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Posted on Mon Feb 20, 2012 20:38:37
love it

lol i was writing some long paragraph to say something against one of the special until i read it again

and relaised i was wrong lol

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Posted on Mon Feb 20, 2012 22:39:13
More rate +'s than posts, nice!

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Posted on Mon Feb 20, 2012 23:53:48
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More rate +'s than posts, nice!


I can spam bump posts if you want that changed lol

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Posted on Tue Feb 21, 2012 00:21:25
a well thought out idea and it sounds good!! + from me!
but with this surely merits would need to be reset again as it would change how people used them.

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Posted on Tue Feb 21, 2012 00:25:20
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a well thought out idea and it sounds good!! + from me!
but with this surely merits would need to be reset again as it would change how people used them.


doubtful as these bonuses are nice but would'nt necessarily be that significant to warrant a reset of merits

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Posted on Tue Feb 21, 2012 04:34:37
This will need a reset of merits as I would immediately max out certain things

I like the idea but maybe the bonuses are a bit too much?

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Posted on Tue Feb 21, 2012 06:00:06
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Posted on Tue Feb 21, 2012 07:39:31

While interesting, I have a couple of points. The idea is really adding bonuses to something that is already a bonus. Regardless of how many merits it takes to max out something, it is still a bonus that you have attained. I don't see that there needs to be bonuses for using bonuses.

The idea of a permanent loss of HP I don't like. If I wanted to lose hit points I would use drugs and OD a few times. It would also be rather unfair as there is at least one player who currently cannot be beaten (more likely a few because most that can don't attack each other).

While some of the other things are quite good suggestions, I think finding some other way for these things to be implemented would be more beneficial.

If there is some (as has been stated many times) that most do not find worthwhile to attain, then suggestions for these to be changed could be made instead of the addition of extra bonuses to all fields. Some of the ones that are not perceived as worthwhile now, don't seem to be any better after the suggestions. The +10min hosp time for example I would rather see as +1hr per merit increase. Adding an extra 10 hrs to someone's hospital time would then make it a beneficial way to punish scammers or anyone else you hold a grudge with.

And finally, there would be way too much bitching and whining and demands for merit resets than this would ever be worth. It has already started just by posting the suggestion


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Posted on Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:40:39
This is brilliant
I honestly support this , partly because I have two 10/10's , but also because going with the thread of torn, and no resets,
It's not massive but could give a slight edge, and encourage more thought over the use of merits
10/10 is a serious commitment, 55 merits and only a tiny amount are buyable , so it's nice n' sweet

The 10/10 awareness bonus( the first one), seems semi pointless unless it's for exclusive finds 24/7, or the finds to have an exclusive or rare quality( no lousy finds , say under $10,000 , instead of that more chances of artifacts etc)

The one drawback is we will get armies of noobies demanding easier gained merits or more buyable merits etc

Rate plus for you regardless


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Posted on Tue Feb 21, 2012 13:12:37
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Posted on Tue Feb 21, 2012 15:47:42
Awesome.


Hospitalizing - Increases time when hospitalizing people by +10 minutes
Bonus: Reduce life regeneration on a hospitalised target by 50% for the time they were hospitalised (So if they were hospitalised for 6 hours, their life regen would be half normal rate during this time)
Or
Bonus: Defeated opponents have 1 HP permanently lost


Losing 1 hp permanently is a bad idea.

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Posted on Tue Feb 21, 2012 17:02:58
I'm still sticking with the -1 HP idea there How many people are going to be upgrading 55 merits on those bonuses.. very few And 1 HP is nothing... To make any sort of difference it'd have to be thousands of attacks... and the BIG attackers are generally big chainers too... having their enemies in hospital longer is the last thing they'll want so I won't expect any of them to upgrade it :/
This is a cruel bonus that only a few people would want to spend that many merits in upgrading that would require equal cruelty and persistence in order to make any difference to any individual player, like destroying a faction. There are few ways in the game to 'make someone pay', this could be something that can achieve that.... But bear in mind too that these are just examples still.

