Forums
First  << 1  2  3  4  5 >>  Last
Forum Main>>Non Related>>Politics & Law>> States are opting to secede from the USA?
Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
Fujiko

ID: 341315
Level: 55
Posts: 6418
Score: 4858
Fujiko [341315]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Fri Dec 06, 2013 01:16:36
By Hades [1728299]
I have to agree with you there Jennifer.
Texas pays 2 dollar in taxes to the US for everyone 1 they receive. Its one of the state's that would make it on. It's own financially.


Finance yes, but also resources. Texas produces enough food for Texas. Texas produces enough energy for Texas. With the diverse landscapes and economy of Texas, we have no need of the U.S. for anything.

Make mine freedom (cartoon reference, youtube it, watch it).

By TedThomas [887131]
Wanting to abandon the country and start your own with your own country because you dont like it is pretty much the definition of traitor, sorry to break it to you.


30114691.jpg


Texas was its own country before, and should be again. Sure, I'll tell you.
There's even a song about it. Read the lyrics, and see the mindset of Texans...



Glad TedThomas approves the secession. I don't always agree with Austin, but I agree with 'em a hell of a lot more than I do Washington!

Last Edited: Fri Dec 06, 2013 03:11:22
189becd3-7317-bbf6-341315.gif
Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
Ebony
ID: 1481869
Level: 28
Posts: 276
Score: 206
Ebony [1481869]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Fri Dec 06, 2013 01:22:24
But money is everything. The federal reserve has been printing trillions of dollars, bailing out all their rich friends and destroying the dollar. The US government has been irresponsibly spending without end, creating massive amounts of debt, which we will be forced to foot the bill. Again, money is everything. It isn't just a simple, shallow concept like you would think of some angry drunks killing each other over a $20 dispute. Our dollar is our livelihood.

The crazy spending and taxes we experience are just another form of theft and slavery. As is the inflation. With such a high amount of inflation (10% annually, despite what the government propaganda says) no one can save up their money anymore without having all its value eroded away within short order. And the only way for people to try to preserve the value of the money that they earned is to invest in riskier things.... but time and again, these fail, and millions of people lose their life savings.

The control of money is everything, and the elite who run this country from the shadows have been ruthlessly exploiting it, stealing from the populace, for their own benefit.

Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
Hades

ID: 1728299
Level: 35
Posts: 4585
Score: 2846
LODHades [1728299]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Fri Dec 06, 2013 05:47:09
Standing ovation. ^

2mr8sav.png
Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
CravenTHC

ID: 1569996
Level: 55
Posts: 3176
Score: 2758
drnkCravenTHC [1569996]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Fri Dec 06, 2013 05:58:57
By scorch2 [1484059]
Just out of curiosity, are any of the states wishing to back out of the union happen to be one of the original thirteen colonies?


This story is over a year old, but the answer to your question is yes.

Georgia
South Carolina
North Carolina
New Jersey
New York

All were part of the original 13 colonies that founded this nation.

By JenniferCollins [341315]
Finance yes, but also resources. Texas produces enough food for Texas. Texas produces enough energy for Texas. With the diverse landscapes and economy of Texas, we have no need of the U.S. for anything.

Make mine freedom (cartoon reference, youtube it, watch it).


Texas is home to one of the largest green energy farms in the entire world. We're the ONLY state (in the lower 48) that is entirely self sufficient when it comes to energy. There are three major energy grids here, the East, the West, and Texas.

Last Edited: Fri Dec 06, 2013 06:02:01
1995b124-a670-4052-9786-2aa6509e1af4_zps

By: Yoshihiro [1244536]
Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
IN_COLD_BLOOD

ID: 1613784
Level: 36
Posts: 940
Score: 517
JFAIN_COLD_BLOOD [1613784]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Fri Dec 06, 2013 07:18:57
Oh great - another civil war.

