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Posted on Wed Apr 25, 2012 17:55:39
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By TedThomas [887131]
But you are right, it makes much more sense that this girl is going to risk going to jail to completely make up a story (that conveniently matches up to phone records) so she can send a complete stranger to jail for life because she actually knows that her boyfriend went to go beat Zimmerman to death and just wants to make her dead boyfriend look better on the news.
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I'm just really surprised why you think that would be so surprising. Victim's families/friends want justice. They want to see someone get arrested for the crime, and they want their friend/family member to be innocent and not the one who did the wrong-doing or brought it on himself.
I mean, is that really the most surprising thing? Or here's a better question... since when are family/friends of a victim NOT biased? Haven't you ever seen almost any trial or press conference where the family of even someone convicted of murder, beyond any doubt, still support them?
I'm not saying what your arguing is wrong... but you're certainly going about it in a weird way.
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Posted on Wed Apr 25, 2012 18:01:40
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By _TheCrow_ [686314]
Funny how the neighbors that Zimmerman had apparently harassed for years in his quest to be a cop and who were actually there when shit went down are agree with Zimmermans account of what happened, but in your opinion eye witnesses are full of shit and are notoriously wrong, yet someone on the phone who was involved with Trayvon and would probably like to see Z punished for Trayvons death is the only person that has any credibility in your opinion.
And everyone still wants to think that Zimmerman chased the boy down and didn't listen to 911 tell him "we don't need you to do that" (which also "don't need" is not the same as "do not do it" but anyways) yet in the 911 call you can here Zimmerman say ok when the dispatcher tells him that and his breathing becomes normal again after. Also you can clearly tell when Zimmerman gets out of his car in the audio. Zimmerman wasn't told he shouldn't follow until AFTER he had already left his car. So no Ted, he wasn't told not to follow and THEN got out of his vehicle and followed the guy. He was already out of the car and running and you can hear his breathing change, then when told they didn't need him to follow, he said "ok" and you can hear his breathing return to normal.
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What neighbors? There was one neighbor who sort of corroborates his story said that at one point he saw Treyvon on top of Zimmerman, which doesnt really mean anything because they were rolling around on the grass so they were both on top of each other at some point and he didnt see who started it.
You cant believe the witnesses over the girlfriend because they have nothing to do with each other. She was the only one other than Martin who has any idea what could have happened before the fighting and the other witnesses saw what happened after the fighting. They dont conflict with each other because they are accounts from different periods of time.
The only person's story it conflicts with is Zimmerman's; you know, the guy who if his story doesnt look like he didnt do anything he is going to go to jail and you want to give a free pass to even though you dont know him. Yet you would rather believe that a 17 year old girl just made up a story that she will have to risk perjuring herself on a witness stand to protect in order to send a complete stranger to jail for life, so she can make her dead boyfriend look better. Despite the fact it makes no sense that Treyvon would run away from Zimmerman and instead of going home, turn around and go back so he can go start a fight with him.
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Posted on Wed Apr 25, 2012 18:08:08
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But you are right, it makes much more sense that this girl is going to risk going to jail to completely make up a story (that conveniently matches up to phone records) so she can send a complete stranger to jail for life because she actually knows that her boyfriend went to go beat Zimmerman to death and just wants to make her dead boyfriend look better on the news.
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I'm just really surprised why you think that would be so surprising. Victim's families/friends want justice. They want to see someone get arrested for the crime, and they want their friend/family member to be innocent and not the one who did the wrong-doing or brought it on himself.
I mean, is that really the most surprising thing? Or here's a better question... since when are family/friends of a victim NOT biased? Haven't you ever seen almost any trial or press conference where the family of even someone convicted of murder, beyond any doubt, still support them?
I'm not saying what your arguing is wrong... but you're certainly going about it in a weird way. |
What is weird about it.
What makes more sense. Treyvon ran away from Zimmerman and as he walked backed to his car, he came back and started a fight with him unprovoked, or that Zimmerman didnt want to wait for the police so he confronted him to see what he was doing (which he had a history of doing) and a fight happened.
Im not saying she couldnt have lied, I am saying it is more likely that Zimmerman is lying because if it looks like he went and confronted him he is the aggressor and doesnt really have a strong case for self defense. Versus a girl who tells a more plausible story and is putting herself at risk of going to jail herself just to make her boyfriend look better.
Zimmerman has 1000x more reason to lie about it. Maybe if there was anything that didnt match up with her story (like phone records that say she was on the phone up until minutes before Treyvon got shot, which they found out was true after she told her story) and it didnt make complete sense (unlike Zimmerman's) there would be a reason to believe Zimmerman over her.
I dont get why the whole conservative movement is going out of their way to defend this guy. Well, the main reason behind it is that Republicans are the one's who put these stupid laws in to effect in the first place (which were actually the brainchild of corporations like Walmart so they can limit their liability in lawsuits) and they are trying to protect their interests , but I dont really get why "normal" people are buying into it.
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Posted on Wed Apr 25, 2012 18:42:30
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First off, I'm not defending him. I'm also not telling you her story doesn't make sense. As usual, you are just arguing with yourself, because not once have I said her story doesn't make sense.
I'm just saying it's weird how you think victims' friends and families wouldn't go out of their way to lash out against whoever was being accused of it. It's actually not that uncommon. In this case, I think the girlfriend is probably telling the truth... but for you to say "what reason does she have to be biased? is... well... pretty silly.
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Posted on Wed Apr 25, 2012 18:50:26
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I didnt say that, there you go putting words in my mouth again. You quoted me saying something I never said.
I said it is more likely that Zimmerman is lying because he has more reason to lie, like 5 times.
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Posted on Wed Apr 25, 2012 21:56:57
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So the girl whose boyfriend is already dead and doesnt really have a reason to make up a story is biased but the guy who might go to jail if he doesnt look like he was defending himself (and whose story is doesnt make sense) isnt.
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By TedThomas [887131]
I have a tendency to believe the girlfriend who was on the phone with Treyvon over the person trying to save his ass |
It seems you're not exactly accepting to the belief a victim's family/friends would be just as biased to get the person charged with the crime arrested. you're absolutely right that the person being arrested is trying to save his ass, but it's the same thing really. As I said, in this case the girlfriend probably is telling the truth, but flat out stating she has no reason to be biased or want to see the accused criminal arrested... you're insane.
In other words, the girl has JUST as much of a reason to be biased in her own way as Zimmerman does.
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Posted on Thu Apr 26, 2012 00:41:05
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As you wish...
