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Posted on Sun Apr 15, 2012 20:59:42
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By Hanoth [4634] Im just wondering what law he broke that he should be treated as an adult when he was unarmed and shot?
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i will just ignore the rest of the people here sprewing BS, and answer this question for you.
He assaulted zimmerman, hence why he pulled his gun and fired.
If somebody is following you, you dont have the right to turn around an cold cock the guy.
Its funny tho, everybody is saying zimmerman should have left it to the cops.....but say trayvon is in the right for assaulting zimmerman because he was following him. Should trayvon have called the cops also, and have the cops come and arrest zimmerman instead of starting a fight, or is it okay for him to defend himself but not okay for zimmerman? |
lol....
Who's saying Trayvon's in the right for assaulting Zimmerman? Furthermore, did Zimmerman just tell Trayvon who he was being a neighborhood watch? Did he at least say "fall back kid...I'm strapped" while Trayvon turned around to confront him? Yes, he should've left it to the cops.
What aren't you getting? It's perfectly fine for Zimmerman to defend himself, that's common sense, but without a weapon. He pulled out & popped an unarmed kid. Zimmerman went looking for trouble. "assholes" "they always get away with shit"...something to that effect based on the 911 calls. He knew what he was doing. Case closed. Trayvon was calling for help seconds before he was killed. Zimmerman didn't have to pull the trigger. He could've made this kid do something silly like a handstand with him at gunpoint, but he didn't. He decided to kill him. That isn't defending yourself. He could've held that kid at gunpoint while the cops arrived and chose not to. This shit would've stayed swept under the rug, but because of the outcry it didn't go 'according to script'....which is why Zimmerman's awaiting a trial.
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Posted on Sun Apr 15, 2012 21:18:35
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By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
By Hanoth [4634] Im just wondering what law he broke that he should be treated as an adult when he was unarmed and shot?
Just curious is all. |
i will just ignore the rest of the people here sprewing BS, and answer this question for you.
He assaulted zimmerman, hence why he pulled his gun and fired.
If somebody is following you, you dont have the right to turn around an cold cock the guy.
Its funny tho, everybody is saying zimmerman should have left it to the cops.....but say trayvon is in the right for assaulting zimmerman because he was following him. Should trayvon have called the cops also, and have the cops come and arrest zimmerman instead of starting a fight, or is it okay for him to defend himself but not okay for zimmerman? |
There is a difference between defending yourself and killing someone. Since when do you get to just shoot someone for punching you, especially when you caused the confrontation? You have a gun, the other person doesnt. You dont have to shoot them to stop a fight and you could have stopped it before it happened.
Again what are you arguing? You already said you dont disagree that there should be an investigation, so what is your problem? What is your point?
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Posted on Sun Apr 15, 2012 21:18:37
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By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
By Hanoth [4634] Im just wondering what law he broke that he should be treated as an adult when he was unarmed and shot?
Just curious is all. |
i will just ignore the rest of the people here sprewing BS, and answer this question for you.
He assaulted zimmerman, hence why he pulled his gun and fired.
If somebody is following you, you dont have the right to turn around an cold cock the guy.
Its funny tho, everybody is saying zimmerman should have left it to the cops.....but say trayvon is in the right for assaulting zimmerman because he was following him. Should trayvon have called the cops also, and have the cops come and arrest zimmerman instead of starting a fight, or is it okay for him to defend himself but not okay for zimmerman? |
lol....
Who's saying Trayvon's in the right for assaulting Zimmerman? Furthermore, did Zimmerman just tell Trayvon who he was being a neighborhood watch? Did he at least say "fall back kid...I'm strapped" while Trayvon turned around to confront him? Yes, he should've left it to the cops.
What aren't you getting? It's perfectly fine for Zimmerman to defend himself, that's common sense, but without a weapon. He pulled out & popped an unarmed kid. Zimmerman went looking for trouble. "assholes" "they always get away with shit"...something to that effect based on the 911 calls. He knew what he was doing. Case closed. Trayvon was calling for help seconds before he was killed. Zimmerman didn't have to pull the trigger. He could've made this kid do something silly like a handstand with him at gunpoint, but he didn't. He decided to kill him. That isn't defending yourself. He could've held that kid at gunpoint while the cops arrived and chose not to. This shit would've stayed swept under the rug, but because of the outcry it didn't go 'according to script'....which is why Zimmerman's awaiting a trial. |
bull f**king shit, Zimmerman has every right to defend himself with any means necessary. Trayvon was better when it came to hand to hand combat, so unless he wanted his skull bashed in he had to use his gun. He did, and now people like you want to say he didnt have the right, thats bullshit. Yes, he could have just held trayvon at gunpoint, thats true. But he was in the heat of the moment and his life was on the line so he did what he thought he had to.
