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Posted on Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:51:21
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I'd say Revolver for Close Combat & Semi-Auto for ranged.
This is my Semi-Auto weapon of choice:
I'd use this revolver:
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Posted on Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:53:51
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My family is not "gun people", we just purchase 1 just in case. So yea, I have very little gun experience and haven't shot before. I heard glock is good for beginners & that's what the cops use... |
Regardless if your family are 'into' guns or not, it would be wise from a personal safety standpoint to have at least one member of your family with some experience firing/loading/correctly storing this handgun you plan to buy.
Gun ranges can be quite fun once you have some preliminary instruction from someone who knows what they're doing and it's not that expensive.
Safety before anything, esp in a family context. (remember - your family's safety is the reason you want the gun in the first place.
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. Agreed, I feel everyone who would in case of a robbery have to use the gun, be trained in the basic safety and firing/reloading of whichever.gun you decide to purchase. Also know the laws of your state. Some states have stricter laws than others when it comes to shooting an intruder.
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Posted on Sat Nov 17, 2012 15:34:49
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Why would you shoot a trespasser?
ffs.
What are u defending? Are you holding people hostage in your house?
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Posted on Sat Nov 17, 2012 17:35:40
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If someone is robbing your house and has a weapon, u may fear for your life and shoot. What's point of getting a gun if you never intend on using it (when it is called for)
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Posted on Sat Nov 17, 2012 19:18:37
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It's kinda hard to suggest if you don't provide the type of guns. However, this come from a person whose been living in a country that forbid firearms and never fire one, except those from games and such.
I'd prefer one with most light weight. I heard for the untrained, the recoil of every shot is really bad for shoulder. More weight would make the aiming less accurate too. Revolver have this criteria.
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What you heard about recoil for pistols is rubbish |
Link: Boom-head-knock
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Posted on Sat Nov 17, 2012 19:51:14
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It's kinda hard to suggest if you don't provide the type of guns. However, this come from a person whose been living in a country that forbid firearms and never fire one, except those from games and such.
I'd prefer one with most light weight. I heard for the untrained, the recoil of every shot is really bad for shoulder. More weight would make the aiming less accurate too. Revolver have this criteria.
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What you heard about recoil for pistols is rubbish |
Link: Boom-head-knock |
For some reason, I don't think she'll be using 400 grain .500 Magnum rounds for home defense. Plus I'd hope she'd have a less ridiculous stance than the moron in that video.
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Posted on Sat Nov 17, 2012 20:54:33
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It's kinda hard to suggest if you don't provide the type of guns. However, this come from a person whose been living in a country that forbid firearms and never fire one, except those from games and such.
I'd prefer one with most light weight. I heard for the untrained, the recoil of every shot is really bad for shoulder. More weight would make the aiming less accurate too. Revolver have this criteria.
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What you heard about recoil for pistols is rubbish |
Link: Boom-head-knock |
For some reason, I don't think she'll be using 400 grain .500 Magnum rounds for home defense. Plus I'd hope she'd have a less ridiculous stance than the moron in that video. |
The point is about recoil for pistol.
And exactly what I am trying to convey, bad grip and stance plus gun's recoil = low accuracy and small probability of injury.
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Posted on Sat Nov 17, 2012 22:19:47
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It's kinda hard to suggest if you don't provide the type of guns. However, this come from a person whose been living in a country that forbid firearms and never fire one, except those from games and such.
I'd prefer one with most light weight. I heard for the untrained, the recoil of every shot is really bad for shoulder. More weight would make the aiming less accurate too. Revolver have this criteria.
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What you heard about recoil for pistols is rubbish |
Link: Boom-head-knock |
For some reason, I don't think she'll be using 400 grain .500 Magnum rounds for home defense. Plus I'd hope she'd have a less ridiculous stance than the moron in that video. |
The point is about recoil for pistol.
And exactly what I am trying to convey, bad grip and stance plus gun's recoil = low accuracy and small probability of injury. |
The point is you have already stated you have never fired a gun before except in video games I on the other hand have, while the op wants a pistol for home defense not hunting elephants so your link you poste to justify your earlier misinformation is childish at best , so please dont give advice from your extensive knowledge of cod.