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So the girl whose boyfriend is already dead and doesnt really have a reason to make up a story is biased but the guy who might go to jail if he doesnt look like he was defending himself (and whose story is doesnt make sense) isnt.
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By TedThomas [887131]
I have a tendency to believe the girlfriend who was on the phone with Treyvon over the person trying to save his ass |
It seems you're not exactly accepting to the belief a victim's family/friends would be just as biased to get the person charged with the crime arrested. you're absolutely right that the person being arrested is trying to save his ass, but it's the same thing really. As I said, in this case the girlfriend probably is telling the truth, but flat out stating she has no reason to be biased or want to see the accused criminal arrested... you're insane.
In other words, the girl has JUST as much of a reason to be biased in her own way as Zimmerman does.
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It isnt just as biased, give me a break. Maybe if Treyvon was still alive or Zimmerman was the one that ended up dead so she needed to lie to get keep him out of jail, then maybe you would have a point. She has really nothing to gain for making up a story other than the possibilty of going to jail or getting sued by Zimmerman.
Lying to save your ass and lying to make your dead boyfriend look better are not even remotely on equal footing.
I didnt say she had no reason, I said she doesnt really (which doesnt mean 0) have a reason to make it up because she doesnt gain anything. I didnt say there is no possibilty that she could have lied and I didnt say she wasnt biased. Being biased and completely making up a story to put someone you know didnt start anything in jail arent the same thing.
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Well Torn has finally gave me permission to speak again and I really couldn't wait to venture in to this thread, so this may take a while.... too many things to say to respond to you all individually so here goes..
1) Enough with the continuous "little ole 4'9 92lb 11 year old Trayvon Martin who was murdered in cold blood by that 6'15 598lb racist behemoth that is George Zimmerman". I know the media wishes they could portray it like this
but no, reality is a different story. Trayvon was a grown ass dude just like Zimmerman. He wasn't still some "angelic" looking child in a black and white photo looking all innocent in a hoodie nor was he a preteen with a dashing grin like the only other photo the media shoves down your throat. And Zimmerman wasn't some hulking brute that looks like a convict like the photos want to shove down your throat.
Looks a helluva lot smaller than the 5'10 250lb brute that I've been hearing all about. You ask me he looks like a skinny little dude and the suit don't fit (EL, I know you're gonna love that "See, he's a skinny little bitch who felt like he was tough cause of the gun" even though you've said befor that his "fat ass could have tossed Trayvon around if he wanted but he's just a big pussy with a gun" so like I told you numerous times, size don't mean shit and isn't a factor).
People need to quit swallowing the shit the media is feeding. The size, color and age of these guys don't mean shit. In a case of murder or self defense, what the hell do their looks have to do with anything? Yet the media is spoon feeding everyone this David Vs Goliath story where Goliath comes out alive but is the bad guy because of it even though no one knows if Goliath was defending himself or not, yet David is shown to be as innocent as Jesus in the manger...
2) Profiling? We all profile. I've had cops called on me and been followed numerous times by cops and normal people for being tattooed and scarred up. And? Do I go attacking people for following me when even I know I look suspect? Um, no I carry about my business and if I get questioned I respond, I don't slam peoples heads into the ground. If I saw someone like me walking BEHIND and between houses in a gated community I'd say it was suspect especially if there had been NUMEROUS break ins in that area recently. Call it profiling, call it prejudging call it whatever you want, but a bad element looks like a bad element and we all know that when we see it we question it. Yet somehow in this case it becomes racist and illegal just because the media is throwing it in our face as a hate crime. So yeah maybe Zimmerman did technically profile Trayvon but who hasn't been profiled and who hasn't profiled others?
Should we just not report anyone because we've prejudged them and/or profiled them? Should we not report ANY suspicious activity just to prevent profiling? "Well that kid has constructed bombs in his basement and has blueprints of his high school, but who are we to judge? It might just be coincidence... lets see if something blows up first and then we'll call him trouble".... Sure thats drastic, but what happens EVERY time a kids shoots up a school? "they should have seen the signs.." What signs? A teen that hates their school and/or life? Well thats atleast 60% of kids everywhere, so they are prejudging the majority of high school students, yet if one man prejudged 1 other man it becomes wrong and racial just because the media and Sharpton want attention and want to make things racial? Gimme a f**kin break....
3) Is there a such thing as self defense anymore? I'm not talking about the "Well he was being looked at so he had the right to whoop that dudes ass" self defense, I'm talking about real self defense. I know if I was getting my head slammed into the ground I'm gonna grab the hardest or sharpest thing near me and swing. There's a point where a "scuffle" turns into much worse and people tend to forget that. Winning a fight used to be knocking someone out or landing the most blows befor someone breaks up the fight.... but there was no one stopping this altercation and slamming someones head into the ground is too much. NO ONE can say that Trayvon would have stopped slamming Zimmerman's head on the ground befor going too far.
People get beaten to death all the time and people say and wish that those people could have been able to defend themselves better and now theres a situation where someone POSSIBLY (possibly because we don't know everything yet but imho it looks like self defense) had the ability to defend themselves yet is being vilified for it just because the media took it upon themselves to choose who the victim was befor they knew all the facts and they've already made most of us choose a side.
4) Irony. First this was a hate crime when the media said "A 28 yo white man shot a 17 yo African American child" and Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Obama, Holder, etc. jumped on it. Then it became a "white-hispanic" (anyone else hear of that term befor this? Just saying) who shot him and the thunder died down a little. Then everyone said he was racist when MSNBC released altered clips of the 911 calls as well as everyone wanting to think he said 'coons' and then the shit hit the fan. "OH NO!! We think that racist bastard said coon, it's on now!" and he's lynched AGAIN for it, while shit like
is perfectly fine... And dead or alive bounties by a racist organization like the 'New Black Panther Party' are ok right?
Funny thing is, Eric Holder wants this investigated as something racist even though not all of the facts are in yet and from what has been shown so far it appears to be a case of self defense, yet Holder won't bat an eyelash about a known racist organization like the NBPP putting dead or alive bounties on someone.... and lets not even include the Twitter lynch mob begging/demanding Zimmermans death. So Holder is condemning someone in a possible self defense case, yet ignoring death threats and bounties? Great AG we have on justices side now isn't it?
5) More Irony- Funny how some of these posters to this thread say that Zimmerman was a "pussy with a gun", yet in another thread mentioned "strapping up like I used to". Hypocrite much? Just because you have a bias view on the situation, you have judged the dude even though you are admitting to having been a thug with a gun... what right have you to say ANYTHING about someone carrying a gun when you have admitted to carrying one WITH ill intent?
