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Hello guys, I'm an American guy interested in Irish music, especially traditional stuff and pub songs. My grandpa always played banjo, mandolin, and guitar, exclusively bluegrass and Irish reels and such. In turn, my dad listened to the music, and I grew up with it. Bands like The Dubliners have been on my iPod as long as I've owned one. I play guitar now, and just recently bought a tin whistle to begin learning. I'm curious if anyone here plays this kind of music, and what instruments they play and such. Aside from my family I have never known anyone else who's interested in this.

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Posted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 02:23:38
So your dad's dad's dad had parents of Scottish and Irish descent?
I'm the son of a monkey's uncle. What does that make me? That's right, a Music sub-section.

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Posted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 02:27:02
It';s standard fair where I come from. There';s a massive Gaelic (;;paging Buenno..);;culture in Canada';s maritimes. Apparently it trips the actual Irish and Scott';s out to no end (;;most famously Billie Connolly);;.

Barret';s Privateers is probably the most famous song from the Maritimes.

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You can even study Gaelic as a second language at UCB, and a number of the signs in the highlands are in both.


Immigrant communities in isolation for multiple generations tend to develop a hyper version of their native cultures. When I toured Ireland and the British Isles as a kid folks would trip out on my accent and lose their shit over my Dad';s (;;Cape Breton Highland);;.


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Posted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 02:30:06
One thing you might enjoy is a tv series called The Trailer Park Boys. It';s entirely Canadian but you get a very decent take on a small segment of the poor in Nova Scotia


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Posted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 02:39:17
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One thing you might enjoy is a tv series called The Trailer Park Boys. It';s entirely Canadian but you get a very decent take on a small segment of the poor in Nova Scotia


that show seriously makes me feel like im gonna break a rib laughin at times.

Im mostly of German & American Indian heritage, & we got some dutch in there somewhere. But my G-pa was heavy into Bluegrass. Mite be cause he grew up in Kentucky. But he used to play a mean fiddle. Violin for you northerners. It's good music imo.

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Posted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 02:42:13
Hello, I'm Scottish and on behalf of our great nation please in future simply refer to yourself as an American, or if you wanna base it on where your family originally came from you can say African (;or if you're feeling bold on tc, a lemurian);.
Like seriously, stop this madness.

On topic:; I used to play this sort of music, but not for a while. Have quite a few friends that do, they're extremely talented and you'd probably even have heard of a few if I named names. Which isn't happening, ever.

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Posted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 02:43:11
Dude just say Irish, no one wants to know you're scottish

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Posted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 02:54:28
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Dude just say Irish, no one wants to know you';re scottish


I do, I really really do!

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Posted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 03:09:41
It's really not about the whole nationality thing. I said I was an American. Get over yourself. The music is mostly oral tradition, and several generations removed or not, the oral tradition has made it to little old me in Corktown Detroit, Michigan in 2013. I love the music, it's just that simple. It reminds me of my family, this music was always being played and sung at any family function.

That said, thanks for some of the more positive feedback. I don't know if many of you have ever used the music streaming service Spotify, but a lot of good music of this genre is available there. Seamus Egan in particular is a favorite of mine, (;I know he's also an American. He briefly lived in Ireland.); and some of his music just recently became available there as well.

Anyone have any interesting instruments? My grandpa plays a 1929 Bacon and Day Silver Bell. I'm in the market for a vintage banjo now as well, I'm amazed how much history some of these things have!

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Posted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 03:13:17
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It';s really not about the whole nationality thing. I said I was an American. Get over yourself. The music is mostly oral tradition, and several generations removed or not, the oral tradition has made it to little old me in Corktown Detroit, Michigan in 2013. I love the music, it';s just that simple. It reminds me of my family, this music was always being played and sung at any family function.

That said, thanks for some of the more positive feedback. I don';t know if many of you have ever used the music streaming service Spotify, but a lot of good music of this genre is available there. Seamus Egan in particular is a favorite of mine, (;;I know he';s also an American. He briefly lived in Ireland.);; and some of his music just recently became available there as well.

Anyone have any interesting instruments? My grandpa plays a 1929 Bacon and Day Silver Bell. I';m in the market for a vintage banjo now as well, I';m amazed how much history some of these things have!


Yeah you're right it's not about nationality, so quit pretending to be something you're not. If I had a penny for every time an American told me they were scottish or irish, I'd literally have at least a million few hundred pounds..
So yeah, quit this disgusting habit already.