16igwy.png
Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
TedThomas

ID: 887131
Level: 55
Posts: 21397
Score: 15959
{CI}TedThomas [887131]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Fri Dec 06, 2013 07:37:11
By CravenTHC [1569996]
By TedThomas [887131]
By Lt_Wolf [73234]
By TedThomas [887131]
Let the traitors leave. Good riddance...


"Traitors". You really are delusional.


Wanting to abandon the country and start your own with your own country because you dont like it is pretty much the definition of traitor, sorry to break it to you.


Yes Ted that would make us patriots to the true American constitution. I'm not sure if you're aware, but the office of the President has a history of sidestepping the constitution for the past 100 years or so. Congress has also had a hand in this, and I'm sure there are at least a few cases of judiciary misconduct in that time period as well. To me that is the most egregious since the Supreme Court are the ones that are supposed to be interpreting the constitution and holding the other branches responsible for their actions.

If anything the US government has been on a downward spiral of self interest since the 1930s. The people of this nation have most certainly lost control of the government, and if you've got a better solution then feel free to volunteer it. As I see it the time for pleasantries has come and gone. We can't sit back and hope that the new democrat or republican is going to turn things around. Especially if we observe only the last two presidents we can easily see that neither party is interested in what the people want. There are too many special interest groups, too many advocates and lobbyists, too many shady envelopes with hidden agendas. Major overhaul has to happen, and the corporate elite aren't going to let it happen through politics alone.

The time for petty sympathies is over, and if the only way we can send a message is through secession then so be it. There are more than a handful of states that would gladly join my home state in the formation of a new country. Some of them aren't exactly allies that I would want, but economically speaking it would be in our best interest. However I do agree with Steve in that the best course of action is simply overthrowing them. Oust them and start fresh. Nobody has to die over this as long as they step down peacefully. You shouldn't be surprised though if you start seeing riots akin to those that were popular during the "Arab Spring" in Egypt.



So patriotic to the constitution that you want to break ties with it because you have no desire to try to fix the problem and create your own separate constitution, bypassing the democratic process the actual constitution set up. Now thats funny.

You are right, time for sympathy is over. See ya later traitors, dont let the door hit you on the way out.

DSCN0726banner1_zpse9bade3d.jpg
Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
HarshLife

ID: 443611
Level: 47
Posts: 898
Score: 789
NOVAHarshLife [443611]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Fri Dec 06, 2013 07:43:34
People will always want someone to blame.

We were all quite happy to allow frivolous spending during the economic boom.
Now that the economy is looking on the dire side, people point fingers and stamp their feet.

Unity means a shared synergistic approach.
You pay more Tax? Damn. But without that same tax you wouldnt be able to support a military.

If you dont want to pay as much in taxes, move to abandon the military. It makes more sense than secession and in both cases (military abandonment and secession) you're left to fend for yourself with only a fraction of the armed forces you have now.

tornantiscam.jpg

No but seriously.. Say No to legalised scamming, Its just logical.
Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
Ebony
ID: 1481869
Level: 28
Posts: 276
Score: 206
Ebony [1481869]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Fri Dec 06, 2013 08:43:06
It's not just during an economic boom that there's been more spending. Wouldn't really call the period Bush presided over a boom - more like a bubble. And Obama's spending has only increased more during this depression, which actually hasn't recovered at all.

Yes, we should move towards ending the wars, but the establishment will see none of that. They will continue their psyops and meddling in foreign countries, with intent to frame legitimate governments and destabilize the entire region.

The Americans tire of war, and have been electing presidents that claimed they would strive for peaceful policies, but have only been getting war. The congress is no different; most choices Americans have are between the two political gangs that, in the end, are controlled by the establishment and will continue to create wars. Any other alternatives that do actually promise change are usually quashed.

The main reason to secede, I think, is because the corruption is so deep, there is no other way to get our country back from the money powers.

Last Edited: Fri Dec 06, 2013 08:44:19
Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
CravenTHC

ID: 1569996
Level: 55
Posts: 3176
Score: 2758
drnkCravenTHC [1569996]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Fri Dec 06, 2013 09:43:48
By TedThomas [887131]
By CravenTHC [1569996]
By TedThomas [887131]
By Lt_Wolf [73234]
By TedThomas [887131]
Let the traitors leave. Good riddance...


