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Posted on Tue Nov 23, 2010 14:55:45
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Posted on Tue Nov 23, 2010 15:02:19
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Wait sorry but the MG-42 used to be considered as heavy artillery back in WW2.... It also uses 7.92x57mm Mauser....

Where as the M249 uses 5.56x45 mm NATO which is a lower caliber... so re think the stats!


The damage is not totally based upon cartridge size and if you'd notice the MG42 has horrible stats compared to the others.

As to your artillery comment i have no f**king clue how you got the idea that an MG-42 can be artillery when its only designed to be a general purpose machine gun for line defense/offense for troops. Besides the M249 has a higher a much higher muzzle velocity and uses a smaller round and still has more knockdown power than the MG-42 because of the MG-42 having a much lower muzzle velocity.


When It was first made it was considered as heavy artillery by the enemy, well the ally the enemy of the germans. It was the fastest loudest and largest machine gun that had been made up to that time.... They obviously improved size... I know its not artillery <.<

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Posted on Tue Nov 23, 2010 22:12:41
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Wait sorry but the MG-42 used to be considered as heavy artillery back in WW2.... It also uses 7.92x57mm Mauser....

Where as the M249 uses 5.56x45 mm NATO which is a lower caliber... so re think the stats!


The damage is not totally based upon cartridge size and if you'd notice the MG42 has horrible stats compared to the others.

As to your artillery comment i have no f**king clue how you got the idea that an MG-42 can be artillery when its only designed to be a general purpose machine gun for line defense/offense for troops. Besides the M249 has a higher a much higher muzzle velocity and uses a smaller round and still has more knockdown power than the MG-42 because of the MG-42 having a much lower muzzle velocity.


When It was first made it was considered as heavy artillery by the enemy, well the ally the enemy of the germans. It was the fastest loudest and largest machine gun that had been made up to that time.... They obviously improved size... I know its not artillery <.<


Well anyways the fact remains that the MG42 is a great MG but not that efficient of a weapon.

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Posted on Tue Nov 23, 2010 22:19:27
Now that I've had a good look at it, it seems to be a good suggestion; yes we do need more machine guns as we only have one! Nice graphic work too, but when it comes to it the stats should be changed a bit...

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Posted on Wed Nov 24, 2010 00:38:32
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Now that I've had a good look at it, it seems to be a good suggestion; yes we do need more machine guns as we only have one! Nice graphic work too, but when it comes to it the stats should be changed a bit...

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Any suggestions on the stat changes? because i already lowered the power and accuracy of the PKM and lowered the rate of fire and slightly decreased the damage for the M1919 Browning.

I'll probably lower the damage on the MG42 a little bit as my next change.

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Posted on Wed Nov 24, 2010 02:50:04
While your on the mg's, add in some new scoped rifles. The Barrett, ebr, ssr mcmillan etc. Awesome idea. Def need more mg's

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Posted on Wed Nov 24, 2010 07:27:18
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While your on the mg's, add in some new scoped rifles. The Barrett, ebr, ssr mcmillan etc. Awesome idea. Def need more mg's


Waaaaay ahead of you;)

I'm currently looking at some more weapons including scoped rifles and also some new weapons for the mechanical class seeing as there is only the Chainsaw and Tazer for that group of weapons. It will probably be a few days before i post them seeing as I'll be busy for the next two days:*

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Posted on Wed Nov 24, 2010 18:15:08
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Posted on Thu Nov 25, 2010 06:17:43
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Posted on Thu Nov 25, 2010 19:12:08
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Posted on Thu Nov 25, 2010 19:58:34
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Wait sorry but the MG-42 used to be considered as heavy artillery back in WW2.... It also uses 7.92x57mm Mauser....

Where as the M249 uses 5.56x45 mm NATO which is a lower caliber... so re think the stats!


The damage is not totally based upon cartridge size and if you'd notice the MG42 has horrible stats compared to the others.

As to your artillery comment i have no f**king clue how you got the idea that an MG-42 can be artillery when its only designed to be a general purpose machine gun for line defense/offense for troops. Besides the M249 has a higher a much higher muzzle velocity and uses a smaller round and still has more knockdown power than the MG-42 because of the MG-42 having a much lower muzzle velocity.


Oh lord my brain hurts just reading that.

1: there is no such thing as "knockdown power". No conventional cartridge will physically knock a human being down on impact. Remember, ever action has an equal reaction. If a firearm were going to knock down it starget it would also knock down the person firing it.

2: muzzle velocity isn't all that matters. 5.56mm NATO out of an FN Minimi travels at about 3000fps and produces about 1800 ft-lbs or energy, whereas 8mm Mauser out of an MG42 travels at 2500fps and produces 4000ft-lbs of energy.

As you can see the muzzle velocity isn't that different. The energy produced, however, is. Seeing as 5.56mm was devised as a light intermediate cartridge and 8mm Mauser is an old-school full-power rifle cartridge it should be no wonder that it's much more powerful.