For the op I would say go to a reputable gun dealer and see what they suggest .
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Posted on Sun Nov 18, 2012 00:41:58
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You Americans and your guns make me sick....I'm so jealous of you! I wish I could legally own a gun, but i'm in the UK, where the cops would probablys nick you for walking around with a water pistol in public.
Guess i'll just have to stick with the hose pipe and home made tazer....which is really just a metal pole attatched to a car battery.
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Posted on Sun Nov 18, 2012 01:07:16
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Just curious, what are you defending your home from?
I'd suggest a high-quality gun safe and worry about the make and model of the gun later. There are several thousand house breaks in which guns are stolen every year in this country, and a vastly smaller number of home invasions.
In fact, unless you're a drug dealer, the odds of you ever experiencing a home invasion are significantly lower than your chances of being struck by lightning.
Maybe get a lightning rod instead? You should be prepared.
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Posted on Sun Nov 18, 2012 01:11:58
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Pointlessness.
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Posted on Sun Nov 18, 2012 01:16:20
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LMAO, Rob, I just spent about 10 seconds laughing, with this picture of Vikings charging with the cavalry behind them.
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Posted on Sun Nov 18, 2012 01:18:34
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Haha, I edited that rant. I think there's only been one guy dumb enough to recommend a long gun for home defense, so I didn't want to make generalizations.
There is some good advice in here, though none of it addresses the utter lack of need for this type of thing.
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Posted on Sun Nov 18, 2012 01:33:37
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Well maybe some people live in pretty little gated communities, but my house has been broken into 3 times in the past 15 years and I've had my car stolen from my driveway. LUCKILY I was not there for the 3 break ins, but thats enough for me to know that if it happens again and I happen to be there this time, me and my family won't be the ones having to fear for our lives.
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Posted on Sun Nov 18, 2012 01:49:46
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Well maybe some people live in pretty little gated communities, but my house has been broken into 3 times in the past 15 years and I've had my car stolen from my driveway. LUCKILY I was not there for the 3 break ins, but thats enough for me to know that if it happens again and I happen to be there this time, me and my family won't be the ones having to fear for our lives. |
That's because thieves only target homes where no one is home.
This is why house breaks occur during the day, when people are working. Thieves don't want confrontation. They want a nice empty house where they can get in and out unnoticed.
Also, my next door neighbor is awaiting trial for armed carjacking, and there were four people shot two months ago at the convenience store three blocks from my house where I buy my cigarettes. I doubt I'd qualify as a gated community.
But I'm not in a gang and I don't deal, so I don't worry about home invasions.
Now, all that being said, house breaks are pretty awful to go through, so I really wouldn't blame someone who's been through that for wanting a gun. That kind of violation of your home requires some kind of response. It's a very shitty thing to deal with.
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Posted on Sun Nov 18, 2012 02:03:09
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Nobody here looks like they are actually trying to help the OP, most of you are just here to prove you know more about guns than the person who posted before you. You probably won't get any help here, there is no need to have a gun in your home unless you expect a break in which is unlikely. And if you insist on getting one, get a handgun that you can handle with ease.
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Posted on Sun Nov 18, 2012 02:05:28
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Well maybe some people live in pretty little gated communities, but my house has been broken into 3 times in the past 15 years and I've had my car stolen from my driveway. LUCKILY I was not there for the 3 break ins, but thats enough for me to know that if it happens again and I happen to be there this time, me and my family won't be the ones having to fear for our lives. |
That's because thieves only target homes where no one is home.
This is why house breaks occur during the day, when people are working. Thieves don't want confrontation. They want a nice empty house where they can get in and out unnoticed.
Also, my next door neighbor is awaiting trial for armed carjacking, and there were four people shot two months ago at the convenience store three blocks from my house where I buy my cigarettes. I doubt I'd qualify as a gated community.
But I'm not in a gang and I don't deal, so I don't worry about home invasions.
