Thread created on Thu Jan 10, 2013 14:33:53 Last replied to on Thu Jan 17, 2013 05:36:10
Some people might disagree to what i am saying Problem
If some of you don't no, sweet shop specials have changed. At 5* you may trade points for Energy drinks which could be sold for millions in the market. It also seems that after this change, a lot of players have been creating Sweet Shop companies for this special. As we can see now, energy drink has become a normal item instead of a seasonal one (hallo town and Xmas town).
If i am correct, we trade 10 job points for 1 random Energy drink which varies between $1-4 mil per can. This means that the Director AND the employees are making millions per week and even making higher profits than furniture shops and other expensive companies.
This also mean that season events such as the Towns will bring very few to us as we already have cans.
To be fair I suggest that Sweet Shop Companies has to be more expensive to start one and more expensive upgrades.
OR
I suggest other Energy drinks to be implemented into torn which cost less and gives less Energy. And let seasonal events bring the more expensive Drinks and away from daily use.
Some ideas of new Energy drinks
examples. - please ignore the names as i couldnt come up with good ones
Can A - cost approx $300k-$400k - Gives 5 Energy - cooldown 2hrs
Can B - cost approx $500k-$700k - Gives 7-10 Energy - cooldown 3hrs
you cant use real names like red bull here
that would cost ched far too much
but other then that, i havent worked in a sweet shop for a real long time so dont know how it is
but if it is like you are telling, then yea, its a bit too good a special for a company that costs next to nothing
I do find it sad that these festive treats are now an all year round deal (especially for those with deep pockets)
I agree that the cans should be different with a higher emphasis on holiday ones as they are a little bit more special.
Since I don't consume cans, I can't really talk about what would be a fair rate - but +R for the idea.
i agree 2 days worth of job points for a 5* worker is really overpaying for such a cheap company to get to 5*... i could start one today and prolly have it at 5* within 150 days...they should be paying more job points for a can or getting less energy cans... when they go to 10* they'll get a can a day... and these will kill the prices of fhcs in the long run...
i buy the heck outa the holiday cans for 300 energy a day boost i like the medium ones tho 25E 12 cans a day lol
By David002 [530238]
Maybe doubling the amount of job points needed when 10* companies are a go.
Would be a lot less trouble.
that's a whole other problem.
why were the companies changed if 10* companies haven't been released yet?
some got better, some worse, some already have the same specials as before costing way more.
just...an asynchrony.
I dont think there's a problem here. Its really not much money relative to better jobs, and increasing its job point costs would make it no better than grocer starting job. but really the other benefits provided aside from income really are what matters for a company, even in oil, i sometimes wish i could jump to sports team or fireworks or cruise liner or other jobs for merits/ benefits that aren't easily attained outside of companies.
Because of this, i wouldn't agree with option 2 or 3, but i don't see an issue in making it a bit more expensive since it is a high commodity income.
Honestly though, i'd like to see other companies be brought in line with Sweet shop though for their respective benefits, i understand there's lower tier forms of companies but there's alot that seem absolutely useless too.
I own a 5 star sweet shop - bought it a few weeks back, I use the cans to train my stats and sell some to make money.
Funny enough, sweet shops have been in Torn for along time - their job special has always been kept in a secret place called help file and they even hid them on TCbasic.
Places where no one would ever look.
The thing is, cans now are cheaper than they were a while back as there are more job specials giving them.
Oh nooeess a grocer Torn city job - quick nerf that one too.
Basically at a guess I would reckon that Pur3Terr0r had one of two issues:
1. He wanted to work in a 5 star shop but found the owner (as do all 5 star shop owners) charge workers to work for them...
2. He wanted to buy one, and found that they were expensive - mine cost me 2bn - not really cheap by most standards as I sold my 5 star cruiser to buy it. Other 5 star ones as you will see are 3 to 5 bn...
So I reckon a few of you should re-read and think why this was posted - a player 71 days old being mouthy about a company...
