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I made a thread a few years ago about wanting to get my bike license, I finally got around to doing it, just before the law changes luckily!

Now I'm looking for a bike.

Annoyingly, insurance is still a nightmare for anything over a 600cc. I also need business cover, which doesn't help.

So far, the Yamaha XJ6 Diversion is top of my list. I can get a new one for around £6,000, or second hand for £5,500ish. It needs to be from a dealership, as I need to finance it, and 99% sure I'm going to go for brand new (or 2012), its a deposit of either £1,400 or £1,500, and monthly payments of around £150 for either two or three years.

Are there any other bikes worth a look at?

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 15:20:12
Harley Davidson.

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 15:21:44
If you can built and customize your own bike, it'd be the most awesome thing ever.

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 15:26:22
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Harley Davidson.


I'm 23 and straight, not 45 and gay.

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If you can built and customize your own bike, it'd be the most awesome thing ever.


Doesn't appeal to me at all, much rather ride it from day 1.

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 15:28:46
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I'm 23 and straight, not 45 and gay.


Best. Reply. Ever.

For the record, Divvy's are great little bikes, get one, use it for a few years until your insurance comes down and you've had some proper road experience, then get something fun. You can still use the Divvy for commuting/winter.

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 15:43:39
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Harley Davidson.


I'm 23 and straight, not 45 and gay.


Best. Reply. Ever.

For the record, Divvy's are great little bikes, get one, use it for a few years until your insurance comes down and you've had some proper road experience, then get something fun. You can still use the Divvy for commuting/winter.


Divvy short for XJ6?

I'm going for a test ride a week on Friday, if I like it, buying it there and then, but want to have a look for a few others. I sat on the XJ6 recently and it appeared huge (I did my DAS on a CB500). I'm 6ft 4, so was a bit worried about it being a bit small.

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 15:54:48
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Harley Davidson.


I'm 23 and straight, not 45 and gay.


Best. Reply. Ever.

For the record, Divvy's are great little bikes, get one, use it for a few years until your insurance comes down and you've had some proper road experience, then get something fun. You can still use the Divvy for commuting/winter.


Divvy short for XJ6?

I'm going for a test ride a week on Friday, if I like it, buying it there and then, but want to have a look for a few others. I sat on the XJ6 recently and it appeared huge (I did my DAS on a CB500). I'm 6ft 4, so was a bit worried about it being a bit small.


Sorry, short for Diversion! I take it you've looked at the 650 Bandit? Similar price range I believe, and damn near indestructible, engine-wise.


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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 15:59:54
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Harley Davidson.


I'm 23 and straight, not 45 and gay.


Best. Reply. Ever.

For the record, Divvy's are great little bikes, get one, use it for a few years until your insurance comes down and you've had some proper road experience, then get something fun. You can still use the Divvy for commuting/winter.


Divvy short for XJ6?

I'm going for a test ride a week on Friday, if I like it, buying it there and then, but want to have a look for a few others. I sat on the XJ6 recently and it appeared huge (I did my DAS on a CB500). I'm 6ft 4, so was a bit worried about it being a bit small.


Sorry, short for Diversion! I take it you've looked at the 650 Bandit? Similar price range I believe, and damn near indestructible, engine-wise.


I have. I sadly can't get a good deal on one at the moment, the main reason I'm looking at Yamaha is due to the 0% interest, plus the dealership I'm going to will give me a discount for using the training school I did.

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 16:05:55
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I have. I sadly can't get a good deal on one at the moment, the main reason I'm looking at Yamaha is due to the 0% interest, plus the dealership I'm going to will give me a discount for using the training school I did.


Fair enough. there's nothing particularly bad about the Diversion. Have fun and be careful. There's a whole load of blind drivers out there.

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 16:07:45
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I have. I sadly can't get a good deal on one at the moment, the main reason I'm looking at Yamaha is due to the 0% interest, plus the dealership I'm going to will give me a discount for using the training school I did.


Fair enough. there's nothing particularly bad about the Diversion. Have fun and be careful. There's a whole load of blind drivers out there.


Christ yeah, even in my car I treat everyone else as an idiot.

