By Overeem [1605430]
hell i admit if i sore the world was ending there's 1 or 2 people in this world i'd love to put a bullet in but i'm sane thankfully...
And yes, who hasn't got that 1 person in their life they'd love to do worse than put a bullet in their head.. i thought that was being nice... i guess you could say i have a hatred for child abusing pedophiles who due to your countries justice system still walks the streets a free man.. saying you'd love to do something and actually doing it are two totally different things
By Overeem [1605430]
"to say" not to do there's a tiny difference..
I bet the psycho who killed all these kids has been "saying" things for a long time. His friends and family probably brushed it off as blowing off steam or a joke, not so funny now right
edit- As far as pedos go I might be inclined to kick their teeth down their throat but I wouldn't want to kill anyone unless I was defending my friends/family/innocent people.... ie If I was holding and saw this guy start shooting kids I obviously would shoot him and wouldnt feel too bad
I think people throw around the word "police state" and have no idea what it means. Every single sporting event I've been to in 4 different countries, I have passed through security pat downs and metal detector wands. At airports we all send our luggage through x-ray and are all subject to being patted down or have our luggage closer inspected. Yet, I have never seen police "running" towns because of this.
Protecting vulnerable environments, such as schools, is not a police state. As I said, I grew up having armed cops in my school with many other security features, and we practiced lock down drills like fire drills. We also had to evacuate my school fairly consistently, but this was mostly due to some kids calling in bomb threats as jokes, but nonetheless, we were pretty prepared for these types of situations. I don't see ANY reason why having security at schools is bad or means the US is a police state. Now trust me, I am all for keeping personal freedom and don't believe the government has rights to pry into a person's life for no reason, but I have absolutely no problem going through airport security and don't feel "violated" for it. As I had no problem with police being at my high school.
But I guess we can all keep pretending the problem doesn't exist, until the next school shooting happens and then we can all talk about how awful it is and again do nothing to prevent them in the future. That is surely the better option, right?
I don't know about you guys, but this has absolutely broken my heart. I have no connections to the event, but still could not get the topic off my mind all day, and have felt terrible because of this. I have actually never been so affected by an event like this in my life.
disgraceful security should be priority. should never have got into school grounds should have magnetic locking on doors so only time people can get in and out is at morning lunch and afterschool
prefects should have watch over enterences during lunch so noone can access school ilegally
it can, and does, happen anywhere for the sole reason that there are crazy people everywhere... it's a matter of how often it happens and in the U.S. it seems to happen way too often
i understand having a hunting weapon or 2 if you're a hunter, and a couple of specialised firearms of you're involved in competitive shooting ...
but i can see no reason for someone to have 3 or 4 handguns + 2 or 3 rifles + 2 or 3 shotguns + machine guns + god knows what, as we've seen some people post in these very forums (whether its true or not is debatable but lets assume it is for some of the posters) ... there are way too many firearms floating around in civilians hands in the US
By JSnows [14906]
it can, and does, happen anywhere for the sole reason that there are crazy people everywhere... it's a matter of how often it happens and in the U.S. it seems to happen way too often
While yes it absolutely does happen WAY too often in the US, it seems guns have little to do with it, as taken from the link of the Chinese attack that occurred today:
"Security measures have been enhanced at Chinese schools following the deaths of some 20 Chinese children in a series of such knife attacks in recent years." - clicky
The problem here is lack of security. Now sure, I'm sure someone will say UK schools don't have security, and that's fine. If it works for them it works... but it's obviously not working in some areas of the world, be it knives or guns, and it has to do with the fact there is little security. Also, in the story on the Chinese knife attack on an elementary school, it says security guards stopped the man during his attack. Whereas the best we can do in the US is let the shooters go on their rampage, kill themselves, and then show up with SWAT members after-the-fact when everything is done.
Just last night over dinner I sat talking to my partner about the harder side of teaching.
“Threat assessments,” I found myself saying. “Suicide prevention, lock-down drills and a game plan.”
I watched his eyes widen.
“Are you safe?” he asked. “I don’t like this. I don’t like this at all.” He had never before heard me talk about all the darker details of my daily job. All the planning, postulating and prevention that goes in to keeping our campus protected. All the small signs I’ve learned to watch for in struggling students, all the times we’ve called a meeting, managed a suspension, or sent a kid straight from school to the mental health ward of a hospital in order to try and keep our small little world safe.
