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To build on my last suggestion: Make Companies more competitive

To make companies even better, they should be able to lose stars if they perform badly...
This idea is meant to reduce useless companies and in doing so frees up more potential employees for the other more committed companies.

This way companies can actually be competitive and having lots of stars actually means something more than just more company specials

It also removes useless companies that people just use as a bank and making the popularity of actually companies higher...

Gaining and losing stars: A bigger then 1 star company should be expected to earn a certain amount of cash per day, if it falls below it for a week it should lose a star
The amount would be the average of all companies with the same amount of stars.
If its higher then other companies for a week it gains a star.

Companies are divided into several categories with each category having a its own coloured stars.

New company (light green star): A new company has a 2 week grace period or until they click the Grand Opening button where directors can hire employees, set prices and start an advertisement campaign.
Until the grand opening, the company will not get any income however and only potential customers where it says how many customers you could have gotten if you were open for business.
You can sell a new company back to the system for a 90% refund, if you changed your mind

Normal company (the current green stars): Will be just a normal company as they are now.

Empty company (White star)(the infamous banking companies): 1 star companies with only a director and perhaps 1 or 2 employees. When always remaining well under the average income of other one star companies for 2 weeks, will be placed into Abandoned mode by the system.

Inactive company (Orange star): Where the Director hasnt logged in for over a week.
This will cause all employees to become unassigned drastically decreasing company efficiency, most likely losing a lot of customers and receive no more payments.
The director will also not get any working stats and the employees only half their working stats and will no longer have any daily paychecks. (no boss = no one to pay you)

Abandoned company (Red star): Where the Director hasnt logged in for over 2 weeks.
At this point all remaining employees are fired and the company will get no more customers.
The company will start paying (from the company bank) 0.1% of a new company every day, to the TC fire department/construction crew to keep an extra eye on the company for fire hazards/crucial repairs.
To get out of Abandoned company status, the director needs to pay 1% of a new company for every 3 days its been in that status.

Bankruptcy (Black star): When the company bank no longer holds enough money to pay the TC fire department/construction crew, the company gets deleted with everything in it the next day.


To help a director with these new things, there are some things at their disposal .

Manager(s): A director can assign one or two employees as manager. Depending on company size.
Managers double/triple the amount of time a director can be inactive before a company changes its status. Managers can also hire and fire employees and assign ranks and pay. (not their own rank or pay or each others)
However managers can only be inactive for 3 days.
Managers can also add money to the company bank but not take it out.

Selling companies: You can sell your company back to the system for 75% of a new company.

Employee of the month: Each month every player thats been in the company for at least 30 days, has a chance to be employee of the month. It depends of who had the highest efficiency the longest in the last 30 days and any extra time they have been in the company. So the longer youve been in the company the higher your chances.
The employee of the month, gets an 25% boost to their daily stat gain for a month. Until the next employee of the month choosing or as long as they remain active.

Pay depending on efficiency: the more stars an employee has the more pay they can get.
5 star = 100% of a Directors set salary
4 stars = 80%, 3 stars = 60%, 2 stars = 30% and 1 star = 10%.
Employees of the month and people in the company for more than 100 days can get 6 stars, although that is quite hard to achieve. Which gives 115% of a directors set salary. Each 6 star employee also increases company efficiency a lot.

Contracts: When applying or hiring, a contract can be offered or required. Managers cannot set up contracts, only directors and the would be employee.
The things that can be put into the contract are:
Number of days the employee has to be in the company, rank and pay.
The amount the employee needs to pay if they want quit the company before the contract runs out.
The amount the director needs to pay if they want to fire the employee. This is affected by a players efficiency. 1 star is always free for a director, 5 stars 100% and 6 stars 115%.
With 2, 3 and 4 stars at 20%, 50% and 80% respectfully.

Employees with contracts also get a small bonus to crime success rate due to the confidence of job security. =3

Anything set in the contract cannot be changed as long as it is valid
Contracts can be cancelled, extended or changed if both parties agree.
When companies go into abandoned mode, you will get your severance pay as long as there is enough money in the company bank for all contracted employees.