"Traitors". You really are delusional.


Wanting to abandon the country and start your own with your own country because you dont like it is pretty much the definition of traitor, sorry to break it to you.


Yes Ted that would make us patriots to the true American constitution. I'm not sure if you're aware, but the office of the President has a history of sidestepping the constitution for the past 100 years or so. Congress has also had a hand in this, and I'm sure there are at least a few cases of judiciary misconduct in that time period as well. To me that is the most egregious since the Supreme Court are the ones that are supposed to be interpreting the constitution and holding the other branches responsible for their actions.

If anything the US government has been on a downward spiral of self interest since the 1930s. The people of this nation have most certainly lost control of the government, and if you've got a better solution then feel free to volunteer it. As I see it the time for pleasantries has come and gone. We can't sit back and hope that the new democrat or republican is going to turn things around. Especially if we observe only the last two presidents we can easily see that neither party is interested in what the people want. There are too many special interest groups, too many advocates and lobbyists, too many shady envelopes with hidden agendas. Major overhaul has to happen, and the corporate elite aren't going to let it happen through politics alone.

The time for petty sympathies is over, and if the only way we can send a message is through secession then so be it. There are more than a handful of states that would gladly join my home state in the formation of a new country. Some of them aren't exactly allies that I would want, but economically speaking it would be in our best interest. However I do agree with Steve in that the best course of action is simply overthrowing them. Oust them and start fresh. Nobody has to die over this as long as they step down peacefully. You shouldn't be surprised though if you start seeing riots akin to those that were popular during the "Arab Spring" in Egypt.



So patriotic to the constitution that you want to break ties with it because you have no desire to try to fix the problem and create your own separate constitution, bypassing the democratic process the actual constitution set up. Now thats funny.

You are right, time for sympathy is over. See ya later traitors, dont let the door hit you on the way out.


The democratic process was bypassed decades ago, as I have already pointed out. The people no longer have any say. Since the constitution clearly means nothing to the politicians in Washington then yes I would suggest that it is the epitome of patriotism to cut ties with the federal government. Clearly they have already cut ties with the constitution, so what good do you really think it is now?

A patriot is someone that's not afraid to question the motives and mechanisms of his/her government, not someone that is willing to blindly fall in line with the commandments of those in power. That's what a statist does. We patriots have been questioning the motives of the POTUS and other branches for years now, clearly they are not listening. So if secession is the only means by which we will make them listen then so be it.

1995b124-a670-4052-9786-2aa6509e1af4_zps

By: Yoshihiro [1244536]
Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
TedThomas

ID: 887131
Level: 55
Posts: 21397
Score: 15959
{CI}TedThomas [887131]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Fri Dec 06, 2013 15:22:28
Well one way to fix that would be to add an amendment to the constitution saying money is not speech, and corporations are not people in order to get the money out of the political process. You see ACTUAL patriots actually try to fix things to make the country better, not abandon it.


Oh wait, nevermind...I forgot the part at the end of the constitution where it says "P.S. - If things arent going your way, disregard this document and start your own country with its own version."



DSCN0726banner1_zpse9bade3d.jpg
Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
MachineGunSteve

ID: 184119
Level: 73
Posts: 5951
Score: 3930
BBMachineGunSteve [184119]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Fri Dec 06, 2013 15:35:48
By TedThomas [887131]
Well one way to fix that would be to add an amendment to the constitution saying money is not speech, and corporations are not people in order to get the money out of the political process. You see ACTUAL patriots actually try to fix things to make the country better, not abandon it.


Oh wait, nevermind...I forgot the part at the end of the constitution where it says "P.S. - If things arent going your way, disregard this document and start your own country with its own version."



