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Thread created on Tue Oct 23, 2012 22:57:33
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I am curious to know how many right wingers and left wingers there here on Torn and I would like to know if you can be in the middle of left wing or right wing? That you can belive in some aspects of both? I am 16 and learning so I may sound daft
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Posted on Thu Oct 25, 2012 05:33:23
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My 'wing' view changes on different topics, however generally I'd say I'm leftist
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Posted on Thu Oct 25, 2012 13:12:25
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Neither, politics lately is just like a long running Abbot and Costello joke
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Posted on Fri Oct 26, 2012 02:21:17
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economic left/right wing? social left/right wing?
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Posted on Fri Oct 26, 2012 13:06:59
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Social.
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Posted on Sun Nov 04, 2012 02:52:12
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I', left on many social issues.
I support gay marriage, Socialized medicine, Animal rights, legalization of drugs, no church interference in politics.
However I am generally right on tax policies (except for socialized medicine on the British model which would save us a fortune), I am right on confronting Islam/Marxism and I reject all forms of 'affirmative action'.
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Posted on Sun Nov 04, 2012 02:54:08
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By JimmySaville [1684884]
I', left on many social issues.
I support gay marriage, Socialized medicine, Animal rights, legalization of drugs, no church interference in politics.
However I am generally right on tax policies (except for socialized medicine on the British model which would save us a fortune), I am right on confronting Islam/Marxism and I reject all forms of 'affirmative action'. |
You want to confront Islam? Please, do explain this one.
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Posted on Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:58:40
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By JimmySaville [1684884]
I', left on many social issues.
I support gay marriage, Socialized medicine, Animal rights, legalization of drugs, no church interference in politics.
However I am generally right on tax policies (except for socialized medicine on the British model which would save us a fortune), I am right on confronting Islam/Marxism and I reject all forms of 'affirmative action'. |
You want to confront Islam? Please, do explain this one. |
Well its pretty much obvious for so many reasosnw which I cannot be bothered to type up.
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Posted on Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:43:31
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Confront Islam.Since islam is currently the world's most violent religion it stands to reason that they should be confronted.
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scorch2
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Posted on Sun Nov 04, 2012 22:14:41
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Agreed. Jimmy, you have no idea about wgat they are doing were I lived, if you seen it, you would be gobsmacked.
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Posted on Mon Nov 05, 2012 04:47:43
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we are all in the middle.
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Posted on Thu Nov 08, 2012 03:09:59
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I'm a breast man, me.
Actually I'm a butt man, but I thought I'd run with the whole chicken metaphor.
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Posted on Tue Nov 27, 2012 21:27:25
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i would say that i'm more of a socialist "marxist". i believe that nobody should be born with privelidges that are unnavaliable to others. i believe that celebrities should have normal pay, as they deserve normal pay. but i also am against benefits. some people are just draining the countyr of money out of lasieness. if they want to be equal, they should put in the effort that others do.
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Posted on Tue Dec 04, 2012 19:52:54
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I believe the world is over 6,000 years old so I guess I'm centre san..erm...I mean centre left.
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Posted on Thu Jan 31, 2013 21:27:01
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combatin islam?? they just want to some ambitious hipocrit little men, stop invading their homes, stealin their nation's wealth and KILLIN their families, soo.. who are the violent ones?
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Posted on Fri Feb 01, 2013 09:21:30
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I am for ALL government information avalibe to the people of which they "govern"
So basically I should go live in the dersert far away from bullshit
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Posted on Fri Feb 01, 2013 15:14:50
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By scorch2 [1484059]
Agreed. Jimmy, you have no idea about wgat they are doing were I lived, if you seen it, you would be gobsmacked. |
Please, tell us what they were doing your racist clown.
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Posted on Fri Feb 01, 2013 18:39:43
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Neither, Both are sheep. I don't need political affiliation to make a decision.
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Posted on Sat Feb 02, 2013 06:18:00
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Neither, Both are sheep. I don't need political affiliation to make a decision. |
Exactly, it's blatantly obvious divide and conquer tactics. How anyone is still completely ignorant to these tactics is beyond me..