3: am I wrong in assuming you get most of your firearms knowledge from video games? Most games I've seen that have both the Minimi and MG42 make the MG42 do very little damage to make up for its high rate of fire. That would certainly explain why you think the MG42 was weaker than the Minimi.

In case you don't know, real life is not "balanced". The MG42 is more accurate, more powerful and fires faster than a Minimi in real life. The reason it's rarely used anymore (by anyone but the Germans at least, who nerfed the cyclic rate and rechambered it for 7.62 NATO) is because such a high ROF isn't practical and the weapon itself is entirely too heavy.

Edit: sorry if I sound harsh, I don't mean to. I'm just a bit of a gun geek. Blame it on my father and boyfriend.

It really doesn't matter what the stats are in Torn. The rest of the weapons are nowhere near realistic either. Just balance them out as best you can and enjoy. Torn is meant to be fun, not a lifelike simulation.

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Posted on Thu Nov 25, 2010 20:05:01
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Wait sorry but the MG-42 used to be considered as heavy artillery back in WW2.... It also uses 7.92x57mm Mauser....

Where as the M249 uses 5.56x45 mm NATO which is a lower caliber... so re think the stats!


The damage is not totally based upon cartridge size and if you'd notice the MG42 has horrible stats compared to the others.

As to your artillery comment i have no f**king clue how you got the idea that an MG-42 can be artillery when its only designed to be a general purpose machine gun for line defense/offense for troops. Besides the M249 has a higher a much higher muzzle velocity and uses a smaller round and still has more knockdown power than the MG-42 because of the MG-42 having a much lower muzzle velocity.


Oh lord my brain hurts just reading that.


I'm no longer going to discuss gun statistics so unless you're going to talk about the addition of the guns or mention any possible tweaks to their stats then please go away:s

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Posted on Thu Nov 25, 2010 20:10:31
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I'm no longer going to discuss gun statistics so unless you're going to talk about the addition of the guns or mention any possible tweaks to their stats then please go away:s


Fair enough. If I knew that I wouldn't have bothered typing all that out.

How about some Canadian weapons? The C6 GPMG and C9A1 LMG would be cool.

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Posted on Thu Nov 25, 2010 20:13:49
With this beig about machine guns i just had too

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Posted on Thu Nov 25, 2010 20:16:28
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I'm no longer going to discuss gun statistics so unless you're going to talk about the addition of the guns or mention any possible tweaks to their stats then please go away:s


Fair enough. If I knew that I wouldn't have bothered typing all that out.

How about some Canadian weapons? The C6 GPMG and C9A1 LMG would be cool.

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Never heard of those but I'll look into them later and check them out, that C6 GPMG reminds me a lot of the Chinese Type 67

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Posted on Thu Nov 25, 2010 20:17:36
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1: there is no such thing as "knockdown power". No conventional cartridge will physically knock a human being down on impact. Remember, ever action has an equal reaction. If a firearm were going to knock down it starget it would also knock down the person firing it.


the "knockdown" power he is talking about is the stopping power of the round... larger rounds obviously have less penetration and more impact.. while a 9mm can penetrate a person and do still damage to the next, a 45 will cause much greater wound on a person, even if it does not have the same piercing power.. therefore the higher caliber round clearly has more stopping/knockdown power...


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Posted on Thu Nov 25, 2010 20:26:40
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Never heard of those but I'll look into them later and check them out, that C6 GPMG reminds me a lot of the Chinese Type 67


Well the C6 is an FN MAG. The Type 67 is a mish-mash of Belgian and Russian designs (think FN MAG/PKM/RPK). The Chinese aren't very original.

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the "knockdown" power he is talking about is the stopping power of the round... larger rounds obviously have less penetration and more impact.. while a 9mm can penetrate a person and do still damage to the next, a 45 will cause much greater wound on a person, even if it does not have the same piercing power.. therefore the higher caliber round clearly has more stopping/knockdown power...


"Stopping power" is also a myth. Any respected firearms expert, terminal ballistics expert, ME or pathologist can tell you that.

Statistically speaking, 9x19mm and .45 Auto have very similar rates of one-shot stops in human subjects. 10mm Auto and .357 Magnum both perform much better than .45 Auto despite using smaller, lighter bullets. The size of the bullet isn't the end-all and be-all of terminal ballistics.

I don't want to get into a big geeky debate in someone else's thread. The bottom line is that terminal ballistics is a very complex field and you can't simplify cartridge performance by comparing "stopping power". Oh if only it were that easy...

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Posted on Thu Nov 25, 2010 20:31:31
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Posted on Thu Nov 25, 2010 20:47:58
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Sorry.

My boyfriend said you could add in a Chauchat as a bottom of the line machine gun. They're terribly innaccurate, unreliable and slow-firing but they look cool. Apparently they're the laughing stock of the MG world.

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Posted on Thu Nov 25, 2010 20:56:00
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...this game needs more than 1 machine gun


Agreed. Although I don't like the stats on the PKM however realistic they may be, I like the idea of more machine guns.