“I want you out of the classroom,” he told me in a protectively irrational moment of fear.
“I’m fine,” I said. “I’m as safe as I’d be anywhere, anytime.”
Like watching the midnight premiere of a movie in my local theater, perhaps.
And then I woke to the news.
Connecticut. As safe as anywhere. Anytime.
And I did what all teachers do. I gasped. I saw myself in my own classroom, with my own students. I wondered which ones of them would have made it out alive, which ones would have fallen. I wondered if I would have made it out alive. If I would have had the courage to protect them or would I have caved and run. I went over the layout of my classroom in my head…”Where’s the door? Could we get out the windows? What’s the closest shelter once we hit the pavement and start running?”
I watched the hurt, frightened, and angry comments line up on Facebook. Once again, national outrage. Once again, the gun debate. Once again, finger pointing and soul searching.
So I decided to take a different view.
The view that despite the tragedy, there is more good than bad. The view that more than danger, schools provide safety. The view that although we’re not perfect, we’re doing damn well.
And I decided to give my own small pieces of evidence to prove it.
Like that just this week, I saw a bully sharing lunch with the kid he used to pick on. Just this week, a student with significant disabilities sidled up to me shyly and whispered, “Is it okay if I bring you a Christmas present?” Just this week, I caught the kid who thought he would fail bragging to a friend “Yeah, I always get A’s. It’s just that I’m really good at Spanish.” Just this week, the sullen girl from the beginning of the year sat gabbing in my room about how great her teachers were. “They never talk down to me,” she said. “And they always think that I can do it!” Just this week, I know of three students who got the counseling they needed because teachers intervened.
Just this week…
There was one shooting, but there were endless acts of good.
And so, without the slightest intention of minimizing the horror or tragedy for the families in Connecticut, I’m challenging you to honor the good. To recognize the successes that are happening every day, in every classroom, in every town. Including Newtown.
We will learn from this. We will get better. But even while we heal, in tiny little classrooms and giant auditoriums across the country, the acts of kindness will outnumber the acts of horror. The good will outdo the bad. Hope, progress and the giggles of children learning will rise above the fear.
So let us be the good. Tell us what you saw this week. Leave your little bit of positivity below like a tiny prayer for victims’ families, and pass it on.
For every act of horror, let there be a thousand acts of good.
By Snoop187 [1510238]
I don't really care tbh it wasn't anybody I know
You sir need to go kill your self. These are innocent kids that died..and you don't care. And say it was your family member how would you feel if people said they didn't give a shit about your loss.
stop posting if you got nothing positive to say.
Ignore him, he's just trolling. He never has anything positive to say.
...just a poor bastard who needs attention and can only get it with negative strokes...that's usually what happens when your daddy calls you stupid too many times...
real question i want to know is what was his motive
the guy had no criminal record and no known psychological issues(i doubt that) so he may of just snapped for some reason and went on a rampage......if thats the case it must've been something crazy or tramatic.
Gungrave, supposedly the shooter's brother has told police that he did indeed have a history of mental illness. No other reports to really confirm this or to elaborate on it, but it's been hinted at.
But people don't just "snap" like that. There are hundreds of millions of people in the country who get very pissed off or discover terrible news every day and don't end up killing 20 elementary school kids and shoot their own mother in the face, among other victims. If that were the case, then every single one of the victims' family members would be out killing scores of people the next few days--but that is not the case.
More than anything, I just believe it's the way kids are brought up, and the views society now seems to hold on people not wanting to discipline their kids anymore. Or parents who blame and sue every possibly person or entity for their children's shortcomings or failures to not be an asshole, rather than pointing the finger at themselves and their child. Is it ironic that up until the 1980s, "going postal" was not considered a term in the American lexicon.... then came all the work shootings over disgruntled employees, yet school shootings were non-existent... is it now a coincidence that the next generation of kids/young adults are now shooting up schools? It seems to be progressing down a path where EVERYONE else is to blame for something other than the individual. But Maybe I'm just overreacting to this news today.
By Gungrave [470221]
real question i want to know is what was his motive
the guy had no criminal record and no known psychological issues(i doubt that) so he may of just snapped for some reason and went on a rampage......if thats the case it must've been something crazy or tramatic.