Also, any change to the merit system warrants a reset... this goes without saying I haven't added this to my OP because my suggestion isn't 'I want a merit reset', it's 'Here is a change to the merit system' >.<

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Posted on Tue Feb 21, 2012 19:36:41
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Posted on Tue Feb 21, 2012 20:24:08
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While interesting, I have a couple of points. The idea is really adding bonuses to something that is already a bonus. Regardless of how many merits it takes to max out something, it is still a bonus that you have attained. I don't see that there needs to be bonuses for using bonuses.

The idea of a permanent loss of HP I don't like. If I wanted to lose hit points I would use drugs and OD a few times. It would also be rather unfair as there is at least one player who currently cannot be beaten (more likely a few because most that can don't attack each other).

While some of the other things are quite good suggestions, I think finding some other way for these things to be implemented would be more beneficial.

If there is some (as has been stated many times) that most do not find worthwhile to attain, then suggestions for these to be changed could be made instead of the addition of extra bonuses to all fields. Some of the ones that are not perceived as worthwhile now, don't seem to be any better after the suggestions. The +10min hosp time for example I would rather see as +1hr per merit increase. Adding an extra 10 hrs to someone's hospital time would then make it a beneficial way to punish scammers or anyone else you hold a grudge with.

And finally, there would be way too much bitching and whining and demands for merit resets than this would ever be worth. It has already started just by posting the suggestion


I am with her on this one ...

Dont really like the MASTER of machines guns submachine guns ?
Why?? we can take an education course , improve speed and things like that and the passive bonuses ? WHAT is that .... total waste of merits in my opinion...
The 1 merit 10 min hosp THAT is a total KROK!! more like 1 merit 1 hour!! That is fair we work so hard for these merits and for WHAT for 10 minutes extra in hosp OK 1 SFAK im out! OR SOME imaginary passive bonus to speed or defense?! no way .....

Just a suggestion
How about you implement a system that YOU can upgrade certain things Only when you reach a threshold. In example Like we do with missions we need a certain level to start them SO same system a certain level or anything really (threshold) to start this upgrade..
Could be anything :
>LIKE +5% $$ gain from crimes !!!
Or +10% money gain on company profits ( well many will not agree with this BUT OIL riggers WOULD!!)
And how in turn would you take this money OUT well there are tons of things to spend $$ on especial if you are a director of like a TV network or Oil Rig. Plus extra cash on crimes will give new players something to look forward to
WHY DO YOU THINK many of them GIVE UP and or start begging/quit


Hope you guys rad this



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Posted on Wed Feb 22, 2012 00:24:03

No matter what changes to the merit system, there should never be a merit reset.


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Posted on Wed Feb 22, 2012 00:35:30
By LeukyBear [83808]

No matter what changes to the merit system, there should never be a merit reset.


happened once Human.
Whats to say it will not happen again?

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Posted on Wed Feb 22, 2012 02:14:58

It has happened more than once.. and it should never of happened.


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Posted on Wed Feb 22, 2012 09:38:41
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By LeukyBear [83808]

While interesting, I have a couple of points. The idea is really adding bonuses to something that is already a bonus. Regardless of how many merits it takes to max out something, it is still a bonus that you have attained. I don't see that there needs to be bonuses for using bonuses.

The idea of a permanent loss of HP I don't like. If I wanted to lose hit points I would use drugs and OD a few times. It would also be rather unfair as there is at least one player who currently cannot be beaten (more likely a few because most that can don't attack each other).

While some of the other things are quite good suggestions, I think finding some other way for these things to be implemented would be more beneficial.

If there is some (as has been stated many times) that most do not find worthwhile to attain, then suggestions for these to be changed could be made instead of the addition of extra bonuses to all fields. Some of the ones that are not perceived as worthwhile now, don't seem to be any better after the suggestions. The +10min hosp time for example I would rather see as +1hr per merit increase. Adding an extra 10 hrs to someone's hospital time would then make it a beneficial way to punish scammers or anyone else you hold a grudge with.

And finally, there would be way too much bitching and whining and demands for merit resets than this would ever be worth. It has already started just by posting the suggestion


I am with her on this one ...