I agree with you on the need for a Constitutional amendment with regards to money and speech, but I do not agree with your assessment that patriots do not abandon their efforts at bettering their country... the USA was created by men who abandoned their country in order to form a new country...as you well know, I am sure.

We should work, and yell, and take up arms, if necessary to try to preserve our nation, but if preservation of the nation comes at the cost of having to put up with tyrants... then the only rational thing to do is abandon it, if it can not be changed.

"what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure." --T.J.





Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
-El-

ID: 463504
Level: 76
Posts: 2186
Score: 1160
eVÝ-El- [463504]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Fri Dec 06, 2013 16:29:44
Seems like a good plan to secede.

Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
Ebony
ID: 1481869
Level: 28
Posts: 276
Score: 206
Ebony [1481869]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Fri Dec 06, 2013 17:45:45
By TedThomas [887131]
Well one way to fix that would be to add an amendment to the constitution saying money is not speech, and corporations are not people in order to get the money out of the political process. You see ACTUAL patriots actually try to fix things to make the country better, not abandon it.


Oh wait, nevermind...I forgot the part at the end of the constitution where it says "P.S. - If things arent going your way, disregard this document and start your own country with its own version."


Great idea. The only problem is in order to pass that amendment, it has to go through the corrupt congress who, to get re-elected, depends on those corporations dumping money into their campaigns (and their wallets). Really, that's just brilliant.

Actually, the best bet the people have of fixing things "like a patriot" is through a constitutional convention. But even people who bring that up are given weird looks.

Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
Fujiko

ID: 341315
Level: 55
Posts: 6418
Score: 4858
Fujiko [341315]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Fri Dec 06, 2013 17:58:31
By HarshLife [443611]
People will always want someone to blame.

We were all quite happy to allow frivolous spending during the economic boom.
Now that the economy is looking on the dire side, people point fingers and stamp their feet.

Unity means a shared synergistic approach.
You pay more Tax? Damn. But without that same tax you wouldnt be able to support a military.

If you dont want to pay as much in taxes, move to abandon the military. It makes more sense than secession and in both cases (military abandonment and secession) you're left to fend for yourself with only a fraction of the armed forces you have now.


The entire military would not be abandoned though. We still have the Texas National Guard, and active Duty Texas soldiers would have need to be transferred to the new Texas military... How much military do we actually NEED? Probably about as much as we would have if we seceded.

Unity is not possible when Texas has a different mindset from the rest of the country. While others are exchanging freedom for security, we are preparing to secure our freedoms. The house is already divided. Only by separating a country that has grown to big and polarised can we fix things for OURSELVES.

Buzzwords from the 1980's like "synergistic" don't change a thing. The 1980's were full of smoke and mirrors, and I contend that word was one.

189becd3-7317-bbf6-341315.gif
Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
Tolshortte

ID: 648554
Level: 50
Posts: 3302
Score: 1368
TBLTolshortte [648554]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Fri Dec 06, 2013 19:09:22
the system isn't broken. the people who use it are. enforce the document we have now and a lot of the problems will solve themselves.

vote everyone in office now out. try another panel before we break the country apart. the only thing that can take us down atm is us from the inside.

Don't like corps? stop buying there shit. stop making excuses to buy their shit. stop whining about saving a quarter when its ruining the rest of life around you. isn't going out less often, buying (insert your product) less often worth improving your life as a whole?

stop drinking the media Kool-Aid. you know its all propaganda and yet as soon as a new story breaks you jump on the f'n bandwagon.

support your neighbors, despite your differences, and DEMAND that the govt gets back to working for the people and not the special interests. learn to give up on certain things for the greater good. not all things that are fuzzy and warm and feel good are actually good for the country as a whole.

when in debt, stop supporting spending on things that will only further the abuse of funds and power. realize there is a time and place for everything. when the American people are strong and self reliant so is the country.



Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
Fujiko

ID: 341315
Level: 55
Posts: 6418
Score: 4858
Fujiko [341315]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Fri Dec 06, 2013 21:01:09
That's just the problem, Tolshortte. The American people as a whole are not strong and self-reliant.

