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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 01:27:05
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Since they aren't coming back, how are we expected to keep in touch with them? They're going to send 2 more every 2 years, what if they are just dying when they get their? If they have no chance of coming back, they probably won't have radio comms. How are we to know that they're not just all dying??? O.o |
Let's think a bit more about this, USCCHRIS.
Why would they not have radio comms? Do you think the Mars Rover hops back to our planet every day to give the updates and get a cup of coffee? |
Ok, but how are they gonna get supplies to last 2 years on mars? They'll run out before the first 2 years are up.
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A big ship, I can only assume.
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 01:52:16
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Since they aren't coming back, how are we expected to keep in touch with them? They're going to send 2 more every 2 years, what if they are just dying when they get their? If they have no chance of coming back, they probably won't have radio comms. How are we to know that they're not just all dying??? O.o |
Let's think a bit more about this, USCCHRIS.
Why would they not have radio comms? Do you think the Mars Rover hops back to our planet every day to give the updates and get a cup of coffee? |
Ok, but how are they gonna get supplies to last 2 years on mars? They'll run out before the first 2 years are up.
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A big ship, I can only assume. |
They could develop a sustainable mini-ecosystem on the ship itself. Recycling air and water etc. Surely that is the only logical long term solution to space travel and a colony.
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 03:41:05
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By Zapp_Brannigan [9353]
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Since they aren't coming back, how are we expected to keep in touch with them? They're going to send 2 more every 2 years, what if they are just dying when they get their? If they have no chance of coming back, they probably won't have radio comms. How are we to know that they're not just all dying??? O.o |
Let's think a bit more about this, USCCHRIS.
Why would they not have radio comms? Do you think the Mars Rover hops back to our planet every day to give the updates and get a cup of coffee? |
Ok, but how are they gonna get supplies to last 2 years on mars? They'll run out before the first 2 years are up.
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A big ship, I can only assume. |
They could develop a sustainable mini-ecosystem on the ship itself. Recycling air and water etc. Surely that is the only logical long term solution to space travel and a colony.
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That's the dream, unfortunately no one has been able to get one working properly yet.
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 04:45:16
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They're going to ram the ship into the planet (don't worry, the force-shield will protect the ship from harm) and it will be like jump starting a car. Mars will learn its lesson and become a proper planet at once.
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 08:22:11
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Burning all the martian oil will help terraform mars
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 20:36:04
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They're going to ram the ship into the planet (don't worry, the force-shield will protect the ship from harm) and it will be like jump starting a car. Mars will learn its lesson and become a proper planet at once. |
So, what you're recommending is that they put a little English on their balls?
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 20:40:17
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They're going to ram the ship into the planet (don't worry, the force-shield will protect the ship from harm) and it will be like jump starting a car. Mars will learn its lesson and become a proper planet at once. |
So, what you're recommending is that they put a little English on their balls?
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In a manner of speaking. I read about it in an Orson Scott Card book. Although it was 19 ships...and they weren't being used for this purpose. None of that matters though!
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 22:45:03
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i could/would help them by buying a T-shirt if only they weren't so fugly
SpaceX's Mars t-shirts look way cooler to me
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Posted on Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:12:08
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Since they aren't coming back, how are we expected to keep in touch with them? They're going to send 2 more every 2 years, what if they are just dying when they get their? If they have no chance of coming back, they probably won't have radio comms. How are we to know that they're not just all dying??? O.o |
Let's think a bit more about this, USCCHRIS.
Why would they not have radio comms? Do you think the Mars Rover hops back to our planet every day to give the updates and get a cup of coffee? |
Ok, but how are they gonna get supplies to last 2 years on mars? They'll run out before the first 2 years are up.
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A big ship, I can only assume. |
They could develop a sustainable mini-ecosystem on the ship itself. Recycling air and water etc. Surely that is the only logical long term solution to space travel and a colony.
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That's the dream, unfortunately no one has been able to get one working properly yet.
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It's covered in the FAQ. One of the Dragon Landers is going to house potentially, a PlantLab, an hydroponics lab which uses specific light ranges using LED to grow food.
They have a link to the supplier and they're services.
I still have a hard time believing 2023 as the kick-off date for boots on the ground, but I do believe they can achieve it by 2030. It is an amazing feat regardless of the year it happens should they pull it off.