Dont really like the MASTER of machines guns submachine guns ?
Why?? we can take an education course , improve speed and things like that and the passive bonuses ? WHAT is that .... total waste of merits in my opinion...
The 1 merit 10 min hosp THAT is a total KROK!! more like 1 merit 1 hour!! That is fair we work so hard for these merits and for WHAT for 10 minutes extra in hosp OK 1 SFAK im out! OR SOME imaginary passive bonus to speed or defense?! no way .....

Just a suggestion
How about you implement a system that YOU can upgrade certain things Only when you reach a threshold. In example Like we do with missions we need a certain level to start them SO same system a certain level or anything really (threshold) to start this upgrade..
Could be anything :
>LIKE +5% $$ gain from crimes !!!
Or +10% money gain on company profits ( well many will not agree with this BUT OIL riggers WOULD!!)
And how in turn would you take this money OUT well there are tons of things to spend $$ on especial if you are a director of like a TV network or Oil Rig. Plus extra cash on crimes will give new players something to look forward to
WHY DO YOU THINK many of them GIVE UP and or start begging/quit


Hope you guys rad this



I've already given a bonus for increases in crime cash, as for company profits... you can already upgrade this with education and stock benefits... I wanted to try and offer something with unique upgrades (as best I could)

You've clearly misunderstood the entire point of the suggestion anyway, I can see that some merit upgrades aren't worth it, hence the system of 'bonuses' that I am suggesting.

What is the point in bitching and whining about the merit system's current upgrades in a suggestions thread that isn't suggesting new places to spend merits... nor is it the thread that created those... Seriously... -_- Think and read the OP before posting... you just don't make any sense... You're suggesting completely unrelated crap... go make your own thread for that...

You also don't understand newbies >.<

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Posted on Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:09:24
I like it a lot of hard work gone into it, as you say a major update but the merits system probably needs it.

+ Like: Would make it worth spending 19 merits on the last two upgrades (not worth it now imho).

- Dislike: Gives even more advantages to older established players with lots of merits, therefore making it more difficult for newer players to catch up.

Rated +



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Posted on Wed Feb 22, 2012 14:01:42
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By LeukyBear [83808]

While interesting, I have a couple of points. The idea is really adding bonuses to something that is already a bonus. Regardless of how many merits it takes to max out something, it is still a bonus that you have attained. I don't see that there needs to be bonuses for using bonuses.

The idea of a permanent loss of HP I don't like. If I wanted to lose hit points I would use drugs and OD a few times. It would also be rather unfair as there is at least one player who currently cannot be beaten (more likely a few because most that can don't attack each other).

While some of the other things are quite good suggestions, I think finding some other way for these things to be implemented would be more beneficial.

If there is some (as has been stated many times) that most do not find worthwhile to attain, then suggestions for these to be changed could be made instead of the addition of extra bonuses to all fields. Some of the ones that are not perceived as worthwhile now, don't seem to be any better after the suggestions. The +10min hosp time for example I would rather see as +1hr per merit increase. Adding an extra 10 hrs to someone's hospital time would then make it a beneficial way to punish scammers or anyone else you hold a grudge with.

And finally, there would be way too much bitching and whining and demands for merit resets than this would ever be worth. It has already started just by posting the suggestion


I am with her on this one ...

Dont really like the MASTER of machines guns submachine guns ?
Why?? we can take an education course , improve speed and things like that and the passive bonuses ? WHAT is that .... total waste of merits in my opinion...
The 1 merit 10 min hosp THAT is a total KROK!! more like 1 merit 1 hour!! That is fair we work so hard for these merits and for WHAT for 10 minutes extra in hosp OK 1 SFAK im out! OR SOME imaginary passive bonus to speed or defense?! no way .....

Just a suggestion
How about you implement a system that YOU can upgrade certain things Only when you reach a threshold. In example Like we do with missions we need a certain level to start them SO same system a certain level or anything really (threshold) to start this upgrade..
Could be anything :
>LIKE +5% $$ gain from crimes !!!
Or +10% money gain on company profits ( well many will not agree with this BUT OIL riggers WOULD!!)
And how in turn would you take this money OUT well there are tons of things to spend $$ on especial if you are a director of like a TV network or Oil Rig. Plus extra cash on crimes will give new players something to look forward to
WHY DO YOU THINK many of them GIVE UP and or start begging/quit


Hope you guys rad this



I've already given a bonus for increases in crime cash, as for company profits... you can already upgrade this with education and stock benefits... I wanted to try and offer something with unique upgrades (as best I could)

You've clearly misunderstood the entire point of the suggestion anyway, I can see that some merit upgrades aren't worth it, hence the system of 'bonuses' that I am suggesting.

