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Posted on Fri Feb 08, 2013 17:37:42
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I wouldn't mind colonizing that |
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Posted on Fri Feb 08, 2013 21:44:41
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seriously?
Suzanne Flinkenflögel just wants your paypal donations in exchange for peddling fantasies.
ask yourself what's more likely.
1. These norwegians raise billions of dollars and shoot hundreds of people into space when not a single non-profit on the planet can even afford to launch a communications satellite? What's more .. they do it from a country that doesn't even have nuclear technology.
2. She makes enough to put dinner on the table and continues selling sci-fi for a living?
here is what a real international effort in science looks like
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITASE
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Idiocy would be to assume the Norwegians need to build they're own rockets to get this done or that they require nuclear capabilities to achieve this. One shouldn't be so quick to label.
SpaceX is a private company that specialises commerical spaceflight, with contracts such as regularly resupplying the ISS, perofrming satellite repairs, research etc at a cost far cheaper than national or international agencies.
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spacex has nothing to do with norway, or non-profit activity... and they will come to the same fate as sealaunch.
keep smoking crack.
don't give these guys money. They just waste it on TC donator packs. |
Why do you keep going on about Norway? It's not a Norwegian National effort, and not-for-profit doesn't mean anything when it comes to sourcing or leasing products and services.
I think you need to read the website before passing comments/judgements as from your current responses it doesn't appear you have. |
exactly what i was about to ask ....
mainly because the Lansdorp guy is Dutch (as are quite a few of the main team) and MarsOne is registered in the Netherlands ... did i miss something? or this just another example of some people sucking at geography?
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Posted on Fri Feb 08, 2013 22:15:53
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The mars-one website provides all relevant information, including specs on technology to be used to complete the mission, and details on how they plan to fund the project. Hint: It's not donations. That's only a small part.
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Posted on Fri Feb 08, 2013 22:53:39
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These goofs couldn't even afford a proper camera crew.
Punkin Chunkin would raise enough to get to mars before mars-one.
The only person on the planet currently discussing technology capable of getting us to mars is ray kurzweil, and anything on the mars-one website is BS to sell fugly t-shirts.
I am sure people would eat up a "reality" tv show. The best episode would be the end where they tell a bunch of idiots who thought they were going to be astronauts that they aren't really going to mars because such a thing is not only implausible, but it is ridiculous...
I am reminded of golgafrincham... everyone who thinks we can get mars, please board the "C" vessel; no longer will I have to breathe the same air as you.
Here is a solid business plan:
sell something that rich people want ... or
something poor people can't live without.
Poor people can live without going to mars, and rich people are perfectly happy here on earth.
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These goofs couldn't even afford a proper camera crew.
Punkin Chunkin would raise enough to get to mars before mars-one.
The only person on the planet currently discussing technology capable of getting us to mars is ray kurzweil, and anything on the mars-one website is BS to sell fugly t-shirts.
I am sure people would eat up a "reality" tv show. The best episode would be the end where they tell a bunch of idiots who thought they were going to be astronauts that they aren't really going to mars because such a thing is not only implausible, but it is ridiculous...
I am reminded of golgafrincham... everyone who thinks we can get mars, please board the "C" vessel; no longer will I have to breathe the same air as you.
Here is a solid business plan:
sell something that rich people want ... or
something poor people can't live without.
Poor people can live without going to mars, and rich people are perfectly happy here on earth. |
The day humanity succumbs to this kind of philosophy is the day any hope for progress becomes futile. Not everyone on this earth places higher on emphasis on profit over the hope of advancing the human species. Granted, popular culture today would have you believe otherwise but let me tell you this; the way of life we live today is dying, slowly. The population of this planet is expanding exponentially. The majority of the resources we consume are not self-sustaining and are thus doomed to dwindle and perish. Our only hope of survival in the long term is to expand outside of our native planet. So forgive me if, despite your pessimism, I choose to have faith that maybe the people behind mars-one can take the first steps towards that end. Perhaps they won't go to mars, but any advances they can make in the field are worth far more than the money needed to do so. Because one day, money won't even be able to buy you a loaf of bread.
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The day humanity succumbs to this kind of philosophy is the day any hope for progress becomes futile. Not everyone on this earth places higher on emphasis on profit over the hope of advancing the human species. Granted, popular culture today would have you believe otherwise but let me tell you this; the way of life we live today is dying, slowly. The population of this planet is expanding exponentially. The majority of the resources we consume are not self-sustaining and are thus doomed to dwindle and perish. Our only hope of survival in the long term is to expand outside of our native planet. So forgive me if, despite your pessimism, I choose to have faith that maybe the people behind mars-one can take the first steps towards that end. Perhaps they won't go to mars, but any advances they can make in the field are worth far more than the money needed to do so. Because one day, money won't even be able to buy you a loaf of bread. |
I'd prefer than, instead of doing so, they could privately input some funding into NASA.