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Posted on Sun Feb 03, 2013 20:49:15
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By scorch2 [1484059]
Agreed. Jimmy, you have no idea about wgat they are doing were I lived, if you seen it, you would be gobsmacked. |
Please, tell us what they were doing your racist clown. |
Again with the racist term, what now we are not allowed to criticise now? So whats the point of democracy if you continue to call anyone "racist" who mentions anything about religion or culture which they think is wrong? You left wingers are just using that term to scare people to stop them from thinking what they think, which is I belive is the same tactic that HITLER used in order to keep the masses quiet and to stop them standing up for the Jews. If you use that tactic to stop freedom of speech then your no better than a goddamn dictator. And what I am complaining about is that a huge population transfer has happened and its changed my city comepletly, I think its fine if only a few thousand came in but when people of a certain ethic group moves into a single city in huge numbers, it changes the culture of that area completly, making my culture feel inferior since I am the SOLE person who thinks arranged marriage is wrong in my collage. And whats worse is they dont INTERGRATE. My city have different areas, we have a indian section of the city, an african area, if thats intergration then I must be Donald f**king duck.
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Posted on Sun Feb 03, 2013 20:59:33
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By scorch2 [1484059]
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By scorch2 [1484059]
Agreed. Jimmy, you have no idea about wgat they are doing were I lived, if you seen it, you would be gobsmacked. |
Please, tell us what they were doing your racist clown. |
Again with the racist term, what now we are not allowed to criticise now? So whats the point of democracy if you continue to call anyone "racist" who mentions anything about religion or culture which they think is wrong? You left wingers are just using that term to scare people to stop them from thinking what they think, which is I belive is the same tactic that HITLER used in order to keep the masses quiet and to stop them standing up for the Jews. If you use that tactic to stop freedom of speech then your no better than a goddamn dictator. And what I am complaining about is that a huge population transfer has happened and its changed my city comepletly, I think its fine if only a few thousand came in but when people of a certain ethic group moves into a single city in huge numbers, it changes the culture of that area completly, making my culture feel inferior since I am the SOLE person who thinks arranged marriage is wrong in my collage. And whats worse is they dont INTERGRATE. My city have different areas, we have a indian section of the city, an african area, if thats intergration then I must be Donald f**king duck. |
You are racist though, you've proven that time and time again (just because you don't seem to understand what racism is, or that you are racist doesn't mean you're not). Not just that but judging from this post you're also a really really thick. Not surprising considering that education is the cure to racism. Anyway, enjoy your life moaning.
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Posted on Sun Feb 03, 2013 21:20:54
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Look LimeTroll, Racism is to do with colour not f**king culture or religion hence the word "Race". As I stated I am critisieing that those people with different cultures and religions are not INTERGRATING which is nothing to do with f**king colour. And what part of my post sounds thick to you? Please explain.
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Definition of racism
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races: theories of racism
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior
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Posted on Tue Feb 26, 2013 14:46:57
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Hard-core Traditionalist Right.
-War and Law&Order as the main focuses of the State.
-Opposed to individual rights, narrow niche-focus on collective rights.
-Europe: Unification by any means, the inner doors open and the outter doors closed.
-Taxation on Consumption, and not on Income ( too easy to evade, as we have seen. )
-Obligatory Universal Military Service.
-NOT in favour of Small Government.
-Mandatory balanced budgets ( by increasing taxation), and opposed to tax cuts.
-Loyalty oaths as a condition for the Ballot.
- Likewise, Immigration conditional on said Oath and a ban on dual citizenship.
- Purge of all 'progressive' elements that were disloyal during the Cold War.
Foreign Policy
- Strong for Israel.
-Confrontational Policy in the Midle East, including insistence and high pressure to de-legalise shariatic practises.
- Engagement with Africa, emphasising Black Rights against the continued Arab occupation since 632AD or so.
- Federalism as an interim point
- Atlanticism and generally supportive of the US, not caring whether Republicans or Democrats are in charge. I have lived through the presidencies ( as an adult ) of 5 US Presidents. I liked 2 Republicans and 2 Democrats.
Faits Divers
- Mandatory Bilinhgualism as a minimum in Education.
- Complete ban on Abortion.
- Complete ban on 'soft drgs'.
- Global Warming is real, and an existential threat, to be met by lowering energy consumption.
