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Posted on Mon Nov 26, 2012 01:41:57
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Anyone been really keeping up with this case and how ugly its gotten? Crump and his team "accidentally" leaking witnesses information so they could be harassed and coerced? This is what, their 3rd "accident"? You ask me, I think the Martins need a new gold digger to take the case. The incompetent flop they have can barely speak english and keeps thinking Trayvons f**k buddy can make their case even though apparently she told him to run and he chose not to and instead assaulted George, resulting in his own death. Thats pretty much the opposite of a smoking gun.... She proves that Trayvon CHOSE to assault George and that he was only defending himself. |
Actually I have been paying attention and havent seen that anywhere nor can find it anywhere when searching it, so care to share where you got that from?
(Im choosing to ignore the rest of your useless drivel) |
Which part? The part about them again "accidentally" releasing witness names and such 2 months after "accidentally" releasing pictures of Trayvon at the scene...
www.theblaze.com/stories/prosecution-makes-major-flub-in-zimmerman-case-accidentally-releases-private-docs-death-photo/ and numerous other sources...
[url]http://www.wsbt.com/news/os-george-zimmerman-witness-names-20121115,0,5998393.story[/url] and numerous other sources...
Or about Deedee saying she tried telling him to run and he said he would just walk faster?
Actually, majority of whats posted about that is blog types of articles and YouTube videos, nothing valid so I won't waste time with that, but if interested this is SUPPOSEDLY the real transcript of her statement to the state prosecutor.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfVTM8sqz4k&feature=related
IF that is real, notice at about 9:20 she starts saying she told him to run numerous times and she claims he said he wasn't going to. |
I was mostly talking about "so the witnesses could be harassed coerced" part, you made that up. The article you posted yourself said the witness whose names got released are not important to the case (not to mention the fact that im pretty sure if someone wanted to figure out who his neighbors are in order to harass them, it wouldnt be very hard since everyone knows where he lived), so what exactly was their end game here?
Oh, and did you actually see the "picture"? You cant tell if it was a person or a muppet character or a smudge on a camera lens, it is completely useless and means nothing.
Nothing you said means anything.
She told him to run and he didnt. Umm, so what? You think this is some sort of revelation?
I like how everything is a conspiracy against Zimmerman, if the prosecutor makes a mistake it was because they are trying to screw him and if Zimmerman makes a mistake (like lying at a bond hearing) its because they are trying to make him look bad.
How about Zimmerman going on tv and making inconsistent statements again, and saying him shooting Treyvon was Gods plan. Real brilliant piece of work you keep playing mental gymnastics to keep defending...  |
let me get this right
Zimmerman ignored good advice to stay in his car, Trayvon ignored good advice to run.
both had a very good way to prevent anything from happening, but neither took their chance.
But Zimmerman is guilty as charged and trayvon cant be blamed for anything by anybody unless they are racist, stupid, or just plain crazy.....
is that your position on this subject ted, because thats how it is looking to be honest boss. |
Please explain to me what deciding to walk fast instead of running has to do with anything, thanks.
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Posted on Mon Nov 26, 2012 03:41:55
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I wasn't getting defensive, it was more of a rhetorical question. Doesn't matter what the source is, if it doesn't agree with Ted then it's wrong and you're retarded. Not the article or the people who wrote it, only who posts it. But I expect no less from this jackass. Wouldn't surprise me if dude sits at home arguing with a tape recorded message of himself talking and wanks to it. |
So what you are saying is you have no answer as to why anything you posted is some shocking revelation or development in the case or why you choose to ignore and make excuses for Zimmerman's mishaps and the stupid things he has done.
And really what you are saying is that you will continue to defend and make this guy the victim no matter what he does, even to go as far as to make up conspiracy theories for him.
You CHOOSE to believe his story. You CHOOSE to ignore that he has made inconsistent statements. You CHOOSE to ignore that there are witnesses that conflict with his statement. You CHOOSE to ignore the detective was skeptical of Zimmerman's story from day one. You CHOOSE to believe that forgetting he had an extra passport and the things that got his wife charged with perjury were just innocent mistakes.
But if the prosecutor releases a picture that you cant see anything and filed some documents incorrectly, it automatically shows a conspiracy against Zimmerman. It isnt possible that he is making himself look bad, its because everyone is out to get him.
