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Just feel like starting a debate

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Posted on Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:27:43
I'm in a same-sex marriage ... the sex is always the same.

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Posted on Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:18:39
Look, if we allow that then what's next, letting people marry aliens from outer space?

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Posted on Wed Aug 21, 2013 15:07:00
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Look, if we allow that then what's next, letting people marry aliens from outer space?


Exactly. Same-sex marriage is but a step away from socialism.

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Posted on Wed Aug 21, 2013 23:22:13
as a baptist i believe its a sin, but i also know god gave us free will and im not to judge.
So i really dont care if 2 men or 2 women want to marry each other, more power to them and i wish the best for them. But what i dont agree with is forcing others to believe in their marriage, like whats happening to a couple who run a bakery in colorado who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple.

www.advocate.com/politics/marriage-equality/2013/06/07/colo-bakery-refused-gay-couples-business-faces-legal-complaint

what makes me laugh at that article tho, is the fact the lawyer for the couple said it was a "public sphere" last time i check a business privately own is private property.

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Posted on Thu Aug 22, 2013 19:43:30
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Look, if we allow that then what's next, letting people marry aliens from outer space?


Exactly. Same-sex marriage is but a step away from socialism.


Saying that gay marriage is a step away from socialism is very homophobic, no-one can choose who they are attracted to so why does it matter so much if it's a man and a woman or two men?



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Posted on Thu Aug 22, 2013 20:27:45
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Look, if we allow that then what's next, letting people marry aliens from outer space?


Exactly. Same-sex marriage is but a step away from socialism.


Saying that gay marriage is a step away from socialism is very homophobic, no-one can choose who they are attracted to so why does it matter so much if it's a man and a woman or two men?



He was being sarcastic about the problem a fair few people have in the US about Socialism.

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Posted on Thu Aug 22, 2013 22:27:44
I'm all for same sex marriage.

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Posted on Fri Aug 23, 2013 00:28:57
..if they reject 'the norm' in society
and if they accept each other,
why force the society to accept them?

..can someone just explain that to me?



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Posted on Fri Aug 23, 2013 01:49:33
I'm for it!
Gay people have as much rite to be as miserable as straight people.

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Posted on Sat Aug 24, 2013 18:06:54
I don't think it should be viewed any differently, a person is a person regardless of gender. In favour of same sex marriage.

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Posted on Sun Aug 25, 2013 00:37:23
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Look, if we allow that then what's next, letting people marry aliens from outer space?


Exactly. Same-sex marriage is but a step away from socialism.


Saying that gay marriage is a step away from socialism is very homophobic, no-one can choose who they are attracted to so why does it matter so much if it's a man and a woman or two men?


I dont agree with it i think it should be illegal but thats my opinion



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Posted on Sun Aug 25, 2013 03:15:52
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Look, if we allow that then what's next, letting people marry aliens from outer space?


Exactly. Same-sex marriage is but a step away from socialism.


Saying that gay marriage is a step away from socialism is very homophobic, no-one can choose who they are attracted to so why does it matter so much if it's a man and a woman or two men?


I dont agree with it i think it should be illegal but thats my opinion



now why should it be illegal?

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Posted on Sun Aug 25, 2013 04:22:22
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Look, if we allow that then what's next, letting people marry aliens from outer space?


Exactly. Same-sex marriage is but a step away from socialism.


Saying that gay marriage is a step away from socialism is very homophobic, no-one can choose who they are attracted to so why does it matter so much if it's a man and a woman or two men?


I dont agree with it i think it should be illegal but thats my opinion



now why should it be illegal?


If he was raised in a Christian envirnonment Im gonna go with the old saying, God made Adam & Eve, NOT Adam & Steve.

Personally, i think male on male contact is one of the most discusting things one could ever witness in life. I mean really, who the f**k in their rite mind would want to see another mans big pimply hairy smelly ass bent over in front of them.

