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For all those who care... feel free to talk about Trayvon and Troy, and race and punishment in this thread, so that other threads can be spared.
I don't care, so I probably won't be posting anything else here, but you guys have fun now.
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 03:32:56
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lol, thanks steve and sorry about your other thread
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 03:36:31
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oh and "eye witness accounts are notoriously unreliable"
yes, i took 2 Highschool criminal justice classes and learned about them. It doesnt take a Dr.'s degree to know that.
But the FACT the guy was checked by the medical people then put into the squad car makes it kind of hard to say it wasnt the same guy.
"The initial police report noted that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of the head and nose, and after medical attention it was decided that he was in good enough condition to travel in a police cruiser to the Sanford, Fla., police station for questioning. "
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By TedThomas [887131]
He claims he was assaulted by the guy, big difference.
Audio experts have said to something like 99% certainity that it was not Zimmerman screaming and eye witness accounts are notoriously unreliable, especially when its dark and raining. Treyvon's girlfriend was on the phone with him when Zimmerman confronted him, so even if he did assault him it was because Zimmerman was following the kid. You dont get to shoot someone because you stalk them and you start losing a fight after you confronted them.
The only reason he got shot is because the Zimmerman thought he was suspicious for simply walking down the street and being black, and he followed him. If it wasnt for Zimmerman's prejudice the kid would be alive. |
he was wearing a Hoodie, kind of hard to see skin color at that point in time dont you think?
Also, read the words under the video and it says the guy was checked by the Medical people and then put into the squad car.....kind of hard to "prove" it wasnt him when its the same guy all the way through.
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 03:45:01
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No I dont think its hard to tell. Just because he supposedly had injuries (which miraculously the police have no evidence of, funny how cops always take pictures of injuries except for this time) doesnt mean he was the one on the ground. If he was on the ground when he shot him then there would be blood all over him, which there wasnt. Not to mention the fact that the coroner said there were no cuts or bruises to indicate he punched anyone.
Whatever you want to say, its 100% Zimmerman's fault that the kid got shot. He had no reason to follow him and no reason to shoot him, period.
Im glad he is sitting in jail and there is going to be an actual trial.
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 07:27:55
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By TedThomas [887131]
No I dont think its hard to tell. Just because he supposedly had injuries (which miraculously the police have no evidence of, funny how cops always take pictures of injuries except for this time) doesnt mean he was the one on the ground. If he was on the ground when he shot him then there would be blood all over him, which there wasnt. Not to mention the fact that the coroner said there were no cuts or bruises to indicate he punched anyone.
Whatever you want to say, its 100% Zimmerman's fault that the kid got shot. He had no reason to follow him and no reason to shoot him, period.
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really, so if i was to dress a guy up in pants and a hoodie with the hood on you could tell me if he was white black Mexican Asian? (when its dark and raining as you said) i think not, you would just see a guy (or at least somebody who could be a guy since you cant see the front and it could just as easy be a girl) wearing a hoodie walking outside when its dark (which really unless your on your way to work or coming back from work you really have no reason to be walking outside at night) and raining (which just gives you even more reason to wonder what the person is up to).
Sorry somebody walking at night in the rain is suspicious , or it could just be where i grew up people dont do that unless they are up to something. (i have had my own run in with cops who might have taken it a step to far, but i cant blame them)
But its obvious you just think there are still a good % of cops who are racist. Im willing to bet you back up your reasoning because of the % of the prison population thats black to white.
and as far as him sitting in jail.....thats where he is going to spend the rest of his life, for he will never be able to get a fair trial thanks to the racist pop stars coming out of the wood works blabbing about shit that didnt involve them what so ever.
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 09:39:56
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Yes I could tell if someone in a hoodie was black or not, and so could anyone with eyes. Especially if they are following them around. Give me a break. So apparently you think that someone cant figure out if a person they are following for 10 minutes is black or not but a witness can tell who is on top of who in a struggle in the dark through a window in 5 seconds. That makes total sense.
What do you mean he has no business walking around at night? Who the f**k are you to say who can walk when and where in their own neighborhood? So basically anyone who you dont think meets your standards you should be able to confront and shoot if they struggle with you, even if they are just walking back and forth to the store?