I am just happy there is going to be a trial. Maybe you are satisfied to just take Zimmerman's word for it, I am not. And pretty much everything he has done has reinforced that. We will see if your undying devotion pans out when the trial comes around.
Im willing to accept a not-guilty verdict (personally I think they should have gone for voluntary manslaughter, 2nd degree murder is going to bit hard to prove but I am not a prosecutor and I dont have access to everything they do), so the the real question would be are you going to be willing to accept a guilty verdict or will you keep making up excuses? Magic 8-ball says no.
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Posted on Mon Nov 26, 2012 23:27:19
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Anyone been really keeping up with this case and how ugly its gotten? Crump and his team "accidentally" leaking witnesses information so they could be harassed and coerced? This is what, their 3rd "accident"? You ask me, I think the Martins need a new gold digger to take the case. The incompetent flop they have can barely speak english and keeps thinking Trayvons f**k buddy can make their case even though apparently she told him to run and he chose not to and instead assaulted George, resulting in his own death. Thats pretty much the opposite of a smoking gun.... She proves that Trayvon CHOSE to assault George and that he was only defending himself. |
Actually I have been paying attention and havent seen that anywhere nor can find it anywhere when searching it, so care to share where you got that from?
(Im choosing to ignore the rest of your useless drivel) |
Which part? The part about them again "accidentally" releasing witness names and such 2 months after "accidentally" releasing pictures of Trayvon at the scene...
www.theblaze.com/stories/prosecution-makes-major-flub-in-zimmerman-case-accidentally-releases-private-docs-death-photo/ and numerous other sources...
[url]http://www.wsbt.com/news/os-george-zimmerman-witness-names-20121115,0,5998393.story[/url] and numerous other sources...
Or about Deedee saying she tried telling him to run and he said he would just walk faster?
Actually, majority of whats posted about that is blog types of articles and YouTube videos, nothing valid so I won't waste time with that, but if interested this is SUPPOSEDLY the real transcript of her statement to the state prosecutor.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfVTM8sqz4k&feature=related
IF that is real, notice at about 9:20 she starts saying she told him to run numerous times and she claims he said he wasn't going to. |
I was mostly talking about "so the witnesses could be harassed coerced" part, you made that up. The article you posted yourself said the witness whose names got released are not important to the case (not to mention the fact that im pretty sure if someone wanted to figure out who his neighbors are in order to harass them, it wouldnt be very hard since everyone knows where he lived), so what exactly was their end game here?
Oh, and did you actually see the "picture"? You cant tell if it was a person or a muppet character or a smudge on a camera lens, it is completely useless and means nothing.
Nothing you said means anything.
She told him to run and he didnt. Umm, so what? You think this is some sort of revelation?
I like how everything is a conspiracy against Zimmerman, if the prosecutor makes a mistake it was because they are trying to screw him and if Zimmerman makes a mistake (like lying at a bond hearing) its because they are trying to make him look bad.
How about Zimmerman going on tv and making inconsistent statements again, and saying him shooting Treyvon was Gods plan. Real brilliant piece of work you keep playing mental gymnastics to keep defending... |
let me get this right
Zimmerman ignored good advice to stay in his car, Trayvon ignored good advice to run.
both had a very good way to prevent anything from happening, but neither took their chance.
But Zimmerman is guilty as charged and trayvon cant be blamed for anything by anybody unless they are racist, stupid, or just plain crazy.....
is that your position on this subject ted, because thats how it is looking to be honest boss. |
Please explain to me what deciding to walk fast instead of running has to do with anything, thanks.
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he runs home, problem solved......that simple enough for you?
and thanks for showing just how bias you are.
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Posted on Tue Nov 27, 2012 07:15:54
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So since Zimmerman said he saw him running (or walking fast depending on which version of the story you look at), what is your point.
Thank you for showing how retarded your "logic" is.
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Posted on Tue Nov 27, 2012 16:47:07
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So since Zimmerman said he saw him running (or walking fast depending on which version of the story you look at), what is your point.