- OPPOSED to high living standards. Resources are limited, and future generations have as much right to scarce resources as we have.
- Strongly in favour of Development Aid to the real 3rd World ( Read: Black Africa ). It's a matter of Justice as well as Self Interest. Treat Africa right and we will have good and reliable partners there.
- Mandatory Assimilation for Immigrants seeking permanent residence or citizenship.
- To uphold the primacy of the European union, and to hold the nation states as subordinate entities.
Salus Republicae Ultima Ratio.
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Posted on Tue Feb 26, 2013 17:21:44
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By scorch2 [1484059]
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By scorch2 [1484059]
Agreed. Jimmy, you have no idea about wgat they are doing were I lived, if you seen it, you would be gobsmacked. |
Please, tell us what they were doing your racist clown. |
Again with the racist term, what now we are not allowed to criticise now? So whats the point of democracy if you continue to call anyone "racist" who mentions anything about religion or culture which they think is wrong? You left wingers are just using that term to scare people to stop them from thinking what they think, which is I belive is the same tactic that HITLER used in order to keep the masses quiet and to stop them standing up for the Jews. If you use that tactic to stop freedom of speech then your no better than a goddamn dictator. And what I am complaining about is that a huge population transfer has happened and its changed my city comepletly, I think its fine if only a few thousand came in but when people of a certain ethic group moves into a single city in huge numbers, it changes the culture of that area completly, making my culture feel inferior since I am the SOLE person who thinks arranged marriage is wrong in my collage. And whats worse is they dont INTERGRATE. My city have different areas, we have a indian section of the city, an african area, if thats intergration then I must be Donald f**king duck. |
Wow. You really had to ask what was stupid about this? You're talking about freedom of speech while saying that people shouldn't be allowed to call you racist. You compare 'the left' calling people racist to Hitler's tactics (automatic loss in an argument, by the way, playing the 'you're as bad as Hitler' card). Also, if calling someone a racist is a ploy to stop them from thinking something, what is comparing someone to Hitler? You don't seem to understand that countries were made and developed by many different people, it enriches the culture. You think that people having their own little communities equates to 'none of them intergrating' (while infact, many of them probably are but not with bigots (that's a good word for people who don't like people from a whole religion, by the way)). Your spelling and grammar is awful.
I can't believe it's 2013 and people still need the whole 'everyone is an individual' thing explained to them. Just because they believe in a religion or come from a country doesn't mean they are the same as other people you have met who believe in said religion or come from said country.
"We need to confront Islam" = "We need to confront a religion with a huge spectrum of people from fundamentalists to people comparable to the most slack Christians you can think of"
Are you the same as the queen of England or her dickhead husband?
Also, I hope- if you treasure British culture so, that you partake in morris dancing and listen to folk music. I'm serious. That is our tradition and it's wanky (well, I quite like folk music).
Sorry if this sounds harsh, you certainly have a right to say what you think but we have the right to point out that it sounds bigoted.
OT: I believe in equality and think it's a crying shame that it is an ideology reserved for Utopia. I chose left wing because that is what I was taught my beliefs are but it all depends on where you are on the scale while looking at it. My friends call me a hippy.
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Posted on Tue Feb 26, 2013 20:20:33
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No one who saw Rwanda and Bosnia, and understood what happened there, could possibly fail to understand that individuals seeing themselves as members of wonky little communities rather than as first and foremost part of an utterly monolithic Nation leads to genocide. In the case of Rwanda, a tribal war between two Tribes whose very ounding myth proclaims that their two tribal forefathers were twins!
Political loyalties must be undivided.
It is most unfortunate that too much of the modern left has abandoned its Jacobin Collectivist roots and instead pursues an agenda of Individualism and Hedonism, worthy of the most self-indulgent Country Club set. Or Bonus-fattened bankers, for that matter.
Finslly, such verbiage as 'her dickhead husband' cannot be ignored, fos such verbiage is NOT indicative of a spirit of docile submission to the Monarchy.
Either the progressives are absolutely loyal, even unto death,
or they should be put to death fortwith.