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Posted on Wed Feb 06, 2013 14:32:11
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That is interesting but I hope the UN or Countries come together and set up rules and laws about (fair ones not stupid ones) Ones to stop problems that could arise from happening. Have it so it could only have scientific research stations. Set it up so it is treated with respect and not so companies will eventually try to go in and then mess up mars or set up their headquarters there so they do not have to pay any taxes to anyone.
I just do not want to see mars ruined as well due to greed. It would take a little longer than this but still it is something that is needed to be thought about. |
And I hope the UN has nothing whatsoever to do with any private enterprise to colonize Mars. Why should the UN have any say on a completely different planet? I for one can imagine the main reason to leave Earth is to get away from the problems and issues and rules of Earth.
If private individuals build a craft... travel to a different world... set up shop... why the heck should they pay taxes on Earth?
BTW- Mars can't be "messed up"... it is a frozen barren desert... what is there to mess up?
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Posted on Wed Feb 06, 2013 15:31:38
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That is interesting but I hope the UN or Countries come together and set up rules and laws about (fair ones not stupid ones) Ones to stop problems that could arise from happening. Have it so it could only have scientific research stations. Set it up so it is treated with respect and not so companies will eventually try to go in and then mess up mars or set up their headquarters there so they do not have to pay any taxes to anyone.
I just do not want to see mars ruined as well due to greed. It would take a little longer than this but still it is something that is needed to be thought about. |
And I hope the UN has nothing whatsoever to do with any private enterprise to colonize Mars. Why should the UN have any say on a completely different planet? I for one can imagine the main reason to leave Earth is to get away from the problems and issues and rules of Earth.
If private individuals build a craft... travel to a different world... set up shop... why the heck should they pay taxes on Earth?
BTW- Mars can't be "messed up"... it is a frozen barren desert... what is there to mess up? |
True that. If the Government wants a say in Mars, they can put their own colony there. For now it is down to the astronauts who colonise it first. Although I can't imagine anything major can happen to the wasteland populatated by a handful of people who can only work for short periods of time due to oxygen/radiation contraints and will mainly be focused on staying alive.
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It's covered in the FAQ. One of the Dragon Landers is going to house potentially, a PlantLab, an hydroponics lab which uses specific light ranges using LED to grow food.
They have a link to the supplier and their services.
I still have a hard time believing 2023 as the kick-off date for boots on the ground, but I do believe they can achieve it by 2030. It is an amazing feat regardless of the year it happens should they pull it off. |
As of 2013, I don't think any of the various space agencies have taken a plant through its entire life-cycle from seed to plant, then back to seed again in low or zero gravity. It'd be a pretty big (and terminal) "whoopsie" moment to get to Mars only to find out that there are problems with plant growth or how much usable food they yield. Even on Earth, closed-system experiments (like Biosphere 2) have run into significant problems.
The consequences of accidents are multiplied by the distance & difficulty of getting stuff to Mars. If something catastrophically fails in a hydroponics lab on Earth, you can order new parts, fresh plants, and start again. If something catastrophically fails on Mars it could potentially be a year and a half before you could get replacements, and getting it there safely still isn't guaranteed. Even if you have 100% redundancy as an emergency contingency, there's always the potential for the redundancy to fail before replacements arrive.
It's not a situation where you can rely on something that might or should work - you definitely want something proven to work. When the Mars-One FAQ includes the statement "No new developments – Our entire plan revolves around using existing, validated technology", that's simply not the truth. For example with the hydroponics, there is no "existing and validated technology" for growing plants on another planet. Closed-system environmental control is still a work in process. Hashing out the basic science & engineering somewhere relatively closer (ie - the Moon) makes a lot more sense, and even that is probably going to have to wait until there are cheaper & more reliable ways of getting stuff into space.
The question of where the money is going to come from is where things gets dodgiest for me. A figure in the tens of billions stretches credibility. Hundreds of billions is more likely, and it's unrealistic to believe an NPO is going to come up with that sort of cash in the time-frame they put forward.