Thank you for showing how retarded your "logic" is. |
how does that show "how retarded my "logic" is"
please fill me in on this 1.
all i said was that they both decided to ignore good advice which could have prevented this whole thing. Yet you say the only person to blame is Zimmerman, and trayvon is nothing but innocent and no blame could be placed on him for anything.
theres no logic involved in that statement, just facts....which you claim to be following. If Zimmerman decided to stay in his car, problem solved if trayvon would have ran home problem solved.
thanks for showing just how alike zimmerman defenders and trayvon defenders are.
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Posted on Tue Nov 27, 2012 16:56:26
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Yes, saying its the fault of the unarmed guy because he didnt run fast enough is the logic of retards...
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Posted on Wed Nov 28, 2012 08:30:16
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I wasn't getting defensive, it was more of a rhetorical question. Doesn't matter what the source is, if it doesn't agree with Ted then it's wrong and you're retarded. Not the article or the people who wrote it, only who posts it. But I expect no less from this jackass. Wouldn't surprise me if dude sits at home arguing with a tape recorded message of himself talking and wanks to it. |
| So what you are saying is you have no answer as to why anything you posted is some shocking revelation or development in the case or why you choose to ignore and make excuses for Zimmerman's mishaps and the stupid things he has done. |
Your problem is you assume I think it's some "shocking revelation" when I don't. It, at the time, was the most recent news on the situation and I commented about it and gave my opinion. You disagreed with my opinion so you, like always, got offended that anyone in this world could disagree with your genius and pounced. Not my fault your anus is so sensitive that opinions offend you.
| And really what you are saying is that you will continue to defend and make this guy the victim no matter what he does, even to go as far as to make up conspiracy theories for him. |
No, what I did was post an update and expressed my displeasure of it. Simple as that. Disagree with it all you want, but it was my OPINION.
*Fun fact- Opinions normally express opinions unless they are expressed by TedThomas, then by law they become fact. True story....
| You CHOOSE to believe his story. You CHOOSE to ignore that he has made inconsistent statements. You CHOOSE to ignore that there are witnesses that conflict with his statement. You CHOOSE to ignore the detective was skeptical of Zimmerman's story from day one. You CHOOSE to believe that forgetting he had an extra passport and the things that got his wife charged with perjury were just innocent mistakes. |
You CHOOSE to ignore anything that doesn't agree with your opinion. You CHOOSE to ignore that there are witnesses that DO corroborate his story. You CHOOSE to ignore the other officers and investigator's that investigated and agreed with the self defense claim from day one as opposed to 1 the ONE person who disagreed. As for the passport and money, I never said they were innocent mistakes, but if I had a bounty on my head and the judge took my means of self defense from me, I just might try to flee the country as well ... just saying.
| But if the prosecutor releases a picture that you cant see anything and filed some documents incorrectly, it automatically shows a conspiracy against Zimmerman. It isnt possible that he is making himself look bad, its because everyone is out to get him. |
Odd that he can make himself look bad because people other than himself released material that was not supposed to be released. No sensible person in this world would EVER think that releasing particular information strategically could EVER be a lawyers objective. God forbid we find out that lawyers are dishonest, this world would come to an end because of disbelief....
| I am just happy there is going to be a trial. Maybe you are satisfied to just take Zimmerman's word for it, I am not. And pretty much everything he has done has reinforced that. We will see if your undying devotion pans out when the trial comes around. |
I SHOULD be happy there will be a trial because I believe that, in a decent world, the correct verdict would be dealt. But in todays "Follow the cause of the month" media, I think George has been unfairly portrayed as some kind of Hitler like monster, so how the hell could he get a fair trial? There is a reason the media has chose not to report that Trayvon participated in "fight clubs" and that his dad was a Crip and his Twitter and Facebook looks like that of a drunken rap star.
| Im willing to accept a not-guilty verdict (personally I think they should have gone for voluntary manslaughter, 2nd degree murder is going to bit hard to prove but I am not a prosecutor and I dont have access to everything they do), so the the real question would be are you going to be willing to accept a guilty verdict or will you keep making up excuses? Magic 8-ball says no. |
What you call excuses, a lot of people call facts. I know it's hard to believe that anyone could ever interpret anything you disagree with as facts as opposed to your "genius" but it is possible. I may not agree with a guilty verdict but I CAN accept it, unlike you EVER accepting you could possibly be wrong about anything... EVER....