I feel that Texans, however, are, which is the perfect reason to break away and secede.

Id I personally try to make a difference, in the context of the U.S. as a whole.. probably not happening.

In a space the size of Texas, I can make a difference.

Smaller is easier to regulate and maintain business controls than large.

See what I mean? Places like California that spend excessive amounts on social programs to the point that their towns are bankrupting themselves should bail themselves out. They made their bed, let them sleep in it. I'd rather live the Texas way, free from handouts and forced unionisation, free to live like the Founders intended.

189becd3-7317-bbf6-341315.gif
Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
HarshLife

ID: 443611
Level: 47
Posts: 898
Score: 789
NOVAHarshLife [443611]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Fri Dec 06, 2013 22:07:58
By JenniferCollins [341315]
The entire military would not be abandoned though. We still have the Texas National Guard, and active Duty Texas soldiers would have need to be transferred to the new Texas military... How much military do we actually NEED? Probably about as much as we would have if we seceded.

Unity is not possible when Texas has a different mindset from the rest of the country. While others are exchanging freedom for security, we are preparing to secure our freedoms. The house is already divided. Only by separating a country that has grown to big and polarised can we fix things for OURSELVES.

Buzzwords from the 1980's like "synergistic" don't change a thing. The 1980's were full of smoke and mirrors, and I contend that word was one.


I didn't think synergy had been retired in the 80s.
It (still) describes perfectly the idea that a greater number of people have a summitive power greater than the sum of each individual.


Sadly.. your Texan guard wouldn't be big enough to combat your much larger neighbor.

tornantiscam.jpg

No but seriously.. Say No to legalised scamming, Its just logical.
Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
Fujiko

ID: 341315
Level: 55
Posts: 6418
Score: 4858
Fujiko [341315]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Fri Dec 06, 2013 22:35:04
By HarshLife [443611]
By JenniferCollins [341315]
The entire military would not be abandoned though. We still have the Texas National Guard, and active Duty Texas soldiers would have need to be transferred to the new Texas military... How much military do we actually NEED? Probably about as much as we would have if we seceded.

Unity is not possible when Texas has a different mindset from the rest of the country. While others are exchanging freedom for security, we are preparing to secure our freedoms. The house is already divided. Only by separating a country that has grown to big and polarised can we fix things for OURSELVES.

Buzzwords from the 1980's like "synergistic" don't change a thing. The 1980's were full of smoke and mirrors, and I contend that word was one.


I didn't think synergy had been retired in the 80s.
It (still) describes perfectly the idea that a greater number of people have a summative power greater than the sum of each individual.


Sadly.. your Texan guard wouldn't be big enough to combat your much larger neighbor.


Think that. Mexico's army isn't that great... The U.S. had to shut down recently (you remember that? When the national parks were closed?) and is already over its head in debt. You really think they could war Texas and not be devastated by China or some other hungry nation?

All Texas would have to do is ally with Canada, and game over USA.

Think about it.

Edit (from Wictionary)

Usage notes

Synergy is frequently dismissed as business jargon.


Last Edited: Fri Dec 06, 2013 22:45:50
189becd3-7317-bbf6-341315.gif
Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
Ebony
ID: 1481869
Level: 28
Posts: 276
Score: 206
Ebony [1481869]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Fri Dec 06, 2013 23:09:31
Problem is, you should not underestimate the US govt's ability to squeeze blood from a turnip in times of war or "national emergency". Nor should you discount their powerful propaganda. I don't think Texas would make it by itself, and Canada would be too much in the NWO's pocket to want to ally Texas and start a war with the US.

Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
Fujiko

ID: 341315
Level: 55
Posts: 6418
Score: 4858
Fujiko [341315]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Fri Dec 06, 2013 23:18:18
Then we're between a rock and a hard place. You see..

What is the supreme law of the land?

Most Americans will say "The Constitution".

What does the Constitution say is the supreme law of the land?

Treaties.

