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Posted on Thu May 09, 2013 23:03:13
I think being in any faction for a cumulative 1000 days in crazy-easy.

But then im 10/10, having spent time in a dead faction to get the end of my merits, so im probably biased.

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Posted on Thu May 09, 2013 23:38:20
If this is ever implemented, how about adding an extra 5 merits, but making the time start from now rather than just handing them out to those who already have a long time in a faction. Those who have 10/10 could start to gain some more merits.

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Posted on Fri May 10, 2013 04:31:50
Well it should have been more of like the donator days as is now from starting. And if the tweak it like that and also the marriage medals to I am this suggestion. But completely removing is a bad idea. And I don't think I will leave the faction.

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Posted on Sat May 11, 2013 08:52:17
Start at 0? Trust me the ones who are close to the last merits would NOT be happy... Neither would I and I'm not even close to the last ones. Guys we're talking about years of effort here. 1000 days is more than three years. I say leave it as it is and not risk players lose interest of how this game will wipe the awards from our reach. And I insist in something not many of you seem to keep in mind. Variety of choices plays a big role in this game. Our choices create our torn character and image. 0 attacks during wars but those merits and continuous training spree might be what some players choose, some did choose three years ago and have no interest in changing till they complete their goals. My opinion is you should not interfere with these kind of things.

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Posted on Sat May 11, 2013 16:16:25
By Elena [1260826]
Start at 0? Trust me the ones who are close to the last merits would NOT be happy... Neither would I and I'm not even close to the last ones. Guys we're talking about years of effort here. 1000 days is more than three years. I say leave it as it is and not risk players lose interest of how this game will wipe the awards from our reach. And I insist in something not many of you seem to keep in mind. Variety of choices plays a big role in this game. Our choices create our torn character and image. 0 attacks during wars but those merits and continuous training spree might be what some players choose, some did choose three years ago and have no interest in changing till they complete their goals. My opinion is you should not interfere with these kind of things.


Even the original suggestion didn't equate to wiping anything out, and restarting at 0. Now that the OP has been edited it's even better for people that have spent years with the same faction. Now it means that you can leave and join a different faction then start accumulating more days towards the merits there.

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Posted on Sat May 11, 2013 19:37:20
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By Elena [1260826]
Start at 0? Trust me the ones who are close to the last merits would NOT be happy... Neither would I and I'm not even close to the last ones. Guys we're talking about years of effort here. 1000 days is more than three years. I say leave it as it is and not risk players lose interest of how this game will wipe the awards from our reach. And I insist in something not many of you seem to keep in mind. Variety of choices plays a big role in this game. Our choices create our torn character and image. 0 attacks during wars but those merits and continuous training spree might be what some players choose, some did choose three years ago and have no interest in changing till they complete their goals. My opinion is you should not interfere with these kind of things.


Even the original suggestion didn't equate to wiping anything out, and restarting at 0. Now that the OP has been edited it's even better for people that have spent years with the same faction. Now it means that you can leave and join a different faction then start accumulating more days towards the merits there.

I understand, but I was referring to the posters above me. At first I was completely against the idea but now that it's changed I'm not anymore. I don't know how it will work out but I hope it will be for the best of most


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Posted on Sat May 18, 2013 17:27:34
I want some more opinions on this please! It's been a very interesting read of different reactions so far.

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Posted on Sat May 18, 2013 17:36:03
Just say BUMP like the rest of the trolls.

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Posted on Sun May 19, 2013 20:42:21
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Just say BUMP like the rest of the trolls.


I'm not trolling, you clearly just lack the intellect required for intelligent discussion.

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Posted on Mon May 20, 2013 04:02:46
bogie, this is definitely controversial. I will say the commitment merits has kept me from going away to other factions to help and what not. So, it would be nice to see this change and allow people to move around without worrying about being in a single faction to get merits.

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Posted on Mon May 20, 2013 04:28:50
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Just say BUMP like the rest of the trolls.


I'm not trolling, you clearly just lack the intellect required for intelligent discussion.



SERIOUSLY???? Staff calling a player a idiot? WELL SCREW YOU! Review filed! I was being nice and you snot nose little ...... had to be a ....... This is exactly reason why players call staff corrupt!

Little boy I am 54 years old, and you will be lucky if you EVER have my wisdom! Why don't you go back to school and learn some ..... MANNERS!

