Thread created on Mon Nov 19, 2012 20:37:44 Last replied to on Thu Nov 22, 2012 04:40:26
Now before you say this was my own fault, I accept that, but really? ~130 muggings in one night? This almost ruined the game for me, I will probably get over it eventually, but I lost over 300m to one person who scammed other players into reviving me (He offered them money to revive me and told some of them to talk to me for the reward others weren't told who to claim it from, just told they would get a reward) so he could mug me again. So what I am requesting is a delay for another mugging, I personally don't mug someone I mugged previously within 24 hours to give them time to recooperate, as I know the pain of being constantly attacked from when I was a new player. However I think there should atleast be a 30 minute or 20 minute cool down after you get out of the hospital for a mugging before you can be mugged again, It wouldn't have made much of a difference but it would have been something, it would have lessened the pain a bit of losing 300 million in my sleep.
Now take it out of my situation it is still useful, usually Mugging timers are much shorter then Hospitalization, so someone Hospitalizing you would still not have a timer, as Hospitalizing would be pointless to spam unless you wanted to ruin someones stats, Mugging however can ruin the entire game for someone, with someone breaking bank due to being "tag teamed" mugged, with money being so important in this game, I can imagine you can see where losing money would come from, however they would make back the money, I think it isn't right to be able to mug someone 50+ times within 3 hours.
By Awsmgynick [1416975]
I think there should atleast be a 30 minute or 20 minute cool down after you get out of the hospital for a mugging before you can be mugged again,
There is.
Smart people set their revive settings on "Only friends and faction" or even "Nobody".
Then they can't revive you and need to wait the full 20min till you're out of the hospital again.
By Awsmgynick [1416975]
I think there should atleast be a 30 minute or 20 minute cool down after you get out of the hospital for a mugging before you can be mugged again,
There is.
Smart people set their revive settings on "Only friends and faction" or even "Nobody".
Then they can't revive you and need to wait the full 20min till you're out of the hospital again.
The Recommended option is everyone, and didn't see a problem with it until now.
Also that is not a cool down, that is the hospital time.
By Vitharr [1430880]
Post this in the Bugs and Issues forum. Sorry for backseat moderating, I'm in class and I'm bored...
I think staff will close that thread and tell to change your revive settings and be careful with large amounts of money.
Recommended is for most players not everyone.
And I don't see most players being mugged for 300mil in 1 night.
When travelling (how a lot of players earn their money) it's really useful if it's on Everyone.
And about your cooldown suggestion: only for mugging? Or for all the others too?
Because only for mugging would be hard to code, you could still hosp or leave him basicly. And if you don't know if he's just been mugged, you would finish him off and not have a mug option making it a useless attack.
By David002 [530238]
I think staff will close that thread and tell to change your revive settings and be careful with large amounts of money.
Recommended is for most players not everyone.
And I don't see most players being mugged for 300mil in 1 night.
When travelling (how a lot of players earn their money) it's really useful if it's on Everyone.
And about your cooldown suggestion: only for mugging? Or for all the others too?
Because only for mugging would be hard to code, you could still hosp or leave him basicly. And if you don't know if he's just been mugged, you would finish him off and not have a mug option making it a useless attack.
I would recommend making it an Icon that was clearly visible, and possibly a warning before an attack.
By bloodred [662077]
there is no reason to post into bugs and issues
dont hold cash on hand, turn off revives
but if you want to make mugging even harder it would ruin the game
mugging someone with cash is hard enough
Hard Enough? If it was so hard, I wouldn't have had it done to me so many times.
yes, hard enough.
hard to find decent targets with enough money to make it worth it while being kind enough to allow revives.
plus, it takes organization to own at that level the sad bastards such as yourself.
I got lucky, I walked around town and found a parachute, and during the Halloween event I made nearly 30 million, Parachutes sell for 300 million, I sold it, 30 minutes later I got mugged, then again, then again, Kind enough to allow revives? At this point revives were an act of torture, not mercy and kindness. Maybe you should reread the beginning? Either way out of context is what I am talking about
It would allow new players to still play without being mugged every hour, I was a new player and got mugged every 30-40 minutes one day, the next day me and the player sorted it out, but he had already taken 70k (That was a large amount when I was new, I got some 40k from a friend and the rest was from investing in a bank account and crimes, I was incredibly active then)After that I was inactive for about 200 days, I just gave up hope of getting it back.