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just want you to know that this mars project is not for you, or your children. it will be for those our government deems worthy, as well as a safehouse for whenever shit gets to deep on earth..
pretty sad when we already have plans on colonizing another planet because we trashed this one.
and OP comes in here like this is all a good thing. =/
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Posted on Sat Feb 09, 2013 18:12:11
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The day humanity succumbs to this kind of philosophy is the day any hope for progress becomes futile. Not everyone on this earth places higher on emphasis on profit over the hope of advancing the human species. Granted, popular culture today would have you believe otherwise but let me tell you this; the way of life we live today is dying, slowly. The population of this planet is expanding exponentially. The majority of the resources we consume are not self-sustaining and are thus doomed to dwindle and perish. Our only hope of survival in the long term is to expand outside of our native planet. So forgive me if, despite your pessimism, I choose to have faith that maybe the people behind mars-one can take the first steps towards that end. Perhaps they won't go to mars, but any advances they can make in the field are worth far more than the money needed to do so. Because one day, money won't even be able to buy you a loaf of bread. |
I'd prefer than, instead of doing so, they could privately input some funding into NASA. |
Why should anyone fund the American space program? They landed people (allegedly) on the moon way back in 1969 and have achieved very little since. I am afraid that America is currently too deep in National Debt and too busy with its mission to police planet Earth to achieve anything in space.
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Posted on Sat Feb 09, 2013 18:22:56
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just want you to know that this mars project is not for you, or your children. it will be for those our government deems worthy, as well as a safehouse for whenever shit gets to deep on earth..
pretty sad when we already have plans on colonizing another planet because we trashed this one.
and OP comes in here like this is all a good thing. =/ |
Oh ffs people have wanted to go to Mars well before any of this 'the planets sh*t, people are sh*t, I'm so miserable' stuff became popular.
It is actually possible that we want to explore for innocent reasons.
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Posted on Sat Feb 09, 2013 18:30:08
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How about we figure out how to colonize some of the oceans(71%) covering the Earth, then lets think about another planet.
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Posted on Sat Feb 09, 2013 18:39:52
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The day humanity succumbs to this kind of philosophy is the day any hope for progress becomes futile. Not everyone on this earth places higher on emphasis on profit over the hope of advancing the human species. Granted, popular culture today would have you believe otherwise but let me tell you this; the way of life we live today is dying, slowly. The population of this planet is expanding exponentially. The majority of the resources we consume are not self-sustaining and are thus doomed to dwindle and perish. Our only hope of survival in the long term is to expand outside of our native planet. So forgive me if, despite your pessimism, I choose to have faith that maybe the people behind mars-one can take the first steps towards that end. Perhaps they won't go to mars, but any advances they can make in the field are worth far more than the money needed to do so. Because one day, money won't even be able to buy you a loaf of bread. |
I'd prefer than, instead of doing so, they could privately input some funding into NASA. |
I'm so happy that someone in TC is prepared to admit that there are some actual problems that an exponentially increased global population is going to have to deal with, and that is going to affect our way of life.
I understand if escapism puts mars fantasies in your head.
Antarctica is much more hospitable than mars, and it costs a butt ton of internationally funded dollars just to provide the residents with the 6000 calorie meals they have to eat to deal with the stress and cold.
Last time I checked, spacex got about 16% of their funding from eccentric millionaires.. 25% funding from private communications companies... and the rest of the money came from? You guessed it ... NASA contracts.
if there ever is a public offering of this company, it will collapse. Just like sealaunch.
again ... here is what an actual international effort in science looks like
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITASE
and when you make a donation ... your money goes to norway... not the netherlands... my guess is norway was chosen because of lenient standards for "non-profit" activity.
mars-one.com/
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By Stain92 [1040302]Oh ffs people have wanted to go to Mars well before any of this 'the planets sh*t, people are sh*t, I'm so miserable' stuff became popular.
It is actually possible that we want to explore for innocent reasons. |
Good, I am not the only one to notice that a huge proportion of posters in the Torn forums are negative about everything.
I put this down to:
a. They are very, very young and therefore either just entering or well into their teenage emo phase of life where everything is negative, usually brought about by acne and its unfortunate side effect of scaring girls off.
or
b. They are ill educated and grasp onto a few excerpts of newspaper stories rather than read proper papers on the state of this planet.
For those amongst us who fit into criteria a. or b. above, planet Earth is doing okay and will last a few more millennia. Yes, species will die out now and again but hey, if that hadn't always been the case then you would all be going out tonight a bit more wary than usual or a great big T-Rex may eat you up.