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Posted on Fri Aug 10, 2012 02:00:19
Honestly probably the best idea about companya so far

lets hope something will get done



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Posted on Fri Aug 10, 2012 02:06:57
Wow. amazing detail. Awesome ideas I can see torn with this feature!! Rated + for epicness

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Posted on Fri Aug 10, 2012 02:55:56
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Posted on Fri Aug 10, 2012 03:19:03
Well, my concern is the sheer randomness of workers within the company, staying above or below the median for a week seems pretty aggressive to me personally, I'm not sure what all is taken into consideration, if anything beyond gross profits as it stands now but I'd think keeping the mechanics somewhat stable would be a bit more welcomed. Perhaps if companies kept their job specials after unlocking them even if losing the rank then my reservations would be sated...I didn't see anything regarding that aspect of it.

I really like the New Company stuff, it'd be a really great addition alone.

The empty companies should be called something like "Business Fronts" where obviously there using other aspects of the company instead of it's intended purpose, I don't think though that should bully them into abandoned mode though although that aspect of having a place for these companies is more than welcomed imo.

I'm not too pr0 with math but it seems like the transistion to bankruptcy from abandoned has some probability of hurting the owner more than it just bankrupting the abandoned company after some time. Honestly though I'm not sure about that...

It'd be nice if the top manager had an opportunity, maybe a 48 hour window...to pay a certain amount such as 90% the cost of a new company to become the director and prevent a company from becoming abandoned instead...of course any money in the company at that time would be sent to an offshore account of the previous director to offset the benefits of doing so.

I really like the employee of the month and pay through efficiency ideas alot, really! but could efficacy go over 100% in relation to employee of the month and 100+ day employees? otherwise I wouldn't be willing to pay them 115%

I do love that contract idea

all in all, i think it's really good but I do have reservations about how aggressive this system seems, It seems like more dedication = more reward and I can never argue with that though so I'll R+

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Posted on Fri Aug 10, 2012 17:46:22
By The_Reputed [68232]
Well, my concern is the sheer randomness of workers within the company, staying above or below the median for a week seems pretty aggressive to me personally, I'm not sure what all is taken into consideration, if anything beyond gross profits as it stands now but I'd think keeping the mechanics somewhat stable would be a bit more welcomed. Perhaps if companies kept their job specials after unlocking them even if losing the rank then my reservations would be sated...I didn't see anything regarding that aspect of it.


Well with my idea it should give a people a real incentive to stay in a company and remain active. As that will be best for both director and employee. remember the idea is COMPETITIVE companies. It needs some challenge.

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The empty companies should be called something like "Business Fronts" where obviously there using other aspects of the company instead of it's intended purpose, I don't think though that should bully them into abandoned mode though although that aspect of having a place for these companies is more than welcomed imo.


Well, as I said its about making companies more competitive. any empty banking companies take away from that and would make t harder for people actually having their own company. if you just want to keep your money save get a vault or offshore account.

By The_Reputed [68232]
I'm not too pr0 with math but it seems like the transistion to bankruptcy from abandoned has some probability of hurting the owner more than it just bankrupting the abandoned company after some time. Honestly though I'm not sure about that...


Losing your company isn't hurting enough?
If you have alot in the company bank, you can stay in abandoned mode for a while but it will cost you.

By The_Reputed [68232]
It'd be nice if the top manager had an opportunity, maybe a 48 hour window...to pay a certain amount such as 90% the cost of a new company to become the director and prevent a company from becoming abandoned instead...of course any money in the company at that time would be sent to an offshore account of the previous director to offset the benefits of doing so.


Hmm, that could be a good idea. Though it shouldn't be THAT necessary. with 2 Managers a director can stay away for 6 weeks...

By The_Reputed [68232]
I really like the employee of the month and pay through efficiency ideas alot, really! but could efficacy go over 100% in relation to employee of the month and 100+ day employees? otherwise I wouldn't be willing to pay them 115%


Well as a director you KNOW it can go to 115% pay. So as long as you keep that in your mind when assigning pay it shouldn't be big of a deal...
And the 115% pay is only for the most dedicated and loyal of employees. and might even require a drug free employee...
Its just another incentive for employees not to just mess around if they want any decent pay rates.

