The state insisted that they reveal the donor’s identity, saying that if they refused to do so, their daughter would no longer be eligible for health care coverage.
Kansas barely even lets evolution be taught in schools. It's a third world religious oligarchy.
Why and the hell would any rational person seek to have contact with the government in Kansas instead of moving to a civilized place?
I'd sooner put my child's health care in the hands of a clown. At least a clown would just be negligent, and not actively seek to damage my child's life via legislation and government payments.
Not where I live thank fk. That is also so corrupt. Wtf has a persons driving license have to do with anything.
What ashole allowed these dictator like laws? I'm glad I don't live over there.
Concern should drive us into action and not into depression
Not where I live thank fk. That is also so corrupt. Wtf has a persons driving license have to do with anything.
What ashole allowed these dictator like laws? I'm glad I don't live over there.
it came down from generations of men not doing jack shit for their kids,after they were born. More or less paying for the sins of our fathers type of deal.
they can also take your tax refund, & in a lot of cases actually go into your bank acct. & deplete your funds.
I can speak from experience when i say these people can literally make your life a living hell. why else do you see so many times in a divorced family, that when the mom gets remarried, she ends up driving around a new escalade & the dad is lucky if he can afford to put gas into a beat up chevy pinto.
Not where I live thank fk. That is also so corrupt. Wtf has a persons driving license have to do with anything.
What ashole allowed these dictator like laws? I'm glad I don't live over there.
it came down from generations of men not doing jack shit for their kids,after they were born. More or less paying for the sins of our fathers type of deal.
they can also take your tax refund, & in a lot of cases actually go into your bank acct. & deplete your funds.
I can speak from experience when i say these people can literally make your life a living hell. why else do you see so many times in a divorced family, that when the mom gets remarried, she ends up driving around a new escalade & the dad is lucky if he can afford to put gas into a beat up chevy pinto.
And women complain about not being equal.
Concern should drive us into action and not into depression
Aside from the case GF speaks of , which is horrendously fffddd up.
Best advice i can give any man is. Don't ever settle for anything less than shared parenting. & even if you do get that. Make sure you have private health insurance. Regardless of shared parenting or not. If a child is on state insurance. 1 of thee parent's, usually the 1 that makes more $$ will STILL have to pay child support. Even though in a lot of cases the state doesn't see any money for the ins. they pay for.
Don't ask me how or why the laws work that way. They just do.
Ok this sucks! Stupid woman should have just told them the child was conceived via a one night stand and she doesn't know the name. Would have made her look slutty but the poor dude that helped her wouldn't be going through all this.
There's always a way around shit like this you just have to look for it hard enough.
This would be, like, a whole lot cooler if it was about the band Kansas.
Anyway, this is obviously bullshit, and uh:
"reached a deal with Marotta that did not include any payment for his sperm donation, he signed a written agreement that relinquished all parental rights and held him harmless “for any child support payments demanded of him by any other person or entity, public or private ... regardless of the circumstances or said demand,” it said.
The state argued in court papers that because the insemination wasn’t performed by a licensed physician, the contract was null and void."
Yeah, that's not how contracts work, state of Kansas. Also, I dunno bout you guys, but my insemination wasn't performed by a licensed physician, although my mom became one later. My dad is a librarian though.
ANYWAY, I'd sue the state of Kansas right back for demanding they drag this shit up, because the agreement clearly invovlved anonymity and they demanded his identity be revealed.
Still, there is kind of a legit reason for this. At least in my state, parents (mothers mostly obviously) can't apply for government assistance if they are not also at least asking for child support. I imagine this is so dudes can't spray sperm all over town while disdaining condoms and foot the taxpayers with the bill.
However, any court worth its salt should immediatley see the difference in situation and the firm protection this guy, if not the couple, should have under the law. I think some dickhead just wanted to slap down some lesbos and the guy who'd let them have his sperm in a non-biblical manner. Reap without the sow, harvest without the plowing, you knowhatimsayin.
GirlFriday, thank you for once again pointing out the absurdity of our system of governance and legalities... a system in which common sense has long since been removed from common law... a system in which the minority view usually trumps the majority view.
I shudder to think what the next 25 years will bring for this once proud nation. We are idiots being ruled by morons in the USA... and sadly I see no where better to run, or I would be tempted to sprint.