Anyways, thats my 2 cents on this shit. Let the facts come out and if it's murder then it's murder, if it's self defense then it's self defense... But don't be so close minded as to not acknowledge any evidence thrown at you that doesn't agree with your personal bias. SO FAR, the facts look like self defence IMHO, and I may be wrong but atleast I can acknowledge that I may be wrong, but most of you would have had this man sentenced to death without knowing ANYTHING if you had the power. |
Lordy.
I had wrote a long ass post, then erased it. You rehash, back peddle, and bring up silly shit that was covered before your little forum jail sentence. I'm not going over this again.
That pic you showed of Zimmerman in court? lol He lost weight....right? His own people spoke about it before his arrest. Research your shit first.
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Posted on Thu Apr 26, 2012 02:16:18
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By TedThomas [887131]
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The fact that you actually believe that this would have happened if this was a white 17 year old in a hoodie walking down the street talking to his girlfriend in a gated community is laughable.
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the fact this is the way you think, shows just how ignorant you are.
Oh, and by the way a gated community has security....with REAL authority.....
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Posted on Thu Apr 26, 2012 03:15:03
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The fact that you actually believe that this would have happened if this was a white 17 year old in a hoodie walking down the street talking to his girlfriend in a gated community is laughable.
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the fact this is the way you think, shows just how ignorant you are.
Oh, and by the way a gated community has security....with REAL authority..... |
By the way, gated communities dont always have security. Some of them just have gates with a password, hence the word gate in the name.
Ignorant to the guy that judging people based on stereotypes doesnt exist anymore. Now that's a laugh... 
| 2) Profiling? We all profile. I've had cops called on me and been followed numerous times by cops and normal people for being tattooed and scarred up. And? Do I go attacking people for following me when even I know I look suspect? |
So being black is the same as you choosing to make yourself look sketchy and they should just expect to get harassed... That's an interesting way to put it?
So I guess you would react the same to a complete stranger with no authority to harass you than you would with a cop right. You just do whatever any random person on the street walks up and tells you to do right?
I personally got in a fight with a plain clothes cop who didnt identify he was a cop and grabbed me at a baseball game....But hey, I guess that's just me. I guess its just that Im a psycho hood gangsta for not letting people I dont know grab me and tell me what to do, big ups yo.
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Well Torn has finally gave me permission to speak again and I really couldn't wait to venture in to this thread, so this may take a while.... too many things to say to respond to you all individually so here goes..
1) Enough with the continuous "little ole 4'9 92lb 11 year old Trayvon Martin who was murdered in cold blood by that 6'15 598lb racist behemoth that is George Zimmerman". I know the media wishes they could portray it like this
but no, reality is a different story. Trayvon was a grown ass dude just like Zimmerman. He wasn't still some "angelic" looking child in a black and white photo looking all innocent in a hoodie nor was he a preteen with a dashing grin like the only other photo the media shoves down your throat. And Zimmerman wasn't some hulking brute that looks like a convict like the photos want to shove down your throat.
Looks a helluva lot smaller than the 5'10 250lb brute that I've been hearing all about. You ask me he looks like a skinny little dude and the suit don't fit (EL, I know you're gonna love that "See, he's a skinny little bitch who felt like he was tough cause of the gun" even though you've said befor that his "fat ass could have tossed Trayvon around if he wanted but he's just a big pussy with a gun" so like I told you numerous times, size don't mean shit and isn't a factor).
People need to quit swallowing the shit the media is feeding. The size, color and age of these guys don't mean shit. In a case of murder or self defense, what the hell do their looks have to do with anything? Yet the media is spoon feeding everyone this David Vs Goliath story where Goliath comes out alive but is the bad guy because of it even though no one knows if Goliath was defending himself or not, yet David is shown to be as innocent as Jesus in the manger...
2) Profiling? We all profile. I've had cops called on me and been followed numerous times by cops and normal people for being tattooed and scarred up. And? Do I go attacking people for following me when even I know I look suspect? Um, no I carry about my business and if I get questioned I respond, I don't slam peoples heads into the ground. If I saw someone like me walking BEHIND and between houses in a gated community I'd say it was suspect especially if there had been NUMEROUS break ins in that area recently. Call it profiling, call it prejudging call it whatever you want, but a bad element looks like a bad element and we all know that when we see it we question it. Yet somehow in this case it becomes racist and illegal just because the media is throwing it in our face as a hate crime. So yeah maybe Zimmerman did technically profile Trayvon but who hasn't been profiled and who hasn't profiled others?
Should we just not report anyone because we've prejudged them and/or profiled them? Should we not report ANY suspicious activity just to prevent profiling? "Well that kid has constructed bombs in his basement and has blueprints of his high school, but who are we to judge? It might just be coincidence... lets see if something blows up first and then we'll call him trouble".... Sure thats drastic, but what happens EVERY time a kids shoots up a school? "they should have seen the signs.." What signs? A teen that hates their school and/or life? Well thats atleast 60% of kids everywhere, so they are prejudging the majority of high school students, yet if one man prejudged 1 other man it becomes wrong and racial just because the media and Sharpton want attention and want to make things racial? Gimme a f**kin break....
3) Is there a such thing as self defense anymore? I'm not talking about the "Well he was being looked at so he had the right to whoop that dudes ass" self defense, I'm talking about real self defense. I know if I was getting my head slammed into the ground I'm gonna grab the hardest or sharpest thing near me and swing. There's a point where a "scuffle" turns into much worse and people tend to forget that. Winning a fight used to be knocking someone out or landing the most blows befor someone breaks up the fight.... but there was no one stopping this altercation and slamming someones head into the ground is too much. NO ONE can say that Trayvon would have stopped slamming Zimmerman's head on the ground befor going too far.
People get beaten to death all the time and people say and wish that those people could have been able to defend themselves better and now theres a situation where someone POSSIBLY (possibly because we don't know everything yet but imho it looks like self defense) had the ability to defend themselves yet is being vilified for it just because the media took it upon themselves to choose who the victim was befor they knew all the facts and they've already made most of us choose a side.
4) Irony. First this was a hate crime when the media said "A 28 yo white man shot a 17 yo African American child" and Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Obama, Holder, etc. jumped on it. Then it became a "white-hispanic" (anyone else hear of that term befor this? Just saying) who shot him and the thunder died down a little. Then everyone said he was racist when MSNBC released altered clips of the 911 calls as well as everyone wanting to think he said 'coons' and then the shit hit the fan. "OH NO!! We think that racist bastard said coon, it's on now!" and he's lynched AGAIN for it, while shit like
is perfectly fine... And dead or alive bounties by a racist organization like the 'New Black Panther Party' are ok right?