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Posted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 03:18:59
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It';;s really not about the whole nationality thing. I said I was an American. Get over yourself. The music is mostly oral tradition, and several generations removed or not, the oral tradition has made it to little old me in Corktown Detroit, Michigan in 2013. I love the music, it';;s just that simple. It reminds me of my family, this music was always being played and sung at any family function.

That said, thanks for some of the more positive feedback. I don';;t know if many of you have ever used the music streaming service Spotify, but a lot of good music of this genre is available there. Seamus Egan in particular is a favorite of mine, (;;;I know he';;s also an American. He briefly lived in Ireland.);;; and some of his music just recently became available there as well.

Anyone have any interesting instruments? My grandpa plays a 1929 Bacon and Day Silver Bell. I';;m in the market for a vintage banjo now as well, I';;m amazed how much history some of these things have!


Yeah you';re right it';s not about nationality, so quit pretending to be something you';re not. If I had a penny for every time an American told me they were scottish or irish, I';d literally have at least a million few hundred pounds..
So yeah, quit this disgusting habit already.


This is a thread literally only about music. I don't understand how you are making such a big deal out of nationality. I didn't say I was Scottish or Irish. I said I am an American. I'd rather be American anyway, I only care about the music and the instruments, which I heard through the extremely old oral tradition. I haven't said anything untrue about myself or my family. If you don't want to talk music, why stick around?


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Posted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 03:27:29
Edit:; deleted due to apology.

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Posted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 03:53:57
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The music is about the roots and is referential, and as for the culture aspect (; I'm a Scott, you're an American); is plainly obvious to both. It's the difference between native and immigrant communities (;emigrant in this case);.

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Posted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 05:10:46
I play the tin whistle. I play the clarinet as a first instrument but I like to play all sorts of whistles and flutes that I've picked up from around the world.

When I lived in Spain, my Spanish mates all found celtic music amazing, so we played it together. I've since left and they've formed a Spanish band which plays Irish music in pubs. They have a guitar, a banjo and a singer at the moment and occassionally a couple jo;in in with an accordian and a violin. It's quite cool to listen too, they put some of their Spanish influence into it too. I'm heading back there this summer for a little holiday, so I'm going to buy a tin whistle while I'm there and play some jigs with them.

Although the music is traditionally an oral tradition (;is that meant to be aural?); there are plenty of websites now which give written reels (;some of which are crappy, but some amazingly beautiful); and other Irish songs.

If there are other, more modern music you like (;Luke Kelly for example); then just search it on Google, there is tons of shite from around the world about it. Celtic music is seen as one of the most beautiful types of music in the world (;from loads of countries); and because of that it's got a huge following.

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Posted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 09:12:04
Im Irish and have been living in Ireland all my life. I hear this sort of music in pubs, weddings, shopping centers and the radio along with other places all the time.

I love it and it makes me proud to be a celt.

I dont mind it when yanks call themselves a different nationality. It shows their interest in history and culture. Is good to know your roots.

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Posted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:57:09
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Im Irish and have been living in Ireland all my life. I hear this sort of music in pubs, weddings, shopping centers and the radio along with other places all the time.

I love it and it makes me proud to be a celt.

I dont mind it when yanks call themselves a different nationality. It shows their interest in history and culture. Is good to know your roots.


Hmmm. After reading that, I consider the appelation African American [and its counter-parts] only half as batty as before reading it. Rated +.


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Posted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 15:04:54
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Im Irish and have been living in Ireland all my life. I hear this sort of music in pubs, weddings, shopping centers and the radio along with other places all the time.

I love it and it makes me proud to be a celt.

I dont mind it when yanks call themselves a different nationality. It shows their interest in history and culture. Is good to know your roots.


Hmmm. After reading that, I consider the appelation African American [and its counter-parts] only half as batty as before reading it. Rated +.


except african american is about race

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Posted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 15:17:18
is there anyone, anywhere, who doesn't claim to have irish heritage?

I'm Black with a vengance.
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Posted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 16:58:10
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I play the tin whistle. I play the clarinet as a first instrument but I like to play all sorts of whistles and flutes that I';ve picked up from around the world.

When I lived in Spain, my Spanish mates all found celtic music amazing, so we played it together. I';ve since left and they';ve formed a Spanish band which plays Irish music in pubs. They have a guitar, a banjo and a singer at the moment and occassionally a couple jo;in in with an accordian and a violin. It';s quite cool to listen too, they put some of their Spanish influence into it too. I';m heading back there this summer for a little holiday, so I';m going to buy a tin whistle while I';m there and play some jigs with them.