By bloodred [662077]
there is no reason to post into bugs and issues
dont hold cash on hand, turn off revives
but if you want to make mugging even harder it would ruin the game
mugging someone with cash is hard enough
Hard Enough? If it was so hard, I wouldn't have had it done to me so many times.
yes, hard enough.
hard to find decent targets with enough money to make it worth it while being kind enough to allow revives.
plus, it takes organization to own at that level the sad bastards such as yourself.
I got lucky, I walked around town and found a parachute, and during the Halloween event I made nearly 30 million, Parachutes sell for 300 million, I sold it, 30 minutes later I got mugged, then again, then again, Kind enough to allow revives? At this point revives were an act of torture, not mercy and kindness. Maybe you should reread the beginning? Either way out of context is what I am talking about
It would allow new players to still play without being mugged every hour, I was a new player and got mugged every 30-40 minutes one day, the next day me and the player sorted it out, but he had already taken 70k (That was a large amount when I was new, I got some 40k from a friend and the rest was from investing in a bank account and crimes, I was incredibly active then)After that I was inactive for about 200 days, I just gave up hope of getting it back.
I read the entire thread, thank you.
so really, you want the entire game to change because:
- you got your revives turned on and
- had money in hand.
you keep insisting on that as if you were right? well, sorry to burst the bubble, but you're being delusional here
By bloodred [662077]
there is no reason to post into bugs and issues
dont hold cash on hand, turn off revives
but if you want to make mugging even harder it would ruin the game
mugging someone with cash is hard enough
Hard Enough? If it was so hard, I wouldn't have had it done to me so many times.
yes, hard enough.
hard to find decent targets with enough money to make it worth it while being kind enough to allow revives.
plus, it takes organization to own at that level the sad bastards such as yourself.
I got lucky, I walked around town and found a parachute, and during the Halloween event I made nearly 30 million, Parachutes sell for 300 million, I sold it, 30 minutes later I got mugged, then again, then again, Kind enough to allow revives? At this point revives were an act of torture, not mercy and kindness. Maybe you should reread the beginning? Either way out of context is what I am talking about
It would allow new players to still play without being mugged every hour, I was a new player and got mugged every 30-40 minutes one day, the next day me and the player sorted it out, but he had already taken 70k (That was a large amount when I was new, I got some 40k from a friend and the rest was from investing in a bank account and crimes, I was incredibly active then)After that I was inactive for about 200 days, I just gave up hope of getting it back.
I read the entire thread, thank you.
so really, you want the entire game to change because:
- you got your revives turned on and
- had money in hand.
you keep insisting on that as if you were right? well, sorry to burst the bubble, but you're being delusional here
You read the entire thing? In the first sentence I said it's my fault... Read again...
By Awsmgynick [1416975]
You read the entire thing? In the first sentence I said it's my fault... Read again...
ok, I'll try slower.
there's no reason to make such a change in the game.
...I'm not a mentally challenged person, your just not allowing the points into your mind, I could care less I got mugged now, honestly I will make it back in a few months, less if I am smart about it, But this has brought me flashbacks to when I was a noob, infact I tried to recruit a few friends and they left from constant mugging, to say there is no reason is completely false, atleast admit there are some reasons, whether you agree if these reasons are substantial enough to make the change is a different story, and I assume you don't agree, which is perfectly fine, I'm not forcing you to agree, it's a suggestion forum, I am making a suggestion.
By Spurtung [96875]
when I was a noob, people could see how much everyone had in hand, there were no vaults, and no 14 day protection.
why should new players be more protected? it's not like they have that much in hand anyway
When you joined I assume there were alot less players, now you have a lot, meaning theres a lot more opportunities to be mugged in large incidents.
yes thats true but cash was much harder to earn
so that means that back then when you got mugged it hurt you much more then it does now
true, we didn't get to live in a palace since week 2 or anything.
there were no cesiums, no SEs, DPs were not items, no flowers to get, nothing. crimes were pretty much the only way to make money.
so yeah, he got ass f**ked over and over and nobody wants to change the way mugging happens.
yes thats true but cash was much harder to earn
so that means that back then when you got mugged it hurt you much more then it does now
true, we didn't get to live in a palace since week 2 or anything.
there were no cesiums, no SEs, DPs were not items, no flowers to get, nothing. crimes were pretty much the only way to make money.
so yeah, he got ass f**ked over and over and nobody wants to change the way mugging happens.