About trayvon screaming for help before he was shot, i havnt heard/read anything about that so if you would please send me a link so i can read about that.
as i have said, i agree zimmerman should be charged with man slaughter. But he shouldnt be hung before he even gets a fair trial (thats what pisses me off, i agree the situation could have been handled better, but the Media got their hands on it an have blown it way out of proportion and pretty much killed zimmerman.) Sorry if its hard to follow my arguement (i know it is) but when things piss me off my thoughts get jumbled and scrambled.
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Posted on Sun Apr 15, 2012 21:35:07
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His life was on the line against someone 100 pounds lighter than him? Bullshit.
If thats what he thought he had to do in the heat of the moment, he shouldnt be carrying a gun.
Here's that article for you buddy.
usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/01/10963191-trayvon-martin-case-911-call-screams-not-george-zimmermans-2-experts-say
What is this crap about not having a fair trial. You act like this is the only murder trial that has gotten media attention in history. What about a fair trial for Treyvon? You have already decided that what Zimmerman says is what happened, even though the evidence shows otherwise.
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Posted on Sun Apr 15, 2012 22:10:51
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By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
By -El- [463504]
By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
By Hanoth [4634] Im just wondering what law he broke that he should be treated as an adult when he was unarmed and shot?
Just curious is all. |
i will just ignore the rest of the people here sprewing BS, and answer this question for you.
He assaulted zimmerman, hence why he pulled his gun and fired.
If somebody is following you, you dont have the right to turn around an cold cock the guy.
Its funny tho, everybody is saying zimmerman should have left it to the cops.....but say trayvon is in the right for assaulting zimmerman because he was following him. Should trayvon have called the cops also, and have the cops come and arrest zimmerman instead of starting a fight, or is it okay for him to defend himself but not okay for zimmerman? |
lol....
Who's saying Trayvon's in the right for assaulting Zimmerman? Furthermore, did Zimmerman just tell Trayvon who he was being a neighborhood watch? Did he at least say "fall back kid...I'm strapped" while Trayvon turned around to confront him? Yes, he should've left it to the cops.
What aren't you getting? It's perfectly fine for Zimmerman to defend himself, that's common sense, but without a weapon. He pulled out & popped an unarmed kid. Zimmerman went looking for trouble. "assholes" "they always get away with shit"...something to that effect based on the 911 calls. He knew what he was doing. Case closed. Trayvon was calling for help seconds before he was killed. Zimmerman didn't have to pull the trigger. He could've made this kid do something silly like a handstand with him at gunpoint, but he didn't. He decided to kill him. That isn't defending yourself. He could've held that kid at gunpoint while the cops arrived and chose not to. This shit would've stayed swept under the rug, but because of the outcry it didn't go 'according to script'....which is why Zimmerman's awaiting a trial. |
bull f**king shit, Zimmerman has every right to defend himself with any means necessary. Trayvon was better when it came to hand to hand combat, so unless he wanted his skull bashed in he had to use his gun. He did, and now people like you want to say he didnt have the right, thats bullshit. Yes, he could have just held trayvon at gunpoint, thats true. But he was in the heat of the moment and his life was on the line so he did what he thought he had to.
About trayvon screaming for help before he was shot, i havnt heard/read anything about that so if you would please send me a link so i can read about that.
as i have said, i agree zimmerman should be charged with man slaughter. But he shouldnt be hung before he even gets a fair trial (thats what pisses me off, i agree the situation could have been handled better, but the Media got their hands on it an have blown it way out of proportion and pretty much killed zimmerman.) Sorry if its hard to follow my arguement (i know it is) but when things piss me off my thoughts get jumbled and scrambled.
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Problem is : it seems without the media and political intervention there wouldn't be any trial for Zimmerman, he's a free cops, a little zealous 
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Posted on Sun Apr 15, 2012 22:15:02
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By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
bull f**king shit, Zimmerman has every right to defend himself with any means necessary. Trayvon was better when it came to hand to hand combat, so unless he wanted his skull bashed in he had to use his gun. He did, and now people like you want to say he didnt have the right, thats bullshit. Yes, he could have just held trayvon at gunpoint, thats true. But he was in the heat of the moment and his life was on the line so he did what he thought he had to.