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b. They are ill educated and grasp onto a few excerpts of newspaper stories rather than read proper papers on the state of this planet.
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Present me with a single peer-reviewed scientific study which concludes that humans are not having an impact on the planet.
Thats right, you can't. The only people learning in school today that everything is fine with the climate system are business majors.
I would love to see what constites a "proper paper" in your mind
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Posted on Sat Feb 09, 2013 19:37:34
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b. They are ill educated and grasp onto a few excerpts of newspaper stories rather than read proper papers on the state of this planet.
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Present me with a single peer-reviewed scientific study which concludes that humans are not having an impact on the planet.
Thats right, you can't. The only people learning in school today that everything is fine with the climate system are business majors.
I would love to see what constites a "proper paper" in your mind |
You were very selective in your quote but hey-ho, here goes, my attempt at calming you down so you can enjoy Saturday night.
There are many peer reviewed studies that conclude exactly what I said - as there are just as many which conclude the opposite - you will never get scientists to agree and I thought most people understood that. Either way there is evidence that both schools of thought are correct. For your information (incase you have a mere MBA as I do - yes, I am a business major as foreigners call it), the main schools of thought on human impact on the environment are Anthropocentrism and Ecocentrism. Have a read up on them and choose your side.
Papers? Well there are 1000s of good papers on this very subject, just Google Cambridge and Oxford Universities, they have done a lot of work on the environment and have produced some excellent papers.
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I google searched as you prescribed, and was unable to find "proper papers."
please help someone who apparently knows nothing and post links.
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By Stain92 [1040302]Oh ffs people have wanted to go to Mars well before any of this 'the planets sh*t, people are sh*t, I'm so miserable' stuff became popular.
It is actually possible that we want to explore for innocent reasons. |
Good, I am not the only one to notice that a huge proportion of posters in the Torn forums are negative about everything.
I put this down to:
a. They are very, very young and therefore either just entering or well into their teenage emo phase of life where everything is negative, usually brought about by acne and its unfortunate side effect of scaring girls off.
or
b. They are ill educated and grasp onto a few excerpts of newspaper stories rather than read proper papers on the state of this planet.
For those amongst us who fit into criteria a. or b. above, planet Earth is doing okay and will last a few more millennia. Yes, species will die out now and again but hey, if that hadn't always been the case then you would all be going out tonight a bit more wary than usual or a great big T-Rex may eat you up.
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be careful not to fall off that high horse of yours ...
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At any rate we have roughly five billion years before the entire inner solar system is swallowed by the sun as it nears the end of its stellar life and swells into a red giant, assuming we live that long (highly unlikely). At that point, if we don't have colonies in other star systems (also highly unlikely), our proverbial goose is cooked.
I'm personally not inclined to become an astronaut, especially one who's mission entails not returning to Earth. As much as is wrong with this planet, I'm still deeply in love with the place. Our natural beauty is second to none, our history is all here, our monuments, our legacy. I would miss everything far too much; it would pain me to know I'd never have the chance to walk through a forest, visit a country I've never been to or even go to the park again.
But along the lines somewhere in mankind's future, a time will come when the choice must be made between abandoning home or facing certain extinction. It would be prudent to begin expanding as soon as possible, so that by the time that decision must be made we already have a foothold somewhere else.
Don't get me wrong, my excitement lies purely within the exploration factor itself, it's very unlikely that we will have much more than a few interlinked capsules up there by the end of our lifetimes, but that small step will mean everything. If our species survives the eons and is able to progress beyond the rampant barbarism and material greed that runs rampant today, human beings thriving around distant stars all across the cosmos will look back to those first martian colonists as their inspiration, and as their reason for existence.
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I'd prefer than, instead of doing so, they could privately input some funding into NASA. |
Why should anyone fund the American space program? They landed people (allegedly) on the moon way back in 1969 and have achieved very little since. I am afraid that America is currently too deep in National Debt and too busy with its mission to police planet Earth to achieve anything in space. |
for some official timeline
www.nasa.gov/50th/timeline.html
as for the lack of achievements, you have very high contributions of NASA into:
- developing GPS, "Precise navigation with GPS satellites would be impossible without ultra-precise knowledge of Earth's shape and how it rotates. NASA pioneered much of this work with a global network of laser ranging satellites and super-charged GPS receivers to monitor daily changes in Earth's surface"
- diagnosing the ozone layer
- predicting the weather
- tracking the ocean surface temperature
- following air pollution's global reach
- identifying movement of ice sheets
- missions to Mars
- Hubble space telescope
- Voyager probes
I would donate to NASA before any other company/project dedicated to space exploration or investigation.
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By Wind [444051]
At any rate we have roughly five billion years before the entire inner solar system is swallowed by the sun as it nears the end of its stellar life and swells into a red giant, assuming we live that long (highly unlikely). At that point, if we don't have colonies in other star systems (also highly unlikely), our proverbial goose is cooked.