Now, all that being said, house breaks are pretty awful to go through, so I really wouldn't blame someone who's been through that for wanting a gun. That kind of violation of your home requires some kind of response. It's a very shitty thing to deal with. |
Very shitty indeed. What pissed me off more than anything was less the loss of replaceable things, but 2 of the 3 times these assholes destroyed alot of what they didn't take just for the shits and giggles. Faucets, pipes, couches etc. but even worse was framed photo's of family who have passed and stuff like that. It disgusted me to the point where I would gladly take a criminal charge for manslaughter or murder if I'm unlucky enough to ever catch someone in the act.
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Posted on Sun Nov 18, 2012 02:11:55
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Nobody here looks like they are actually trying to help the OP, most of you are just here to prove you know more about guns than the person who posted before you. You probably won't get any help here, there is no need to have a gun in your home unless you expect a break in which is unlikely. And if you insist on getting one, get a handgun that you can handle with ease. |
Exactly what kind of help would you suggest giving? Pro's and con's have been given for revolvers and semi's, suggestions have been made towards being properly trained and getting comfortable with a weapon and having the gun safely kept has been discussed. Even brand suggestions has been discussed, but as stated by others, everyone is different and not everyone is suited for particular guns. Some people can't handle higher caliber, some people can. My gun of choice may not suit someone else, so its up to them to find a gun that suits them. If I had to make a suggestion, I'd probably say a Judge if he can handle it.
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Posted on Sun Nov 18, 2012 02:12:26
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Glock 21 in .45 ACP, you won't find a more reliable semi auto in my opinion and with that caliber any intruder would be very lucky to walk away.
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Posted on Sun Nov 18, 2012 02:57:06
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Well maybe some people live in pretty little gated communities, but my house has been broken into 3 times in the past 15 years and I've had my car stolen from my driveway. LUCKILY I was not there for the 3 break ins, but thats enough for me to know that if it happens again and I happen to be there this time, me and my family won't be the ones having to fear for our lives. |
That's because thieves only target homes where no one is home.
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Lol wut?
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Posted on Sun Nov 18, 2012 03:06:31
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Well maybe some people live in pretty little gated communities, but my house has been broken into 3 times in the past 15 years and I've had my car stolen from my driveway. LUCKILY I was not there for the 3 break ins, but thats enough for me to know that if it happens again and I happen to be there this time, me and my family won't be the ones having to fear for our lives. |
That's because thieves only target homes where no one is home.
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Lol wut? |
Not a real complicated concept. Odds of committing a successful house break at an occupied home are incredibly slim. Odds of a successful house break in an empty home are fairly high.
This is why burglars typically look for homes with a lot of mail in the box or a lot of newspapers/sales circulars piled up on the steps. This is why the vast majority of burglaries occur during the day, while people are working, and not at night while people are at home.
The idea that burglars are just dying to break into occupied homes or to commit home invasions is an utter fabrication.
My advice: if you want to know something about crime, ask someone in law enforcement, not someone who's selling guns.
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Posted on Sun Nov 18, 2012 03:17:06
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Well maybe some people live in pretty little gated communities, but my house has been broken into 3 times in the past 15 years and I've had my car stolen from my driveway. LUCKILY I was not there for the 3 break ins, but thats enough for me to know that if it happens again and I happen to be there this time, me and my family won't be the ones having to fear for our lives. |
That's because thieves only target homes where no one is home.
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Lol wut? |
Not a real complicated concept. Odds of committing a successful house break at an occupied home are incredibly slim. Odds of a successful house break in an empty home are fairly high.
This is why burglars typically look for homes with a lot of mail in the box or a lot of newspapers/sales circulars piled up on the steps. This is why the vast majority of burglaries occur during the day, while people are working, and not at night while people are at home.
The idea that burglars are just dying to break into occupied homes or to commit home invasions is an utter fabrication.
My advice: if you want to know something about crime, ask someone in law enforcement, not someone who's selling guns. |
I understand the concept just fine, but thieves do hit homes while people are there. That's why I said lolwut to the part of your post I quoted. While I agree that an empty home is much more desirable on the risk vs reward scale, plenty of home invasions happen at night while people are sleeping or even during broad daylight. Also, I don't need to ask any LEO's about crime, unless I wanted an echo.