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Posted on Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:39:15
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Lol, sorry. Georgie doesnt get a free pass because you think he cant get a fair trial.
He got arrested and there is going to be a trial, most people are happy with that. Sorry you cant handle how the justice system works.
Never said I wasnt wrong about anything ever, I actually admitted that I was wrong about something earlier in this thread to YOU and YOU wouldnt accept it dumbass. I have however said that things that you have said were either wrong or stupid, because they were. After watching the case for months I have changed my opinion about some things, you apparently havent changed your mind about anything. No matter what Zimmerman does or how much he digs himself in a hole, there you are to make up an excuse for him. Its not a matter of whether the lawyer COULD have made a mistake on purpose, its the fact that you automatically assume its a conspiracy against Zimmerman with absolutely no evidence to support it.
The difference between me and you is that I am willing to admit that I dont know what happened, you on the other hand are stuck on what Zimmerman said being true and everything being everyone's fault but him because you think he is the real victim. What I do know is that the only person who does know for sure tells a story that changes slightly every time he tells it and doesnt really make any logical sense. I could be wrong but the more Zimmerman opens his mouth the more he makes it look like he is full of crap. I want a trial to figure these things out, you just want to believe his story and call it a day because either you are convinced you know what happened or you dont actually give a shit.
Of course you will never agree with a guilty verdict, you are too emotionally involved in your opinion of Zimmerman at this point to ever accept any evidence against him. Its pretty obvious that no matter what comes out in court you will continue defending him him because you dont think he should go to jail for shooting some kid that you think is a punk whether he lied about it or not.
BTW not a lot of people call your excuses "facts", mostly just people who dont know what they are talking about. For example, Trayvon being in a fight club is not a fact. It is actually a bunch of shit. Somebody took a video of some black kid fighting, said it was Trayvon, then posted it on the internet. There is also no evidence that Tracy Martin was a crip member either. Its all speculation based on a tattoo that he had, which is far from any definition in any language or culture of a fact.
So I guess what I am try to say is, you are a gullible sucker.
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Posted on Fri Nov 30, 2012 01:29:28
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Yes, saying its the fault of the unarmed guy because he didnt run fast enough is the logic of retards... |
sorry, but running away and turning around and making a confrontation is totally different. yes he was un-armed, but he was also the aggressor....and last time i checked, as the aggressor you lose your right to self-defense, and claiming the innocent victim to a person carrying a gun.
and Zimmerman following trayvon doesn't make him an aggressor, just beating you to the punch on that 1.
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Posted on Fri Nov 30, 2012 06:50:26
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Yes, saying its the fault of the unarmed guy because he didnt run fast enough is the logic of retards... |
sorry, but running away and turning around and making a confrontation is totally different. yes he was un-armed, but he was also the aggressor....and last time i checked, as the aggressor you lose your right to self-defense, and claiming the innocent victim to a person carrying a gun.
and Zimmerman following trayvon doesn't make him an aggressor, just beating you to the punch on that 1. |
You said that it was because he decided to walk fast instead of run not that he turned around and started a fight.
Try to keep your bullshit straight guy. 
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Posted on Fri Nov 30, 2012 14:40:38
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I don't think him running is relevant at all and would not change the outcome.
One fact that all can agree on is Zimmerman was pursuing Trayvon. When someone is following you, you either confront, ignore, or flee the scene.
If Zimmerman views Trayvon as a threat and he starts running, Zimmerman will automatically assume he was right and chase after him. He was already following him so the odds are he would have most likely pursued him and the results would have been the same, Trayvon gets shot.
Running always has a guilty look so I understand why Trayvon didn't want to run. I wouldn't have either. I would have confronted him the same way. And I say the same way as in turn around and say something to him. It's never a good idea to ignore or run away from someone that is following you. What Trayvon failed to do was tell his friend or make the call himself to the police that someone was following him. He thought he could handle it himself at first by confronting him so he could go away but Zimmerman didn't back down.
Seriously, if someone was following you, and then accuses you of being a criminal, what would you do?
