I like the idea, altough i think losing stars will happen to quick if you dont make cash which somtimes is out of your control, for example if employees leave because you are inactive for 1 week (cant always be on torn). It may also be that employees overdose and dont rehab and you lose money. It does not make complete sense to punish the owner for maybe 1-3 employees.
Losing Stars Based On Imcome.The amount would be the average of all companies with the same amount of stars. - Major problem is that 'the average' will be high for example an oil rig. This is for those companies who usually have major upgrades with very high costs!. What if you cant afford to add more employees and are just a basic rig but it becomes 5*? Yet you have to try keep up with companies 2-3x as big as your company. A bit unfair. You can expect everyone to have money to upgrade a company. Nor should they be forced to. In order to not lose stars. Upgrades would cost more than the size of a basic rig some may not have enough cash.
A basic rig cannot keep up with the average imcome of upgraded rigs which many are.
Also if the director goes inactive, it will most likey not make any cash and it will go down to 1*. Somtimes people have to go on holiday etc can always be on Torn. If that is the case and the manager runs it, again u will be punished for someones elses ability to run a company not yours ability.
But i like the other stuff suggested. I do like the idea of losing stars. But i think the timing is too less. Trying to get smaller upgraded companies to compete with large companies is unfair. Time is only one week of bad income, i think is too less.
Also if you have to run a company via income to stay to 5* then those who have only them in the company will struggle to make moake the required income. Those companies who do not make alot of daily imcome such as candle store, toy shop etc. will need to try keep up with the the requirements in order to keep it 5*. Employees will demand alot of daily wages as they know, the direcetor will be put in a postion either hire or lose stars.
I think it will make more sense if u lose stars depending on effeiceny, cleanliness, enviroment. Stuff you are in control of yourself other that trying to compete with comapnies who may be the same star but have different upgrades -therfore making much more money. I think there needs to be an incrase the the amount of time before a star drops as it takes much longer to increase stars. Also maybe a holiday period where owners can employ 1 or 2 x a year where they can be inactive for 2-3 weeks. for example if they are going on holiday in real life..
I see your concerns about the oil rigs, though I also made this suggestion with eye on the possibility of 10 star companies.
Yes if you have a basic company you wont be able to compete with better ones, but that should just mean you drop one star with all the other basic companies...
And as you make money there you can afford more upgrades... ^^
People doing drugs and not going to rehab will be very unpopular with directors, giving drugs finally a serious downside...
As for directors on vacation, thats why I given the option for managers. That can extend director inactivity alot longer.
And yes cleanliness and environment should be factors as well.
Though thats already in as getting more customers to earn more money
By Danny_ [75604]
I see your concerns about the oil rigs, though I also made this suggestion with eye on the possibility of 10 star companies.
Yes if you have a basic company you wont be able to compete with better ones, but that should just mean you drop one star with all the other basic companies...
And as you make money there you can afford more upgrades... ^^
People doing drugs and not going to rehab will be very unpopular with directors, giving drugs finally a serious downside...
As for directors on vacation, thats why I given the option for managers. That can extend director inactivity alot longer.
And yes cleanliness and environment should be factors as well.
Though thats already in as getting more customers to earn more money
I still think its unafair to drop stars donw becuase you cant afford upgrades...I think stars also do impact on profit so dropping them down to one star so they can compete would mean they drop profits.
By MohammedAbu [1582618]
I still think its unafair to drop stars donw becuase you cant afford upgrades...I think stars also do impact on profit so dropping them down to one star so they can compete would mean they drop profits.
You wouldn't drop to one star perse, you would drop down to the star level of companies you CAN compete with...
If you can't afford upgrades, you can try and get better employees and get customers through efficiency...
There should be more then way to reach the goal... ^^
And I would expect that with this suggestion I would see a lot less companies. So more potential employees for the rest.
By MohammedAbu [1582618]
I still think its unafair to drop stars donw becuase you cant afford upgrades...I think stars also do impact on profit so dropping them down to one star so they can compete would mean they drop profits.
You wouldn't drop to one star perse, you would drop down to the star level of companies you CAN compete with...
If you can't afford upgrades, you can try and get better employees and get customers through efficiency...
There should be more then way to reach the goal... ^^
And I would expect that with this suggestion I would see a lot less companies. So more potential employees for the rest.
Still even if you drop down one star. say 5* or once 10* companies comes out. And you can only be 4 or 9* to be on a level to be able to compete. You will never have the specail of being 5* or 10* Company...
I like the idea of losing stars gives a reason to look after the ompany rather than just leave it as normal once bought. But popularity is already based on other companies. I think that you should not lose stars based on imcome. Efficiency is usally 100% if you run it well.so customers will stay the same.
Too many factors come into play with income for it to affect losing stars:
Busniess Education
Advertising Stock
CNC Stock (Oil Rigs)
10% In In Advertising Stock
Company Upgrades.
Some wont be able to afford these but be able to buy a company. Too much to ask people to buy these as a must if you want to compete at the top level or youll lose stars or never reach the top. Ofcouse this wont affect some companies but will effect mainly Cruises, TV and Rigs as they make the most money via imcome. Not having max stars or be able to reach it means lose out of a specail. I think it will also be good to think of an alternative idea on how to lose and gain stars?
By Danny_ [75604]
If you can't afford the upgrades, save up some money so you can... Torn is a long term game...
Though if more people complain we might can think of something better...