Going about these things half-assed is its own breed of problem, because when something inevitably goes wrong and the brave new Martians suffocate, freeze, starve to death, catch a horrible disease from a dirty toilet seat, or all get murdered by big Sven (after he goes batshit crazy from trying to live with a bunch of other people in a series of sealed tin cans each the size of your bedroom and motherf**kers won't stop farting), then that's going to make it so much harder to sell the idea the next time.
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Posted on Thu Feb 07, 2013 03:10:01
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It's covered in the FAQ. One of the Dragon Landers is going to house potentially, a PlantLab, an hydroponics lab which uses specific light ranges using LED to grow food.
They have a link to the supplier and their services.
I still have a hard time believing 2023 as the kick-off date for boots on the ground, but I do believe they can achieve it by 2030. It is an amazing feat regardless of the year it happens should they pull it off. |
As of 2013, I don't think any of the various space agencies have taken a plant through its entire life-cycle from seed to plant, then back to seed again in low or zero gravity. It'd be a pretty big (and terminal) "whoopsie" moment to get to Mars only to find out that there are problems with plant growth or how much usable food they yield. Even on Earth, closed-system experiments (like Biosphere 2) have run into significant problems.
The consequences of accidents are multiplied by the distance & difficulty of getting stuff to Mars. If something catastrophically fails in a hydroponics lab on Earth, you can order new parts, fresh plants, and start again. If something catastrophically fails on Mars it could potentially be a year and a half before you could get replacements, and getting it there safely still isn't guaranteed. Even if you have 100% redundancy as an emergency contingency, there's always the potential for the redundancy to fail before replacements arrive.
It's not a situation where you can rely on something that might or should work - you definitely want something proven to work. When the Mars-One FAQ includes the statement "No new developments – Our entire plan revolves around using existing, validated technology", that's simply not the truth. For example with the hydroponics, there is no "existing and validated technology" for growing plants on another planet. Closed-system environmental control is still a work in process. Hashing out the basic science & engineering somewhere relatively closer (ie - the Moon) makes a lot more sense, and even that is probably going to have to wait until there are cheaper & more reliable ways of getting stuff into space.
The question of where the money is going to come from is where things gets dodgiest for me. A figure in the tens of billions stretches credibility. Hundreds of billions is more likely, and it's unrealistic to believe an NPO is going to come up with that sort of cash in the time-frame they put forward.
Going about these things half-assed is its own breed of problem, because when something inevitably goes wrong and the brave new Martians suffocate, freeze, starve to death, catch a horrible disease from a dirty toilet seat, or all get murdered by big Sven (after he goes batshit crazy from trying to live with a bunch of other people in a series of sealed tin cans each the size of your bedroom and motherf**kers won't stop farting), then that's going to make it so much harder to sell the idea the next time.
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Well said, if they f**k this up we won't see another trip to Mars in our life times.
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Posted on Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:21:32
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Since they aren't coming back, how are we expected to keep in touch with them? They're going to send 2 more every 2 years, what if they are just dying when they get their? If they have no chance of coming back, they probably won't have radio comms. How are we to know that they're not just all dying??? O.o |
Let's think a bit more about this, USCCHRIS.
Why would they not have radio comms? Do you think the Mars Rover hops back to our planet every day to give the updates and get a cup of coffee? |
Ok, but how are they gonna get supplies to last 2 years on mars? They'll run out before the first 2 years are up.
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Posted on Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:38:13
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[quote]By Phegasus [463442]
It's covered in the FAQ. One of the Dragon Landers is going to house potentially, a PlantLab, an hydroponics lab which uses specific light ranges using LED to grow food.
They have a link to the supplier and their services.
I still have a hard time believing 2023 as the kick-off date for boots on the ground, but I do believe they can achieve it by 2030. It is an amazing feat regardless of the year it happens should they pull it off. |
As of 2013, I don't think any of the various space agencies have taken a plant through its entire life-cycle from seed to plant, then back to seed again in low or zero gravity.
Going about these things half-assed is its own breed of problem, because when something inevitably goes wrong and the brave new Martians suffocate, freeze, starve to death, catch a horrible disease |
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The Mars Rover Mission cost 2.5 Billion, a cost which would be bloated as the agency behind it is Nasa.
Considering the now lease out resupply missions to the likes of SpaceX and Orbital Sciences at a greatly reduced cost, and with companies such as Planetary Resources and Deep Space Industries announce they're entry into Asteroid Mining, one can foresee shared goals and investment, I can imagine they would love to survey the Mars geology in depth.