But as long as there not trying to push that shit off on everyone else, or doing their discusting pda's in front of kids. Hey whatever floats your boat.
Now woman on woman contact, THATS a completely different story.

Call me hypocritical, bigoted whatever. It's the way i see it, & I'l be damned if i change my views for anyone here.

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Posted on Sun Aug 25, 2013 04:25:03
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..if they reject 'the norm' in society
and if they accept each other,
why force the society to accept them?

..can someone just explain that to me?



I'm not sure anyone is forcing society to accept anyone.You are welcome to harbour negative views of anybody, no matter how stupid they are. Society's views (as a whole) are shifting because the majority can see that the unease is immaturity. Why should people be refused rights, based on said 'ickyness'?

They don't harm anyone so where's the trouble?

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Posted on Sun Aug 25, 2013 05:05:23
Hmmm. True enough.

Just because they make you extremely uncomfortable doesn't mean they shouldn't still be able to do what a hetero couple would be allowed to do in public. It's not THEIR fault it makes you uncomfortable.

There's this guy I see twice a year at the directors meetings, and one of his arms is a little t-rex arm, and it's always twitching and fidgeting.

Just because he makes me uncomfortable doesn't mean he should be barred from doing what is natural to him. Sitting in his chair with his 2 fingered nubby misshapen t-rex hand quivering and making claw motions...

So I definitely see where you're coming from.

I mean, like I try to think of it in a humorous way so I don't get like flustered, the last thing I want to do is umm and uhh in front of the others and the owners etc.
So I just think of him stirring mashed potatoes or leaning out a window and it puts me back on my A game.

So I guess that's my advice to the people repulsed by two men making out or whatever, just try to find some humor in it, it works pretty well.

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Posted on Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:45:47
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as a baptist i believe its a sin, but i also know god gave us free will and im not to judge.
So i really dont care if 2 men or 2 women want to marry each other, more power to them and i wish the best for them. But what i dont agree with is forcing others to believe in their marriage, like whats happening to a couple who run a bakery in colorado who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple.

www.advocate.com/politics/marriage-equality/2013/06/07/colo-bakery-refused-gay-couples-business-faces-legal-complaint

what makes me laugh at that article tho, is the fact the lawyer for the couple said it was a "public sphere" last time i check a business privately own is private property.


It's a business that serves the public and it's discrimination. Think about it as though they were telling someone they wouldn't make them a cake because they were black or jewish or handicapped.

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Posted on Sun Aug 25, 2013 17:55:41
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Hmmm. True enough.

Just because they make you extremely uncomfortable doesn't mean they shouldn't still be able to do what a hetero couple would be allowed to do in public. It's not THEIR fault it makes you uncomfortable.

There's this guy I see twice a year at the directors meetings, and one of his arms is a little t-rex arm, and it's always twitching and fidgeting.

Just because he makes me uncomfortable doesn't mean he should be barred from doing what is natural to him. Sitting in his chair with his 2 fingered nubby misshapen t-rex hand quivering and making claw motions...

So I definitely see where you're coming from.

I mean, like I try to think of it in a humorous way so I don't get like flustered, the last thing I want to do is umm and uhh in front of the others and the owners etc.
So I just think of him stirring mashed potatoes or leaning out a window and it puts me back on my A game.

So I guess that's my advice to the people repulsed by two men making out or whatever, just try to find some humor in it, it works pretty well.


The pda's i was referring to more or less concern's me having to explain to my 4 yr. old that it's NOT OK to put your tongue in another boys mouth like tooty & fruity just did. Grown folks im not concerned with as they allready know it's discusting.

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Posted on Tue Aug 27, 2013 02:12:06
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as a baptist i believe its a sin, but i also know god gave us free will and im not to judge.
So i really dont care if 2 men or 2 women want to marry each other, more power to them and i wish the best for them. But what i dont agree with is forcing others to believe in their marriage, like whats happening to a couple who run a bakery in colorado who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple.

www.advocate.com/politics/marriage-equality/2013/06/07/colo-bakery-refused-gay-couples-business-faces-legal-complaint

what makes me laugh at that article tho, is the fact the lawyer for the couple said it was a "public sphere" last time i check a business privately own is private property.