Texas was an independent, sovereign and independent nation, but joined the U.S. by treaty.

Texas can fly the Texas flag at the same height as the U.S. flag because it is supposed to be able to leave whenever it wants, i.e. Texas and the U.S. government are on equal ground.

Ergo, if the U.S. does not honour its treaty with Texas, other countries will know that the U.S. will break the treaties with them if they feel it advantageous. They will ally with Texas and the U.S. gets pwnt.

189becd3-7317-bbf6-341315.gif
Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
-El-

ID: 463504
Level: 76
Posts: 2186
Score: 1160
eVÝ-El- [463504]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Fri Dec 06, 2013 23:19:49
Some of the posts here just made me laugh.

Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
HarshLife

ID: 443611
Level: 47
Posts: 898
Score: 789
NOVAHarshLife [443611]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Sat Dec 07, 2013 00:27:02
Synergy is generally swept away as a business jargon term for "1 + 1 = 3"
Synergistic is still given actual useage in other areas (such as medicine, drugs can act synthetically with each other).
I am not however here to discuss the background and usage of the word synergy.

Also... Texas and China vs the USA? Canada and Texas vs the USA? Neither of those is plausable, not to mention the US would have its own allies to come and play

Decentralisation of power is all well and good if you're not the people on the bottom, but its nonsensical.
People receive benefits that they would otherwise not have as a commune.

Texas pays more tax? Ok.. well the middle class also pay more tax than the working class, the upper class pay more still. Theoretically then, why not just drop the working class? They pay less tax, they get more in benefits that the middle class could afford to privately fund themselves, essentially they are a drain.
That wouldn't work.
An economy needs people of all classes, some who put more in, some who take more out. There has to be somebody to roll the fine cigars in order for rich people to smoke them. Theres no point being the CEO of a large company if your company doesn't have hundreds of low paid people to make it run.

I imagine Texas' extra income is generated not least in a small part due to being part of the USA (synergy), that income would decline somewhat when import from the rest of the US dropped like a stone and a new "Texas"-style state would take over.


Stay tuned though, as has been mentioned, Scotland is facing a referendum on Independence which will be decided by this time next year. They're also being fed the "SCOTTISH PEOPLE PAY MORE TAX PER CAPITA THAN THE REST OF THE UK!!!!!" line as a reason for independence. If they do vote to opt out of the union, they'll be trailing decentralisation for the western world.

Last Edited: Sat Dec 07, 2013 00:28:21
tornantiscam.jpg

No but seriously.. Say No to legalised scamming, Its just logical.
Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
OutlawImmortal

ID: 571579
Level: 46
Posts: 218
Score: -60
OutlawImmortal [571579]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Sat Dec 07, 2013 02:19:29
We the people need to come together for one. Stop bickering and educate your fellow man on survival etc. what you do not know learn and teach what you do know to those who don't know. Put your egos aside people WE ARE ONE. We need to regulate the federal government like states and counties. The fed need to shape up or ship out. I'm not declaring violence either. Ever heard of boycotting? Boycot voting.




The Black Mafia


Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
bosox
ID: 278767
Level: 45
Posts: 6895
Score: 2512
bosox [278767]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Sat Dec 07, 2013 02:35:26
It's an incredibly silly notion for a state wanting to leave the union, and then also thinking they would enjoy the same quality of life.

The strength of the US, and all the individual states, is the strength in numbers. The US has a very unique advantage of large size, large population and all of the area being (more or less) under the same language, customs, traditions, etc. Sure you can say there are differences between the Northeast, the South, Midwest, West Coast, etc. but it's nothing like having different dialects of primary languages that prevents large portions of the population form talking with each other. Or deep religious divide that leads to violence. Or far off isolated corners of the country being ruled under tribal/local government. Even Alaska and Hawaii more or less follow the same basic structure of the mainland.

To break that up would only weaken both the country and the individual state(s).