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Posted on Mon Dec 03, 2012 04:12:32
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i was talking about how YOU blame Zimmerman for everything because he didnt listen to a dispatcher and left his vehicle, yet think trayvon did no wrong when he could have avoided it by running instead of walking fast. Sorry, my story was streight you just cant admit to being wrong or bias....i find it funny really but thats just me.
and as for your statement lady, accuse me for being rude to you but i must ask if your stupid?
you really think a fat old man can catch a athletic young man? if so my question is answered.
But as i said lady, sorry for being rude. Its just this whole topic is old and the excuses are getting old.
and as for your question lady, i would have turned around and started swinging. i wouldnt ask why he was following me because i wouldn't care. But then again, that doesn't make it right and i would have most likely ended up dead. (if i was in trayvon's shoes, but since im 21 and have a concealed carry permit me an Zimmerman would be on equal ground besides the fact i carry a FN five-seven with the original ss190 on a duel shoulder holster.....game over for zimmerman.)
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Coolhand, I see your point but Zimmerman has a gun. He doesn't need to run.
You wouldn't be wrong to swing if you were defending yourself. The man is following you and you have no idea who he is and what he wants. He's not wearing anything that identifies himself as a cop nor is he saying that. He could be a man trying to abduct you and do something horrific to you. Who knows! Tray was just a kid and trying to stand up or protect himself.
Yeah, the argument is old in dead but unfortunately things like that still goes on. A white man shot a young teenage boy for playing loud music in his car claiming he felt threatened. Very unfortunate. Would that have happened if it was a white teen playing music? Seriously doubt it.
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People don't typically try to abduct people as big as themselves or close to it. Trayvon wasn't the little kid you see in the pics on the news Lady. Depending on which source you believe, Trayvon was between 6'0" and 6'2" and Zimmerman was 5'8" or 5'9". I find it highly unlikely anyone would think someone smaller than them-self would be trying to abduct them.
If you want to talk hypothetical, then for all Trayvon knew Zimmerman saw him drop his wallet and was attempting to give it back to him. Would it still be ok to swing then? Sounds ridiculous I know, but so does abducting a fully grown male.
It's not defending yourself if you attack first. Period. Assault is assault. Had George not pulled a gun, do you think the cops would have charged Trayvon for assault? Yes they would have, because he attacked without provocation. It's not against the law to think someone is suspicious, nor is it illegal to even follow someone.
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Posted on Mon Dec 03, 2012 20:12:05
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You dont know he attacked without provocation, you are assuming that what Zimmerman said is what happened. For all you (or anyone) know Zimmerman tried to detain him and a fight happened.
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Posted on Mon Dec 03, 2012 20:20:38
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i was talking about how YOU blame Zimmerman for everything because he didnt listen to a dispatcher and left his vehicle, yet think trayvon did no wrong when he could have avoided it by running instead of walking fast. Sorry, my story was streight you just cant admit to being wrong or bias....i find it funny really but thats just me.
and as for your statement lady, accuse me for being rude to you but i must ask if your stupid?
you really think a fat old man can catch a athletic young man? if so my question is answered.
But as i said lady, sorry for being rude. Its just this whole topic is old and the excuses are getting old.
and as for your question lady, i would have turned around and started swinging. i wouldnt ask why he was following me because i wouldn't care. But then again, that doesn't make it right and i would have most likely ended up dead. (if i was in trayvon's shoes, but since im 21 and have a concealed carry permit me an Zimmerman would be on equal ground besides the fact i carry a FN five-seven with the original ss190 on a duel shoulder holster.....game over for zimmerman.) |
The fact that you think that is a valid argument shows YOUR bias and lack of objectivity. The idea that choosing to walk fast instead of run away from some stranger following you (if he was a cop, running away isnt a good idea because they always ask "why were you running away if you werent doing anything?") is equivalent to a guy choosing to go after someone he thinks is suspicious (which he was completely wrong about) with a gun knowing full well that if something happens he might have to use that gun to defend himself is laughable.
I suppose if you tell your girlfriend that her skirt is too short and then she gets raped, in your world she is equally at fault.
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Posted on Mon Dec 03, 2012 20:24:49
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Coolhand, I see your point but Zimmerman has a gun. He doesn't need to run. |
People walking around with guns are looking for trouble.