If he hadnt had followed him around for no reason than a kid (and we all know if it was a white kid he wouldnt have been following him, you are either delusional or full of shit if you think he would have) walking through his own neighborhood, Treyvon wouldnt be dead. Period. It doesnt matter one damn bit if he thought he was suspicious or not. That alone warrants an investigation (nevermind the fact that Zimmerman's story doesnt match up with the evidence), its really pathetic if you think otherwise.
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:05:35
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I just dont get it.
There is a kid who was walking through his own neighborhood from the store unarmed who was shot by a grown man with a gun, how can anyone seriously defend that there not be an investigation? Are you kidding me?
It doesnt matter if the kid was suspended or if Zimmerman thought he was suspicious. There is an unarmed kid that was walking through his neighborhood who is now dead.
Unarmed Kid + Armed Adult + Dead Kid = investigation
This shouldnt even be a debate, its ridiculous.
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:47:38
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your full shit, you cant tell if somebody is black or white if they are wearing a hoodie at night when its raining. Your full of shit if you think you cant tell a 17 year old is on top beating an adult, the silhouette is all you need to see.
your full of shit if you think there is any good reason for him to be out at that time unless he was on his way home from work. Your full of shit if you think if he was white the guy wouldnt have followed him. to put it clearly your just full of shit.
but just to show you have full of shit you are about saying you can tell what color somebody is when you cant see their skin at all, or if you can its a quick glimps and its dark (as you have said, you cant see details at night right?)
www.kirakdesigns.com/grey%20grown-up%20hoodie%20back%20view.jpg
media.impericon.com/media/catalog/product/d/e/deeznuts_stillhere_hoodie_back_lg.jpg
now heres silhouettes of people (what you CAN see of people at night)
www.clker.com/cliparts/n/t/U/X/q/N/silhouette-of-people-in-front-of-sunset-hi.png
static2.bigstockphoto.com/thumbs/1/4/4/large2/4415097.jpg
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you can see what each person looks like (or very close to it) and then connect the dots.
The eyewitness seen 2 people fighting on the ground, and said the silhouette of the bottom was closer to zimmerman. Zimmerman had injuries on the BACK of his head, which shows he was not even looking at the kid at the time.
Oh, and i love how people call mister Trayvon a "kid" he was 17, if he was the shooter he would get charged as an ADULT. The "kid" wasnt a kid at all. People like you call him a kid just to make it sound even worse. Because people hear a kid was shot and think 6-7 year olds, they get a picture in their head of a kid in elementary school. then the put it by a picture of zimmerman's mugshot.....thats a great way to keep things fair huh...
matter of fact here you go, if they would have put these 2 pictures besides each other people wouldnt have jumped all over zimmerman and he would still be able to get a fair trial.
taylormarsh.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/TrayvonMartin_Twitchyscreen-shot-2012-03-25-at-11-41-57-am.png?781ba0
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 17:54:53
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If you cant tell if someone is black or not you are f**king blind, sorry. And whether he though he was black or not really doesnt take away from the fact that Zimmerman was in the wrong no matter what f**king race he was.
How does an injury prove he was looking at him again and not just hit his head on the ground when they were rolling around? And since when does wrestling with someone warrant shooting them, especially when you were the one that followed them and caused the conflict?
So he has a picture of him flipping off a camera, of course he deserved to die. What the f**k does that have to do with anything?
Its pretty pathetic that you are blaming the victim for walking through his own neighborhood and championing this asshole who shot an unarmed kid. Yes I said kid, because that is what a 17 year old kid is. A kid.
These attempts at painting it as Treyvon's fault because he has some pictures where he looks "gangster" or because he got suspended from school are also f**king pathetic, you should feel like a worthless piece of shit for buying into it.
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 17:59:36
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By TedThomas [887131]
If you cant tell if someone is black or not you are f**king blind, sorry. And whether he though he was black or not really doesnt take away from the fact that Zimmerman was in the wrong no matter what f**king race he was.
How does an injury prove he was looking at him again and not just hit his head on the ground when they were rolling around? And since when does wrestling with someone warrant shooting them, especially when you were the one that followed them and caused the conflict?
So he has a picture of him flipping off a camera, of course he deserved to die. What the f**k does that have to do with anything?
Its pretty pathetic that you are blaming the victim for walking through his own neighborhood and championing this asshole who shot an unarmed kid. Yes I said kid, because that is what a 17 year old kid is. A kid.