Although the music is traditionally an oral tradition (;;is that meant to be aural?);; there are plenty of websites now which give written reels (;;some of which are crappy, but some amazingly beautiful);; and other Irish songs.

If there are other, more modern music you like (;;Luke Kelly for example);; then just search it on Google, there is tons of shite from around the world about it. Celtic music is seen as one of the most beautiful types of music in the world (;;from loads of countries);; and because of that it';s got a huge following.


That's pretty amazing to play with your Spanish friends! My playing is influenced largely in part by American Country and Bluegrass music, which I also have listened to my whole life, and this affects the way I play everything at least slightly. It's amazing how music is wide open for interpretation, and almost always welcomes outside influences. I have had quite a lot of luck finding information and online lessons etc. I also have tons and tons of "fake books" full of Irish tunes. I'm glad you mention Luke Kelly, what a fantastic singer! It's really been sad to live through the deaths of so many great musicians like him. Any especially interesting instruments you've picked up in your life?

My mother plays the flute, and it's another instrument I'm interested in learning, along with the violin (;I don't have enough years in my life to learn all these instruments!);. I think I would need to take traditional music lessons to beat the initial learning curve. I am extremely excited to start learning the tin whistle, I've never played a woodwind before.

Any bodhran players around here? My grandpa and younger brother both bought one within the last few years and they tend to not play them in our "sessions" when the family is all together yet. It looks pretty complicated.o

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Posted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 17:17:01
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Im Irish and have been living in Ireland all my life. I hear this sort of music in pubs, weddings, shopping centers and the radio along with other places all the time.

I love it and it makes me proud to be a celt.

I dont mind it when yanks call themselves a different nationality. It shows their interest in history and culture. Is good to know your roots.


Hmmm. After reading that, I consider the appelation African American [and its counter-parts] only half as batty as before reading it. Rated +.


except african american is about race


Not really though.
There are black people like the Aborigines and black people from South America.

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Posted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 17:34:39
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is there anyone, anywhere, who doesn';t claim to have irish heritage?


ME! Not a dro;p of it!

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Posted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 18:15:02
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Im Irish and have been living in Ireland all my life. I hear this sort of music in pubs, weddings, shopping centers and the radio along with other places all the time.

I love it and it makes me proud to be a celt.

I dont mind it when yanks call themselves a different nationality. It shows their interest in history and culture. Is good to know your roots.


Hmmm. After reading that, I consider the appelation African American [and its counter-parts] only half as batty as before reading it. Rated +.


except african american is about race


Not really though.
There are black people like the Aborigines and black people from South America.


yes, and they're called just black.
african american is just a PC way of saying black.

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Posted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 18:52:57
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Posted on Sun Jun 30, 2013 18:53:44
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I play the tin whistle. I play the clarinet as a first instrument but I like to play all sorts of whistles and flutes that I';;;ve picked up from around the world.

When I lived in Spain, my Spanish mates all found celtic music amazing, so we played it together. I';;;ve since left and they';;;ve formed a Spanish band which plays Irish music in pubs. They have a guitar, a banjo and a singer at the moment and occassionally a couple jo;in in with an accordian and a violin. It';;;s quite cool to listen too, they put some of their Spanish influence into it too. I';;;m heading back there this summer for a little holiday, so I';;;m going to buy a tin whistle while I';;;m there and play some jigs with them.

Although the music is traditionally an oral tradition (;;;;is that meant to be aural?);;;; there are plenty of websites now which give written reels (;;;;some of which are crappy, but some amazingly beautiful);;;; and other Irish songs.

If there are other, more modern music you like (;;;;Luke Kelly for example);;;; then just search it on Google, there is tons of shite from around the world about it. Celtic music is seen as one of the most beautiful types of music in the world (;;;;from loads of countries);;;; and because of that it';;;s got a huge following.


That';;s pretty amazing to play with your Spanish friends! My playing is influenced largely in part by American Country and Bluegrass music, which I also have listened to my whole life, and this affects the way I play everything at least slightly. It';;s amazing how music is wide open for interpretation, and almost always welcomes outside influences. I have had quite a lot of luck finding information and online lessons etc. I also have tons and tons of ";;fake books";; full of Irish tunes. I';;m glad you mention Luke Kelly, what a fantastic singer! It';;s really been sad to live through the deaths of so many great musicians like him. Any especially interesting instruments you';;ve picked up in your life?

