fairly rapidly, you then have to use more pesticides?

Surely it would be cheaper to just use the same seed you were using before, over and over without having to pay for it?

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