These attempts at painting it as Treyvon's fault because he has some pictures where he looks "gangster" or because he got suspended from school are also f**king pathetic, you should feel like a worthless piece of shit for buying into it. |
He doesn't even look gangster, just a teenager.
Whatever he got shoot while he was unarmed and you're discussing with people who are and want all the population with guns.
I guess u will have to buy some Ted 
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 18:41:09
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He looks like a typical high school kid to me, Im not really sure what people are trying to prove by posting pictures of him flipping off a camera. I have pictures of me flipping off a camera and I wear hoodies pretty much every day, I guess I deserve to die walking to the store too.
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 20:27:39
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By TedThomas [887131]
If you cant tell if someone is black or not you are f**king blind, sorry. And whether he though he was black or not really doesnt take away from the fact that Zimmerman was in the wrong no matter what f**king race he was.
How does an injury prove he was looking at him again and not just hit his head on the ground when they were rolling around? And since when does wrestling with someone warrant shooting them, especially when you were the one that followed them and caused the conflict?
So he has a picture of him flipping off a camera, of course he deserved to die. What the f**k does that have to do with anything?
Its pretty pathetic that you are blaming the victim for walking through his own neighborhood and championing this asshole who shot an unarmed kid. Yes I said kid, because that is what a 17 year old kid is. A kid.
These attempts at painting it as Treyvon's fault because he has some pictures where he looks "gangster" or because he got suspended from school are also f**king pathetic, you should feel like a worthless piece of shit for buying into it. |
so you saying you can tell if somebody is black or white or mexican by the way they walk? Your ridiculous.
Sorry, suspended from school (shows he isnt a good person), posing as a gangster (shows he wasnt a good person) and walking around at night in a city that is not safe.(just gives more reason to believe he wasn't a good person)
now lets compare Zimmerman
was working on becoming a cop (shows he wanted to be a good person), called the cops FIRST because he thought the trayvon was about to commit a crime (based on the way he was dress and the time of night and the city, that isnt a completely off base claim), then started to follow him and he ran (which in the normal person's mind would just cement the claim of him being a criminal). Then the trayvon turned around and confronted Zimmerman and then attacked him, then Zimmerman shot him.
here a site to see its crime rate www.neighborhoodscout.com/fl/sanford/crime/
and maybe you forgot you can defend yourself with a gun when attacked...the legal term is SELF-DEFENSE...not sure if you knew that or not.....or are you just confused about the fact trayvon ATTACKED HIM?
oh, and just in case thats a new term for you, heres a legal definition of it
The protection of one's person or property against some injury attempted by another.
so trayvon taking Zimmerman to the ground is an attempt to injure. Zimmerman follow trayvon is just him following trayvon, no attempt to injury him even came to mind. He was just keeping an eye on him until the cops came.
Oh, and no a 17 year old man IS NOT a kid by any means. If you think a 17 year old guy is a kid your just fooling yourself. But im done with you because your a f**king idiot who think you can tell the color of a person without being able to see the skin.
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 20:44:25
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By TedThomas [887131]
He looks like a typical high school kid to me, Im not really sure what people are trying to prove by posting pictures of him flipping off a camera. I have pictures of me flipping off a camera and I wear hoodies pretty much every day, I guess I deserve to die walking to the store too. |
i have never said he deserved to die, i have only tried to show what was going through Zimmerman's mind. I have only put facts out there, trayvon was walking around at night in a bad city with a hoodie on walking by cars (im going to assume he wasnt walking fast since most people my age and younger dont). So, if you were training yourself to be a cop (since thats what he wanted to do), you would always be on high alert in a area like this. So he was in high alert, seen a guy (not a kid) walking slowly at night by cars and house in a bad area....seems very easy to jump to conclusion to me....but i guess i have a bit more street smart with that kind of stuff because i grew up where you had to be on high alert everywhere you went.
(and no, i dont know you or nor do i want to. I dont know if you grew up in a rich area, ghetto, projects, or just the normal middle class area. But i grew up in a semi project in DC then moved to a trailer park where you always had cops coming through because of drug dealers. Then i spent about a year in a ghetto. So i have had my fair share of being "profiled" as you people want to put it. I just seen it as the way of life when you live in a place where the crime rate is high.)