I'm personally not inclined to become an astronaut, especially one who's mission entails not returning to Earth. As much as is wrong with this planet, I'm still deeply in love with the place. Our natural beauty is second to none, our history is all here, our monuments, our legacy. I would miss everything far too much; it would pain me to know I'd never have the chance to walk through a forest, visit a country I've never been to or even go to the park again.
But along the lines somewhere in mankind's future, a time will come when the choice must be made between abandoning home or facing certain extinction. It would be prudent to begin expanding as soon as possible, so that by the time that decision must be made we already have a foothold somewhere else.
Don't get me wrong, my excitement lies purely within the exploration factor itself, it's very unlikely that we will have much more than a few interlinked capsules up there by the end of our lifetimes, but that small step will mean everything. If our species survives the eons and is able to progress beyond the rampant barbarism and material greed that runs rampant today, human beings thriving around distant stars all across the cosmos will look back to those first martian colonists as their inspiration, and as their reason for existence. |
Well said.
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At any rate we have roughly five billion years before the entire inner solar system is swallowed by the sun as it nears the end of its stellar life and swells into a red giant, assuming we live that long (highly unlikely). At that point, if we don't have colonies in other star systems (also highly unlikely), our proverbial goose is cooked.
I'm personally not inclined to become an astronaut, especially one who's mission entails not returning to Earth. As much as is wrong with this planet, I'm still deeply in love with the place. Our natural beauty is second to none, our history is all here, our monuments, our legacy. I would miss everything far too much; it would pain me to know I'd never have the chance to walk through a forest, visit a country I've never been to or even go to the park again.
But along the lines somewhere in mankind's future, a time will come when the choice must be made between abandoning home or facing certain extinction. It would be prudent to begin expanding as soon as possible, so that by the time that decision must be made we already have a foothold somewhere else.
Don't get me wrong, my excitement lies purely within the exploration factor itself, it's very unlikely that we will have much more than a few interlinked capsules up there by the end of our lifetimes, but that small step will mean everything. If our species survives the eons and is able to progress beyond the rampant barbarism and material greed that runs rampant today, human beings thriving around distant stars all across the cosmos will look back to those first martian colonists as their inspiration, and as their reason for existence. |
Well said. |
agreed.
longnow.org
not mars-one.org
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Posted on Sun Feb 10, 2013 02:13:39
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At any rate we have roughly five billion years before the entire inner solar system is swallowed by the sun as it nears the end of its stellar life and swells into a red giant, assuming we live that long (highly unlikely). At that point, if we don't have colonies in other star systems (also highly unlikely), our proverbial goose is cooked. |
if humanity survives til then, I'd expect them to have left here long before.
in about 400k years 'we' went from homo erectus making fire to homo sapiens reaching other worlds.
I expect the first colony outside of our solar system within 50k years, and that's being pessimist.
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At any rate we have roughly five billion years before the entire inner solar system is swallowed by the sun as it nears the end of its stellar life and swells into a red giant, assuming we live that long (highly unlikely). At that point, if we don't have colonies in other star systems (also highly unlikely), our proverbial goose is cooked. |
if humanity survives til then, I'd expect them to have left here long before.
in about 400k years 'we' went from homo erectus making fire to homo sapiens reaching other worlds.
I expect the first colony outside of our solar system within 50k years, and that's being pessimist. |
Unfortunately you wouldn't guess it by looking at popular culture today...how the pinnacle of 3.6 billion years of evolutionary success can result in such narrow-minded idiocy baffles me to the core. Sometimes I feel like most people couldn't give a rat's behind for logic, reasoning or even culture (real culture) for that matter. Everyone's either too focused on pimps, hoes and Beyonce or eradicating their nation's/religion's enemies.
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By Wind [444051]
At any rate we have roughly five billion years before the entire inner solar system is swallowed by the sun as it nears the end of its stellar life and swells into a red giant, assuming we live that long (highly unlikely). At that point, if we don't have colonies in other star systems (also highly unlikely), our proverbial goose is cooked. |
if humanity survives til then, I'd expect them to have left here long before.
in about 400k years 'we' went from homo erectus making fire to homo sapiens reaching other worlds.
I expect the first colony outside of our solar system within 50k years, and that's being pessimist. |
Unfortunately you wouldn't guess it by looking at popular culture today...how the pinnacle of 3.6 billion years of evolutionary success can result in such narrow-minded idiocy baffles me to the core. Sometimes I feel like most people couldn't give a rat's behind for logic, reasoning or even culture (real culture) for that matter. Everyone's either too focused on pimps, hoes and Beyonce or eradicating their nation's/religion's enemies.
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