What is the point in bitching and whining about the merit system's current upgrades in a suggestions thread that isn't suggesting new places to spend merits... nor is it the thread that created those... Seriously... -_- Think and read the OP before posting... you just don't make any sense... You're suggesting completely unrelated crap... go make your own thread for that...

You also don't understand newbies >.<



You are right!... and for that i salute you

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Posted on Wed Feb 22, 2012 14:27:45
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- Dislike: Gives even more advantages to older established players with lots of merits, therefore making it more difficult for newer players to catch up.


Yeah, unfortunately this was one of the only downsides that I foresaw and cannot really deal with in this system, which is a shame... Ideally I'd like to have the suggestion as balanced as possible for everyone... but it's just not possible with a suggestion of this nature.

Although more updates are needed that are older player specific, and would certainly give newbies something to aim for (hopefully increasing player retention), this is how I justify that thought

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Posted on Thu Feb 23, 2012 14:21:51
Bring
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Posted on Thu Feb 23, 2012 23:43:12
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Bring
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Go bogie, I love this idea!!

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Posted on Sat Feb 25, 2012 23:14:11
Bring
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Posted on Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:50:41
By LeukyBear [83808]

No matter what changes to the merit system, there should never be a merit reset.



Did not know you were an idiot leuky

when the new merit spending system was introduced I put merits into passive first and did not spend points on nerve/bank interest because it was not worth it

this especially applies to top guys who earned and spent a lot of merits into things that might become less useful with new merit system

so according to you we must never spend any merits because if any changes occur we will not have a reset


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Posted on Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:39:58
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No matter what changes to the merit system, there should never be a merit reset.



Did not know you were an idiot leuky

when the new merit spending system was introduced I put merits into passive first and did not spend points on nerve/bank interest because it was not worth it

this especially applies to top guys who earned and spent a lot of merits into things that might become less useful with new merit system

so according to you we must never spend any merits because if any changes occur we will not have a reset


If it wasn't for the fact that I spend my time being an idiot, I would be able to point out to you that you are fully capable of earning more merits to use again as you choose. Pretty much like the first time you used them.

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Posted on Wed Feb 29, 2012 05:49:59
By LeukyBear [83808]
By Kakir [918327]
By LeukyBear [83808]

No matter what changes to the merit system, there should never be a merit reset.



Did not know you were an idiot leuky

when the new merit spending system was introduced I put merits into passive first and did not spend points on nerve/bank interest because it was not worth it

this especially applies to top guys who earned and spent a lot of merits into things that might become less useful with new merit system

so according to you we must never spend any merits because if any changes occur we will not have a reset


If it wasn't for the fact that I spend my time being an idiot, I would be able to point out to you that you are fully capable of earning more merits to use again as you choose. Pretty much like the first time you used them.


but certain merit upgrades become a waste like bank and nerve[this is my personal opinion others may find them useful] so the merits i put into them are a waste,i cannot earn unlimited merits

as of now i have to spend 400+ merits on things apart from nerve and bank[which i doubt i will ever get] and then maybe spend some on them so if i like spent 10 merits on them that gives me 10 less merits to use like i sold 10 merits or something
so i want a reset because i am not really good at getting merits


now on topic

I read them properly and found them to be good
so rated +

I actually forgot that unlike ideal assumptions it would be tough to max out many in real conditions

I don't think anyone will EVER go beyond 8 maxed out merits[it is 5 for now i guess or less]





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Posted on Wed Feb 29, 2012 15:06:24
Great idea R+

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Posted on Sat Mar 03, 2012 13:57:13
Bump

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Posted on Sat Mar 03, 2012 14:40:12
I like the idea.. but to be fair, I think the merits would have to be able to be reallocated. R+

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