It's a business that serves the public and it's discrimination. Think about it as though they were telling someone they wouldn't make them a cake because they were black or jewish or handicapped.


but its a PRIVATELY OWNED business, so they can refuse service to anybody...period. If a white person refused service to a black person, my opinion is the same. Its their right to do so, doesnt mean i agree but i understand they have a right to run their private business into the ground if they want to. that is my favorite part about a free market, you can choose to shop somewhere or not, you have choices when it comes to giving your money to somebody. So heres a tip for all you idiots, if you dont like the way they do business....DONT SPEND YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY THERE. its mighty freakin simple.

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Posted on Tue Aug 27, 2013 03:38:53
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as a baptist i believe its a sin, but i also know god gave us free will and im not to judge.
So i really dont care if 2 men or 2 women want to marry each other, more power to them and i wish the best for them. But what i dont agree with is forcing others to believe in their marriage, like whats happening to a couple who run a bakery in colorado who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple.

www.advocate.com/politics/marriage-equality/2013/06/07/colo-bakery-refused-gay-couples-business-faces-legal-complaint

what makes me laugh at that article tho, is the fact the lawyer for the couple said it was a "public sphere" last time i check a business privately own is private property.


It's a business that serves the public and it's discrimination. Think about it as though they were telling someone they wouldn't make them a cake because they were black or jewish or handicapped.


but its a PRIVATELY OWNED business, so they can refuse service to anybody...period. If a white person refused service to a black person, my opinion is the same. Its their right to do so, doesnt mean i agree but i understand they have a right to run their private business into the ground if they want to. that is my favorite part about a free market, you can choose to shop somewhere or not, you have choices when it comes to giving your money to somebody. So heres a tip for all you idiots, if you dont like the way they do business....DONT SPEND YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY THERE. its mighty freakin simple.


You can't refuse service based on arbitrary discrimination. If it's in the specific interest of the business to refuse the service that's when the gain the right to do it.

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Posted on Tue Aug 27, 2013 05:20:13
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as a baptist i believe its a sin, but i also know god gave us free will and im not to judge.
So i really dont care if 2 men or 2 women want to marry each other, more power to them and i wish the best for them. But what i dont agree with is forcing others to believe in their marriage, like whats happening to a couple who run a bakery in colorado who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple.

www.advocate.com/politics/marriage-equality/2013/06/07/colo-bakery-refused-gay-couples-business-faces-legal-complaint

what makes me laugh at that article tho, is the fact the lawyer for the couple said it was a "public sphere" last time i check a business privately own is private property.


It's a business that serves the public and it's discrimination. Think about it as though they were telling someone they wouldn't make them a cake because they were black or jewish or handicapped.


but its a PRIVATELY OWNED business, so they can refuse service to anybody...period. If a white person refused service to a black person, my opinion is the same. Its their right to do so, doesnt mean i agree but i understand they have a right to run their private business into the ground if they want to. that is my favorite part about a free market, you can choose to shop somewhere or not, you have choices when it comes to giving your money to somebody. So heres a tip for all you idiots, if you dont like the way they do business....DONT SPEND YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY THERE. its mighty freakin simple.


You can't refuse service based on arbitrary discrimination. If it's in the specific interest of the business to refuse the service that's when the gain the right to do it.


a privately owned business reserves the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. right or wrong that's how it is. you can choose to serve Chinese Islamic lesbians only if you so choose, don't expect to stay in business long with those practices but it is legal.



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Posted on Tue Aug 27, 2013 19:06:45
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a privately owned business reserves the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. right or wrong that's how it is. you can choose to serve Chinese Islamic lesbians only if you so choose, don't expect to stay in business long with those practices but it is legal.


No they dont and thats not how it is.