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 20:56:18
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No, I can tell by the color of their skin, like anyone with eyes.
Nothing you said justifies going after a KID walking down the street doing nothing but talking to his girlfriend on his phone. It doesnt matter if he was f**king satan at school, HE WASNT DOING ANYTHING. Anything that Zimmerman thought was going on was going on in his head. Running from a crazy person who is following you doesnt make you a criminal. All of that is also just what he claims to have happened which isnt supported by anything other than he said so.
Im not sure why you are so gung-ho about defending what he claims to have happened, is it because you just dont like black people? If this was a white kid, this wouldnt have even made the national news because the dude would be sitting in jail a month ago waiting for his trial. You can deny it all you want but its the truth.
And sorry, millions of people get suspended from school, it doesnt make them a bad person. You mean a teenager smoked pot? Stop the presses, that shit never happens.
Wearing typical hip hop clothes that millions of kids, rappers, and pop culture icons wear doesnt make you gangster or a bad person and either does walking around at night in your own damn neighborhood.
You are a judgemental asshole. Is it because you are not used to being around non-white people? Go to LA, half the people are dressed like that. Does that mean everyone is gangsters and criminals? No, it called popular fashion retard.
How anyone who isnt a f**king retard couldnt see that there should be an investigation over this is beyond me. The fact that you want to continuing to villanise the victim shows how truly pathetic you are.
Simple fact of the matter is if Zimmerman hadnt folowed him and confronted him Treyvon would be alive, period. It doesnt matter what he thought he might do, because whatever he thought he was going to do was dead f**king wrong. He made a judgement call based on stereotypes and he was wrong so he should have to answer for his mistake. Period.
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 21:15:46
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no, your just a damn ignorant moron who thinks everywhere you go theres nothing but lollipops and rainbows. Step outside of your damn safe haven and take a real look at the world.
if he didnt follow him, he could have proved zimmerman right, and committed a crime. Sorry, but crime reports dont over estimate how bad a place is, it only under estimates it. Sorry, zimmerman was just trying to be a good person and making sure somebody else wasnt victimized. Sorry you only see the bad, and not the good. Sorry you see a grown man as a kid, sorry you can only understand trayvon's side. Hell im just sorry your a complete jackass who cant even comprehend the situation beyond what the racist pop stars and the racist people of the ncaap have said.
im done, your just too damn bullheaded to even attempt to reason with.
(to make it clear, i see this as a complete and utterly tragic event. where 1 guy was doing nothing wrong and another guy thought he was doing the right thing. Where 1 guy lost his life in the event and the other will lose his because of the event. Where 1 guy is being used as a martyr and the other is being thrown to the mob to satisfy their hunger. This situation has been blown up and abused by people who want to try and make something out of nothing. the pop stars, president and ncaap dont give a rats ass about trayvon, they just see a black guy who was unarmed killed by somebody who looked white and jumped at the chance to show racism is just as bad as it has always been.)
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 21:20:10
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By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
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He looks like a typical high school kid to me, Im not really sure what people are trying to prove by posting pictures of him flipping off a camera. I have pictures of me flipping off a camera and I wear hoodies pretty much every day, I guess I deserve to die walking to the store too. |
i have never said he deserved to die, i have only tried to show what was going through Zimmerman's mind. I have only put facts out there, trayvon was walking around at night in a bad city with a hoodie on walking by cars (im going to assume he wasnt walking fast since most people my age and younger dont). So, if you were training yourself to be a cop (since thats what he wanted to do), you would always be on high alert in a area like this. So he was in high alert, seen a guy (not a kid) walking slowly at night by cars and house in a bad area....seems very easy to jump to conclusion to me....but i guess i have a bit more street smart with that kind of stuff because i grew up where you had to be on high alert everywhere you went.
(and no, i dont know you or nor do i want to. I dont know if you grew up in a rich area, ghetto, projects, or just the normal middle class area. But i grew up in a semi project in DC then moved to a trailer park where you always had cops coming through because of drug dealers. Then i spent about a year in a ghetto. So i have had my fair share of being "profiled" as you people want to put it. I just seen it as the way of life when you live in a place where the crime rate is high.) |
Who gives a shit what was going through his mind, he was wrong and he isnt a cop.
