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Posted on Tue Nov 05, 2013 20:27:55
By CravenTHC [1569996]
Whoa there captain copulation.

Reproduction most certainly is NOT the only argument in favor of marriage. IF it were then there would be no need to assist potential parents in any other way beyond the conception and rearing of a child. However there are special benefits that a couple receives including preferential treatment in regards to healthcare, taxes, retirement, and postmortem estates. All of those benefits are awarded regardless of your child bearing status. If this wasn't the case then I'd be inclined to agree with all of your points. However considering that children are no longer the moral impetus of the continuation of the human race I'm quite inclined to disagree.




I certainly am aware that there is a long streak of allowing the benefits of marriage to accrue to non-breeders in western culture. I take a very dim view of that - and have been doing so for much longer than say, DOMA existed, or anyone even mentioned gay marriage.


In the time of nomadic tribal societies breeding was certainly a competition. Now it is not so. Whether or not we know what combination of genes is best, the fact remains that we will be overpopulated within the next century.


I told you it - survival - was a competive blood-sport, right?
The breeds that balk at competing their competitors into oblivion don't pass the Survival of the Fittest test.
Just as with ants and bees or wolves, but unlike grazing herbivores, we're built for just that. [ Our extended infancies figure into that as well - proper herbivores are ready-to-forage real quick! ]

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Posted on Tue Nov 05, 2013 20:32:16
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I do not believe in blind obedience anymore than I believe in blind faith...

Each person should be left to their own salvation, relations, stimulation's, copulation's, so far as it does not interfere with anyone else's life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness.


The short and etymological answer is that I flat-out disagree with the concept of treating an individual categorically as a person.

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Posted on Tue Nov 05, 2013 20:55:21
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By MachineGunSteve [184119]
I do not believe in blind obedience anymore than I believe in blind faith...

Each person should be left to their own salvation, relations, stimulation's, copulation's, so far as it does not interfere with anyone else's life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness.


The short and etymological answer is that I flat-out disagree with the concept of treating an individual categorically as a person.


And I leave you to your opinion, Darth... even if it would mean an end to mine should you and your kind gain the upper hand.


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Posted on Tue Nov 05, 2013 21:13:19
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By DarthBrogo [21801]
By MachineGunSteve [184119]
I do not believe in blind obedience anymore than I believe in blind faith...

Each person should be left to their own salvation, relations, stimulation's, copulation's, so far as it does not interfere with anyone else's life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness.


The short and etymological answer is that I flat-out disagree with the concept of treating an individual categorically as a person.


And I leave you to your opinion, Darth... even if it would mean an end to mine should you and your kind gain the upper hand.


What are clouds
but an excuse for rain
What is life
but an excuse for death?

Some Daimyo or other.



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Posted on Fri Dec 06, 2013 16:15:05
NO! I am against it and will always be!

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Posted on Thu Dec 19, 2013 19:04:16
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By MachineGunSteve [184119]
I do not believe in blind obedience anymore than I believe in blind faith...

Each person should be left to their own salvation, relations, stimulation's, copulation's, so far as it does not interfere with anyone else's life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness.


The short and etymological answer is that I flat-out disagree with the concept of treating an individual categorically as a person.


Makes sense. The legal concept and definition of a corporation as being an individual would make such a belief unsound.

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Posted on Thu Dec 19, 2013 20:18:03
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By MachineGunSteve [184119]
I do not believe in blind obedience anymore than I believe in blind faith...

Each person should be left to their own salvation, relations, stimulation's, copulation's, so far as it does not interfere with anyone else's life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness.


The short and etymological answer is that I flat-out disagree with the concept of treating an individual categorically as a person.


Makes sense. The legal concept and definition of a corporation as being an individual would make such a belief unsound.



That is but one single objection.
But certainly a valid objection.

To add to it: the concept of incorporation as we know it allows an individual to pare off some of his objects-with-rights into a new legal entity, and allows the new legal creation to enjoy a new dose of rights.
This allows for an endless multiplication of rights - to the point where rights become completely meaningless.

Does Nestle have the same right to potable water that you have?
If so - what happens when your and its claims become mutually exclusive?

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Posted on Fri Dec 20, 2013 01:05:45
You take them to court and whoever has the most money wins.

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Posted on Fri Dec 20, 2013 09:52:49
And thus the idea of 'right' has been negated.

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Posted on Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:24:51
I completely disagree with the same sex marriage , it should be made illegal. Can anyone point out any animals that have sex with the same sex. Then why does human think of it.

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Posted on Fri Dec 20, 2013 15:48:34
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I completely disagree with the same sex marriage , it should be made illegal. Can anyone point out any animals that have sex with the same sex. Then why does human think of it.


My old dog was a pederast. He raped male puppies.
So we had to segregate him whenever there was a litter.

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Posted on Fri Dec 20, 2013 16:05:00
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I completely disagree with the same sex marriage , it should be made illegal. Can anyone point out any animals that have sex with the same sex. Then why does human think of it.


Gee, let me google that for you:


www.livescience.com/3697-sex-behavior-animals.html

"It's clear that same-sex sexual behavior extends far beyond the well-known examples that dominate both the scientific and popular literature: for example, bonobos, dolphins, penguins and fruit flies," said Nathan Bailey, a postdoctoral researcher at the University of California, Riverside.

Same-sex behaviors in different species are not all equivalent, the review finds. For instance, male fruit flies sometimes court other male flies, but this behavior is due to a missing gene that gives the flies the ability to distinguish between sexes, said Bailey, a co-author of the review. "That is very different from male bottlenose dolphins, who engage in same-sex interactions to facilitate group bonding, or female Laysan Albatross that can remain pair-bonded for life," he added.

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090616122106.htm

So yes, same-sex sexual behavior, though not at all interesting to me, is prevalent in nature, but that has little to do with same sex marriage...

Marriage is a legal bond, though I for one am not in favor of government even being involved in the "marriage" business.

Marriage should be a solemn oath between two consenting adults... other legal relationship agreements can be had via contracts.

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