I really was trying to be nice and even funny and you had act like a 2 year old and call names! Bravo!

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Posted on Mon May 20, 2013 05:16:34
I think you proved my point, not exactly a mature response. I'm not quite sure what brand of 'wisdom' that was above but I know that it's not something I desire.

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Posted on Mon May 20, 2013 07:15:05
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I want some more opinions on this please! It's been a very interesting read of different reactions so far.


In simple words, you want more positive reactions and opinions on your suggestion.


This is why the merit is called Faction "Commitment". You show any way of being committed into a faction like staying on it for an amount of days.
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Now that I have understood the essence of guest chaining, I think that removing this merit would be a good idea.

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bogie

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Posted on Mon May 20, 2013 11:36:04
If I wanted positive comments I have much better suggestions to write. I want honest opinions.

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Posted on Mon May 20, 2013 11:58:05
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If I wanted positive comments I have much better suggestions to write. I want honest opinions.


You shoot people's opinion down and call them idiots/stupid when they give one.

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Posted on Mon May 20, 2013 13:07:24
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By bogie [148747]
If I wanted positive comments I have much better suggestions to write. I want honest opinions.


You shoot people's opinion down and call them idiots/stupid when they give one.


Styx? Please point out where he gave an opinion on this suggestion

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Posted on Mon May 20, 2013 13:11:36
Im talking about everywhere, not only on this suggestion. And yeah, styx is one, though I just have read that.

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Posted on Mon May 20, 2013 13:17:05
Styx never gave any input into this thread and their comment wasn't exactly thought provoking. I think you're just moaning for the sake of moaning at this point.

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Posted on Mon May 20, 2013 13:26:41
Since you edited it I like the suggestion a lot more. I would like to be able to move around without losing my chance for merits but I can't currently.

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Posted on Mon May 20, 2013 15:04:42
I agree this should be changed but I would still favor changing it to the in between option of days spent in one particular faction though they need not be continuous. That still maintains the intent of the merit which is to award loyalty/commitment, but allows players to move around short term then return to their home faction without the days in faction number being reset.

People don't play this game for its fancy graphics and live action. Most play it because of the interaction with other players and the friendships they develop. I don't see turning the player base into a bunch of roving mercenaries helping long term player retention.

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Posted on Mon May 20, 2013 17:03:55
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Styx never gave any input into this thread and their comment wasn't exactly thought provoking. I think you're just moaning for the sake of moaning at this point.


I was one of the 1st people who replied to your thread. This is on page 1

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I like the idea, but I would not want my merits taken away nor my award for commitment that I already earned. Grandfather the current merits/awards and I think its a great idea. People who do not have the award/merits will have a reason to complain. But I do agree, the silly award kept me in a below average dead faction for years.




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Posted on Mon May 20, 2013 17:50:53
Oh. In which case I am sorry, I was wrong there then. I must've overlooked it.

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Posted on Tue May 21, 2013 21:55:08
I like this idea alot. I myself have never worried about the commitment merits and probably never will. The way i look at it, you are committed to the merits, not the faction.

years of effort


Variety of choices plays a big role in this game


It doesnt take effort to just sit in a faction and the commitment merits limit your choices.

Im not sure what the best way to go about doing it, but i like the idea alot.

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Posted on Tue May 21, 2013 22:26:09
I've gotta say that there's not a whole lot of commitment when a player is faction hopping so why should players be getting medals for doing so?

Lets look at a few examples:

A) Your average scammer who keeps trying to sneak into a new faction and then gets kicked when the faction leader is told who they really are - should that player be getting rewarded for their "commitment" to a faction?

b) Your average faction leech who joins, does nothing and then gets kicked after a short period of time for not contributing (after which they look for another faction to leech off) - should that player be rewarded for their "commitment" to a faction?

c) Your average "on again, off again" player who plays sporadically for a few weeks and then disappears for a while - yes it wouldn't take them long to get kicked but should that player be getting rewarded for their "commitment" to a faction?

Yes you do have (many?) factions that are essentially inactive (or peaceful as some might call it) factions in which players are slowly picking up all of the faction commitment medals, but they would be racking up the medals anyway with the proposed change so they're almost irrelevant in this discussion.