/thread
Hold up, didn't I say 250 times that I don't care about that anymore? Now come on, I just used some of my old faction funds and invested, I will get it back rather quickly, I am fine now, but do you really think this is fair? Mugging isn't the only way to make money anymore, so why treat it as if it is? By the way, I have lived in a shack for a while, a long time in the beginning, and a long time after, and all these new players I see who are getting mugged, can't afford a detached-house. For a while I was helping out most of my friends by sending them money to keep them afloat when they were new, now don't tell me this is all about me, or all about how you were treated when you were new. That doesn't matter anymore, when I was new, the point market was dried up, there were no handouts from walking around in town, and there was nothing you could do if you were getting ganged up against, isn't this all a viable reason to change things?
To say the only reason I support it myself is completely false, it's simply not true, its about as false as you saying there were no reasons at all, in fact by saying my reason was to help myself you are directly contradicting yourself. I'm sure that is not at all what you meant to do but you did, and now I don't even want to bother arguing with you anymore cause it would be useless, how would I know if you were being biased, or telling the truth and being unbiased, when you have a biased and contradicted viewpoint right there. I came into this expecting a debate, but I left without the satisfaction of one because people just simply think people have it to easy now, cause they remember when they were new. Your actual only responses have been basically, 'If I didn't get why should they?' and 'Mugging is a great way to make money'. Now the 2nd one is a good argument and I will of course reply to it. It isn't impossible to still make money off of it if you are mugging, you simply can not gang against one person, and be honest here, would it be fair if you could? Your next argument would probably be 'This game wasn't meant to be fair' and again that is a good argument, I have probably used that line alot when I talk to new players when they tell me they are getting ganged up against, but really it shouldn't be THIS unfair. It is as if you don't want new players to have a chance at all once their protection runs out.
As for money being hard to earn, it still is, it's just that the amount in which people are given money by friends has raised the ability to earn money. Most people end up joining the Army or Hospital First. Those jobs don't pay well. Then you have crimes, most people in the beginning will only get $200 max from a crime in the beginning when they are starting. Then lets not forget you have the bank, I didn't know about the bank till I was level 10, until then any money I got, I usually gave away to one of my friends so I couldn't get it mugged away, then when I needed money I asked him for some. (He would have been considered a high level at the time). The bank though only gives usually $1,000-$70,000 per investment for a new player, that may sound high, but anyone who joined recently knows that's not a whole lot. Now the reason I say it is hard to earn even with all these added together (Which would be considered a lot) is the constant threat of being mugged, and what I learned the hard way, is when a Mugger finds money, he will keep at it, I knew this as a new player as well, usually after taking nearly 70% of the players 'In Hand' money, their common decency will kick in, but do you really think a new player will just be 'OK' about losing all of that, all of that hard work? Be honest here, don't say you never left for a week, a month, any time period, because you had lost everything on here and saw no reason to return if the same thing would just happen again. It's not about the money, it is about the work you put into getting it on here.
By Awsmgynick [1416975]
To say the only reason I support it myself is completely false, it's simply not true, its about as false as you saying there were no reasons at all, in fact by saying my reason was to help myself you are directly contradicting yourself. I'm sure that is not at all what you meant to do but you did, and now I don't even want to bother arguing with you anymore cause it would be useless, how would I know if you were being biased, or telling the truth and being unbiased, when you have a biased and contradicted viewpoint right there. I came into this expecting a debate, but I left without the satisfaction of one because people just simply think people have it to easy now, cause they remember when they were new. Your actual only responses have been basically, 'If I didn't get why should they?' and 'Mugging is a great way to make money'. Now the 2nd one is a good argument and I will of course reply to it. It isn't impossible to still make money off of it if you are mugging, you simply can not gang against one person, and be honest here, would it be fair if you could? Your next argument would probably be 'This game wasn't meant to be fair' and again that is a good argument, I have probably used that line alot when I talk to new players when they tell me they are getting ganged up against, but really it shouldn't be THIS unfair. It is as if you don't want new players to have a chance at all once their protection runs out.
let us just focus on this paragraph for a little bit.