In relation to the Hydroponics, plants have been grown from seed to plant but is limited to things like basil and although the trip there will take place in Zero Gravity lasting 6-7 months, Mars itself does have it's own weaker gravitational field, a albeit the area requires alot more research into alot more species of plant, but in 3 - 8 years alot can happen. I'm going to remain positive about this one, if not for the inspiration I hope it provides to others in wanting to get involved in science.
I will re-iterate that I have said I don't expect boots on the ground come 2023 but I'm hoping it shan't be delayed by too many years.
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Posted on Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:45:25
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if they f**k this up we won't see another trip to Mars in our life times. |
I admire your optimism in thinking you'll even see one manned mission going to Mars during your lifetime.
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Posted on Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:48:12
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By Bueno_Excelente [34014]
The question of where the money is going to come from is where things gets dodgiest for me. A figure in the tens of billions stretches credibility. Hundreds of billions is more likely, and it's unrealistic to believe an NPO is going to come up with that sort of cash in the time-frame they put forward. |
exactly my thoughts, but don't discard the donating feature.
I'm thinking something along the lines of "this has proved to be harder than originally planned, but we already spent your money in drugs and hookers so thanks a lot for that"
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Posted on Thu Feb 07, 2013 15:00:29
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Gregorian, obviously. -_-
Was that question really necessary? |
No, but he fancies himself a witty troll so he will waste no opportunity to show you that he knows smart people words.... |
By _TheCrow_ [686314]
This world has become so negative and nihilistic that we can't appreciate anything anymore. The world nearly stood still when we sent people to the moon, yet we are discussing travel to another PLANET that doesn't involve an H.G. Wells plot and no one gives a damn. It's sad really. |
Is it not so that you fancy yourself a philosophisificator?
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Freedom of speech should have limits. |
Carry on... |
Translation: surprisingly I do have an opinion about things, but instead of stating my opinion and risk people not liking everything I have to say, I think people will believe I'm cooler if I come off as an angsty smartass that has jokes all the time so I post in a smartassed rhetorical manner. That's cool right jajaja? |
On the money, sir. You have boiled LSD down to his core forum essence... an "angsty smartass"... perfect description. Nicely done.
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Posted on Thu Feb 07, 2013 15:06:10
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By Phegasus [463442]
It's covered in the FAQ. One of the Dragon Landers is going to house potentially, a PlantLab, an hydroponics lab which uses specific light ranges using LED to grow food.
They have a link to the supplier and their services.
I still have a hard time believing 2023 as the kick-off date for boots on the ground, but I do believe they can achieve it by 2030. It is an amazing feat regardless of the year it happens should they pull it off. |
As of 2013, I don't think any of the various space agencies have taken a plant through its entire life-cycle from seed to plant, then back to seed again in low or zero gravity. It'd be a pretty big (and terminal) "whoopsie" moment to get to Mars only to find out that there are problems with plant growth or how much usable food they yield. Even on Earth, closed-system experiments (like Biosphere 2) have run into significant problems.
The consequences of accidents are multiplied by the distance & difficulty of getting stuff to Mars. If something catastrophically fails in a hydroponics lab on Earth, you can order new parts, fresh plants, and start again. If something catastrophically fails on Mars it could potentially be a year and a half before you could get replacements, and getting it there safely still isn't guaranteed. Even if you have 100% redundancy as an emergency contingency, there's always the potential for the redundancy to fail before replacements arrive.
It's not a situation where you can rely on something that might or should work - you definitely want something proven to work. When the Mars-One FAQ includes the statement "No new developments – Our entire plan revolves around using existing, validated technology", that's simply not the truth. For example with the hydroponics, there is no "existing and validated technology" for growing plants on another planet. Closed-system environmental control is still a work in process. Hashing out the basic science & engineering somewhere relatively closer (ie - the Moon) makes a lot more sense, and even that is probably going to have to wait until there are cheaper & more reliable ways of getting stuff into space.
The question of where the money is going to come from is where things gets dodgiest for me. A figure in the tens of billions stretches credibility. Hundreds of billions is more likely, and it's unrealistic to believe an NPO is going to come up with that sort of cash in the time-frame they put forward.