He f**ked up, he should face the consequences. If he had left it to the police like he was supposed to Treyvon would be alive. Period. Whether Treyvon attacked a guy who was following him around first or not is inconsequential. How do you know that Treyvon wasnt defending himself from someone he thought to be some weirdo following him around who continued to chase him after he tried to run away from him?
All he had to do was say "stop, I have a gun" (you know like an actual cop) and there wouldnt have been a fight in the first place.
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 21:25:49
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By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
no, your just a damn ignorant moron who thinks everywhere you go theres nothing but lollipops and rainbows. Step outside of your damn safe haven and take a real look at the world.
if he didnt follow him, he could have proved zimmerman right, and committed a crime. Sorry, but crime reports dont over estimate how bad a place is, it only under estimates it. Sorry, zimmerman was just trying to be a good person and making sure somebody else wasnt victimized. Sorry you only see the bad, and not the good. Sorry you see a grown man as a kid, sorry you can only understand trayvon's side. Hell im just sorry your a complete jackass who cant even comprehend the situation beyond what the racist pop stars and the racist people of the ncaap have said.
im done, your just too damn bullheaded to even attempt to reason with.
(to make it clear, i see this as a complete and utterly tragic event. where 1 guy was doing nothing wrong and another guy thought he was doing the right thing. Where 1 guy lost his life in the event and the other will lose his because of the event. Where 1 guy is being used as a martyr and the other is being thrown to the mob to satisfy their hunger. This situation has been blown up and abused by people who want to try and make something out of nothing. the pop stars, president and ncaap dont give a rats ass about trayvon, they just see a black guy who was unarmed killed by somebody who looked white and jumped at the chance to show racism is just as bad as it has always been.) |
Or he could have let the cops do their job... You know, like a normal person.
That's the thing, I understand both sides. Its just that one side isnt supported by facts and I tend not to believe the person who is trying to keep their ass out of jail for f**king up especially when all the evidence (except one guy) shows something else other than what he is saying hppened.
You just want to automatically make it the black kids fault because he "looked suspicious" walking down the street, whatever the f**k that means. Apparently in your version of the country, you are only allowed to walk outdoors at night if you get a permission slip.
Im sorry that you want to live in an America where people can just shoot each other and then just say they felt threatened, and then just let them go without an investigation. I dont.
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 21:34:48
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He looks like a typical high school kid to me, Im not really sure what people are trying to prove by posting pictures of him flipping off a camera. I have pictures of me flipping off a camera and I wear hoodies pretty much every day, I guess I deserve to die walking to the store too. |
i have never said he deserved to die, i have only tried to show what was going through Zimmerman's mind. I have only put facts out there, trayvon was walking around at night in a bad city with a hoodie on walking by cars (im going to assume he wasnt walking fast since most people my age and younger dont). So, if you were training yourself to be a cop (since thats what he wanted to do), you would always be on high alert in a area like this. So he was in high alert, seen a guy (not a kid) walking slowly at night by cars and house in a bad area....seems very easy to jump to conclusion to me....but i guess i have a bit more street smart with that kind of stuff because i grew up where you had to be on high alert everywhere you went.
(and no, i dont know you or nor do i want to. I dont know if you grew up in a rich area, ghetto, projects, or just the normal middle class area. But i grew up in a semi project in DC then moved to a trailer park where you always had cops coming through because of drug dealers. Then i spent about a year in a ghetto. So i have had my fair share of being "profiled" as you people want to put it. I just seen it as the way of life when you live in a place where the crime rate is high.) |
Who gives a shit what was going through his mind, he was wrong and he isnt a cop.
He f**ked up, he should face the consequences. If he had left it to the police like he was supposed to Treyvon would be alive. Period. Whether Treyvon attacked a guy who was following him around first or not is inconsequential. How do you know that Treyvon wasnt defending himself from someone he thought to be some weirdo following him around who continued to chase him after he tried to run away from him?