Thats my question in the matter. There obviously had to be some suppressed issue's somewhere.(home perhaps)If not had to be some scary skeletons in his closet.
Im sure we'll hear much more about it in day & weeks to come, which sadly i don't look forward to, cause all it's gonna do is drag out & relive the horrible moment for the parents & families who lost there children today. If there is a hell i hope this guys burning in it rite now, which in my opinion, still doesn't seem a fitting enough punishment.
By bosox [278767]
Gungrave, supposedly the shooter's brother has told police that he did indeed have a history of mental illness. No other reports to really confirm this or to elaborate on it, but it's been hinted at.
mental illness or not, it still a cop out. i know people that are state certified nut jobs who would do such a horrendous thing.
By bosox [278767]
More than anything, I just believe it's the way kids are brought up, and the views society now seems to hold on people not wanting to discipline their kids anymore. Or parents who blame and sue every possibly person or entity for their children's shortcomings or failures to not be an asshole, rather than pointing the finger at themselves and their child. Is it ironic that up until the 1980s, "going postal" was not considered a term in the American lexicon.... then came all the work shootings over disgruntled employees, yet school shootings were non-existent... is it now a coincidence that the next generation of kids/young adults are now shooting up schools? It seems to be progressing down a path where EVERYONE else is to blame for something other than the individual. But Maybe I'm just overreacting to this news today.
i never gave a shit what others thought of me when i was growing up, i minded my own business, did my work and my parents gave me a serious ass kicking if i did something wrong or out of line.
More parents need to resort to spanking or using the belt on their kids to punish them because "time out" or taking away privileges sure as shit doesn't do anything. Pain is the teacher my father used to raise me and its how his father raised him and its worked for generations.
here is an example of one kid who obviously wasn't raised well
i used to be good friends with my high school bus driver and he had one kid who wouldn't listen after he told him to sit down and be quiet 15 TIMES! so he walked to the back of the bus and asked the kid politely "I'm here asking you to please do what I say" to which the kid cocked his head back and snorted his nose to gather mucus in his mouth and spat in the driver's face. Now he said "ok I tried it the nice way now im gonna show you how we did it when i misbehaved as a kid" so he proceeds to spanking the kid but the kid still didnt' listen and spat in the driver's face again which is when he lost it and gave the kid a friggin right hook and knocked him out. When I learned of this I told him that I would of done the same damn thing if that little shit did that.
By BuckWyld [1009930]
mental illness or not, it still a cop out. i know people that are state certified nut jobs who would do such a horrendous thing.
The fact he may have had a mental illness does not excuse away anything. But the fact he may have had a mental illness and I'm sure his parents probably didn't want to accept it or refused to discipline him when he acted out in the past probably led to this. Both sides are equally responsible, as no normal person who was brought up right commits these crimes, and no normal person who doesn't believe they are entitled to anything they want commits these crimes. Both feed into each other and both are responsible.
Stepping up security in schools will do less than controlling guns in my opinion. I guess that's because I'm anti gun and see the negatives outweighing the positives in almost every story I hear about Americans wielding firearms.
I also find it strange that people are using the 'China' example to say "it's not about guns". The countries in question can not really be compared. One is a developing country, one is meant to be the forefront of developed countries. China, I'm not sure if you are aware, has security in all of their schools. The guards have electric battons that work like tazers and security gates, for the guard to check why someone is entering school. There is also only one point of entry in all schools I have been to in China. So I don't think security would do very much if the culprit is trusted by the institution, how could it? Admittedly, the crazy in China didn't use gun, he used knife or slashy weapon. But Indiana Jones taught us that gun beats sword every time. And I think we'd all prefer to fight man with sword than man with gun.
Crazy people live everywhere, but in most countries (especially developed ones) a large percentage of the population don't have guns. The more people have guns, the more crazies have guns. Simple percentages.
I don't care for the stats that say "higher control on guns leads to more gun crime" because it's obvious- it's like banning anything that used to be legal. If you made laws against eating noodles, noodle related crime would probably sky rocket (there would now be laws to break about eating noodles).
So, yes. This is really tragic news (both schools, is hard to fathom that people can do things like this). But I think this is really another 'should guns be that available?' thread.
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Just last night over dinner I sat talking to my partner about the harder side of teaching.