Funny thing is, Eric Holder wants this investigated as something racist even though not all of the facts are in yet and from what has been shown so far it appears to be a case of self defense, yet Holder won't bat an eyelash about a known racist organization like the NBPP putting dead or alive bounties on someone.... and lets not even include the Twitter lynch mob begging/demanding Zimmermans death. So Holder is condemning someone in a possible self defense case, yet ignoring death threats and bounties? Great AG we have on justices side now isn't it?
5) More Irony- Funny how some of these posters to this thread say that Zimmerman was a "pussy with a gun", yet in another thread mentioned "strapping up like I used to". Hypocrite much? Just because you have a bias view on the situation, you have judged the dude even though you are admitting to having been a thug with a gun... what right have you to say ANYTHING about someone carrying a gun when you have admitted to carrying one WITH ill intent?
Anyways, thats my 2 cents on this shit. Let the facts come out and if it's murder then it's murder, if it's self defense then it's self defense... But don't be so close minded as to not acknowledge any evidence thrown at you that doesn't agree with your personal bias. SO FAR, the facts look like self defence IMHO, and I may be wrong but atleast I can acknowledge that I may be wrong, but most of you would have had this man sentenced to death without knowing ANYTHING if you had the power. |
Lordy.
I had wrote a long ass post, then erased it. You rehash, back peddle, and bring up silly shit that was covered before your little forum jail sentence. I'm not going over this again.
That pic you showed of Zimmerman in court? lol He lost weight....right? His own people spoke about it before his arrest. Research your shit first.
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Rehash what? That it could be self defense? You excluded self defense ignorantly because you thought someone of Zimmermans size could toss around someone Trayvons size... how ignorant is that to begin with? And now that we see more recent pictures of both all you can say is Zimmerman lost weight? Of course he lost weight, he probably can't even visit a gas station without someone wanting him dead. But you wanna act like he lost 100+ lbs befor court when the damn police department pictures were the night of the incident and he still looked small.... did he lose 75lbs from the crime scene to the police department?
If 250lbs fit into that 5'9 frame without looking atleast somewhat obese then I'm a 7'8" 600lb Norwegian named Muhamid Acbar Fahqyomomma.
And the picture we always see of Trayvon, guess what? That angelic little boy grew into a man, imagine that? I know it's crazy to fathom the thought of someone growing and changing from a picture taken 7 years ago especially in a world where someone can lose 100lbs in a short drive to a police station but it actually happened. Crazy right?
Notice though how people like you and Ted ignore ALL facts that don't suite your agenda, you accuse EVERYONE who doesn't agree with you as having an agenda..... yeah I didn't see that coming *eye roll*...
On a side note, I would love to know what you 2 think about the Mobile, Alabama man getting beaten by 15+ black guys who REPORTEDLY (by 2-3 scared witnesses) yelled "now thats justice for Trayvon" after they beat him nearly to death. I guess thats just a "shit happens" kinda thing right? How about the 78 year old beaten? How about the Baltimore tourist beaten and stripped in public because he was drunk and had a nice watch? Shit happens right? And shit happened to a white couple where they were raped, tortured, castrated,etc. and subsequently murdered by 6 black people and no one heard about it until the Trayvon case.... Yet 1 altercation in Florida attracts national attention because his family doesn't believe its possible that it MAY have been self defense. And you bastards wanna talk about an agenda and the media hiding shit?
f**k being PC, I'm done with that...
Yeah maybe in the 50's and 60's people were hush hush about injustices done against black people, but these days it's the opposite. Black on black crime is nearly at an all time high, but Trayvon killing Trayvon doesn't make the news because it "gives them a bad rep".... And Trayvon killing George doesn't make headlines because "it promotes an agenda".... but when George kills Trayvon, "OH HELL NAH, THATS RACIST!!!".... Kinda speaks for itself.... You and Ted won't admit it but its true.
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[quote]By TedThomas [887131]
The fact that you actually believe that this would have happened if this was a white 17 year old in a hoodie walking down the street talking to his girlfriend in a gated community is laughable.
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the fact this is the way you think, shows just how ignorant you are.
Oh, and by the way a gated community has security....with REAL authority..... |
By the way, gated communities dont always have security. Some of them just have gates with a password, hence the word gate in the name.
Ignorant to the guy that judging people based on stereotypes doesnt exist anymore. Now that's a laugh...
| 2) Profiling? We all profile. I've had cops called on me and been followed numerous times by cops and normal people for being tattooed and scarred up. And? Do I go attacking people for following me when even I know I look suspect? |
So being black is the same as you choosing to make yourself look sketchy and they should just expect to get harassed... That's an interesting way to put it?
So I guess you would react the same to a complete stranger with no authority to harass you than you would with a cop right. You just do whatever any random person on the street walks up and tells you to do right?
I personally got in a fight with a plain clothes cop who didnt identify he was a cop and grabbed me at a baseball game....But hey, I guess that's just me. I guess its just that Im a psycho hood gangsta for not letting people I dont know grab me and tell me what to do, big ups yo. |
No you're not a "psycho hood gangsta", but you're a dumb ass aggressor if you attack someone for questioning you. Being asked questions and being grabbed on the arm is not an excuse for trying to bash someones head into the ground. Had he tackled you and tried to cuff you or something it would be different, but to be asked questions or grabbed on the arm does not constitute beating someones head in.
SOOOOOO MUCH irony at play here when people act like they are justified for attacking someone who followed or questioned them. So it's COMPLETELY WRONG to watch, question or follow someone, but it's ok to beat the hell out of someone? REALLY?!? Following someone should result in your ass getting beat but if the person who's ass your beating defends them self then it's wrong???? WTF?!?
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The fact that you actually believe that this would have happened if this was a white 17 year old in a hoodie walking down the street talking to his girlfriend in a gated community is laughable.
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the fact this is the way you think, shows just how ignorant you are.
Oh, and by the way a gated community has security....with REAL authority..... |
By the way, gated communities dont always have security. Some of them just have gates with a password, hence the word gate in the name.
Ignorant to the guy that judging people based on stereotypes doesnt exist anymore. Now that's a laugh...
| 2) Profiling? We all profile. I've had cops called on me and been followed numerous times by cops and normal people for being tattooed and scarred up. And? Do I go attacking people for following me when even I know I look suspect? |
So being black is the same as you choosing to make yourself look sketchy and they should just expect to get harassed... That's an interesting way to put it?