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Posted on Sun Nov 18, 2012 03:17:52
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It's kinda hard to suggest if you don't provide the type of guns. However, this come from a person whose been living in a country that forbid firearms and never fire one, except those from games and such.
I'd prefer one with most light weight. I heard for the untrained, the recoil of every shot is really bad for shoulder. More weight would make the aiming less accurate too. Revolver have this criteria.
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What you heard about recoil for pistols is rubbish |
Link: Boom-head-knock |
For some reason, I don't think she'll be using 400 grain .500 Magnum rounds for home defense. Plus I'd hope she'd have a less ridiculous stance than the moron in that video. |
The point is about recoil for pistol.
And exactly what I am trying to convey, bad grip and stance plus gun's recoil = low accuracy and small probability of injury. |
The point is you have already stated you have never fired a gun before except in video games I on the other hand have, while the op wants a pistol for home defense not hunting elephants so your link you poste to justify your earlier misinformation is childish at best , so please dont give advice from your extensive knowledge of cod.
For the op I would say go to a reputable gun dealer and see what they suggest . |
And I said you're illogically full of shit. My post isn't backed up by credible source right. Then please enlightened us your extensive knowledge referenced with some "adult-ish" real reference.
Your contribution (except seeing reputable gun dealer cliche crap) would help OP, me, and lots of other people thats willing to learn very much.
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Posted on Sun Nov 18, 2012 03:50:02
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It's kinda hard to suggest if you don't provide the type of guns. However, this come from a person whose been living in a country that forbid firearms and never fire one, except those from games and such.
I'd prefer one with most light weight. I heard for the untrained, the recoil of every shot is really bad for shoulder. More weight would make the aiming less accurate too. Revolver have this criteria.
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What you heard about recoil for pistols is rubbish |
Link: Boom-head-knock |
For some reason, I don't think she'll be using 400 grain .500 Magnum rounds for home defense. Plus I'd hope she'd have a less ridiculous stance than the moron in that video. |
The point is about recoil for pistol.
And exactly what I am trying to convey, bad grip and stance plus gun's recoil = low accuracy and small probability of injury. |
The point is you have already stated you have never fired a gun before except in video games I on the other hand have, while the op wants a pistol for home defense not hunting elephants so your link you poste to justify your earlier misinformation is childish at best , so please dont give advice from your extensive knowledge of cod.
For the op I would say go to a reputable gun dealer and see what they suggest . |
And I said you're illogically full of shit. My post isn't backed up by credible source right. Then please enlightened us your extensive knowledge referenced with some "adult-ish" real reference.
Your contribution (except seeing reputable gun dealer cliche crap) would help OP, me, and lots of other people thats willing to learn very much. |
The point is, your video is of the most powerful pistol out there. Of course it will have insane recoil. You're not gonna get hit in the face from the recoil of a normal self defense pistol. By admitting knowing nothing about firearms and having no experience, you should definitely not make the generalization that "I heard for the untrained, the recoil of every shot is really bad for shoulder" and back it up by posting a video of someone untrained firing the most powerful handgun out there when someone more knowledgeable disputes your claim.
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Posted on Sun Nov 18, 2012 03:54:01
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That was my possible suggestion, but some people can't handle 45 and .410 has a lot more kick coming out of a pistol than out of a shotgun. A gun is no good to you if you miss the first shot and the recoil scares you into dropping the gun, and I've seen it happen to many beginners at the range.
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Posted on Sun Nov 18, 2012 04:00:06
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It's kinda hard to suggest if you don't provide the type of guns. However, this come from a person whose been living in a country that forbid firearms and never fire one, except those from games and such.
I'd prefer one with most light weight. I heard for the untrained, the recoil of every shot is really bad for shoulder. More weight would make the aiming less accurate too. Revolver have this criteria.
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What you heard about recoil for pistols is rubbish |
Link: Boom-head-knock |
For some reason, I don't think she'll be using 400 grain .500 Magnum rounds for home defense. Plus I'd hope she'd have a less ridiculous stance than the moron in that video. |
The point is about recoil for pistol.