I personally think that sticking it out in the one faction for the nearly 3 years straight it takes is the achievement that should be rewarded - in an active faction you generally need to be contributing for most of that time or you'll get kicked and have to start the countdown again, so obtaining the higher medals in an active faction is an achievement in and of itself.

A player can still faction hop at will once they have received the 1000 day faction commitment award and that kinda acts as a nice little "reward" for sticking it out with the one faction for so long.

I know that something like this would make short term guest chaining for other factions more palatable for players who haven't yet earned all of the faction commitment merits, but I don't think that should be a driving force behind changing the faction commitment medals so that literally everyone can get them easily.

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Posted on Tue May 21, 2013 23:02:22
I agree with you Butters, to a certain extent. But, what if your faction gets sold and you dont want to stay, but you feel forced to? due to the merits. What if you are in a ffaction for 800 days and the leader scams someone? Do you want to stay in a faction labeled as a scammer faction? Faction leader goes inactive? (I believe you can only request ownership if its a perma fed situation correct?)

There are alot of reasons someone would want to leave a faction, but feel like they shouldn't because of the merits.

This is the reason i said i didn't know the right way to go about it.

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Posted on Tue May 21, 2013 23:06:29
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I agree with you Butters, to a certain extent. But, what if your faction gets sold and you dont want to stay, but you feel forced to? due to the merits. What if you are in a ffaction for 800 days and the leader scams someone? Do you want to stay in a faction labeled as a scammer faction? Faction leader goes inactive? (I believe you can only request ownership if its a perma fed situation correct?)

There are alot of reasons someone would want to leave a faction, but feel like they shouldn't because of the merits.

This is the reason i said i didn't know the right way to go about it.


Or 30 days inactiveness.

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Posted on Tue May 21, 2013 23:17:25
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Posted on Wed May 22, 2013 08:15:21
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I agree with you Butters, to a certain extent. But, what if your faction gets sold and you dont want to stay, but you feel forced to? due to the merits. What if you are in a ffaction for 800 days and the leader scams someone? Do you want to stay in a faction labeled as a scammer faction? Faction leader goes inactive? (I believe you can only request ownership if its a perma fed situation correct?)

There are alot of reasons someone would want to leave a faction, but feel like they shouldn't because of the merits.

This is the reason i said i didn't know the right way to go about it.


I agree with you on that too swag - it is a hard one as the cases for and against pretty much balance each other out.

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Posted on Wed May 22, 2013 11:58:08
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I agree with you Butters, to a certain extent. But, what if your faction gets sold and you dont want to stay, but you feel forced to? due to the merits. What if you are in a ffaction for 800 days and the leader scams someone? Do you want to stay in a faction labeled as a scammer faction? Faction leader goes inactive? (I believe you can only request ownership if its a perma fed situation correct?)

There are alot of reasons someone would want to leave a faction, but feel like they shouldn't because of the merits.

This is the reason i said i didn't know the right way to go about it.


Or 30 days inactiveness.


No the system does it automatically now. We don't do any manual transfers.

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Posted on Fri Jun 14, 2013 19:11:20
i don';t think the merits are a bad idea. maybe just done incorrectly? i mean, they awarding commitment. when you jo;in a faction, i think you should be committing to it. i didn';t just jo;in the first faction i saw and jump ship when i got a better offer? i made friends with my faction mates and i';ve helped build this faction. why not get rewarded for my loyalty?

at one point, i was thinking about suggesting some merits for company loyalty too. that way people don';t just jump from job to job every time someone offers them slightly better pay. i mean, right now people are already being paid stupid amounts just so the director can get their company to five stars. wouldn';t loyalty merits give people a reason to stay without bleeding the director';s wallet dry?

that being said, there are some problems. like directors not paying promised wages because they know an employee going for the merits will stay no matter what. but there are already plenty of people not getting paid just because they want the company specials, so i don';t see much harm there.

but maybe they do need a kind of a change? what if they were made for organized crimes committed? ";total days spent in a faction"; just doesn';t seem right.

EDIT:; what if there were multiple triggers? like, spend 1000 days in one faction, 600 days in two separate factions, or like a year in three separate factions? that way there is still loyalty, just to a lesser extent in case of one of the scenarios mentioned. the figures are incredibly rough, as i entirely just blurted out random numbers, but i feel like if you're jumping from faction to faction instead of staying loyal to just one, it should take more than the original 1000.

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