To say the only reason I support it myself is completely false, it's simply not true, its about as false as you saying there were no reasons at all, in fact by saying my reason was to help myself you are directly contradicting yourself. I'm sure that is not at all what you meant to do but you did, and now I don't even want to bother arguing with you anymore cause it would be useless, how would I know if you were being biased, or telling the truth and being unbiased, when you have a biased and contradicted viewpoint right there.
what the f**k are you on about here? you support what yourself? I contradict myself how? and why would I be any biased? I never mugged that much nor was I mugged at all.
I came into this expecting a debate, but I left without the satisfaction of one because people just simply think people have it to easy now, cause they remember when they were new. Your actual only responses have been basically, 'If I didn't get why should they?' and 'Mugging is a great way to make money'. Now the 2nd one is a good argument and I will of course reply to it. It isn't impossible to still make money off of it if you are mugging, you simply can not gang against one person, and be honest here, would it be fair if you could?
my "1st argument" wasn't used at all. I did not say such thing nor did I mean that in any way.
the "2nd argument", well I wouldn't put it exactly like that. all I'm saying is mugging is a valid part of the game. and yes you can gang up on mugging, and why wouldn't it be fair? if you leave your door open and go on vacation, you're putting yourself at risk. same goes here, there are ways to keep money safe, and choosing not to do it, is one's choice.
Your next argument would probably be 'This game wasn't meant to be fair' and again that is a good argument, I have probably used that line alot when I talk to new players when they tell me they are getting ganged up against, but really it shouldn't be THIS unfair. It is as if you don't want new players to have a chance at all once their protection runs out.
don't guess what I'd say without me actually saying it.
bottom line is, it's natural for mugging to occur between similar levels/stats. one doesn't have much, other doesn't take much.
as people advance in game, it becomes more likely to find people keeping large sums of money in hand. the need for money also increases.
there are people getting mugged after selling items in auctions, after completing trades, by selling items in bazaars, it happens. finding those is hard, for amounts that are worth it, but when that combines with them not taking precautions into reviving...well, too bad.
I'm not arguing your personal case here, if I were, all you'd get from me is "boohoo".
I just don't think the game, as a whole, needs that sort of security.
next would be what? not being able to revive when chaining? it's a part of the game, and you can't argue there's nothing sweeter than a whole faction traveling and taking care and then a simpleton forgets about turning off his revives and that faction gets hit with bonus after bonus, over and over.
Honestly I didn't read all of that, and before you say anything let me tell you why. Whenever I see that format, It mostly comes from a troll, however I will admit that I did read portions of it, and here's what I have to say:
1) I said you would probably say something, not that you definitely would, I never made it so that your only response is the one I set out for you, and I am happy you didn't say that, I understand the anger but again, that is my assumption, not 100% what you would say, to take it as an insult would be making me come off rude when I am not attempting to, despite what anyone may think.
2)
By Spurtung [96875]
when I was a noob, people could see how much everyone had in hand, there were no vaults, and no 14 day protection.
why should new players be more protected? it's not like they have that much in hand anyway
You did say why should they be protected if you weren't, there is your quote.
3)
By Spurtung [96875]
true, we didn't get to live in a palace since week 2 or anything.
there were no cesiums, no SEs, DPs were not items, no flowers to get, nothing. crimes were pretty much the only way to make money.
so yeah, he got ass f**ked over and over and nobody wants to change the way mugging happens.
/thread
You contradict yourself from earlier right there. You said new players don't have much in hand, but to be able to afford a palace (In most cases) means people are either making a lot or have a lot since you have to pay upkeep, and any staff. If you make a lot of money then you will always be a target, even if you make it back, and my assumption is (Again I am assuming not saying for sure) that anyone with a palace would not be a new player, and so that would be irrelevant, I know of only a few people who would be able to get a palace at "week 2" without being mugged repeatedly.