So I guess you would react the same to a complete stranger with no authority to harass you than you would with a cop right. You just do whatever any random person on the street walks up and tells you to do right?
I personally got in a fight with a plain clothes cop who didnt identify he was a cop and grabbed me at a baseball game....But hey, I guess that's just me. I guess its just that Im a psycho hood gangsta for not letting people I dont know grab me and tell me what to do, big ups yo. |
No you're not a "psycho hood gangsta", but you're a dumb ass aggressor if you attack someone for questioning you. Being asked questions and being grabbed on the arm is not an excuse for trying to bash someones head into the ground. Had he tackled you and tried to cuff you or something it would be different, but to be asked questions or grabbed on the arm does not constitute beating someones head in.
SOOOOOO MUCH irony at play here when people act like they are justified for attacking someone who followed or questioned them. So it's COMPLETELY WRONG to watch, question or follow someone, but it's ok to beat the hell out of someone? REALLY?!? Following someone should result in your ass getting beat but if the person who's ass your beating defends them self then it's wrong???? WTF?!? |
So not ok to punch a complete stranger who has no authority to detain you, but ok to shoot someone for punching you. Got it.
What I think is ironic is that you think its perfectly fine to harass and shoot people, but punching someone where you draw the line...You are a twisted little man.
Sounds like a good plan. Go out and piss someone off you dont like to the point the punch you, then shoot them in the face. Sounds fair.
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Rehash what? That it could be self defense? You excluded self defense ignorantly because you thought someone of Zimmermans size could toss around someone Trayvons size... how ignorant is that to begin with? And now that we see more recent pictures of both all you can say is Zimmerman lost weight? Of course he lost weight, he probably can't even visit a gas station without someone wanting him dead. But you wanna act like he lost 100+ lbs befor court when the damn police department pictures were the night of the incident and he still looked small.... did he lose 75lbs from the crime scene to the police department? |
Here's what I know:
You're a white boy from Texas. And I'd wager between you & me, you've never shot at anyone or shot anyone. Maybe you should threaten me like you did Ted lol? I mentioned Zimmerman lost weight because you, yes, your 5th grade educated ass brought up him being 250 lbs that "you've been hearing about" & I flat out told you that he'd lost weight. Had you known that, you would've spoken about it. You didn't. Case closed.
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If 250lbs fit into that 5'9 frame without looking atleast somewhat obese then I'm a 7'8" 600lb Norwegian named Muhamid Acbar Fahqyomomma.
And the picture we always see of Trayvon, guess what? That angelic little boy grew into a man, imagine that? I know it's crazy to fathom the thought of someone growing and changing from a picture taken 7 years ago especially in a world where someone can lose 100lbs in a short drive to a police station but it actually happened. Crazy right?
Notice though how people like you and Ted ignore ALL facts that don't suite your agenda, you accuse EVERYONE who doesn't agree with you as having an agenda..... yeah I didn't see that coming *eye roll*... |
I swear, I'd call you dumb as f**k, but I like the choice of writing on the forum.
When I said "rehashing"...you clearly did it again. How many times are you gonna bring up Trayvon's pic as a kid. We heard that already. From you. Who isn't tired of seeing those two same pics? What exactly are you trying to tell me? That he isn't angelic? Was he supposed to be lol? Dude, at that age if Trayvon wasn't thinking about getting some pussy and doing shit most teens do at that age, I'd swear something was wrong. All your huff-n-puffing about this kid's pics are making me wonder if the mentsrual cycle you're having is giving you cramps. Use your head: clearly his parents gave that picture up because that's how they want to see their son. How they'd like to remember him. Are you lost? Let me break it down for you since you probably don't have kids: any parent, mother or father, typically sees their child or children as babies. Even if they're well past the adult age. This isn't making up some bullshit excuse for this kid. That's life dude. Man the f**k up and handle that.
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On a side note, I would love to know what you 2 think about the Mobile, Alabama man getting beaten by 15+ black guys who REPORTEDLY (by 2-3 scared witnesses) yelled "now thats justice for Trayvon" after they beat him nearly to death. I guess thats just a "shit happens" kinda thing right? How about the 78 year old beaten? How about the Baltimore tourist beaten and stripped in public because he was drunk and had a nice watch? Shit happens right? And shit happened to a white couple where they were raped, tortured, castrated,etc. and subsequently murdered by 6 black people and no one heard about it until the Trayvon case.... Yet 1 altercation in Florida attracts national attention because his family doesn't believe its possible that it MAY have been self defense. And you bastards wanna talk about an agenda and the media hiding shit? |
Eh? I think you should calm down boy.
I don't agree with any of it. I don't agree with the black panthers putting a bounty on this dude's head (since you may bring that up....again). You should've thrown in the riots after Rodney King (cause I sure as hell didn't agree with that either). As a matter of fact, I just don't agree with racism. Period. The killing of kids, attacks against gays, attacking people with special needs/disabilities, etc. I agree with none of it. You feel better? Or do you need a tampon for that menstrual cycle you're having now? I swear you type for me like you know what I'm about, and you're clueless as hell.
What about you youngin'? Your thoughts on the black man being dragged via a truck by some white folk? Body parts spread out? This ok with you? Justice? Injustice? Curious...did this happen in Texas? I forget.
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f**k being PC, I'm done with that... |
Who's asking you to be PC? I could give a f**k if you weren't to be honest.
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Yeah maybe in the 50's and 60's people were hush hush about injustices done against black people, but these days it's the opposite. Black on black crime is nearly at an all time high, but Trayvon killing Trayvon doesn't make the news because it "gives them a bad rep".... And Trayvon killing George doesn't make headlines because "it promotes an agenda".... but when George kills Trayvon, "OH HELL NAH, THATS RACIST!!!".... Kinda speaks for itself.... You and Ted won't admit it but its true. |
Your problem with the media is what you see. Isn't with me & Ted. No one's pointing a gun at your head telling you what to watch lol. Do you sit in front of your lil TV and curse at news stations? Seek help. Take meds. No, serious.
lol @ the 50s & 60s. It goes further back than that my dude. The black on black crime is going to exist in this country long after I'm dead. Just like the racism.
Let's speak on ur lil ass backwards theory: Trayvon killing George would've gotten him locked up. Period. George killing Trayvon went unnoticed by all of us, until a red haired guy (that actually looks like a very clean cut Ron Howard lol) started the petition and most of us heard the 911 calls.