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Posted on Tue Dec 04, 2012 00:09:08
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People don't typically try to abduct people as big as themselves or close to it. Trayvon wasn't the little kid you see in the pics on the news Lady. Depending on which source you believe, Trayvon was between 6'0" and 6'2" and Zimmerman was 5'8" or 5'9". I find it highly unlikely anyone would think someone smaller than them-self would be trying to abduct them.
If you want to talk hypothetical, then for all Trayvon knew Zimmerman saw him drop his wallet and was attempting to give it back to him. Would it still be ok to swing then? Sounds ridiculous I know, but so does abducting a fully grown male.
It's not defending yourself if you attack first. Period. Assault is assault. Had George not pulled a gun, do you think the cops would have charged Trayvon for assault? Yes they would have, because he attacked without provocation. It's not against the law to think someone is suspicious, nor is it illegal to even follow someone. |
The comment about abduction was completely hypothetical and really represented the fact that Trayvon doesn't know what the guy wants. No, that is not typically a norm but don't be so ridiculous in thinking that it wouldn't happen. You saying typically creates an opportunity for that scenario to play out. So you know that there's a possiblity of that occuring yet you just want to drive your point home.
We know Zimmerman didn't witness Trayvon dropping his wallet so cut it out. That changes the entire argument all together and you're also suggesting ultimately that Trayvon acted without cause. You can't create an example entirely different than what really happened, which is still unclear. I do believe though Zimmerman was wrong to kill him. He should have listened to the 911 dispatcher and backed off.
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Posted on Tue Dec 04, 2012 08:48:09
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People don't typically try to abduct people as big as themselves or close to it. Trayvon wasn't the little kid you see in the pics on the news Lady. Depending on which source you believe, Trayvon was between 6'0" and 6'2" and Zimmerman was 5'8" or 5'9". I find it highly unlikely anyone would think someone smaller than them-self would be trying to abduct them.
If you want to talk hypothetical, then for all Trayvon knew Zimmerman saw him drop his wallet and was attempting to give it back to him. Would it still be ok to swing then? Sounds ridiculous I know, but so does abducting a fully grown male.
It's not defending yourself if you attack first. Period. Assault is assault. Had George not pulled a gun, do you think the cops would have charged Trayvon for assault? Yes they would have, because he attacked without provocation. It's not against the law to think someone is suspicious, nor is it illegal to even follow someone. |
The comment about abduction was completely hypothetical and really represented the fact that Trayvon doesn't know what the guy wants. No, that is not typically a norm but don't be so ridiculous in thinking that it wouldn't happen. You saying typically creates an opportunity for that scenario to play out. So you know that there's a possiblity of that occuring yet you just want to drive your point home.
We know Zimmerman didn't witness Trayvon dropping his wallet so cut it out. That changes the entire argument all together and you're also suggesting ultimately that Trayvon acted without cause. You can't create an example entirely different than what really happened, which is still unclear. I do believe though Zimmerman was wrong to kill him. He should have listened to the 911 dispatcher and backed off. |
I know your comment was hypothetical and so was mine, I admitted as much. But you can say "He could be a man trying to abduct you and do something horrific to you" as a hypothetical situation and thats ok, but at the same time when I set up a hypothetical situation you pretend it's ridiculous. Why is that? So 1 hypothetical situation is ok but the other is preposterous? Thats not fare and your bias is showing....
I know Zimmerman didn't try to return Trayvons wallet (see the above statement about hypothetical situations we know are not true). But oddly enough the 911 tape sounds like George took your advice and DID back off yet there was still a confrontation. Has it EVER occurred to you that maybe, JUST MAYBE, Trayvon being a young aggressive male might have actually had a chip on his shoulder and attacked without provocation forcing George to defend himself? Imagine that? A youth with an ego and anger issues... SURELY thats unprecedented and there has NEVER been an angry teen in this entire world...EVER....
No we don't know what happened, so don't state an unproven hypothetical situation and give it merit then discredit someone elses unproven hypothetical situation just because you don't like it. Neither of us know what actually happened, but (like Ted) you are ready to discredit someones opinion just because they disagree, NOT because facts disprove it. My (admittedly hypothetical) scenario is just as believable as a 6'2" black man fearing a short stocky Mexican is going to kidnap him and rape him..... Sounds a little ridiculous when you think about it doesn't it?