All he had to do was say "stop, I have a gun" (you know like an actual cop) and there wouldnt have been a fight in the first place. |
no, you cant say "i have a gun" because then your threatening him with a lethal weapn and thats against the law. (its stupid but thats how it is, you cannot warn them because then can have you will be charged and arrested). Take a CCW class and you will be shocked by all the bullshit laws there are.
and cops have proven to be unreliable in most cases. They show up after the crime has been committed.
and you cant attack somebody for following you, sorry. If they are not threatening you, you cannot assault them period. No if ands or buts. He could have called the cops himself and report the guy (which shows just how reliable the cops are there, Trayvon would rather deal with the situation himself with a man he did not know, and had no clue what he could have had instead of call the cops.)
Now if you want to talk law, im more then happy to continue. im more then happy to share some of information i got in highschool, granted its very very limited it seems some of it you dont know.
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 21:49:07
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How do you know he didnt feel threatened? I would feel pretty threatened if someone was following me around in the rain in the dark and continued to chase after me when I ran away.
How do you know Treyvon attacked him and that he wasnt just just defending himself. How do you know that Zimmerman didnt try to stop and detain him and that's how the "assault" happened. You dont. For all he knew Zimmerman could have been trying to throw him in a back of van to go rape and murder him. Zimmerman's story doesnt make sense and that's why there needs to be an investigation.
I dont know what your problem is with trying to figure out the truth instead of just taking some overzealous wanna-be cops story (who has a history of being violent and had complaints by his neighbors for being too aggressive by the way).
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 22:01:25
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How do you know he didnt feel threatened? I would feel pretty threatened if someone was following me around in the rain in the dark and continued to chase after me when I ran away.
How do you know Treyvon attacked him and that he wasnt just just defending himself. How do you know that Zimmerman didnt try to stop and detain him and that's how the "assault" happened. You dont. For all he knew Zimmerman could have been trying to throw him in a back of van to go rape and murder him. Zimmerman's story doesnt make sense and that's why there needs to be an investigation.
I dont know what your problem is with trying to figure out the truth instead of just taking some overzealous wanna-be cops story (who has a history of being violent and had complaints by his neighbors for being too aggressive by the way). |
i never said there shouldnt be an investigation. i just dont think he should have to be spending time in jail and be considered the monster of all monsters before we even know the facts. I think the media shouldnt be calling a 17 year old trayvon a kid, because all that does is add fuel to the fire that isnt even accurate.
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 22:09:55
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I think anyone who makes assumptions on this case is purely doing so on assumptions. As usual, people lose their mind and ability too think rationally and logically when it becomes a "race issue." If this was two "white" people or two "black" people, we would have never heard about it, or if we did hear about it, we would be able to discuss it in a civil manner.
But, that's not the case. And instantly now the entire argument for both sides becomes a shit show of opinions.
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 22:34:24
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By bosox [278767]
I think anyone who makes assumptions on this case is purely doing so on assumptions. As usual, people lose their mind and ability too think rationally and logically when it becomes a "race issue." If this was two "white" people or two "black" people, we would have never heard about it, or if we did hear about it, we would be able to discuss it in a civil manner.
But, that's not the case. And instantly now the entire argument for both sides becomes a shit show of opinions. |
thank the ncaap, pop stars, and president.....
but what gets me is they made zimmerman out to be a white man (which isnt true). But i bet most of the people who are up in arms over this still think he is. (just because if it was mexican/black conflict people still wouldnt be this pissed off, theres something about a black/white conflict that just sets everybody off.)
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 22:55:08
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By TedThomas [887131]
How do you know he didnt feel threatened? I would feel pretty threatened if someone was following me around in the rain in the dark and continued to chase after me when I ran away.
How do you know Treyvon attacked him and that he wasnt just just defending himself. How do you know that Zimmerman didnt try to stop and detain him and that's how the "assault" happened. You dont. For all he knew Zimmerman could have been trying to throw him in a back of van to go rape and murder him. Zimmerman's story doesnt make sense and that's why there needs to be an investigation.
I dont know what your problem is with trying to figure out the truth instead of just taking some overzealous wanna-be cops story (who has a history of being violent and had complaints by his neighbors for being too aggressive by the way). |
i never said there shouldnt be an investigation. i just dont think he should have to be spending time in jail and be considered the monster of all monsters before we even know the facts. I think the media shouldnt be calling a 17 year old trayvon a kid, because all that does is add fuel to the fire that isnt even accurate. |
How do you think investigations work?
They charge you, you get out on bail, and they put their case together.
A 17 year old is a kid to anyone over the age of 25, sorry to break it to you.