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Posted on Wed Feb 27, 2013 04:30:41
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By DarthBrogo [21801]
No one who saw Rwanda and Bosnia, and understood what happened there, could possibly fail to understand that individuals seeing themselves as members of wonky little communities rather than as first and foremost part of an utterly monolithic Nation leads to genocide. In the case of Rwanda, a tribal war between two Tribes whose very ounding myth proclaims that their two tribal forefathers were twins!
Political loyalties must be undivided.
It is most unfortunate that too much of the modern left has abandoned its Jacobin Collectivist roots and instead pursues an agenda of Individualism and Hedonism, worthy of the most self-indulgent Country Club set. Or Bonus-fattened bankers, for that matter.
Finslly, such verbiage as 'her dickhead husband' cannot be ignored, fos such verbiage is NOT indicative of a spirit of docile submission to the Monarchy.
Either the progressives are absolutely loyal, even unto death,
or they should be put to death fortwith.
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Individualism and hedonism is better, in my eyes, than materialism. The difference, again- as i see it, between bankers and country club owners (and the right in general *cough*) is that on the left, we tend to think happiness and pleasure should be shared by everyone. Hedonistic capitalists (for want of a better word (money= happiness to some)) believe that money should stay with the few.
I won't comment on Rwanda and Bosnia because I don't know anything about them but I do think "history repeats" doesn't allow for new things to happen, as they obviously do. Just because something happened with a certain set of perameters does not mean it will always happen like this in the future, when those parameters are changed.
Her husband is a dickhead. I'm not a monarchist, I don't like the monarchy at all, in fact. People moved away from the monarchy when they took away its power, I don't see why people should cling on to them.
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Posted on Wed Feb 27, 2013 05:23:59
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By DarthBrogo [21801]
No one who saw Rwanda and Bosnia, and understood what happened there, could possibly fail to understand that individuals seeing themselves as members of wonky little communities rather than as first and foremost part of an utterly monolithic Nation leads to genocide. In the case of Rwanda, a tribal war between two Tribes whose very ounding myth proclaims that their two tribal forefathers were twins!
Political loyalties must be undivided.
It is most unfortunate that too much of the modern left has abandoned its Jacobin Collectivist roots and instead pursues an agenda of Individualism and Hedonism, worthy of the most self-indulgent Country Club set. Or Bonus-fattened bankers, for that matter.
Finslly, such verbiage as 'her dickhead husband' cannot be ignored, fos such verbiage is NOT indicative of a spirit of docile submission to the Monarchy.
Either the progressives are absolutely loyal, even unto death,
or they should be put to death fortwith.
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Individualism and hedonism is better, in my eyes, than materialism. The difference, again- as i see it, between bankers and country club owners (and the right in general *cough*) is that on the left, we tend to think happiness and pleasure should be shared by everyone. Hedonistic capitalists (for want of a better word (money= happiness to some)) believe that money should stay with the few.
I won't comment on Rwanda and Bosnia because I don't know anything about them but I do think "history repeats" doesn't allow for new things to happen, as they obviously do. Just because something happened with a certain set of perameters does not mean it will always happen like this in the future, when those parameters are changed.
Her husband is a dickhead. I'm not a monarchist, I don't like the monarchy at all, in fact. People moved away from the monarchy when they took away its power, I don't see why people should cling on to them. |
To debate the difference between Hedonism and Materialism is to debate the difference between syphilis and gonorhea. Neither can be deemed acceptable.
If History has taught us one thing in the twentith century it is simply this: whoeverso has the slightest Notion of social modernisation, let him be accursed. It certainly is the task of those in Authority to make absolutely sure that New Things do NOT occur, to enforce Stasis.
To even murmur against one's betters ( whch is certainly not my unworthy self, but certainly the Monarchy ) is sedition. Such acts must be penalised, and severely so.
You may think that Equality is utopic, I may think it is dystopic, but certainly we must concur that the thing does not actually exist. Egalitarianism, by all means, Equality, no way. Diversity must be stamped out!
By nature ( or perhaps by education ), I am a republican. But it is an unfortunate fact that a Republic cannot prosper when men seek to profit from it, rather than treat it as an object of devotion to which they give selflessly, most of all their very liveblood. ( Insert picture of Poniatowsky at the Elster )
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Death_of_Poniatowski.jpg )
'God entrusted me the Honour of Poland - to Him I return it!