Do you ever research your shit?
What am I supposed to admit? We had this talk already, but since your memory's so f**ked up, I'm guessing from drinking, I told you I like justice.
Since you've brought up what the media covers...let's bring up Laci Peterson. Remember her? Killed by her hubby Scott while she was pregnant. White couple. He was cheating on her. f**ked up loser. You still with me?
Now let's bring up Evelyn Hernandez. Let me guess: you don't know who the f**k she is. And you wanna have a hissy fit screaming media bias?
Dude shut the f**k up.
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I still dont get what the argument is here.
Two people get in an argument + the armed guy kills the unarmed guy + there are conflicting stories = investigation
What the hell is the problem.
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Rehash what? That it could be self defense? You excluded self defense ignorantly because you thought someone of Zimmermans size could toss around someone Trayvons size... how ignorant is that to begin with? And now that we see more recent pictures of both all you can say is Zimmerman lost weight? Of course he lost weight, he probably can't even visit a gas station without someone wanting him dead. But you wanna act like he lost 100+ lbs befor court when the damn police department pictures were the night of the incident and he still looked small.... did he lose 75lbs from the crime scene to the police department? |
Here's what I know:
You're a white boy from Texas. And I'd wager between you & me, you've never shot at anyone or shot anyone. Maybe you should threaten me like you did Ted lol? I mentioned Zimmerman lost weight because you, yes, your 5th grade educated ass brought up him being 250 lbs that "you've been hearing about" & I flat out told you that he'd lost weight. Had you known that, you would've spoken about it. You didn't. Case closed.
By _TheCrow_ [686314]
If 250lbs fit into that 5'9 frame without looking atleast somewhat obese then I'm a 7'8" 600lb Norwegian named Muhamid Acbar Fahqyomomma.
And the picture we always see of Trayvon, guess what? That angelic little boy grew into a man, imagine that? I know it's crazy to fathom the thought of someone growing and changing from a picture taken 7 years ago especially in a world where someone can lose 100lbs in a short drive to a police station but it actually happened. Crazy right?
Notice though how people like you and Ted ignore ALL facts that don't suite your agenda, you accuse EVERYONE who doesn't agree with you as having an agenda..... yeah I didn't see that coming *eye roll*... |
I swear, I'd call you dumb as f**k, but I like the choice of writing on the forum.
When I said "rehashing"...you clearly did it again. How many times are you gonna bring up Trayvon's pic as a kid. We heard that already. From you. Who isn't tired of seeing those two same pics? What exactly are you trying to tell me? That he isn't angelic? Was he supposed to be lol? Dude, at that age if Trayvon wasn't thinking about getting some pussy and doing shit most teens do at that age, I'd swear something was wrong. All your huff-n-puffing about this kid's pics are making me wonder if the mentsrual cycle you're having is giving you cramps. Use your head: clearly his parents gave that picture up because that's how they want to see their son. How they'd like to remember him. Are you lost? Let me break it down for you since you probably don't have kids: any parent, mother or father, typically sees their child or children as babies. Even if they're well past the adult age. This isn't making up some bullshit excuse for this kid. That's life dude. Man the f**k up and handle that.
By _TheCrow_ [686314]
On a side note, I would love to know what you 2 think about the Mobile, Alabama man getting beaten by 15+ black guys who REPORTEDLY (by 2-3 scared witnesses) yelled "now thats justice for Trayvon" after they beat him nearly to death. I guess thats just a "shit happens" kinda thing right? How about the 78 year old beaten? How about the Baltimore tourist beaten and stripped in public because he was drunk and had a nice watch? Shit happens right? And shit happened to a white couple where they were raped, tortured, castrated,etc. and subsequently murdered by 6 black people and no one heard about it until the Trayvon case.... Yet 1 altercation in Florida attracts national attention because his family doesn't believe its possible that it MAY have been self defense. And you bastards wanna talk about an agenda and the media hiding shit? |
Eh? I think you should calm down boy.
I don't agree with any of it. I don't agree with the black panthers putting a bounty on this dude's head (since you may bring that up....again). You should've thrown in the riots after Rodney King (cause I sure as hell didn't agree with that either). As a matter of fact, I just don't agree with racism. Period. The killing of kids, attacks against gays, attacking people with special needs/disabilities, etc. I agree with none of it. You feel better? Or do you need a tampon for that menstrual cycle you're having now? I swear you type for me like you know what I'm about, and you're clueless as hell.
What about you youngin'? Your thoughts on the black man being dragged via a truck by some white folk? Body parts spread out? This ok with you? Justice? Injustice? Curious...did this happen in Texas? I forget.
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f**k being PC, I'm done with that... |
Who's asking you to be PC? I could give a f**k if you weren't to be honest.
By _TheCrow_ [686314]
Yeah maybe in the 50's and 60's people were hush hush about injustices done against black people, but these days it's the opposite. Black on black crime is nearly at an all time high, but Trayvon killing Trayvon doesn't make the news because it "gives them a bad rep".... And Trayvon killing George doesn't make headlines because "it promotes an agenda".... but when George kills Trayvon, "OH HELL NAH, THATS RACIST!!!".... Kinda speaks for itself.... You and Ted won't admit it but its true. |
Your problem with the media is what you see. Isn't with me & Ted. No one's pointing a gun at your head telling you what to watch lol. Do you sit in front of your lil TV and curse at news stations? Seek help. Take meds. No, serious.
lol @ the 50s & 60s. It goes further back than that my dude. The black on black crime is going to exist in this country long after I'm dead. Just like the racism.
Let's speak on ur lil ass backwards theory: Trayvon killing George would've gotten him locked up. Period. George killing Trayvon went unnoticed by all of us, until a red haired guy (that actually looks like a very clean cut Ron Howard lol) started the petition and most of us heard the 911 calls.
Do you ever research your shit?
What am I supposed to admit? We had this talk already, but since your memory's so f**ked up, I'm guessing from drinking, I told you I like justice.
Since you've brought up what the media covers...let's bring up Laci Peterson. Remember her? Killed by her hubby Scott while she was pregnant. White couple. He was cheating on her. f**ked up loser. You still with me?
Now let's bring up Evelyn Hernandez. Let me guess: you don't know who the f**k she is. And you wanna have a hissy fit screaming media bias?