And players like Reputed, David, Spurtung and others who know about Torn as they have played for a while have made a perfect statements.
It isn't all about Monetary cost you know, it is the effort and time taken to level it up to 5*.
You try and get good employees to stay in the company with crappy specials for 200+ days without paying hundreds of thousands a day to keep them.
The daily income sucks as a director, the 1* and 3* specials suck as employees.
If the special at 5* were not good, then what would be the point in ranking one up?
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I would also like to add that for someone that's only 71 days old, you seem to "think" you know an awful lot about this game.
Makes me, and others wonder "How do you"?
Lol. i bought a sweet shop just to find out what he was saying was true. i also looked up on tcbsic.com but doubted it as not also their info is updated.
yeah i agree with Pureterror. It is a heck load of money for such a cheap company to get.
Before this new sweet shop i remember that there was only 3-5 sweet shops but now i can see that there are tons, most of the nearly reaching 5 in less than a couple of months.
By Pur3Terr0r [1684666]
its funny how all the 5* directors of a sweet shop disagrees as the are MAKING FREAKIN LOT OF MONEY.
Not exactly a freaking lot of money, but yes we aren't struggling.
Why not answer my questions in mail?
How does this affect you?
Is it simply jealousy from your husband who got a job and you didnt?
Or is it because you don't own one and can't be bothered to rank one up?
If it is so easy to rank one up, then why doesn't anyone who complains rank one up to 5* and start reaping the benefits yourselves?
That is like me complaining about Oil Rigs benefits allowing you to decrease banking time, which is something that would benefit me, however my manual is too low so i dont get accepted, and I dont have the money to buy my own.
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By Pur3Terr0r [1684666]
its funny how all the 5* directors of a sweet shop disagrees as the are MAKING FREAKIN LOT OF MONEY.
Not exactly a freaking lot of money, but yes we aren't struggling.
Why not answer my questions in mail?
How does this affect you?
Is it simply jealousy from your husband who got a job and you didnt?
Or is it because you don't own one and can't be bothered to rank one up?
If it is so easy to rank one up, then why doesn't anyone who complains rank one up to 5* and start reaping the benefits yourselves?
That is like me complaining about Oil Rigs benefits allowing you to decrease banking time, which is something that would benefit me, however my manual is too low so i dont get accepted, and I dont have the money to buy my own.
first of all. my spouse is in a 1* sweet shop so i have no reason to be jealous.
Secondly, no i dont want to own one or be in one.
I am just saying that sweet shop special are exagerated for a little company. You cannot compare a sweet shop to an oil rig as an oil rig cost billions. so the specials and profits are balance.
whereas a sweet shop, every 2 days you can get a random can. you could sell it for alot or get energy alot.
Whereas a furniture, which has to be put alot more work to lvl up has up to 5-6mil profit per day, which is less than the total amount you and your employees gain. secondly, energy gained from cans is more than energy gained from furniture which is also unbalance.
How about me tomoro buy a 5* sweet shop, create alot of multis and get cans every 2 days?
If you be more realistic, 10 job points for 1 energy can is abit exgerated for a company that doesnt cost much
edit: If you take nightclub for another example. the specials are to give you drugs, and drugs cost less than cans even tho they cost around 30 job points per day. This is unfair as nightclubs cost more than sweet shops
Funny enough, sweet shops have been in Torn for along time - their job special has always been kept in a secret place called help file and they even hid them on TCbasic.
sweet shop's special use to give only happiness, never cans. you're not fooling anyone.
Funny enough, sweet shops have been in Torn for along time - their job special has always been kept in a secret place called help file and they even hid them on TCbasic.
sweet shop's special use to give only happiness, never cans. you're not fooling anyone.
1 Sweet Tooth 20 Happy per job point
3 Indulgence Trade 2 job points for a bag of candy
5 Sugar Rush Trade 10 job points for a can of energy drink
5* sweet shops have always given energy cans, the happy is for 1 and 3* specials.