Ah upto you but i just pointing out an weakness in your suggestion. I doubt unless you think of a better solution to that problem it wont be looked at.Overall other parts of your suggestions are good. Its not about complaining i was just pointing out the fact people have options to do educations such as busniess. If u cant compete unless you do cant just say torn is a long term game, but i thought your suggestion was to make companies more competitive not prevent people from being able to own one.
But your best suggestion by far is the possiblity to re-sell you company back to game. It will clear up alot of companies. I see many failing to sell. But dont want to erase as they spent money on it.
Maybe complain was a bad choice of a word, but yeah I can see your point.
Though so you can't own a top level company, you can always own a lower level company...
And yeah the selling back to the system is really needed to get rid of some useless companies, people won't get all their money back but at least most of it ^^
I like most of the ideas you have here, pretty well thought out. But, until company profits are fixed, alot of companies are only going to be used for specials.
Example: I have a 5* sports team. If i had everything maxed out at 100% (efficiency, etc) it would make what, 200k a day? Id rather have it for faction members to be able to have specials without having to worry about rehab every other day. If profits were better, i think alot of the inactivity and using them for banks would be at a minimum.
Lets be honest, unless you have a rig, tv station or a cruiser.... Profits suck compared to start up and upgrade costs.
I didnt rate because i believe if profits and such were fixed, most of these suggestions wouldnt be needed.
Nice suggestion. In fact, I run my own employee of the month, by giving out prizes every month. Of course, I have to choose who will win. I also do agree with Swag about profits...it's not balanced among companies. And I have seen people join companies like sport's team for specials.
Pay depending on efficiency: the more stars an employee has the more pay they can get.
5 star = 100% of a Directors set salary
4 stars = 80%, 3 stars = 60%, 2 stars = 30% and 1 star = 10%.
I would like to make a small suggestion that could solve the problem with stars. why not make it so that only the top/bottom 10% of companies within a rating are effected? the top 10% at the end of the week gain a star whilst the bottom 10% at the end of the week lose a star.
Also I would suggest getting completely rid of Pay depending on efficiency. Everyone should get the basic wage you set them. What you could do is set up bonuses based upon their efficiency.
Overall, I am not a big fan, but that is only because I have used companies as a bank before. But still R+
By DonBudd [1388176]
I would like to make a small suggestion that could solve the problem with stars. why not make it so that only the top/bottom 10% of companies within a rating are effected? the top 10% at the end of the week gain a star whilst the bottom 10% at the end of the week lose a star.
Well everyone should get effected, its only fair...
By DonBudd [1388176]Also I would suggest getting completely rid of Pay depending on efficiency. Everyone should get the basic wage you set them. What you could do is set up bonuses based upon their efficiency.
That is so Directors won't pay too much to druggies that never go to rehab, without having to fire them immediately... ^^
though maybe a way to make a deal in contracts?
By DonBudd [1388176]Overall, I am not a big fan, but that is only because I have used companies as a bank before. But still R+
My whole reason is to stop people from using companies as banks... It makes it harder for actual companies to function well and if you want to keep you money save you have multiple alternatives these days...
I see you're not a director yourself, have you ever ranked up a company before and gone through the sheer hell of overpaying staff just to have 10 employees in a company that will never make a profit and the 5* special is pure shite?
This is why a lot of 5* companies have few employees, you're wanting to destroy them because they can't keep losing millions daily in wages.
Everyone loves a sports team, everyone loves 1m daily wages. That accounts for 3 or 4 company styles, how about the other 20?
By A_Crazy_Man [524028]
I see you're not a director yourself, have you ever ranked up a company before and gone through the sheer hell of overpaying staff just to have 10 employees in a company that will never make a profit and the 5* special is pure shite?
I have had a company in past and I will again once I finish my educations.
By A_Crazy_Man [524028]This is why a lot of 5* companies have few employees, you're wanting to destroy them because they can't keep losing millions daily in wages.
I do not want destroy, I mean with the "useless" companies gone there would be more (potential) employees for the more serious companies.
By A_Crazy_Man [524028]Everyone loves a sports team, everyone loves 1m daily wages. That accounts for 3 or 4 company styles, how about the other 20?
With less companies, if people want to be in a company they will have to settle for a lower wage or don't get any company specials and only be able to do the standard NPC jobs which pay even less...
In my place of work a manager could not show up for months and the company would not suffer except for lack of paperwork.
I can count on no hands the number of times the ceo has actually made a rule. They own the company not run it.
The idea is fine in theory but
A. People like using banks. I would only like this if there was a decent upgrade to the banking system before it
B. We already lose enough money from not loggin in. Literally 10% profit the first day and it goes up until you stop grossing money at all.
C. Restrictions on managers would make me agree to this. Mainly they can't raise pay if I don't want them to, nor fire people above 3 stars or whatever I set it as. I don't have real life friends in this game so it would be too easy for someone to lower all the other wages and set some random person to 500m right before the day sets to mug them.
That said it is a good idea, it really is this is just one I would not like. I have to admire it is well though out clearly stated and may apeal to some people. Just not me.
not a bad idea, but my problem is there are too many companies that dont even make enough to pay the average wage of a few employees...let alone a whole staff. directors are willing to pay out more money than they make to rank up a company quickly. when they hit 5* they either stop paying, or drastically reduce the amount they make per day, but then they have a company worth a lot of money.
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