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Considering you start shit off by falsely prejudging and profiling, you know that terrible thing that everyone who sides with Zimmerman (and supposedly Zimmerman himself) is guilty of doing (while people who agree with you are just on the side of justice, right?) I can say I could give a f**k less what you have to say. Yes I am white (guilty as charged, shame on me ) but no I am not from Texas... But it's ok for you to make that assumption right? No wait, it's not because assuming and prejudging is wrong.... no wait it is ok because you're not white... wait what? Yeah, you just got the pot and the kettle confused and they both wanna know what the hell you're talking about hypocrite.....
And if by threatening Ted you are refering to the "I would love to put this in perspective for you and slam your silly ass Bam Margera wannabe self into the ground and see how quickly you grab something to defend yourself." comment then by all means replace "silly ass Bam Margera wannabe self" with "sill ass Moby/Seal hybrid looking self" and lets call it a threat shall we? But funny how you're trying to get real life aggressive in an online debate about how aggression is wrong when it results in a random black guy dieing, but ok when you wanna argue with someone online... but hey you make the rules right? But in all honesty, if you wanna get THAT serious, I'll gladly take it to mail with ya.
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I still dont get what the argument is here.
Two people get in an argument + the armed guy kills the unarmed guy + there are conflicting stories = investigation
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Problem is half of America wants the guy dead without a fair trial, and people who want a fair trial are labeled bias or racist while everyone who wants Zimmerman dead is ok and "just wants justice". Zimmerman shouldn't be judged until it goes to court and/or he is proven guilty yet between the media, blogs, twitter and other social media, he has already been convicted in the court of public opinion. And even trying to simply discuss the issue normally results in overwhelming anger and (as you can see now) personal threats.
We're all f**king morons for caring this much about 1 death in American when this happens thousands of times a year, but that was their goal. They wanted us all to be at odds over it because A) it brings in good ratings and B) We pay so much attention to it that we forget/ignore the REAL problems going on around us. I guarantee that 9 out of 10 people you talk to have heard the name Trayvon Martin or George Zimmerman, yet I bet less than 1/3 of those people have heard about North Korea testing long range nuclear technology, India having the technology to hit Japan, the newest version of SOPA, etc.
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So? You seem to be under the belief that this is the only murder case in history that has been on TV. There needed to be an investigation, now there is, and he's out on bail. Get over yourself.
You are the one that is angry and not able to look objectively at what is known about the case without crying about race issues and playing the blame game on everyone except the person that pulled the trigger.
What basis at all do you have to completely accept his story, completely disregard the possibility that he might have jumped to conclusions based on his race, and/or calling a high school girl a liar? Do you know him personally? Are you drinking buddies? Are you stupid enough to think that there are no race issues in the US?
Do you seriously think its acceptable that any time anyone gets in a fight, if anyone starts to lose they get to shoot the other person?
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The fact that you actually believe that this would have happened if this was a white 17 year old in a hoodie walking down the street talking to his girlfriend in a gated community is laughable.
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the fact this is the way you think, shows just how ignorant you are.
Oh, and by the way a gated community has security....with REAL authority..... |
By the way, gated communities dont always have security. Some of them just have gates with a password, hence the word gate in the name.
Ignorant to the guy that judging people based on stereotypes doesnt exist anymore. Now that's a laugh... |
funny how i never once said that, but you make it as if i claimed that. All i said is the fact you think it is a one way road just shows how f**king ignorant you are. Everybody uses stereotypes to some degree i dont give a damn who you are and if you claim you dont your just lying to yourself.
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I didnt say I havent ever stereotyped anyone. You are the one saying its impossible that Zimmerman did.
I do know that I have never drove around with a gun and harassed high school kids who I deem "suspicious" for walking on a street talking on the phone at 7pm at night though.
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I didnt say I havent ever stereotyped anyone. You are the one saying its impossible that Zimmerman did. |
when did i say that? i have only argued the opposite side since nobody gives 2 shits what happens to him. People just hear kid shot and it was zimmerman's gun, then jump an say hang the cracker! then it turns out he isnt white, shit....oh well still hang him because he dared to use his rights stated in the 2nd amendment to bare arms.....
Sorry, if i misunderstand you. But by my understanding you think this as a white on black crime, which makes it racially driven no matter what, that since he used a gun that makes him guilty period because even when your head is being banged on the ground you DONT have the right to defend yourself. If im wrong anywhere please set me right so i can try and wrap my head around your retarded train of thought which you consider "logical" when it is by no means.
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Considering you start shit off by falsely prejudging and profiling, you know that terrible thing that everyone who sides with Zimmerman (and supposedly Zimmerman himself) is guilty of doing (while people who agree with you are just on the side of justice, right?) I can say I could give a f**k less what you have to say. Yes I am white (guilty as charged, shame on me ) but no I am not from Texas... But it's ok for you to make that assumption right? No wait, it's not because assuming and prejudging is wrong.... no wait it is ok because you're not white... wait what? Yeah, you just got the pot and the kettle confused and they both wanna know what the hell you're talking about hypocrite.....
And if by threatening Ted you are refering to the "I would love to put this in perspective for you and slam your silly ass Bam Margera wannabe self into the ground and see how quickly you grab something to defend yourself." comment then by all means replace "silly ass Bam Margera wannabe self" with "sill ass Moby/Seal hybrid looking self" and lets call it a threat shall we? But funny how you're trying to get real life aggressive in an online debate about how aggression is wrong when it results in a random black guy dieing, but ok when you wanna argue with someone online... but hey you make the rules right? But in all honesty, if you wanna get THAT serious, I'll gladly take it to mail with ya. |
That's all you got out of what I'd written?
So, you're not from Texas. My mistake & I wholeheartedly apologize. I can admit a mistake. You can't. I'll ask again: do you feel better or do you wanna argue about more trivial shit you're making up in your head? Aren't you the same one that said weeks ago lol that Zimmerman was screaming for help?
Are you really that bitter because you give your ridiculous opinions & I correct them? You do understand that it's ok to disagree...right? If you could give a f**k what I have to say, then debate with Ted or CoolHandLuke & keep it moving. Makes perfect sense to me.
Now, last I checked: Trayvon's been dead since February, Zimmerman finally got charged, & is now out on bond. What more needs to be said? I didn't hear a f**king peep outta you when I actually disagreed with the violence you did bring up. That's not good enough for you is it? In your head you want to be right about somethinglol. So tell ya what....
If you wanna be brave and start being strapped because of current events, by all means you have my blessing. You just better know how to use it though.
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Problem is half of America wants the guy dead without a fair trial, and people who want a fair trial are labeled bias or racist while everyone who wants Zimmerman dead is ok and "just wants justice". Zimmerman shouldn't be judged until it goes to court and/or he is proven guilty yet between the media, blogs, twitter and other social media, he has already been convicted in the court of public opinion. And even trying to simply discuss the issue normally results in overwhelming anger and (as you can see now) personal threats.