The ideal, good, positive Republic ( as I found ) only existed in Livy's Annals. In reality, its electorate was a deplorable bunch of pettyfoggers, as bad as the 'Democrats'of Athens who voted themselves the right to levy tribute on all other Greeks and thus caused the Peloponessic War, which destroyed Greece, including Athens. A Republic demands a ruthless Jacobin Egalitarianism,in which daring to be different from the Norm carries lethal consequences.
( Evidence for my assertion that the Roman Republic was not-so-nice-at-all and obtuse: the Socii War. Having provoked a senseless semi-civil War, and even having won, the Republic finally conceded after the Peace that the Republic could only be maintained if Citizenship was not confined to the few living on those 7 Hills, but had to be the birthright of Italics who after all, shared in the burdens of the State )
By having a Monarchy, the number of people who can benefit from the State is minimised.
The Purpose of the State is neither Pleasure nor Happiness, and therefore distribution of such is no object of State Policy.
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Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain |
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By DarthBrogo [21801]
No one who saw Rwanda and Bosnia, and understood what happened there, could possibly fail to understand that individuals seeing themselves as members of wonky little communities rather than as first and foremost part of an utterly monolithic Nation leads to genocide. In the case of Rwanda, a tribal war between two Tribes whose very ounding myth proclaims that their two tribal forefathers were twins!
Political loyalties must be undivided.
It is most unfortunate that too much of the modern left has abandoned its Jacobin Collectivist roots and instead pursues an agenda of Individualism and Hedonism, worthy of the most self-indulgent Country Club set. Or Bonus-fattened bankers, for that matter.
Finslly, such verbiage as 'her dickhead husband' cannot be ignored, fos such verbiage is NOT indicative of a spirit of docile submission to the Monarchy.
Either the progressives are absolutely loyal, even unto death,
or they should be put to death fortwith.
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Individualism and hedonism is better, in my eyes, than materialism. The difference, again- as i see it, between bankers and country club owners (and the right in general *cough*) is that on the left, we tend to think happiness and pleasure should be shared by everyone. Hedonistic capitalists (for want of a better word (money= happiness to some)) believe that money should stay with the few.
I won't comment on Rwanda and Bosnia because I don't know anything about them but I do think "history repeats" doesn't allow for new things to happen, as they obviously do. Just because something happened with a certain set of perameters does not mean it will always happen like this in the future, when those parameters are changed.
Her husband is a dickhead. I'm not a monarchist, I don't like the monarchy at all, in fact. People moved away from the monarchy when they took away its power, I don't see why people should cling on to them. |
To debate the difference between Hedonism and Materialism is to debate the difference between syphilis and gonorhea. Neither can be deemed acceptable.
If History has taught us one thing in the twentith century it is simply this: whoeverso has the slightest Notion of social modernisation, let him be accursed. It certainly is the task of those in Authority to make absolutely sure that New Things do NOT occur, to enforce Stasis.
To even murmur against one's betters ( whch is certainly not my unworthy self, but certainly the Monarchy ) is sedition. Such acts must be penalised, and severely so.
You may think that Equality is utopic, I may think it is dystopic, but certainly we must concur that the thing does not actually exist. Egalitarianism, by all means, Equality, no way. Diversity must be stamped out!
By nature ( or perhaps by education ), I am a republican. But it is an unfortunate fact that a Republic cannot prosper when men seek to profit from it, rather than treat it as an object of devotion to which they give selflessly, most of all their very liveblood. ( Insert picture of Poniatowsky at the Elster )
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Death_of_Poniatowski.jpg )
'God entrusted me the Honour of Poland - to Him I return it!
The ideal, good, positive Republic ( as I found ) only existed in Livy's Annals. In reality, its electorate was a deplorable bunch of pettyfoggers, as bad as the 'Democrats'of Athens who voted themselves the right to levy tribute on all other Greeks and thus caused the Peloponessic War, which destroyed Greece, including Athens. A Republic demands a ruthless Jacobin Egalitarianism,in which daring to be different from the Norm carries lethal consequences.