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Posted on Fri Aug 10, 2012 17:57:00
lmao, hey Danny_, why steal my idea?


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Posted on Fri Aug 10, 2012 18:57:21
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lmao, hey Danny_, why steal my idea?


I didn't steal anything...
I have had this idea on my computer for a long time, thinking about it.
Its how I do all of my ideas, I think A LOT about it before I post it.

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Posted on Fri Aug 10, 2012 23:37:54
The last part of your suggestion was a complete simplified summary of what I said. you didn't think a LOT for that part did you?


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Posted on Fri Aug 10, 2012 23:41:34
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The last part of your suggestion was a complete simplified summary of what I said. you didn't think a LOT for that part did you?


As I said in your thread, I had been thinking about contracts myself...

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Posted on Fri Aug 10, 2012 23:42:19
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The last part of your suggestion was a complete simplified summary of what I said. you didn't think a LOT for that part did you?


As I said in your thread, I had been thinking about contracts myself...
Guess great minds think alike...

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Posted on Fri Aug 10, 2012 23:53:09
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As I said in your thread, I had been thinking about contracts myself...
Guess great minds think alike...


LOL, stop trying to butter me up.




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Posted on Sat Aug 11, 2012 05:16:17
Yeah I guess that's true about making it more competitive to keep it more sensible...actually you're right about most of it except the losing stars taking away job specials.

that's the only part that's really a detrimental to the idea since there's some companies like Cruises and unique item gain companies who's job specials make the company worth being apart of. With these companies being competitive to keep stars and profit is one thing, but limiting those unlocks and specials (not to mention job points which realistically should be up to the employees alone which is why i'm hesitant to mention it...) more so than they already are just for a bad week when the base profit isn't even the primary concern and doesn't effect the employees much at all.

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Posted on Sat Aug 11, 2012 08:43:41
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Yeah I guess that's true about making it more competitive to keep it more sensible...actually you're right about most of it except the losing stars taking away job specials.

that's the only part that's really a detrimental to the idea since there's some companies like Cruises and unique item gain companies who's job specials make the company worth being apart of. With these companies being competitive to keep stars and profit is one thing, but limiting those unlocks and specials (not to mention job points which realistically should be up to the employees alone which is why i'm hesitant to mention it...) more so than they already are just for a bad week when the base profit isn't even the primary concern and doesn't effect the employees much at all.


Well, I also kinda based this for in the event the 10 star companies come into play...
Which should make most companies still give most specials, even in 5 star companies. You should still have the the 1 star and 3 star specials, if you do any decent job of running the company.

Remember the job specials are a bonus you need to EARN...

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Posted on Sat Aug 11, 2012 08:56:02
Oh right right....I haven't kept up with that but read a mention of that...so i guess people would float at a good place if that were the case if its a week in a row of bottom half of the ratings...

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Posted on Sat Aug 11, 2012 09:00:35
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Oh right right....I haven't kept up with that but read a mention of that...so i guess people would float at a good place if that were the case if its a week in a row of bottom half of the ratings...


Though I'm interested to see what other people say about this... =3

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Posted on Mon Aug 13, 2012 01:20:30
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Posted on Tue Aug 14, 2012 15:16:13
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Posted on Tue Aug 14, 2012 17:31:22
Managers could misuse their ability and assign unproportionately high pay's to themselves or other employees to drain money out of the company(say, 10,000,000 a day). As a counter, the Director should also have an option to set a "Maximum Pay" limit which can not be crossed by either Manager or even the Director himself, incase of accidental typo's while changing employee pay's.

Overall, I think you've come up with a WONDERFUL idea! I'd give it R+. On a scale of 10, I'd rate your idea 8.5, the 1.5 indicating the complexity and difficulty in implementation of this idea into the game.

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Posted on Tue Aug 14, 2012 17:49:01
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Managers could misuse their ability and assign unproportionately high pay's to themselves or other employees to drain money out of the company(say, 10,000,000 a day). As a counter, the Director should also have an option to set a "Maximum Pay" limit which can not be crossed by either Manager or even the Director himself, incase of accidental typo's while changing employee pay's.