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care to elaborate on your opinion of the stats?

because the PKM is a really accurate weapon but not known for a very good rate of fire or killing power. More or less its known for being a reliable, simple, cheap ass MG lol



i think you need a machine gun for dubai. not super high priced but maybe 900m or so.


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btw i know you hate using others screenshots this is just to give you an idea


this is nice! but just for the hell of it you should add some armor to thisxD

like the suggestion R+


hell just seeing someone carrying that thing around would make me choose another victim

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Posted on Thu Nov 25, 2010 22:21:09
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Sorry.

My boyfriend said you could add in a Chauchat as a bottom of the line machine gun. They're terribly innaccurate, unreliable and slow-firing but they look cool. Apparently they're the laughing stock of the MG world.

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Well it wasn't nicknamed the ShowShit for nothing. If you tried to Show it to someone they would think its just a worthless peice of Shit because you could never use another chuachat for spare parts to repair a broken one due to the fact none of the parts were interchangable between guns even though its the same model.

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Posted on Fri Nov 26, 2010 09:03:44
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Posted on Fri Nov 26, 2010 12:47:50
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Posted on Fri Nov 26, 2010 17:23:20
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Thanks Punkeh

hopefully later on today if i feel like it i may get into adding some mechanical weapons to my suggestion seeing as that class is the second smallest.

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Posted on Sat Nov 27, 2010 01:01:13
BUMP and thread is now updated with new weapons so please let me know if you think the prices are too high/low or if the stats are not balanced;)


Sat Nov 27, 2010 00:57:29.........Machinery Weapons added to the suggestion with 2 weapons suggested by me.

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Posted on Sat Nov 27, 2010 01:07:08
Top thread. Rated +

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Posted on Sat Nov 27, 2010 01:11:14
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Never heard of those but I'll look into them later and check them out, that C6 GPMG reminds me a lot of the Chinese Type 67


Well the C6 is an FN MAG. The Type 67 is a mish-mash of Belgian and Russian designs (think FN MAG/PKM/RPK). The Chinese aren't very original.

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the "knockdown" power he is talking about is the stopping power of the round... larger rounds obviously have less penetration and more impact.. while a 9mm can penetrate a person and do still damage to the next, a 45 will cause much greater wound on a person, even if it does not have the same piercing power.. therefore the higher caliber round clearly has more stopping/knockdown power...


"Stopping power" is also a myth. Any respected firearms expert, terminal ballistics expert, ME or pathologist can tell you that.

Statistically speaking, 9x19mm and .45 Auto have very similar rates of one-shot stops in human subjects. 10mm Auto and .357 Magnum both perform much better than .45 Auto despite using smaller, lighter bullets. The size of the bullet isn't the end-all and be-all of terminal ballistics.

I don't want to get into a big geeky debate in someone else's thread. The bottom line is that terminal ballistics is a very complex field and you can't simplify cartridge performance by comparing "stopping power". Oh if only it were that easy...


you are the FIRST low level player to say something intellectual!

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Posted on Sat Nov 27, 2010 01:13:50
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Never heard of those but I'll look into them later and check them out, that C6 GPMG reminds me a lot of the Chinese Type 67


Well the C6 is an FN MAG. The Type 67 is a mish-mash of Belgian and Russian designs (think FN MAG/PKM/RPK). The Chinese aren't very original.

By UpRisen [309905]

the "knockdown" power he is talking about is the stopping power of the round... larger rounds obviously have less penetration and more impact.. while a 9mm can penetrate a person and do still damage to the next, a 45 will cause much greater wound on a person, even if it does not have the same piercing power.. therefore the higher caliber round clearly has more stopping/knockdown power...


"Stopping power" is also a myth. Any respected firearms expert, terminal ballistics expert, ME or pathologist can tell you that.

Statistically speaking, 9x19mm and .45 Auto have very similar rates of one-shot stops in human subjects. 10mm Auto and .357 Magnum both perform much better than .45 Auto despite using smaller, lighter bullets. The size of the bullet isn't the end-all and be-all of terminal ballistics.

I don't want to get into a big geeky debate in someone else's thread. The bottom line is that terminal ballistics is a very complex field and you can't simplify cartridge performance by comparing "stopping power". Oh if only it were that easy...


you are the FIRST low level player to say something intellectual!


I forsee a great TC player in the makingxD



BTW thanks for the R+ Lonestar

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Posted on Sat Nov 27, 2010 01:59:35
Gungrave, I'm liking the new saws. Looks like they could be lots of messy fun.

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you are the FIRST low level player to say something intellectual!


Thank you much

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Posted on Sat Nov 27, 2010 02:11:18
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Gungrave, I'm liking the new saws. Looks like they could be lots of messy fun.

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you are the FIRST low level player to say something intellectual!


Thank you much


I was gonna add more but kind of hard to think about what weapons can be used. I'm trying to think of weapons people can pick up and wield to where it won't be touching the ground.

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