And exactly what I am trying to convey, bad grip and stance plus gun's recoil = low accuracy and small probability of injury. |
The point is you have already stated you have never fired a gun before except in video games I on the other hand have, while the op wants a pistol for home defense not hunting elephants so your link you poste to justify your earlier misinformation is childish at best , so please dont give advice from your extensive knowledge of cod.
For the op I would say go to a reputable gun dealer and see what they suggest . |
And I said you're illogically full of shit. My post isn't backed up by credible source right. Then please enlightened us your extensive knowledge referenced with some "adult-ish" real reference.
Your contribution (except seeing reputable gun dealer cliche crap) would help OP, me, and lots of other people thats willing to learn very much. |
As you said ?
What to the voices in your head as you only have just now made this childish comment about me being full of shit when clearly your grasping at straws because I mocked your previous posts for lacking facts.
Myself Ive fired .22, 45 acp and 357 magnum for handguns and the recoil was pretty much non existent even with the magnum I would love to try other calibars but we have gun laws here and I dont have a pistol permit hence I have more experience with rifles and even then you would need to fire something like a 303 , 308 rifle round or higher or 12 gauge before you worried about recoil unless of course your a child ? 
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Posted on Sun Nov 18, 2012 04:10:50
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It's kinda hard to suggest if you don't provide the type of guns. However, this come from a person whose been living in a country that forbid firearms and never fire one, except those from games and such.
I'd prefer one with most light weight. I heard for the untrained, the recoil of every shot is really bad for shoulder. More weight would make the aiming less accurate too. Revolver have this criteria.
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What you heard about recoil for pistols is rubbish |
Link: Boom-head-knock |
For some reason, I don't think she'll be using 400 grain .500 Magnum rounds for home defense. Plus I'd hope she'd have a less ridiculous stance than the moron in that video. |
The point is about recoil for pistol.
And exactly what I am trying to convey, bad grip and stance plus gun's recoil = low accuracy and small probability of injury. |
The point is you have already stated you have never fired a gun before except in video games I on the other hand have, while the op wants a pistol for home defense not hunting elephants so your link you poste to justify your earlier misinformation is childish at best , so please dont give advice from your extensive knowledge of cod.
For the op I would say go to a reputable gun dealer and see what they suggest . |
And I said you're illogically full of shit. My post isn't backed up by credible source right. Then please enlightened us your extensive knowledge referenced with some "adult-ish" real reference.
Your contribution (except seeing reputable gun dealer cliche crap) would help OP, me, and lots of other people thats willing to learn very much. |
The point is, your video is of the most powerful pistol out there. Of course it will have insane recoil. You're not gonna get hit in the face from the recoil of a normal self defense pistol. By admitting knowing nothing about firearms and having no experience, you should definitely not make the generalization that "I heard for the untrained, the recoil of every shot is really bad for shoulder" and back it up by posting a video of someone untrained firing the most powerful handgun out there when someone more knowledgeable disputes your claim. |
Yeah, a .500mag isn't practical unless you're hunting Sasquash.. but, I still want one. Just because I can. Same with a DE .50, my Baby Eagle needs a big brother.
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joeykickdoors
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Posted on Sun Nov 18, 2012 05:54:28
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By MagnusHarvest24 [1655145]
I'd say Revolver for Close Combat & Semi-Auto for ranged.
This is my Semi-Auto weapon of choice:
I'd use this revolver:
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My "if I hear a bump in the middle of the night" guns.
Over penetration is not an issue where I live.
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^ Both are my "night stand" guns (sit in a bed side holster). I'm a light sleeper.
To correct you, a snub revolver is for up close and personal work. Longer barreled revolvers work just as well as a semi for "ranged" occasions.
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Posted on Sun Nov 18, 2012 06:04:49
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@ OP: I'd just like to add that whatever gun you decide to purchase, remember: train, train, train. Merely owning a firearm won't make you a good shot, just as owning a guitar doesn't make me Jimi Hendrix.
Make sure that you get to know how to field strip it, how to properly clean and maintain it, spend quality time with it. Go to the range often and become proficient with it. There's also countless training/exercise courses you can take. I'd highly recommend FOF (force-on-force) training, especially if you plan on getting your concealed weapons permit and carrying it on your person throughout the day.
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