4)The Beginning of my paragraph you focused is missing a few words, it should be: "To say the only reason I support it is because it happened to myself is completely false" I do take blame for leaving that out and understand it may have made you focus on it, rather then the message, sorry.
5)I'm getting the vibe that you feel insulted, if not then okay, again just an assumption (Don't get mad) the only reason I say so is because of your hasty response, and the way it is put together, usually the method you used it done by trolls to give attention to errors the other poster made, in order to discredit his cause, again just an assumption, and I want to bring to light that you have insulted me multiple times, so you don't feel, if you do feel insulted, that I am attempting to just insult you for no reason:
By Spurtung [96875]
so yeah, he got ass f**ked over and over and nobody wants to change the way mugging happens.
/thread
By Spurtung [96875]
By Awsmgynick [1416975]
You read the entire thing? In the first sentence I said it's my fault... Read again...
ok, I'll try slower.
there's no reason to make such a change in the game.
By Spurtung [96875]
plus, it takes organization to own at that level the sad bastards such as yourself.
By MistressBallKkr [1322136]
Money is easy to protect, protect it. Lesson learned I'd hope.
Oh definitely, I just know that if I was a new player and something like this happened (Even worse then what did happen when I was a new player) I would have left this game for good and not have looked back.
By Awsmgynick [1416975]
Honestly I didn't read all of that, and before you say anything let me tell you why. Whenever I see that format, It mostly comes from a troll, however I will admit that I did read portions of it, and here's what I have to say:
1) I said you would probably say something, not that you definitely would, I never made it so that your only response is the one I set out for you, and I am happy you didn't say that, I understand the anger but again, that is my assumption, not 100% what you would say, to take it as an insult would be making me come off rude when I am not attempting to, despite what anyone may think.
2)
By Spurtung [96875]
when I was a noob, people could see how much everyone had in hand, there were no vaults, and no 14 day protection.
why should new players be more protected? it's not like they have that much in hand anyway
You did say why should they be protected if you weren't, there is your quote.
3)
By Spurtung [96875]
true, we didn't get to live in a palace since week 2 or anything.
there were no cesiums, no SEs, DPs were not items, no flowers to get, nothing. crimes were pretty much the only way to make money.
so yeah, he got ass f**ked over and over and nobody wants to change the way mugging happens.
/thread
You contradict yourself from earlier right there. You said new players don't have much in hand, but to be able to afford a palace (In most cases) means people are either making a lot or have a lot since you have to pay upkeep, and any staff. If you make a lot of money then you will always be a target, even if you make it back, and my assumption is (Again I am assuming not saying for sure) that anyone with a palace would not be a new player, and so that would be irrelevant, I know of only a few people who would be able to get a palace at "week 2" without being mugged repeatedly.
4)The Beginning of my paragraph you focused is missing a few words, it should be: "To say the only reason I support it is because it happened to myself is completely false" I do take blame for leaving that out and understand it may have made you focus on it, rather then the message, sorry.
5)I'm getting the vibe that you feel insulted, if not then okay, again just an assumption (Don't get mad) the only reason I say so is because of your hasty response, and the way it is put together, usually the method you used it done by trolls to give attention to errors the other poster made, in order to discredit his cause, again just an assumption, and I want to bring to light that you have insulted me multiple times, so you don't feel, if you do feel insulted, that I am attempting to just insult you for no reason:
By Spurtung [96875]
so yeah, he got ass f**ked over and over and nobody wants to change the way mugging happens.
/thread
By Spurtung [96875]
By Awsmgynick [1416975]
You read the entire thing? In the first sentence I said it's my fault... Read again...
ok, I'll try slower.
there's no reason to make such a change in the game.
By Spurtung [96875]
plus, it takes organization to own at that level the sad bastards such as yourself.
so you want a debate, but can't be bothered to read what the other part writes. cool.
btw, I pretty much separated your own mid paragraph in smaller bits to better analyse it.
guess that's how trolls roll.
1) what anger?
2) I said "more protected", as they are protected enough as it is. keyword: "more".
3) "money in hand" is not the same thing as market liquidity. for example, my palace was bought by selling all the cars me and my wife had, at one specific moment in time. so there, we did not keep money in hand, but we still had it available. factions were also used to store money.