“Threat assessments,” I found myself saying. “Suicide prevention, lock-down drills and a game plan.”
I watched his eyes widen.
“Are you safe?” he asked. “I don’t like this. I don’t like this at all.” He had never before heard me talk about all the darker details of my daily job. All the planning, postulating and prevention that goes in to keeping our campus protected. All the small signs I’ve learned to watch for in struggling students, all the times we’ve called a meeting, managed a suspension, or sent a kid straight from school to the mental health ward of a hospital in order to try and keep our small little world safe.
“I want you out of the classroom,” he told me in a protectively irrational moment of fear.
“I’m fine,” I said. “I’m as safe as I’d be anywhere, anytime.”
Like watching the midnight premiere of a movie in my local theater, perhaps.
And then I woke to the news.
Connecticut. As safe as anywhere. Anytime.
And I did what all teachers do. I gasped. I saw myself in my own classroom, with my own students. I wondered which ones of them would have made it out alive, which ones would have fallen. I wondered if I would have made it out alive. If I would have had the courage to protect them or would I have caved and run. I went over the layout of my classroom in my head…”Where’s the door? Could we get out the windows? What’s the closest shelter once we hit the pavement and start running?”
I watched the hurt, frightened, and angry comments line up on Facebook. Once again, national outrage. Once again, the gun debate. Once again, finger pointing and soul searching.
So I decided to take a different view.
The view that despite the tragedy, there is more good than bad. The view that more than danger, schools provide safety. The view that although we’re not perfect, we’re doing damn well.
And I decided to give my own small pieces of evidence to prove it.
Like that just this week, I saw a bully sharing lunch with the kid he used to pick on. Just this week, a student with significant disabilities sidled up to me shyly and whispered, “Is it okay if I bring you a Christmas present?” Just this week, I caught the kid who thought he would fail bragging to a friend “Yeah, I always get A’s. It’s just that I’m really good at Spanish.” Just this week, the sullen girl from the beginning of the year sat gabbing in my room about how great her teachers were. “They never talk down to me,” she said. “And they always think that I can do it!” Just this week, I know of three students who got the counseling they needed because teachers intervened.
Just this week…
There was one shooting, but there were endless acts of good.
And so, without the slightest intention of minimizing the horror or tragedy for the families in Connecticut, I’m challenging you to honor the good. To recognize the successes that are happening every day, in every classroom, in every town. Including Newtown.
We will learn from this. We will get better. But even while we heal, in tiny little classrooms and giant auditoriums across the country, the acts of kindness will outnumber the acts of horror. The good will outdo the bad. Hope, progress and the giggles of children learning will rise above the fear.
So let us be the good. Tell us what you saw this week. Leave your little bit of positivity below like a tiny prayer for victims’ families, and pass it on.
For every act of horror, let there be a thousand acts of good.
By JSnows [14906]
it can, and does, happen anywhere for the sole reason that there are crazy people everywhere... it's a matter of how often it happens and in the U.S. it seems to happen way too often
While yes it absolutely does happen WAY too often in the US, it seems guns have little to do with it, as taken from the link of the Chinese attack that occurred today:
"Security measures have been enhanced at Chinese schools following the deaths of some 20 Chinese children in a series of such knife attacks in recent years." - clicky
The problem here is lack of security. Now sure, I'm sure someone will say UK schools don't have security, and that's fine. If it works for them it works... but it's obviously not working in some areas of the world, be it knives or guns, and it has to do with the fact there is little security. Also, in the story on the Chinese knife attack on an elementary school, it says security guards stopped the man during his attack. Whereas the best we can do in the US is let the shooters go on their rampage, kill themselves, and then show up with SWAT members after-the-fact when everything is done.
someone compiled a list of school related attacks on wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school-related_attacks
you'll notice that , rough estimate, half of school related attacks worldwide are in the US and nearly always include deaths (not always but almost)
the sum of those unrelated attacks in China has added up to 20 deaths ... that specific attack itself had 22 injured but no deaths at all ... how many have died in similar attacks in the US over the last 2 or 3 years? i won't count them, but many more i'm sure
By Christmashead [1581564]
I also find it strange that people are using the 'China' example to say "it's not about guns". The countries in question can not really be compared. One is a developing country, one is meant to be the forefront of developed countries.
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