( Evidence for my assertion that the Roman Republic was not-so-nice-at-all and obtuse: the Socii War. Having provoked a senseless semi-civil War, and even having won, the Republic finally conceded after the Peace that the Republic could only be maintained if Citizenship was not confined to the few living on those 7 Hills, but had to be the birthright of Italics who after all, shared in the burdens of the State )
By having a Monarchy, the number of people who can benefit from the State is minimised.
The Purpose of the State is neither Pleasure nor Happiness, and therefore distribution of such is no object of State Policy. |
First off, I don't believe the monarchy are 'my betters'. Perhaps they have been better educated, they want to be considering the money they have to educate themselves (I don't see the princes in public school- that would have been a show of faith) but I had more sensitivity in my little finger than prince Harry has ever shown, when I was his age. He is a mong and it is scary that if 3 people died he would be king of the land. If I were given millions each year just 'to be' I'm pretty damned sure I would do a load of charity too. The work that most of the monarchy does is simply to remain in favour with the masses.
Speaking out about the injustices in society should not be punished and I don't even believe that would make a more solid foundation for those who are leading. It would develop into revolutions, which we all know are bloody affairs. I'm a bit confused by what you mean by 'Jacobin Egalitarianism', because I thought that would make all people equal, in some way, the exact opposite of what you are saying in regards to the monarchy. I don't believe we have egalitarianism now, because the power is still in the 'ruling classes'. I might be wrong, please explain that to me if you like.
Why does having a monarchy minimise the amount of people who can benefit from the state?
I actually do believe that part of the state's duty should be to distribute pleasure and happiness. For example, I agree with state funded theatre and cultural activities, which has a target (one of many) of bringing pleasure to the people. Or publically owned parks. I understand that there are more pressing matters such as national defense, education and medical affairs but I don't think this negates the importance of a happy society.
Things change constantly, I think our social system is plagued by people digging their heels into the ground and saying "this is how it is now, this is how it stays". I think that most of the people who do this are the ones who have the most to protect, if they really thought that, given even footing, they would be able to rebuild their positions (i.e, they weren't at risk), they would be open to change too. Nepotism runs wild in politics and within the upper classes, I think this is really sad.
What do you think is more important than living a happy life, by the way?
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Posted on Wed Feb 27, 2013 08:44:28
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Hahahaha, I managed to quote myself instead of editing.
Anyway, the only minor change was 'state school' not 'public school'.
I have to do some work, I'll respond later- this is quite fun.
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Posted on Wed Feb 27, 2013 09:21:37
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May I start with saying that while vehemently disagreeing, I rather like a number of your arguments.
First: the People know who the Monarchs are, while they will have little idea, I guess, who you or I are. Ergo they outrank us in esteem, and are our betters. If you believe they are not, observe how maypeople DO treat them with reference, and estimate how many would give you the same respect.
It behoves then, to obedient and docile, and even subservient. For both of us, let that be plain.
Second: I advocate a stolid acceptance of the social order. The purpose of the State to maintain, and not rectify. Social matters do not belong to the State. Warfare and Law and Order do.
Third: by narrowing down categories of the stake holders, we automaticlly shrink the number of possible recipients of munificence ( I do not mean welfare, I mean the larger sums ). Ideally, I'd hope for zero, but wont happen. Closing all Offices to those who do not take an oath of Obedience and Poverty would be nice too.
Fourth: A repeat in a sense - as long as such matters as Law and Order are NOT adequately done, we need more focus. Although a very good case can be made for such things as theaters. There are other areas like that.
Fifth: Salus Republicae Ultima Ratio: The safety of the Republic is the ULTIMATE purpose, and not the wellbeing of idividuals. The Collective must reign supreme over the individual.
I'd be happy enough to treat Nepotism as just another instance of Treason.
Sixth: what the individual wants out of life is a matter of no concern to the State - how rhe individual serves the State is the ONLY matter of concern.
This ties in with the previous debate about confronting Islam,at home I guess, in which I take no sides.
Either Muslims in Britain are completely loyal servants of the State, or their existence cannot be tolerated.
But surely that is not just limited to Muslims.
Ask not what your country can do you fo you.
Ask what what you can do for your country.
Last Edited: Wed Feb 27, 2013 09:31:05
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