Last Edited: Sat Dec 07, 2013 02:42:58
Brady.jpg
2mhtnhu.png

I buy bulk Morphine
Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
TedThomas

ID: 887131
Level: 55
Posts: 21397
Score: 15959
{CI}TedThomas [887131]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:41:10
By MachineGunSteve [184119]
By TedThomas [887131]
Well one way to fix that would be to add an amendment to the constitution saying money is not speech, and corporations are not people in order to get the money out of the political process. You see ACTUAL patriots actually try to fix things to make the country better, not abandon it.


Oh wait, nevermind...I forgot the part at the end of the constitution where it says "P.S. - If things arent going your way, disregard this document and start your own country with its own version."




We should work, and yell, and take up arms, if necessary to try to preserve our nation, but if preservation of the nation comes at the cost of having to put up with tyrants... then the only rational thing to do is abandon it, if it can not be changed.



Sorry, you would still not be a patriot as far as the US is concerned. You could possibly say you are a patriot to whatever the hell country you decided to make up, but you would still be a traitor to the US and its constitution.


DSCN0726banner1_zpse9bade3d.jpg
Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
CravenTHC

ID: 1569996
Level: 55
Posts: 3176
Score: 2758
drnkCravenTHC [1569996]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:53:10
By TedThomas [887131]
By MachineGunSteve [184119]
By TedThomas [887131]
Well one way to fix that would be to add an amendment to the constitution saying money is not speech, and corporations are not people in order to get the money out of the political process. You see ACTUAL patriots actually try to fix things to make the country better, not abandon it.


Oh wait, nevermind...I forgot the part at the end of the constitution where it says "P.S. - If things arent going your way, disregard this document and start your own country with its own version."




We should work, and yell, and take up arms, if necessary to try to preserve our nation, but if preservation of the nation comes at the cost of having to put up with tyrants... then the only rational thing to do is abandon it, if it can not be changed.



Sorry, you would still not be a patriot as far as the US is concerned. You could possibly say you are a patriot to whatever the hell country you decided to make up, but you would still be a traitor to the US and its constitution.


That's entirely wrong if the people in control are already conducting business contradictory to what the constitution says. They would be the traitors to the constitution, while we would be traitors to the state that has perverted said constitution.

1995b124-a670-4052-9786-2aa6509e1af4_zps

By: Yoshihiro [1244536]
Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
Fujiko

ID: 341315
Level: 55
Posts: 6418
Score: 4858
Fujiko [341315]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Sat Dec 07, 2013 14:42:01
By HarshLife [443611]
Synergy is generally swept away as a business jargon term for "1 + 1 = 3"
Synergistic is still given actual usage in other areas (such as medicine, drugs can act synthetically with each other).

I am not however here to discuss the background and usage of the word synergy.


Excellent, because, as those areas are non-topical and therefore irrelevant to the matter at hand, I don't find you to be doing a very good job of it.

By HarshLife [443611]
Also... Texas and China vs the USA? Canada and Texas vs the USA? Neither of those are plausible, not to mention the US would have its own allies to come and play.


Of course, because the political climate throughout the world very much favours the U.S. and everyone would bend over backwards to join in and help the U.S. at this juncture.

How well do you suppose the U.S. could maintain this "synergy" without oil from Texas?
You realise that fuel prices are already subsidised for Americans, yes?

Without Texas oil, the U.S. would be driven into the arms of Mexico, Nigeria, and OPEC.
Since they all simply adore the United States (particularly OPEC), they will jump at the chance to sell oil to the U.S. at a discount to offset the loss, right?

By HarshLife [443611]
Decentralisation of power is all well and good if you're not the people on the bottom, but its nonsensical.
People receive benefits that they would otherwise not have as a commune.


Ah, the exalted benefits like Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

These lovely programs run on the same principle as a "Ponzi scheme" (google it).
With the advent of the Baby-boom generation collecting on them you've got some lovely synergy there.[/sarcasm]

By HarshLife [443611]
Texas pays more tax? Ok.. well the middle class also pay more tax than the working class, the upper class pay more still. Theoretically then, why not just drop the working class? They pay less tax, they get more in benefits that the middle class could afford to privately fund themselves, essentially they are a drain.
That wouldn't work.
An economy needs people of all classes, some who put more in, some who take more out. There has to be somebody to roll the fine cigars in order for rich people to smoke them. Theres no point being the CEO of a large company if your company doesn't have hundreds of low paid people to make it run.