By MachineGunSteve [184119]
GirlFriday, thank you for once again pointing out the absurdity of our system of governance and legalities... a system in which common sense has long since been removed from common law... a system in which the minority view usually trumps the majority view.
I shudder to think what the next 25 years will bring for this once proud nation. We are idiots being ruled by morons in the USA... and sadly I see no where better to run, or I would be tempted to sprint.
Obviously this is a common sense exception, but am I wrong in thinking that in general you'd support the letter of the law in this? Letter of the law being something designed to prevent irresponsible people being on welfare without first exhausting other opportunities?
By MachineGunSteve [184119]
GirlFriday, thank you for once again pointing out the absurdity of our system of governance and legalities... a system in which common sense has long since been removed from common law... a system in which the minority view usually trumps the majority view.
I shudder to think what the next 25 years will bring for this once proud nation. We are idiots being ruled by morons in the USA... and sadly I see no where better to run, or I would be tempted to sprint.
I feel your pain.
By Skunkdoctor [1371548]
Obviously this is a common sense exception, but am I wrong in thinking that in general you'd support the letter of the law in this? Letter of the law being something designed to prevent irresponsible people being on welfare without first exhausting other opportunities?
I don't know about Steve, but I support it in general. However, I think it suffers from an extremely set of rigid, uncompromising rules that gives no consideration whatsoever to what's actually happening.
I'm also wondering why this man was sought for child support and not the woman who is the other parent.
" Marotta's attorneys claimed that as the sperm donor, he had no responsibility to pay. But the state shot back saying that the agreement signed was invalid because the artificial insemination was not performed by a licensed physician, according to legal documents.
"The state does not recognize the contract. We'll see if the courts in Kansas do," Swinnen said. "We have filed a motion to dismiss. We hope to prevail, but this is the first round." "
By MachineGunSteve [184119]
GirlFriday, thank you for once again pointing out the absurdity of our system of governance and legalities... a system in which common sense has long since been removed from common law... a system in which the minority view usually trumps the majority view.
I shudder to think what the next 25 years will bring for this once proud nation. We are idiots being ruled by morons in the USA... and sadly I see no where better to run, or I would be tempted to sprint.
Obviously this is a common sense exception, but am I wrong in thinking that in general you'd support the letter of the law in this? Letter of the law being something designed to prevent irresponsible people being on welfare without first exhausting other opportunities?
The letter of the law in this case would seem to me to be upholding both a verbal and a written contract between the two parties... the women, who without the help of the man, would not have been able to have a biological child. The contract stipulated that the man would not be held responsible for the welfare of the child, however the state, using what amounts to brute force, has decided it would render the contract null and void on technicalities, because it suits the states needs... never mind the needs of the man involved. There is so much wrong with this whole scenario that I can not even begin to decide the correct course of action here, other than to say that the original intentions of the parties involved should be upheld, because that seems like the most logical approach.
The Unintended Consequences of Good Intentions, rears it's ugly head once again.
"Those who have given themselves the most concern about the happiness of peoples have made their neighbours very miserable."
~ Anatole France
Just in case anyone thinks stupid only happens in Kansas:
"The parents of a 6-year-old Silver Spring boy are fighting the first-grader’s suspension from a Montgomery County public school for pointing his finger like a gun and saying “pow,” an incident school officials characterized in a disciplinary letter as a threat “to shoot a student.”"
you already said all that for December 21st and failed.
are you somewhat related to ED? you both keep making empty promises, though I give you the benefit of doubt in what intelligence is concerned, as he clearly drawn the short straw.
you already said all that for December 21st and failed.
are you somewhat related to ED? you both keep making empty promises, though I give you the benefit of doubt in what intelligence is concerned, as he clearly drawn the short straw.
"When the two women split in 2010, they had eight children, including some they adopted, whom they now co-parent"
For f**ks sake, does anybody not care about them having so many kids to begin with. They should have known the parents are not going to be able to support the kids.
"When the two women split in 2010, they had eight children, including some they adopted, whom they now co-parent"
For f**ks sake, does anybody not care about them having so many kids to begin with. They should have known the parents are not going to be able to support the kids.
I've said it many times over the years if condoms were free you'd have less issues involving child support and families on welfare.
I think its bs personally. However, the sperm was not donated through a licenses clinic so the states current laws to protect men whom donate do not apply. Also, they were not friends, they met on craigslist. Im not saying i agree but they didnt follow the rules
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