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Lol. Your whole argument is a hypothetical situation. What the facts show is that there are more than a few reasons to doubt Zimmerman's story and he is the only one that can corroborate the "angry teen" story (which in my opinion sounds like a bunch of bs to cover his ass. Who the hell says "youve got a problem now motherf***er" or "youre going to die tonight" except in lame made-for-tv movies written by some dude in an office trying to think what a scary criminal person would say?), so therefore that means there should be a trial to figure out what happened.
I know you dont believe in the justice system but get over yourself. Dont like it, too bad buddy. Not really much to say other than tough beans? Get over it? You dont get to shoot an unarmed person and then go scott free because you say they attacked you first.
He will have his day in court whether you like it or not (unless it gets dropped at the stand your ground hearing, which I doubt. Even the guy who wrote the law said it doesnt apply in this case.) and we will see whether he is full of shit or not. Like it or not, that is what is happening so stop continuing your hissy fit and deal with it.
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Crow, I'm reacting to your hypothetical situation as you've reacted to mine. It made sense for you to do it but when I do it back you're up in arms!
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Crow, I'm reacting to your hypothetical situation as you've reacted to mine. It made sense for you to do it but when I do it back you're up in arms! |
thats ted for ya lady, he will change the rules to his game at his will.....just sad he doesnt realize all he has done is become a means of entertainment for most people who argue/debate with him....for they see he is an imbecile who will always think he is right no matter how much proof or facts you throw at him proving otherwise.
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Coolhand, I see your point but Zimmerman has a gun. He doesn't need to run. |
People walking around with guns are looking for trouble.
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really? they are looking for trouble?
then why is it you cant tell if somebody is carrying a gun or not for the most part? (theres always the few bad apples). Most of the people who carry a concealed are normal everyday people who just know the chances of becoming a victim to a violent crime in these times is on the rise despite what your ignorant news wants to report. Most people get fed only reported crimes and the dark figure of crime goes unmentioned which is just as bad as lying....
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Coolhand, I see your point but Zimmerman has a gun. He doesn't need to run. |
People walking around with guns are looking for trouble.
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really? they are looking for trouble?
then why is it you cant tell if somebody is carrying a gun or not for the most part? (theres always the few bad apples). Most of the people who carry a concealed are normal everyday people who just know the chances of becoming a victim to a violent crime in these times is on the rise despite what your ignorant news wants to report. Most people get fed only reported crimes and the dark figure of crime goes unmentioned which is just as bad as lying.... |
Check this out?
You said we don't get along, we don't talk, all that other bullshit. Remember? OK.
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Coolhand, I see your point but Zimmerman has a gun. He doesn't need to run. |
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really? they are looking for trouble?
then why is it you cant tell if somebody is carrying a gun or not for the most part? (theres always the few bad apples). Most of the people who carry a concealed are normal everyday people who just know the chances of becoming a victim to a violent crime in these times is on the rise despite what your ignorant news wants to report. Most people get fed only reported crimes and the dark figure of crime goes unmentioned which is just as bad as lying.... |
But that is not what we're talking about. Zimmerman was the aggressor no matter how you want to spin this. I can't believe this is an actual argument! Does everything have to be videotaped now? What happened to using basic common sense? Zimmerman is not a victim, Trayvon was and now he's dead cause Zimmerman brought a gun to a fist fight. A grown man can't take an ass whipping he asked for from a child. Smh
And yes, yes!! He's asking for trouble. He' cruising around like a vigilante looking for criminals carrying a piece. He's definitely looking for it. Loading his weapon is definitely asking for it. Ignoring police dispatchers to stand down is begging for it. If he wants to hunt for perps, he should have joined the police force and got himself a badge so he can have that kind of authority to ask questions whether he was just or not. But he did not and should not have been their harrassing some kid cause he thought he was suspicious with his candy and soda. Smh.
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Crow, I'm reacting to your hypothetical situation as you've reacted to mine. It made sense for you to do it but when I do it back you're up in arms! |
thats ted for ya lady, he will change the rules to his game at his will.....just sad he doesnt realize all he has done is become a means of entertainment for most people who argue/debate with him....for they see he is an imbecile who will always think he is right no matter how much proof or facts you throw at him proving otherwise. |
Lol, what is actually sad is that you will probably never comprehend how stupid, illogical, ignorant, and wrong the things you constantly say are...