Once I've got the bike I'll be booking myself onto a BikeSafe course, and then looking at AIM.

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 18:21:30
I've only rode a Divvy a couple of times, but I was impressed with how smooth the power delivery was. There doesn't seem to be any spike in the power band, so no surprises. That's what you want. Pointless getting your license and killing yourself in a week because you didn't expect something like a Gixxer to bite your face off as soon as you got the revs up.

Bandits are a bit more aggressive than the Divvys but you can keep them in check with a bit of right wrist control. That pretty much goes for any bike but new riders always seem to be a bit throttle happy...I know I was.

If you're wanting to stick with a Yamaha for the finance, have you had a look at the FZ6? More similar to a Bandit than a Divvy but still very usable. Plus a Fazer (or a Bandit) will probably last you longer when you start wanting to have a bit of fun on the weekends.

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 19:14:38
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If you can built and customize your own bike, it'd be the most awesome thing ever.


problem is reselling when the time comes. better keep it simple til the day he can afford collecting them

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 19:24:36
Get a speedtriple I personally quite like them as a weekend thing. Couldn't rely for travel, I'd have my car all day long

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 19:45:50
IM in the same boat here. Ive had a few suggestions given to me. Google these to see if they suit your fancy.

CBR500

Bandit 600/650,
Fazer 600,
ER6,
SV650,
Diversion

2012 Kawasaki Er-6n or ER-6F

09 Kawasaki Versys 650cc


sorry for the messy suggestions, i just copied and pasted from another site.

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 21:03:51
Get a Honda CBR, or Kawi made in the early 90's

Everyone drops their first bike... better to drop something that won't set you back to the tune of thousands of (dollars)

my first bike was an '87 honda hurricane ... the only year that 1000cc bike was on a steel frame .. nice and heavy and and stable, but could still drop a bill (go 100MPH) in about 7 seconds

it topped out about 160mph ... so that is pretty much a little faster than you want to be going if you are dealing with other vehicles and roads that aren't that great...

I had to lay that bike down a few times while learning to be a bad ass... until I finally slid it into a couple trees and ruined it forever.. but by that point I didn't care so much about the bike and I only paid $1000 dollars in the first place and was having great fun riding it as hard as I could without worry of totaling it.

Buy a breaker ... ride the shit out of it ... and then get yourself a gsxr like the rest of civilized cyclesociety

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 21:30:19

here are some cool bikes for you



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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 21:51:05
Financing something new from a dealership is a great way to ensure you get the worst deal ever.




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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 22:27:57
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I've only rode a Divvy a couple of times, but I was impressed with how smooth the power delivery was. There doesn't seem to be any spike in the power band, so no surprises. That's what you want. Pointless getting your license and killing yourself in a week because you didn't expect something like a Gixxer to bite your face off as soon as you got the revs up.

Bandits are a bit more aggressive than the Divvys but you can keep them in check with a bit of right wrist control. That pretty much goes for any bike but new riders always seem to be a bit throttle happy...I know I was.

If you're wanting to stick with a Yamaha for the finance, have you had a look at the FZ6? More similar to a Bandit than a Divvy but still very usable. Plus a Fazer (or a Bandit) will probably last you longer when you start wanting to have a bit of fun on the weekends.


Fazer and Bandit are too much for insurance, getting quotes for £1,000+ for the Bandit and can't get insured on a Fazer.

By dragons_whore [1425794]
Get a speedtriple I personally quite like them as a weekend thing. Couldn't rely for travel, I'd have my car all day long


Insurance again. But I need something half practical as I'm getting rid of my car.

By Grooveryder [373825]
IM in the same boat here. Ive had a few suggestions given to me. Google these to see if they suit your fancy.

CBR500

Bandit 600/650,
Fazer 600,
ER6,
SV650,
Diversion

2012 Kawasaki Er-6n or ER-6F

09 Kawasaki Versys 650cc


sorry for the messy suggestions, i just copied and pasted from another site.


Bandit and Fazer as above. SV650 I've looked at, but too tall. Versys I really like, but again insurance, whole reason I'm getting a bike is to save money. ER6 are high for insurance too.