Going about these things half-assed is its own breed of problem, because when something inevitably goes wrong and the brave new Martians suffocate, freeze, starve to death, catch a horrible disease from a dirty toilet seat, or all get murdered by big Sven (after he goes batshit crazy from trying to live with a bunch of other people in a series of sealed tin cans each the size of your bedroom and motherf**kers won't stop farting), then that's going to make it so much harder to sell the idea the next time.
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Well said.
You sound like you might be a scientist of some sort? Or very well read on the subject at least.
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Posted on Thu Feb 07, 2013 19:37:22
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Gregorian, obviously. -_-
Was that question really necessary? |
No, but he fancies himself a witty troll so he will waste no opportunity to show you that he knows smart people words.... |
By _TheCrow_ [686314]
This world has become so negative and nihilistic that we can't appreciate anything anymore. The world nearly stood still when we sent people to the moon, yet we are discussing travel to another PLANET that doesn't involve an H.G. Wells plot and no one gives a damn. It's sad really. |
Is it not so that you fancy yourself a philosophisificator?
"It upsets me so much the way people express their opinions on the internet."
By _TheCrow_ [686314]
Freedom of speech should have limits. |
Carry on... |
Translation: surprisingly I do have an opinion about things, but instead of stating my opinion and risk people not liking everything I have to say, I think people will believe I'm cooler if I come off as an angsty smartass that has jokes all the time so I post in a smartassed rhetorical manner. That's cool right jajaja? |
On the money, sir. You have boiled LSD down to his core forum essence... an "angsty smartass"... perfect description. Nicely done. |
Don't ignore the other compliments, you dick.
I'm cool and have a joke for everything as well.
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Posted on Thu Feb 07, 2013 19:37:57
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By Phegasus [463442]
It's covered in the FAQ. One of the Dragon Landers is going to house potentially, a PlantLab, an hydroponics lab which uses specific light ranges using LED to grow food.
They have a link to the supplier and their services.
I still have a hard time believing 2023 as the kick-off date for boots on the ground, but I do believe they can achieve it by 2030. It is an amazing feat regardless of the year it happens should they pull it off. |
As of 2013, I don't think any of the various space agencies have taken a plant through its entire life-cycle from seed to plant, then back to seed again in low or zero gravity. It'd be a pretty big (and terminal) "whoopsie" moment to get to Mars only to find out that there are problems with plant growth or how much usable food they yield. Even on Earth, closed-system experiments (like Biosphere 2) have run into significant problems.
The consequences of accidents are multiplied by the distance & difficulty of getting stuff to Mars. If something catastrophically fails in a hydroponics lab on Earth, you can order new parts, fresh plants, and start again. If something catastrophically fails on Mars it could potentially be a year and a half before you could get replacements, and getting it there safely still isn't guaranteed. Even if you have 100% redundancy as an emergency contingency, there's always the potential for the redundancy to fail before replacements arrive.
It's not a situation where you can rely on something that might or should work - you definitely want something proven to work. When the Mars-One FAQ includes the statement "No new developments – Our entire plan revolves around using existing, validated technology", that's simply not the truth. For example with the hydroponics, there is no "existing and validated technology" for growing plants on another planet. Closed-system environmental control is still a work in process. Hashing out the basic science & engineering somewhere relatively closer (ie - the Moon) makes a lot more sense, and even that is probably going to have to wait until there are cheaper & more reliable ways of getting stuff into space.
The question of where the money is going to come from is where things gets dodgiest for me. A figure in the tens of billions stretches credibility. Hundreds of billions is more likely, and it's unrealistic to believe an NPO is going to come up with that sort of cash in the time-frame they put forward.
Going about these things half-assed is its own breed of problem, because when something inevitably goes wrong and the brave new Martians suffocate, freeze, starve to death, catch a horrible disease from a dirty toilet seat, or all get murdered by big Sven (after he goes batshit crazy from trying to live with a bunch of other people in a series of sealed tin cans each the size of your bedroom and motherf**kers won't stop farting), then that's going to make it so much harder to sell the idea the next time.
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Think about it. If, throughout history, the innovators had heeded the doubters, we wouldn't have things such as electricity, internal-combustion engines, even the theory of relativity...think of how strange that one must have sounded to people who had never heard of it before...I'm sure more than one person had called Einstein a lunatic to his face.