You can refuse service to someone because they are being a dick, you cannot refuse service to someone because of thier race, the color of their skin, their religion, and in many states (like Colorado where this happened), their sexual preference. Thats called violating someone's civil rights. Cant do it to disabled people either because of the Americans with Disabilities act.

If it was a private club (like a church), then yes they could. But they are a public business so no they cant.



That's how it is. Not sure where you have been for the last 60 years.

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Posted on Tue Aug 27, 2013 20:40:30
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..if they reject 'the norm' in society
and if they accept each other,
why force the society to accept them?

..can someone just explain that to me?



Just because society accepts something it does not mean it is right or if it does not accept something that does not mean that thing is wrong. You call it the norm but there could be something wrong with it. A lot of people suffered and died for a lot of good causes for change and acceptance. If they did it like how you did things and were in the U.S. There still would be slavery, and then women would not be able to vote, and segregation do you think that all those are good and acceptable things?

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Posted on Tue Aug 27, 2013 20:49:17
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Hmmm. True enough.

Just because they make you extremely uncomfortable doesn't mean they shouldn't still be able to do what a hetero couple would be allowed to do in public. It's not THEIR fault it makes you uncomfortable.

There's this guy I see twice a year at the directors meetings, and one of his arms is a little t-rex arm, and it's always twitching and fidgeting.

Just because he makes me uncomfortable doesn't mean he should be barred from doing what is natural to him. Sitting in his chair with his 2 fingered nubby misshapen t-rex hand quivering and making claw motions...

So I definitely see where you're coming from.

I mean, like I try to think of it in a humorous way so I don't get like flustered, the last thing I want to do is umm and uhh in front of the others and the owners etc.
So I just think of him stirring mashed potatoes or leaning out a window and it puts me back on my A game.

So I guess that's my advice to the people repulsed by two men making out or whatever, just try to find some humor in it, it works pretty well.


The pda's i was referring to more or less concern's me having to explain to my 4 yr. old that it's NOT OK to put your tongue in another boys mouth like tooty & fruity just did. Grown folks im not concerned with as they allready know it's discusting.


Personally I find anyone kissing in public is icky. I happen to find kissing itself to be disgusting all together as well. Why not tell your kid what it is two people in love. A 4 year old should not be kissing anyway's, do you tell your 4 year old not to be kissing girls at that age either or do you think since homosexual guys are doing something your kid is more likely to pick it up. People talk so much about morals and then they teach their kids that it is okay to tell little lies that they give a name to that is absent in colour. Plenty of other immoral things too most people how go and look at homosexuality that they deem to be perfectly fine as well.

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Posted on Tue Aug 27, 2013 23:42:33
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..if they reject 'the norm' in society
and if they accept each other,
why force the society to accept them?

..can someone just explain that to me?



Just because society accepts something it does not mean it is right or if it does not accept something that does not mean that thing is wrong. You call it the norm but there could be something wrong with it. A lot of people suffered and died for a lot of good causes for change and acceptance. If they did it like how you did things and were in the U.S. There still would be slavery, and then women would not be able to vote, and segregation do you think that all those are good and acceptable things?


Whether a norm is right or wrong is not the point.
Your agreement is not the point either.
What you think is not the point.
Confomity to norms, however, is the point.

If you don't like the way your society does something, your sole recourse is to remove yourself from that society.
CONCEDED: in the case of slavery that option was not available.
Hence: the guns begin to speak.


The point about Segregation is a sophistry. That matter was SETTLD by the 14th Amendment.
The real question is: why were the former Confederates not simply sent to death for having the temerity to dispute the matter?

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Posted on Wed Aug 28, 2013 01:37:28
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Hmmm. True enough.

Just because they make you extremely uncomfortable doesn't mean they shouldn't still be able to do what a hetero couple would be allowed to do in public. It's not THEIR fault it makes you uncomfortable.

There's this guy I see twice a year at the directors meetings, and one of his arms is a little t-rex arm, and it's always twitching and fidgeting.