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 23:00:59
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By bosox [278767]
I think anyone who makes assumptions on this case is purely doing so on assumptions. As usual, people lose their mind and ability too think rationally and logically when it becomes a "race issue." If this was two "white" people or two "black" people, we would have never heard about it, or if we did hear about it, we would be able to discuss it in a civil manner.
But, that's not the case. And instantly now the entire argument for both sides becomes a shit show of opinions. |
That is the point. If it was a black adult who shot a white kid in his own neighborhood we would have never heard about it because the black guy would be sitting in jail. Not walking around for a month and half with practically no investigation.
But because its a just another suspicious looking black kid who got shot, nobody cared about until it got media coverage.
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 23:03:40
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By TedThomas [887131]
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By TedThomas [887131]
How do you know he didnt feel threatened? I would feel pretty threatened if someone was following me around in the rain in the dark and continued to chase after me when I ran away.
How do you know Treyvon attacked him and that he wasnt just just defending himself. How do you know that Zimmerman didnt try to stop and detain him and that's how the "assault" happened. You dont. For all he knew Zimmerman could have been trying to throw him in a back of van to go rape and murder him. Zimmerman's story doesnt make sense and that's why there needs to be an investigation.
I dont know what your problem is with trying to figure out the truth instead of just taking some overzealous wanna-be cops story (who has a history of being violent and had complaints by his neighbors for being too aggressive by the way). |
i never said there shouldnt be an investigation. i just dont think he should have to be spending time in jail and be considered the monster of all monsters before we even know the facts. I think the media shouldnt be calling a 17 year old trayvon a kid, because all that does is add fuel to the fire that isnt even accurate. |
How do you think investigations work?
They charge you, you get out on bail, and they put their case together.
A 17 year old is a kid to anyone over the age of 25, sorry to break it to you. |
the way things are going tho, he wont get out on bail.
no, maybe he is a kid to you and anybody else who has a misguided view of people. But once you are 17, you are no longer a kid, hell id say once your 16 you are no longer a kid since you can get a real job at that time (without having to get a working permit). Sorry if you dont see the difference between a kid and a young adult. (ill give you a hint tho, a kid is still in elementary school and middle school, a young adult is high school and up.)
which is why when your in highschool the teacher call the students young adults not kids.
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 23:09:04
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By TedThomas [887131]
By bosox [278767]
I think anyone who makes assumptions on this case is purely doing so on assumptions. As usual, people lose their mind and ability too think rationally and logically when it becomes a "race issue." If this was two "white" people or two "black" people, we would have never heard about it, or if we did hear about it, we would be able to discuss it in a civil manner.
But, that's not the case. And instantly now the entire argument for both sides becomes a shit show of opinions. |
That is the point. If it was a black adult who shot a white kid in his own neighborhood we would have never heard about it because the black guy would be sitting in jail. Not walking around for a month and half with practically no investigation.
But because its a just another suspicious looking black kid who got shot, nobody cared about until it got media coverage. |
you mean until the ncaap got involved? yes, because thats a great step up huh? a racist group jumps onto a guy who was thought to be white....
But to bad you proved my point already that most people up in arms over this dont realize he isnt white....
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 23:11:35
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By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
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By bosox [278767]
I think anyone who makes assumptions on this case is purely doing so on assumptions. As usual, people lose their mind and ability too think rationally and logically when it becomes a "race issue." If this was two "white" people or two "black" people, we would have never heard about it, or if we did hear about it, we would be able to discuss it in a civil manner.
But, that's not the case. And instantly now the entire argument for both sides becomes a shit show of opinions. |
That is the point. If it was a black adult who shot a white kid in his own neighborhood we would have never heard about it because the black guy would be sitting in jail. Not walking around for a month and half with practically no investigation.
But because its a just another suspicious looking black kid who got shot, nobody cared about until it got media coverage. |
you mean until the ncaap got involved? yes, because thats a great step up huh? a racist group jumps onto a guy who was thought to be white....
But to bad you proved my point already that most people up in arms over this dont realize he isnt white.... |
I know he is hispanic thanks.
That has nothing to do with people caring that a black kid got shot or that a black man would be in jail for shooting a white kid.
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 23:13:57
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How do you know he didnt feel threatened? I would feel pretty threatened if someone was following me around in the rain in the dark and continued to chase after me when I ran away.