I view Mars as sort of this generation's frontier. Sure, in the 1800's the Oregon Trail was a very dangerous, even crazy undertaking. But today, we have a fully populated and civilized west coast.
I'd imagine a white man on the western edges of the frontier would feel as lonely as any man on mars...even more so, considering lack of two-way communications.
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Posted on Thu Feb 07, 2013 19:59:28
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It's covered in the FAQ. One of the Dragon Landers is going to house potentially, a PlantLab, an hydroponics lab which uses specific light ranges using LED to grow food.
They have a link to the supplier and their services.
I still have a hard time believing 2023 as the kick-off date for boots on the ground, but I do believe they can achieve it by 2030. It is an amazing feat regardless of the year it happens should they pull it off. |
As of 2013, I don't think any of the various space agencies have taken a plant through its entire life-cycle from seed to plant, then back to seed again in low or zero gravity. It'd be a pretty big (and terminal) "whoopsie" moment to get to Mars only to find out that there are problems with plant growth or how much usable food they yield. Even on Earth, closed-system experiments (like Biosphere 2) have run into significant problems.
The consequences of accidents are multiplied by the distance & difficulty of getting stuff to Mars. If something catastrophically fails in a hydroponics lab on Earth, you can order new parts, fresh plants, and start again. If something catastrophically fails on Mars it could potentially be a year and a half before you could get replacements, and getting it there safely still isn't guaranteed. Even if you have 100% redundancy as an emergency contingency, there's always the potential for the redundancy to fail before replacements arrive.
It's not a situation where you can rely on something that might or should work - you definitely want something proven to work. When the Mars-One FAQ includes the statement "No new developments – Our entire plan revolves around using existing, validated technology", that's simply not the truth. For example with the hydroponics, there is no "existing and validated technology" for growing plants on another planet. Closed-system environmental control is still a work in process. Hashing out the basic science & engineering somewhere relatively closer (ie - the Moon) makes a lot more sense, and even that is probably going to have to wait until there are cheaper & more reliable ways of getting stuff into space.
The question of where the money is going to come from is where things gets dodgiest for me. A figure in the tens of billions stretches credibility. Hundreds of billions is more likely, and it's unrealistic to believe an NPO is going to come up with that sort of cash in the time-frame they put forward.
Going about these things half-assed is its own breed of problem, because when something inevitably goes wrong and the brave new Martians suffocate, freeze, starve to death, catch a horrible disease from a dirty toilet seat, or all get murdered by big Sven (after he goes batshit crazy from trying to live with a bunch of other people in a series of sealed tin cans each the size of your bedroom and motherf**kers won't stop farting), then that's going to make it so much harder to sell the idea the next time.
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Think about it. If, throughout history, the innovators had heeded the doubters, we wouldn't have things such as electricity, internal-combustion engines, even the theory of relativity...think of how strange that one must have sounded to people who had never heard of it before...I'm sure more than one person had called Einstein a lunatic to his face.
I view Mars as sort of this generation's frontier. Sure, in the 1800's the Oregon Trail was a very dangerous, even crazy undertaking. But today, we have a fully populated and civilized west coast.
I'd imagine a white man on the western edges of the frontier would feel as lonely as any man on mars...even more so, considering lack of two-way communications.
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Loneliness and bravery are not what is being called into question. No doubt there are people out there who can psychologically survive such a task, human's are pretty good at that. The issue is pure and simple logistics. In the 1800s, a man could buy a wagon, some horses and supplies and set out west. In the 2000s, a man, no matter how brave, cannot simply buy a rocket and fly off into the cosmos by merit of his own courage. It didn't cost tens of billions and more likely, much much more than that to invent electricity or develop the theory of relativity.
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Posted on Thu Feb 07, 2013 20:08:42
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If you would have thoroughly read the mars-one website, you would know that the project is going to be primarily funded by recording the entirety of the mission, and broadcasting it for everyone on Earth to see. That is one of the most exciting components of the project, and plausibly capable of procuring the required funds.
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Posted on Thu Feb 07, 2013 20:13:07
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seriously?