Just because he makes me uncomfortable doesn't mean he should be barred from doing what is natural to him. Sitting in his chair with his 2 fingered nubby misshapen t-rex hand quivering and making claw motions...

So I definitely see where you're coming from.

I mean, like I try to think of it in a humorous way so I don't get like flustered, the last thing I want to do is umm and uhh in front of the others and the owners etc.
So I just think of him stirring mashed potatoes or leaning out a window and it puts me back on my A game.

So I guess that's my advice to the people repulsed by two men making out or whatever, just try to find some humor in it, it works pretty well.


The pda's i was referring to more or less concern's me having to explain to my 4 yr. old that it's NOT OK to put your tongue in another boys mouth like tooty & fruity just did. Grown folks im not concerned with as they allready know it's discusting.


Personally I find anyone kissing in public is icky. I happen to find kissing itself to be disgusting all together as well. Why not tell your kid what it is two people in love. A 4 year old should not be kissing anyway's, do you tell your 4 year old not to be kissing girls at that age either or do you think since homosexual guys are doing something your kid is more likely to pick it up. People talk so much about morals and then they teach their kids that it is okay to tell little lies that they give a name to that is absent in colour. Plenty of other immoral things too most people how go and look at homosexuality that they deem to be perfectly fine as well.


As far as relationships go, he well aware that men are supposed to be with women. Hopefully i don't have to explain this type of situation to him anytime soon. But since he came from my genes i have no doubt in my mind he will fly the rite way.

As far as being intimate in general. I hope he waits a long time. Like after college.
Mainly because i don't wanna raise anymore kids.

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Posted on Wed Aug 28, 2013 09:28:09
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Whether a norm is right or wrong is not the point.
Your agreement is not the point either.
What you think is not the point.
Confomity to norms, however, is the point.



Lol, your obsession with conformity is pathetic...

Why dont you take your bullshit to an island where only people that agree with you can come to and you can live out your totalitarian dictatorship fantasy. In the actual real world people have different opinions and most of us want to be abler live together, get over yourself psychopath.

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Posted on Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:47:20
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Whether a norm is right or wrong is not the point.
Your agreement is not the point either.
What you think is not the point.
Confomity to norms, however, is the point.



Lol, your obsession with conformity is pathetic...

Why dont you take your bullshit to an island where only people that agree with you can come to and you can live out your totalitarian dictatorship fantasy. In the actual real world people have different opinions and most of us want to be abler live together, get over yourself psychopath.


Listen to Mr. Tolerance preach tolerance in his normal intolerant manner...

Of all the people in Torn whom need to "get over themselves", I would place you high on the list, Ted... WAY HIGH, on the list.

"I have always strenuously supported the right of every man to his own opinion, however different that opinion might be to mine. He who denies to another this right, makes a slave of himself to his present opinion, because he precludes himself the right of changing it."

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Posted on Wed Aug 28, 2013 17:16:53
Please tell me when I have ever said that we should go around killing people that I dont agree with like Brogo, thanks.

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MachineGunSteve

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Posted on Wed Aug 28, 2013 18:14:48
I don't see where Brogo said we should go around killing people. I do see that he asked a question regarding why that was not an acceptable solution to a long gone problem.

The real point, Ted, is that you rarely ever try to figure out what is actually being said, or why it is being said... you don't try to get to know the person. Your first response is usually to drop down on the opinion being expressed with all the tact and subtlety of using a sledge-hammer to break an egg if the opinion doesn't mirror your own left-leaning notions.

Seemingly that is how you have fun, just as I have fun poking you for doing so, so please continue with your fun... I certainly will.

I know for fact that Brogo is completely capable of defending his position far better than I can.

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Posted on Wed Aug 28, 2013 21:27:38
Don't worry about Teddy. He's just mentally diseased person in need of his medication.
It's wrong, I think, to think of him as left-leaning.
He's a Trotter.



Unlike the moderate left, he doesn't like Nationalism.

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