I imagine Texas' extra income is generated not least in a small part due to being part of the USA (synergy), that income would decline somewhat when import from the rest of the US dropped like a stone and a new "Texas"-style state would take over.


(bold text for emphasis)
Not least in a small part? What does that even mean? That you fancy it exists?
Strong argument there, how can I counter it?[/sarcasm]

I don't advocate classism or class warfare, but I do I advocate the dropping of the Ponzi-scheme social programs. They work so well in California, so well that entire cities have been declaring bankruptcy there over them. More of your mythical "synergy", yes?

(I chose not to address Scotland, as that is a separate topic, and I consider it irrelevant.)

By TedThomas [887131]
Sorry, you would still not be a patriot as far as the US is concerned. You could possibly say you are a patriot to whatever the hell country you decided to make up, but you would still be a traitor to the US and its constitution.


You fancy he made up the Republic of Texas? That by exercising its rights under that Constitution (bearing in mind that the Constitution itself states treaties to be the supreme law of the land) Texas would be a traitor to it?

Your trolling is even less thinly-veiled than normal, Ted.

Last Edited: Sat Dec 07, 2013 14:51:48
189becd3-7317-bbf6-341315.gif
Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
TedThomas

ID: 887131
Level: 55
Posts: 21397
Score: 15959
{CI}TedThomas [887131]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Sat Dec 07, 2013 21:50:11
By CravenTHC [1569996]



That's entirely wrong if the people in control are already conducting business contradictory to what the constitution says. They would be the traitors to the constitution, while we would be traitors to the state that has perverted said constitution.


Feel free to tell yourself that if it makes you feel better about betraying your country.

DSCN0726banner1_zpse9bade3d.jpg
Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
TedThomas

ID: 887131
Level: 55
Posts: 21397
Score: 15959
{CI}TedThomas [887131]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Sat Dec 07, 2013 22:14:44
By JenniferCollins [341315]


Texas was an independent, sovereign and independent nation, but joined the U.S. by treaty.

Texas can fly the Texas flag at the same height as the U.S. flag because it is supposed to be able to leave whenever it wants, i.e. Texas and the U.S. government are on equal ground.


Wrong, that is a myth that has been perpetuated by nutbags such as yourself. It is 100% false.

The only thing the annexation agreement says is that Texas is allowed to split itself into 5 states whenever it wants, your version is fantasy.

As far as the flag thing goes, any state can fly their flag at the same height as the US flag, Texas is just the only one that chooses to. Its just another myth created by Texans to make them feel special.


Last Edited: Sat Dec 07, 2013 22:23:42
DSCN0726banner1_zpse9bade3d.jpg
Super secret reinforced spam barrier 2.0
CravenTHC

ID: 1569996
Level: 55
Posts: 3176
Score: 2758
drnkCravenTHC [1569996]Reply | Quote | Report

Posted on Sat Dec 07, 2013 22:46:55
By TedThomas [887131]
By CravenTHC [1569996]



That's entirely wrong if the people in control are already conducting business contradictory to what the constitution says. They would be the traitors to the constitution, while we would be traitors to the state that has perverted said constitution.


Feel free to tell yourself that if it makes you feel better about betraying your country.


Would you care to give any supporting evidence to your baseless contradictory statement? I have already demonstrated that the US government is operating outside the bounds of the constitution. As far as I'm concerned this post of yours constitutes nothing more than trolling.

1995b124-a670-4052-9786-2aa6509e1af4_zps

By: Yoshihiro [1244536]
Forum Main>>Non Related>>Politics & Law>> States are opting to secede from the USA?
First  << 1  2  3  4  5 >>  Last