My mother plays the flute, and it';;s another instrument I';;m interested in learning, along with the violin (;;;I don';;t have enough years in my life to learn all these instruments!);;;. I think I would need to take traditional music lessons to beat the initial learning curve. I am extremely excited to start learning the tin whistle, I';;ve never played a woodwind before.

Any bodhran players around here? My grandpa and younger brother both bought one within the last few years and they tend to not play them in our ";;sessions";; when the family is all together yet. It looks pretty complicated.o


Yeah, I';ve got a wooden flute from India which gives off a distinctive sound, a few instruments from China (;;I';m not sure of their names, one';s a basic whistle made from bambo, another has a metal reed and a couple of drones built into it. It';s made out of a massive seed or something, it makes and interesting noise but only covers an octave.); The last is another basic flute but it';s made from some sort of clay. and then an occarina that I found in a flat that I moved into in Austria which I';ve always kept with me as I travel. Another cool one that I leave in England due to its size is the tenor tin whistle (;I'm not sure of it's technical name);, but it's like 3 times the size of a normal tin whistle and sounds really haunting. I can't play technical pieces on it because the holes are too far apart for my fingers, but for slow, emotional pieces it can't be beaten.

You hit the nail on the head with music, I guess it';s the same for all art. If you like 2 (;;or more);; types enough, you';ll always find a way to merge the two and that will always create something brand new which sounds amazing to those who appreciate it.

Spanish and celtic music are fairly complementary for harmonic reasons, in any case.

One part of traveling around that I really love is hearing different music from different areas. There';s always the shit on the radio which is bland poppy music, but if you listen to the people on the street or in bars/restaurants you get to the heart of the country.

I have a lot of time for folk music from most countries (;;if not all, although I haven';t heard every type);;. There';s something about a song in 4/4 with a heavy, repeated drum beat and chord pattern that sets the hairs on my spine on edge.

I';ll hunt out some of the reels that I really liked learning and pm you with them. The key is, I found, to play them really slowly 100+ times, stopping whenever you make a mistake, until your fingers know the patterns better than your mind does.


EDIT:; forgot about the tenor whistle.

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Posted on Wed Jul 03, 2013 22:22:25
I bought a tin whistle the day after I started this thread, and just received it in the mail today. It's a far cry from the other instruments I play (guitar and piano) and I am definitely loving it so far. I'll be enjoying having a totally different instrument at family sessions, and also for myself to work on. I think music is good for the mind, and it's one of many things I do to stay sharp (game, read, memorization work).

The variety of instruments you've had the fortune to play and own is amazing! You should be very proud. Do you play a key of D tenor whistle?

Recently I've had the chance to start teaching a close friend to play the guitar. I cannot get over how amazing sharing music with friends and even acquaintances is.

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Posted on Wed Jul 03, 2013 22:28:39
I wonder why so many Americans claim to be 4th, 5th generation Irish..

Like seriously, there's nothing special about us. Although it's quite nice to know so many are proud of their Irish history.

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Posted on Wed Jul 03, 2013 23:51:43
Go outside this thread and hover the mouse over the thread title, then read the first few sentances.

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Posted on Thu Jul 04, 2013 02:00:25
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Go outside this thread and hover the mouse over the thread title, then read the first few sentances.


I.... I.... I don't get it.

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Posted on Thu Jul 04, 2013 03:07:46
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Go outside this thread and hover the mouse over the thread title, then read the first few sentances.


I.... I.... I don't get it.


An Englishman and Scot telling other people they can't mention their family history. When really, it wasn't even mentioned in the OP. How bout get off your high-horse? I will tell people if I want to, so can anyone else.

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Posted on Thu Jul 04, 2013 03:17:05
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is there anyone, anywhere, who doesn't claim to have irish heritage?


Gunna just read up to this... pretty much it shouldn't be that surprising that many americans have irish blood in their roots. The irish came like 10-30,000 a week at one point, 1800s flowing into boston and new york ports (almost 2 million in 40 yrs) The irish built new york city more or less. For a thorough history on it you can refer to the following because im too f**kin lazy to give a history lesson.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_American

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Posted on Thu Jul 04, 2013 03:29:23
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Go outside this thread and hover the mouse over the thread title, then read the first few sentances.


I.... I.... I don't get it.


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The OP edited it, that damn troll. Due to how the code in game works right now it basically said he's 33743rd generation Scottish etc. was pretty funny before he ruined it.

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