We're all f**king morons for caring this much about 1 death in American when this happens thousands of times a year, but that was their goal. They wanted us all to be at odds over it because A) it brings in good ratings and B) We pay so much attention to it that we forget/ignore the REAL problems going on around us. I guarantee that 9 out of 10 people you talk to have heard the name Trayvon Martin or George Zimmerman, yet I bet less than 1/3 of those people have heard about North Korea testing long range nuclear technology, India having the technology to hit Japan, the newest version of SOPA, etc. |
Half of America still wants O.J. Simpson & Casey Anthony dead and those two did have trials. What's your point?
And not for nothing, I think you should stop watching TV lol. You're getting yourself upset.
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I still dont get what the argument is here.
Two people get in an argument + the armed guy kills the unarmed guy + there are conflicting stories = investigation
What the hell is the problem. |
Problem is half of America wants the guy dead without a fair trial, and people who want a fair trial are labeled bias or racist while everyone who wants Zimmerman dead is ok and "just wants justice". Zimmerman shouldn't be judged until it goes to court and/or he is proven guilty yet between the media, blogs, twitter and other social media, he has already been convicted in the court of public opinion. And even trying to simply discuss the issue normally results in overwhelming anger and (as you can see now) personal threats.
We're all f**king morons for caring this much about 1 death in American when this happens thousands of times a year, but that was their goal. They wanted us all to be at odds over it because A) it brings in good ratings and B) We pay so much attention to it that we forget/ignore the REAL problems going on around us. I guarantee that 9 out of 10 people you talk to have heard the name Trayvon Martin or George Zimmerman, yet I bet less than 1/3 of those people have heard about North Korea testing long range nuclear technology, India having the technology to hit Japan, the newest version of SOPA, etc. |
Problem is this being investigated as self defense when one was unarmed. I insist on the fact it was only one guy not a crowd about to lynch Zimmerman even then some would control the situation. His responsability as the security guy was to control himself.
Zimmerman is :
1)an unresponsable idiot
2)a cold blood murderer who will do it again
Fair trial is what it already is, in both case he didn't do the job.
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2)a cold blood murderer who will do it again
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he kills 1 man after having his skull bashed on the ground and he is a cold blooded murderer? You are just as stupid as ted here who thinks a girlfriend would never lie to get a man arrested for killing her boyfriend.....
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there's right and there's wrong, you gotta do one or the other If you do the one and your living you do the other you might be walking around but your dead as a beaver hat |
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Posted on Thu Apr 26, 2012 17:49:40
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By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
By robocop [24729]
2)a cold blood murderer who will do it again
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he kills 1 man after having his skull bashed on the ground and he is a cold blooded murderer? You are just as stupid as ted here who thinks a girlfriend would never lie to get a man arrested for killing her boyfriend..... |
Anyway he didnt get killed and failed at security. That's the point, why is he having a gun instead any other kind of defensive weapon ?
As for the girlfriend even if there was a fight it is about self defense, a gun isn't made for self defense unless the other guy is armed, he wasn't armed Zimmerman failed anyway.
We know that Trayvon was going to watch a match, he was coming back from teh store with candies and ice tea, i mean why would there be a fight ?
Yes u are so f**king stupid.
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Posted on Fri Apr 27, 2012 08:15:43
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| By robocop [24729] That's the point, why is he having a gun instead any other kind of defensive weapon ? |
maybe because its more effective.....i carry a gun instead of a bat, knife, pepper spray, OC spray, and what not. Just because you dont like guns and are scared of a gun, doesnt mean the rest of us have to be.
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there's right and there's wrong, you gotta do one or the other If you do the one and your living you do the other you might be walking around but your dead as a beaver hat |
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Posted on Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:49:02
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By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
| By robocop [24729] That's the point, why is he having a gun instead any other kind of defensive weapon ? |
maybe because its more effective.....i carry a gun instead of a bat, knife, pepper spray, OC spray, and what not. Just because you dont like guns and are scared of a gun, doesnt mean the rest of us have to be. |
I didn't said i don't like guns, i don't like people who are carrying it.
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Posted on Fri Apr 27, 2012 17:13:37
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| By robocop [24729] That's the point, why is he having a gun instead any other kind of defensive weapon ? |
maybe because its more effective.....i carry a gun instead of a bat, knife, pepper spray, OC spray, and what not. Just because you dont like guns and are scared of a gun, doesnt mean the rest of us have to be. |
I didn't said i don't like guns, i don't like people who are carrying it. |
| why is he having a gun instead any other kind of defensive weapon |
so you rather him have any other weapon besides a gun, but your claiming to not have a problem with guns.....thats sounds contradicting really....
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there's right and there's wrong, you gotta do one or the other If you do the one and your living you do the other you might be walking around but your dead as a beaver hat |
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Posted on Fri Apr 27, 2012 17:19:14
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By robocop [24729]
By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
| By robocop [24729] That's the point, why is he having a gun instead any other kind of defensive weapon ? |
maybe because its more effective.....i carry a gun instead of a bat, knife, pepper spray, OC spray, and what not. Just because you dont like guns and are scared of a gun, doesnt mean the rest of us have to be. |
I didn't said i don't like guns, i don't like people who are carrying it. |
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Posted on Fri Apr 27, 2012 17:52:24
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By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
By robocop [24729]
By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
| By robocop [24729] That's the point, why is he having a gun instead any other kind of defensive weapon ? |
maybe because its more effective.....i carry a gun instead of a bat, knife, pepper spray, OC spray, and what not. Just because you dont like guns and are scared of a gun, doesnt mean the rest of us have to be. |
I didn't said i don't like guns, i don't like people who are carrying it. |
| why is he having a gun instead any other kind of defensive weapon |
so you rather him have any other weapon besides a gun, but your claiming to not have a problem with guns.....thats sounds contradicting really.... |
I don't have problem with guns, just that people should not freely own guns, like the guy owning a gun and his 7 years old niece find it in closet...
Guns for shooting range or hunters and they shouldn't own them at home.
As for the cops, bobbies in england don't own a gun and it seems it is not worst.
Polemic today is about it, in my country yesterday a cop killed a guy in the back, he got jailed for homicide. Then cops parade saying they have the right to do it just because the gangster he shot did a lot prison and was recognise as a gangster.
There is abuse a lot of it, people should not own guns.
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