4) I did not "focus" on it. I actually didn't understand what you meant by what was written there and was honestly confused about it. If you happen to re-read it yourself, you'll notice it's quite unstructured and not very clear.
5) I'm not insulted at all. if anything, it's amusing seeing you battle for something that nobody but the ones that weren't careful wants and that won't be implemented. period.
By Awsmgynick [1416975]
Honestly I didn't read all of that, and before you say anything let me tell you why. Whenever I see that format, It mostly comes from a troll, however I will admit that I did read portions of it, and here's what I have to say:
1) I said you would probably say something, not that you definitely would, I never made it so that your only response is the one I set out for you, and I am happy you didn't say that, I understand the anger but again, that is my assumption, not 100% what you would say, to take it as an insult would be making me come off rude when I am not attempting to, despite what anyone may think.
2)
By Spurtung [96875]
when I was a noob, people could see how much everyone had in hand, there were no vaults, and no 14 day protection.
why should new players be more protected? it's not like they have that much in hand anyway
You did say why should they be protected if you weren't, there is your quote.
3)
By Spurtung [96875]
true, we didn't get to live in a palace since week 2 or anything.
there were no cesiums, no SEs, DPs were not items, no flowers to get, nothing. crimes were pretty much the only way to make money.
so yeah, he got ass f**ked over and over and nobody wants to change the way mugging happens.
/thread
You contradict yourself from earlier right there. You said new players don't have much in hand, but to be able to afford a palace (In most cases) means people are either making a lot or have a lot since you have to pay upkeep, and any staff. If you make a lot of money then you will always be a target, even if you make it back, and my assumption is (Again I am assuming not saying for sure) that anyone with a palace would not be a new player, and so that would be irrelevant, I know of only a few people who would be able to get a palace at "week 2" without being mugged repeatedly.
4)The Beginning of my paragraph you focused is missing a few words, it should be: "To say the only reason I support it is because it happened to myself is completely false" I do take blame for leaving that out and understand it may have made you focus on it, rather then the message, sorry.
5)I'm getting the vibe that you feel insulted, if not then okay, again just an assumption (Don't get mad) the only reason I say so is because of your hasty response, and the way it is put together, usually the method you used it done by trolls to give attention to errors the other poster made, in order to discredit his cause, again just an assumption, and I want to bring to light that you have insulted me multiple times, so you don't feel, if you do feel insulted, that I am attempting to just insult you for no reason:
By Spurtung [96875]
so yeah, he got ass f**ked over and over and nobody wants to change the way mugging happens.
/thread
By Spurtung [96875]
By Awsmgynick [1416975]
You read the entire thing? In the first sentence I said it's my fault... Read again...
ok, I'll try slower.
there's no reason to make such a change in the game.
By Spurtung [96875]
plus, it takes organization to own at that level the sad bastards such as yourself.
so you want a debate, but can't be bothered to read what the other part writes. cool.
btw, I pretty much separated your own mid paragraph in smaller bits to better analyse it.
guess that's how trolls roll.
1) what anger?
2) I said "more protected", as they are protected enough as it is. keyword: "more".
3) "money in hand" is not the same thing as market liquidity. for example, my palace was bought by selling all the cars me and my wife had, at one specific moment in time. so there, we did not keep money in hand, but we still had it available. factions were also used to store money.
4) I did not "focus" on it. I actually didn't understand what you meant by what was written there and was honestly confused about it. If you happen to re-read it yourself, you'll notice it's quite unstructured and not very clear.
5) I'm not insulted at all. if anything, it's amusing seeing you battle for something that nobody but the ones that weren't careful wants and that won't be implemented. period.
I'm not gonna battle for anything no one else wants, but I will show my viewpoint and hope you can agree. If not, I tried, and that's good enough for me, I can understand why you don't want it. The only thing I am trying to do is try to convince you that the pros outweigh the cons, but at this point it seems impossible to convince you of anything, as I can see your point is firmly set. This is normal for an Old player, If I had heard this between the period of when I came back to a day before I got mugged, I would have been on your side, but simply put, 'that kind of made me remember' (Didn't even know about the forums back then). So if you guys want to continue the topic on here feel free, I doubt you will and that's okay, but just don't bump the thread, that is pointless if only a small minority want it.
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