Overall, I think you've come up with a WONDERFUL idea! I'd give it R+. On a scale of 10, I'd rate your idea 8.5, the 1.5 indicating the complexity and difficulty in implementation of this idea into the game.

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Read better, managers can't adjust their own pay or rank...
Though a pay limit could be good too. =3

Also like Co-leaders in factions you should only make people you trust as managers

and thanks you like it.

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Posted on Thu Aug 16, 2012 13:43:00
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Posted on Fri Aug 17, 2012 00:55:32
What's to stop me as a promoted manager, from mailing a fellow employee and arranging a deal, where I pay him 1 billion as a wage out of the company bank, just before paytime if he split it with me?

One of the various flaws I found with this;- if I wasn't on mobile, I would go in depth of how many things could not work/unfair.

R-, the simplisty of companies make them easy to manage and easy to work for. This would cause a hell of allot of effort then its worth. Compeative, yes. Give employees nice bonus' but much more stress for the owners, may I remind you their is very little profit in companies, if not great loss.

Edit; clicked wrong thumbs up, got lucky this time, but I hate this idea with a vast passion, so you know.

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Posted on Fri Aug 17, 2012 01:15:37
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What's to stop me as a promoted manager, from mailing a fellow employee and arranging a deal, where I pay him 1 billion as a wage out of the company bank, just before paytime if he split it with me?

One of the various flaws I found with this;- if I wasn't on mobile, I would go in depth of how many things could not work/unfair.

R-, the simplisty of companies make them easy to manage and easy to work for. This would cause a hell of allot of effort then its worth. Compeative, yes. Give employees nice bonus' but much more stress for the owners, may I remind you their is very little profit in companies, if not great loss.

Edit; clicked wrong thumbs up, got lucky this time, but I hate this idea with a vast passion, so you know.


Well, as with co-leaders in factions you shouldn't just make anyone a manager...

I would love to see your in-depth thoughts when you get to a PC...

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Posted on Fri Aug 17, 2012 04:00:36
Rated + Cause something needs to be done about the mundane nature of the company system at the moment and because this is an excellent suggestion

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Posted on Sun Aug 19, 2012 17:43:31
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Posted on Fri Aug 24, 2012 15:02:12
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What's to stop me as a promoted manager, from mailing a fellow employee and arranging a deal, where I pay him 1 billion as a wage out of the company bank, just before paytime if he split it with me?

One of the various flaws I found with this;- if I wasn't on mobile, I would go in depth of how many things could not work/unfair.

R-, the simplisty of companies make them easy to manage and easy to work for. This would cause a hell of allot of effort then its worth. Compeative, yes. Give employees nice bonus' but much more stress for the owners, may I remind you their is very little profit in companies, if not great loss.

Edit; clicked wrong thumbs up, got lucky this time, but I hate this idea with a vast passion, so you know.


I still don't get why you don't like my competitive companies idea... Everyone else likes it.

You say that companies have more loss than profit, but is often because people pay their employees more then what they earn...

With my idea there would be in all likelihood less companies, so more customers for the remaining companies = more income for them.
And with less overall companies it would also mean more potential employees for the remaining companies.

Also with the advent at a possible 10 star company ranking system with extra bonuses it can possibly make the cheaper companies more desirable to work in... ^^

+ having a successful company should be worked hard for...

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Posted on Sun Sep 02, 2012 17:32:19
By the looks of it i think ched was going to implement this soon.
I clicked on one of my specials which is passive and i got this message:

This is a passive bonus that you're receiving while being in this company.
You'll keep this benefit while your company holds the required rating.

The second line "You'll keep this benefit while your company holds the required rating."
This could indicate that the rating may go down seeing as it says While your company holds the required rating...

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Posted on Sun Sep 02, 2012 21:18:38
Now lets hope the rest will be in as well =3

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Posted on Sun Sep 02, 2012 23:35:40
Brilliant detail, and to top it off.. It's a great idea. One of the best, if not the best idea I've heard for companies.

Props to you

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