Laughing at you on a semi-daily basis sure makes for great entertainment though.
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Crow, I'm reacting to your hypothetical situation as you've reacted to mine. It made sense for you to do it but when I do it back you're up in arms! |
thats ted for ya lady, he will change the rules to his game at his will.....just sad he doesnt realize all he has done is become a means of entertainment for most people who argue/debate with him....for they see he is an imbecile who will always think he is right no matter how much proof or facts you throw at him proving otherwise. |
Lol, what is actually sad is that you will probably never comprehend how stupid, illogical, ignorant, and wrong the things you constantly say are...
Laughing at you on a semi-daily basis sure makes for great entertainment though. |
im wrong? please, show me where im wrong there. Ask machine gun steve, ask bosox and many others. They have all seen you continue to claim your right when your wrong. Simple as that.
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Coolhand, I see your point but Zimmerman has a gun. He doesn't need to run. |
People walking around with guns are looking for trouble.
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really? they are looking for trouble?
then why is it you cant tell if somebody is carrying a gun or not for the most part? (theres always the few bad apples). Most of the people who carry a concealed are normal everyday people who just know the chances of becoming a victim to a violent crime in these times is on the rise despite what your ignorant news wants to report. Most people get fed only reported crimes and the dark figure of crime goes unmentioned which is just as bad as lying.... |
Check this out?
You said we don't get along, we don't talk, all that other bullshit. Remember? OK.
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you proved me right when you made your ignorant comment, get over it already.
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By LadyMel [608148]
Coolhand, I see your point but Zimmerman has a gun. He doesn't need to run. |
People walking around with guns are looking for trouble.
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really? they are looking for trouble?
then why is it you cant tell if somebody is carrying a gun or not for the most part? (theres always the few bad apples). Most of the people who carry a concealed are normal everyday people who just know the chances of becoming a victim to a violent crime in these times is on the rise despite what your ignorant news wants to report. Most people get fed only reported crimes and the dark figure of crime goes unmentioned which is just as bad as lying.... |
But that is not what we're talking about. Zimmerman was the aggressor no matter how you want to spin this. I can't believe this is an actual argument! Does everything have to be videotaped now? What happened to using basic common sense? Zimmerman is not a victim, Trayvon was and now he's dead cause Zimmerman brought a gun to a fist fight. A grown man can't take an ass whipping he asked for from a child. Smh
And yes, yes!! He's asking for trouble. He' cruising around like a vigilante looking for criminals carrying a piece. He's definitely looking for it. Loading his weapon is definitely asking for it. Ignoring police dispatchers to stand down is begging for it. If he wants to hunt for perps, he should have joined the police force and got himself a badge so he can have that kind of authority to ask questions whether he was just or not. But he did not and should not have been their harrassing some kid cause he thought he was suspicious with his candy and soda. Smh. |
let me correct you here lady, thats not what WE was talking about. But that is Exactly what he was talking about. "PEOPLE" doesnt translate to "Zimmerman" sorry. once again, you claim zimmerman as the aggressor yet he didnt throw the first strike....(most eye witnesses agree). As i have already said, zimmerman AND trayvon decided to ignore advice which would have prevented this so why is it fair to just blame zimmerman alone? Simple, it isnt but yall will continue to do so because he was a "kid" who looked 12 in the picture shown on the media first......all of which is false and has been proven false.....but nobody cares because they have already been lied to first and believe that above all else.
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Crow, I'm reacting to your hypothetical situation as you've reacted to mine. It made sense for you to do it but when I do it back you're up in arms! |
thats ted for ya lady, he will change the rules to his game at his will.....just sad he doesnt realize all he has done is become a means of entertainment for most people who argue/debate with him....for they see he is an imbecile who will always think he is right no matter how much proof or facts you throw at him proving otherwise. |
Lol, what is actually sad is that you will probably never comprehend how stupid, illogical, ignorant, and wrong the things you constantly say are...
Laughing at you on a semi-daily basis sure makes for great entertainment though. |
Thought I was the only one that did that.
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