By nudist_rebels [589653]
Get a Honda CBR, or Kawi made in the early 90's

Everyone drops their first bike... better to drop something that won't set you back to the tune of thousands of (dollars)

my first bike was an '87 honda hurricane ... the only year that 1000cc bike was on a steel frame .. nice and heavy and and stable, but could still drop a bill (go 100MPH) in about 7 seconds

it topped out about 160mph ... so that is pretty much a little faster than you want to be going if you are dealing with other vehicles and roads that aren't that great...

I had to lay that bike down a few times while learning to be a bad ass... until I finally slid it into a couple trees and ruined it forever.. but by that point I didn't care so much about the bike and I only paid $1000 dollars in the first place and was having great fun riding it as hard as I could without worry of totaling it.

Buy a breaker ... ride the shit out of it ... and then get yourself a gsxr like the rest of civilized cyclesociety


Not interested in a second hand bike. I like the piece of mind of not having to worry about huge bills for a while. No MOTs for three years, and if its new, I'll know its been looked after.

Seeing as my job is with the Police, I'm not one to be a twat on the road and do silly speeds, so no need for a bike to do 160mph.

By Skunkdoctor [1371548]
Financing something new from a dealership is a great way to ensure you get the worst deal ever.


Not really. Deposit of £1,400 or £1,500 (can't remember of the top of my head), 0% interest for the 2 or 3 years and monthly payments of £150.

At the moment I'm paying £250/£300 a month on fuel, when I get the bike, I'll be spending £70 a month. The savings will easily pay for the finance repayments.

My deposable income at the moment is around £500 a month, if I didn't buy anything, it would take me a year to save up. But that means no going out, no clothes etc.

As I've said, second hand doesn't interest me.

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 23:24:53
If you're not after speed, why get a 600? Get something with a smaller engine and have more fun in the twisty stuff.

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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 23:25:32
I only ride/own (and constantly fix) my 2 Triumphs (see my profile for the beauties) but, if I was a new rider, taking everything into consideration I would go for a Bandit 600.

Get one a few years old and they are cheap, you can get a reasonable one for about a grand. It won't lose its value, is reasonably cheap to insure and should keep you amused for 9 or so months until you upgrade - hopefully to Triumph.

Either way DO NOT BUY NEW. If you do you will lose 30-40% of your money in a year. Buy 2nd hand and make sure it has been well looked after and not owned by some speed crazed teen.

When you turn 50 years old or begin training as a hairdresser (whichever comes first)buy a Harley.

When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains, an' go to your Gawd like a soldier. Soldier of the Queen!
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Posted on Mon Feb 04, 2013 23:55:08
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If you're not after speed, why get a 600? Get something with a smaller engine and have more fun in the twisty stuff.


Size of the bike in general, I'm 6ft4 and 18 stone. The CB500 I did my DAS on was too small. Plus, plenty of fun at road legal speeds still.

By Gogs247 [1531870]
I only ride/own (and constantly fix) my 2 Triumphs (see my profile for the beauties) but, if I was a new rider, taking everything into consideration I would go for a Bandit 600.

Get one a few years old and they are cheap, you can get a reasonable one for about a grand. It won't lose its value, is reasonably cheap to insure and should keep you amused for 9 or so months until you upgrade - hopefully to Triumph.

Either way DO NOT BUY NEW. If you do you will lose 30-40% of your money in a year. Buy 2nd hand and make sure it has been well looked after and not owned by some speed crazed teen.

When you turn 50 years old or begin training as a hairdresser (whichever comes first)buy a Harley.


I'm not too fussed about losing money in the long run. I feel that the benefits (no MOT, warranty, know its been looked after) are worth its weight in gold. Plus, my knowledge on bikes is very little at the moment, I wouldn't know what to look out for when buying secondhand, PLUS, I can't afford to buy with cash at the moment, hence new from a dealership (although there is a nice XJ6 secondhand in the dealership, 2,000 miles, 2012 plate, I will be looking at that one, but its only £500/£1,000 cheaper than a brand new one).

I'll also get the leather jacket when I get my Harley.