Suzanne Flinkenflögel just wants your paypal donations in exchange for peddling fantasies.
ask yourself what's more likely.
1. These norwegians raise billions of dollars and shoot hundreds of people into space when not a single non-profit on the planet can even afford to launch a communications satellite? What's more .. they do it from a country that doesn't even have nuclear technology.
2. She makes enough to put dinner on the table and continues selling sci-fi for a living?
here is what a real international effort in science looks like
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITASE
idiocy abounds
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Posted on Thu Feb 07, 2013 20:17:49
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these guys will get to mars first. They have drive... and money.
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Posted on Thu Feb 07, 2013 22:09:43
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oh C'mon. Star Wars, Total Recall, Dead Space, Halo are just Fictional.
I'm damn sure the Human who announced this to media, must be a fan of one of these.
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Posted on Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:01:27
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By nudist_rebels [589653]
seriously?
Suzanne Flinkenflögel just wants your paypal donations in exchange for peddling fantasies.
ask yourself what's more likely.
1. These norwegians raise billions of dollars and shoot hundreds of people into space when not a single non-profit on the planet can even afford to launch a communications satellite? What's more .. they do it from a country that doesn't even have nuclear technology.
2. She makes enough to put dinner on the table and continues selling sci-fi for a living?
here is what a real international effort in science looks like
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITASE
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Idiocy would be to assume the Norwegians need to build they're own rockets to get this done or that they require nuclear capabilities to achieve this. One shouldn't be so quick to label.
SpaceX is a private company that specialises commerical spaceflight, with contracts such as regularly resupplying the ISS, perofrming satellite repairs, research etc at a cost far cheaper than national or international agencies.
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Posted on Fri Feb 08, 2013 16:03:20
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By Phegasus [463442]
By nudist_rebels [589653]
seriously?
Suzanne Flinkenflögel just wants your paypal donations in exchange for peddling fantasies.
ask yourself what's more likely.
1. These norwegians raise billions of dollars and shoot hundreds of people into space when not a single non-profit on the planet can even afford to launch a communications satellite? What's more .. they do it from a country that doesn't even have nuclear technology.
2. She makes enough to put dinner on the table and continues selling sci-fi for a living?
here is what a real international effort in science looks like
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITASE
idiocy abounds |
Idiocy would be to assume the Norwegians need to build they're own rockets to get this done or that they require nuclear capabilities to achieve this. One shouldn't be so quick to label.
SpaceX is a private company that specialises commerical spaceflight, with contracts such as regularly resupplying the ISS, perofrming satellite repairs, research etc at a cost far cheaper than national or international agencies.
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*sigh*
spacex has nothing to do with norway, or non-profit activity... and they will come to the same fate as sealaunch.
keep smoking crack.
don't give these guys money. They just waste it on TC donator packs.
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Posted on Fri Feb 08, 2013 16:20:19
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I wouldn't mind colonizing that
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Posted on Fri Feb 08, 2013 16:20:41
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By nudist_rebels [589653]
By Phegasus [463442]
By nudist_rebels [589653]
seriously?
Suzanne Flinkenflögel just wants your paypal donations in exchange for peddling fantasies.
ask yourself what's more likely.
1. These norwegians raise billions of dollars and shoot hundreds of people into space when not a single non-profit on the planet can even afford to launch a communications satellite? What's more .. they do it from a country that doesn't even have nuclear technology.
2. She makes enough to put dinner on the table and continues selling sci-fi for a living?
here is what a real international effort in science looks like
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITASE
idiocy abounds |
Idiocy would be to assume the Norwegians need to build they're own rockets to get this done or that they require nuclear capabilities to achieve this. One shouldn't be so quick to label.
SpaceX is a private company that specialises commerical spaceflight, with contracts such as regularly resupplying the ISS, perofrming satellite repairs, research etc at a cost far cheaper than national or international agencies.
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*sigh*
spacex has nothing to do with norway, or non-profit activity... and they will come to the same fate as sealaunch.
keep smoking crack.
don't give these guys money. They just waste it on TC donator packs. |
Why do you keep going on about Norway? It's not a Norwegian National effort, and not-for-profit doesn't mean anything when it comes to sourcing or leasing products and services.
I think you need to read the website before passing comments/judgements as from your current responses it doesn't appear you have.
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