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Yes again - I restate - a new low level player with not much cash having a rant, how often does this happen?
I'm pretty sure when these sweet shops were designed years ago by Ched and the programmers, Cans were worth a considerable amount more being a lot rarer. If anything they have become cheaper as with the new grocer job specials and the more 5 star shops appearing.
A more pressing issue would be:
Name: Pur3Terr0r [1684666]
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AND
Name: emiZed [1674974]
Online: Offline
Status: Civilian
Faction: Genetic
Job: $ Sweet Cash $ [22/24]
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Marital Status: Married to Pur3Terr0r
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Who are very new to the game with a CASTLE and a faction with only your two accounts and one one other, both logging in and out at the SAME time ? hmmmmmmmm very interesting....
That said:
Older players who have worked long and hard in the game know that making money is not easy and takes time as a rule. There is no get rich quick and being only a few weeks old and ranting about things they have failed at should not be taken seriously...
By _Chaoking_ [1444863]
Lol. i bought a sweet shop just to find out what he was saying was true. i also looked up on tcbsic.com but doubted it as not also their info is updated.
yeah i agree with Pureterror. It is a heck load of money for such a cheap company to get.
Before this new sweet shop i remember that there was only 3-5 sweet shops but now i can see that there are tons, most of the nearly reaching 5 in less than a couple of months.
Sooo the more sweet shops the more cans, the more cans the less the value...
I see you have bought a sweet shop - can you tell me how it is going - easy or hard ?
Thats how it is going
Not so easy to get employees and rank up is it?
A good example is poor old _Isis_.
Her sweet shop has been 4* for ages.
She is paying anything between 100k to 1million per employee per day.
A quick add up (may be wrong) shows she pays over $10mill per day in wages alone!
Do you not think that she deserves to get some money back when her company gets to 5* or are you just heartless?
Last Edited: Sun Jan 13, 2013 15:22:58
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By Evil_Hamster [794548]
Older players who have worked long and hard in the game know that making money is not easy and takes time as a rule. There is no get rich quick and being only a few weeks old and ranting about things they have failed at should not be taken seriously...
Doesnt anyone else think this is strange?
This ^
And you think paying 1m for a company that earns $12-$40k with a 1 star for a starter is easy? With the wages of your employees that you are required to play daily? I see only 6 5 stared companies that proves that it is VERY HARD to make a sweet shop rank up into a 5 start company. Its only like 200 people who gets 1 can every two days from the company's specials with a pay of 10k max without the company going bankrupt.
EDIT: And also, if the job points required to get an energy drink will double, you people should expect that market prices for energy drinks will double too.
Last Edited: Sun Jan 13, 2013 15:59:21
You may strategically place your wonderful lips upon my posterior and kiss it repeatedly.
Granted, the owners probably deserve some credit, the staff on the other hand... Congrats on logging in.
The fact of the matter remains that the benafits of working at a sweet shop are vastly out of sync compared to both the stat requirements and the start up costs. One drink every two days bumps wages to about the same as a large number of cruise liners.
No but seriously.. Say No to legalised scamming, Its just logical.
By Evil_Hamster [794548]
Older players who have worked long and hard in the game know that making money is not easy and takes time as a rule. There is no get rich quick and being only a few weeks old and ranting about things they have failed at should not be taken seriously...
Doesnt anyone else think this is strange?
This ^
And you think paying 1m for a company that earns $12-$40k with a 1 star for a starter is easy? With the wages of your employees that you are required to play daily? I see only 6 5 stared companies that proves that it is VERY HARD to make a sweet shop rank up into a 5 start company. Its only like 200 people who gets 1 can every two days from the company's specials with a pay of 10k max without the company going bankrupt.
Every company is hard to lvl up. not just sweet shops. you can only find few 5* cuz the update was only like 1 yr ago. so they all just started making sweet shops now, thats why it is hard to lvl as there are many competitors. BUT THAT is for all sorts of companies and not just sweet shop.
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