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 00:40:00

Picking up some variety of leathers is a decent safety measure.


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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 00:40:02
Just out of interest, how much is your insurance as a new rider?

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:33:33
Most major dealers will do finance on good pre-owned bikes. I hear you say you don't mind losing the money on depreciation but you will get bored with your first bike within a year so don't think long term. If you want reliability then the same as a car, get one within 3 years old, a full service history and low mileage.

A leather jacket is not needed for a Harley as they do not go fast enough to hurt yourself if/when you fall off trying to throw a few tons on metal round a fast bend.

When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains, an' go to your Gawd like a soldier. Soldier of the Queen!
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 13:31:33
By Bueno_Excelente [34014]

Picking up some variety of leathers is a decent safety measure.


Gone for textiles instead, Rukka. Wore them when it chucked it down during some training and was bone dry. Best £750 spent!

By VJ94 [1556105]
Just out of interest, how much is your insurance as a new rider?


It depends on so many things, were you live (I live in a B (A is the highest, F is the lowest) rated area), what bike (sports bikes are more than tourers), were you keep it (road is more than drive, which is more than a garage), how many miles you'll be doing, were you keep it during the day.

By Gogs247 [1531870]
Most major dealers will do finance on good pre-owned bikes. I hear you say you don't mind losing the money on depreciation but you will get bored with your first bike within a year so don't think long term. If you want reliability then the same as a car, get one within 3 years old, a full service history and low mileage.

A leather jacket is not needed for a Harley as they do not go fast enough to hurt yourself if/when you fall off trying to throw a few tons on metal round a fast bend.


They don't have many around here, plus while I don't have a mortgage etc, I'll treat myself to something new.

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 18:26:41
So, you seem to know it all, definitely more than mere novices like those of us who have offered advice.

Why bother starting a thread when your mind was already made up?

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 18:45:57
As said before, Suzuki GSXR...

Yamaha Fazer.

Or stop being a pussy and get a 1500cc triumph/harley.


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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 18:54:07
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Or stop being a pussy and get a 1500cc triumph/harley.


Yeah, fantastic advice for someone who's just passed their test, there.



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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 19:11:35
By Gogs247 [1531870]
So, you seem to know it all, definitely more than mere novices like those of us who have offered advice.

Why bother starting a thread when your mind was already made up?


My mind is made up about a new bike, yet people still said get a secondhand one, despite saying I don't want a secondhand one. I was looking for advice on new bikes that might be worth a look at that I might have overlooked.

I've done a fair bit of research already, so I know a bit of what I'm talking about.

By BowTie [1544809]
As said before, Suzuki GSXR...

Yamaha Fazer.

Or stop being a pussy and get a 1500cc triumph/harley.


As I've said before...GSXR and Fazer are too expensive to insure, and I'm not gay, so no point getting a Harley.

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 19:27:52
First bike, you'll drop it. People who don't drop their first bike are the exception rather than the rule. I'm not going to tell you what to do with your money, but just be aware of that. I'd rather drop a £1000 bike than a £5000 one. Plus if it's a cheap bike, you're less wary of breaking something when you attempt to fix it yourself (and you will, that's half the fun.)

Also, the guy who said get a big Triumph or Harley, read what I just said about dropping your first bike, then multiply the cost by 4 and the weight by 2.

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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 19:40:52
By Silent-Rage [193964]
First bike, you'll drop it. People who don't drop their first bike are the exception rather than the rule. I'm not going to tell you what to do with your money, but just be aware of that. I'd rather drop a £1000 bike than a £5000 one. Plus if it's a cheap bike, you're less wary of breaking something when you attempt to fix it yourself (and you will, that's half the fun.)

Also, the guy who said get a big Triumph or Harley, read what I just said about dropping your first bike, then multiply the cost by 4 and the weight by 2.


Surely thats like anything new...'don't buy a new phone, you might drop it and smash it', 'don't buy a new car, you might crash it'. Yes I understand your point of view to a degree.

RIght...back on topic. Any NEW bikes worth looking at, that haven't been mentioned in here. Up to 600cc, possibly 650cc, ideally not a sports bike, unless insurance is cheap (under £500).

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