How do you know Treyvon attacked him and that he wasnt just just defending himself. How do you know that Zimmerman didnt try to stop and detain him and that's how the "assault" happened. You dont. For all he knew Zimmerman could have been trying to throw him in a back of van to go rape and murder him. Zimmerman's story doesnt make sense and that's why there needs to be an investigation.
I dont know what your problem is with trying to figure out the truth instead of just taking some overzealous wanna-be cops story (who has a history of being violent and had complaints by his neighbors for being too aggressive by the way). |
i never said there shouldnt be an investigation. i just dont think he should have to be spending time in jail and be considered the monster of all monsters before we even know the facts. I think the media shouldnt be calling a 17 year old trayvon a kid, because all that does is add fuel to the fire that isnt even accurate. |
How do you think investigations work?
They charge you, you get out on bail, and they put their case together.
A 17 year old is a kid to anyone over the age of 25, sorry to break it to you. |
the way things are going tho, he wont get out on bail.
no, maybe he is a kid to you and anybody else who has a misguided view of people. But once you are 17, you are no longer a kid, hell id say once your 16 you are no longer a kid since you can get a real job at that time (without having to get a working permit). Sorry if you dont see the difference between a kid and a young adult. (ill give you a hint tho, a kid is still in elementary school and middle school, a young adult is high school and up.)
which is why when your in highschool the teacher call the students young adults not kids. |
Yes he will. All his lawyers have to do is say that he isnt a flight risk because if he was he wouldnt be around anymore.
Im sorry that you are such a kid that you dont know what a kid is, kid.
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 23:21:01
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How do you know he didnt feel threatened? I would feel pretty threatened if someone was following me around in the rain in the dark and continued to chase after me when I ran away.
How do you know Treyvon attacked him and that he wasnt just just defending himself. How do you know that Zimmerman didnt try to stop and detain him and that's how the "assault" happened. You dont. For all he knew Zimmerman could have been trying to throw him in a back of van to go rape and murder him. Zimmerman's story doesnt make sense and that's why there needs to be an investigation.
I dont know what your problem is with trying to figure out the truth instead of just taking some overzealous wanna-be cops story (who has a history of being violent and had complaints by his neighbors for being too aggressive by the way). |
i never said there shouldnt be an investigation. i just dont think he should have to be spending time in jail and be considered the monster of all monsters before we even know the facts. I think the media shouldnt be calling a 17 year old trayvon a kid, because all that does is add fuel to the fire that isnt even accurate. |
How do you think investigations work?
They charge you, you get out on bail, and they put their case together.
A 17 year old is a kid to anyone over the age of 25, sorry to break it to you. |
the way things are going tho, he wont get out on bail.
no, maybe he is a kid to you and anybody else who has a misguided view of people. But once you are 17, you are no longer a kid, hell id say once your 16 you are no longer a kid since you can get a real job at that time (without having to get a working permit). Sorry if you dont see the difference between a kid and a young adult. (ill give you a hint tho, a kid is still in elementary school and middle school, a young adult is high school and up.)
which is why when your in highschool the teacher call the students young adults not kids. |
Yes he will. All his lawyers have to do is say that he isnt a flight risk because if he was he wouldnt be around anymore.
Im sorry that you are such a kid that you dont know what a kid is, kid. |
lol, bail isnt determined just by flight risk, sorry if you dont realize that.
adult-fully developed and mature
kid- a young person; especially : child —often used as a generalized reference to one especially younger or less experienced
young adult-a person in the early years of adulthood.
so um...which would a 17 year old person fall into? I find it funny you just refuse to admit being wrong, and will just make a complete and utter fool of yourself.
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 23:28:03
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My brother is 17, he is a kid to me. Sorry kid.
"often used as a generalized reference to one especially younger or less experienced"
Yep, thanks for agreeing with me.
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Posted on Fri Apr 13, 2012 23:31:18
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By TedThomas [887131]
My brother is 17, he is a kid to me. Sorry kid. |
lol, well at least you have proved you have no problem just throwing facts out the window because of your opinion....
lol, maybe you missed this "a person in the early years of adulthood." which fits a 17 year old much better....
sorry to burst your bubble, but your brother is not a kid.
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