About trayvon screaming for help before he was shot, i havnt heard/read anything about that so if you would please send me a link so i can read about that.
as i have said, i agree zimmerman should be charged with man slaughter. But he shouldnt be hung before he even gets a fair trial (thats what pisses me off, i agree the situation could have been handled better, but the Media got their hands on it an have blown it way out of proportion and pretty much killed zimmerman.) Sorry if its hard to follow my arguement (i know it is) but when things piss me off my thoughts get jumbled and scrambled. |
You know what could've happened? Something like this:
1. Zimmerman follows Trayvon
2. Trayvon puts his gf on hold who's on the phone
3. Trayvon confronts Zimmerman & whoops his ass
4. Zimmerman pulls out & waits for the cops
5. Trayvon gets locked up for assault, probably gets probation, maybe community service, & if he has a record, some jail time
In that scenario, Trayvon's in the wrong. There's no disputing that, but Zimmerman just f**ked that all up. If someone pulls out a gun on you, you instantly freeze. You don't do shit (although I've seen some people piss on themselves which is pretty funny lol). Fat boy knew the cops were coming & could've stopped right then & there but he didn't want to, even when the kid was screaming for help.
That's all there is to it.
You haven't heard about Trayvon screaming for help? Zimmerman flat out lied saying it was him screaming until that call was analyzed.
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Posted on Mon Apr 16, 2012 02:44:09
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By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
bull f**king shit, Zimmerman has every right to defend himself with any means necessary. Trayvon was better when it came to hand to hand combat, so unless he wanted his skull bashed in he had to use his gun. He did, and now people like you want to say he didnt have the right, thats bullshit. Yes, he could have just held trayvon at gunpoint, thats true. But he was in the heat of the moment and his life was on the line so he did what he thought he had to.
About trayvon screaming for help before he was shot, i havnt heard/read anything about that so if you would please send me a link so i can read about that.
as i have said, i agree zimmerman should be charged with man slaughter. But he shouldnt be hung before he even gets a fair trial (thats what pisses me off, i agree the situation could have been handled better, but the Media got their hands on it an have blown it way out of proportion and pretty much killed zimmerman.) Sorry if its hard to follow my arguement (i know it is) but when things piss me off my thoughts get jumbled and scrambled. |
You know what could've happened? Something like this:
1. Zimmerman follows Trayvon
2. Trayvon puts his gf on hold who's on the phone
3. Trayvon confronts Zimmerman & whoops his ass
4. Zimmerman pulls out & waits for the cops
5. Trayvon gets locked up for assault, probably gets probation, maybe community service, & if he has a record, some jail time
In that scenario, Trayvon's in the wrong. There's no disputing that, but Zimmerman just f**ked that all up. If someone pulls out a gun on you, you instantly freeze. You don't do shit (although I've seen some people piss on themselves which is pretty funny lol). Fat boy knew the cops were coming & could've stopped right then & there but he didn't want to, even when the kid was screaming for help.
That's all there is to it.
You haven't heard about Trayvon screaming for help? Zimmerman flat out lied saying it was him screaming until that call was analyzed.
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And you know, if the guy was so scares for his life that he needed to shoot the kid then why not just shoot him in the arm or leg? I mean thats not likely to kill you before help arrives but i seriously doubt that you gunna be happy about it.
And CoolHandLuke self defence is using reasonable force. Its not reasonable to assume that a potentially fatal shooting would be fair force. Now while i dont know US law i know that if the guy was charged here it would be murder as his intent was pretty clear even if that was only his intent for a moment.
See people can make bad calls in the heat of the moment without being racist and i genuinely dont think it was a hate crime. Regardless though, if you decision costs someone their life then you should be judged for the action itself and not your intent.
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Posted on Mon Apr 16, 2012 02:44:40
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By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
bull f**king shit, Zimmerman has every right to defend himself with any means necessary. Trayvon was better when it came to hand to hand combat, so unless he wanted his skull bashed in he had to use his gun. He did, and now people like you want to say he didnt have the right, thats bullshit. Yes, he could have just held trayvon at gunpoint, thats true. But he was in the heat of the moment and his life was on the line so he did what he thought he had to.
About trayvon screaming for help before he was shot, i havnt heard/read anything about that so if you would please send me a link so i can read about that.
as i have said, i agree zimmerman should be charged with man slaughter. But he shouldnt be hung before he even gets a fair trial (thats what pisses me off, i agree the situation could have been handled better, but the Media got their hands on it an have blown it way out of proportion and pretty much killed zimmerman.) Sorry if its hard to follow my arguement (i know it is) but when things piss me off my thoughts get jumbled and scrambled. |
You know what could've happened? Something like this:
1. Zimmerman follows Trayvon
2. Trayvon puts his gf on hold who's on the phone
3. Trayvon confronts Zimmerman & whoops his ass
4. Zimmerman pulls out & waits for the cops
5. Trayvon gets locked up for assault, probably gets probation, maybe community service, & if he has a record, some jail time
In that scenario, Trayvon's in the wrong. There's no disputing that, but Zimmerman just f**ked that all up. If someone pulls out a gun on you, you instantly freeze. You don't do shit (although I've seen some people piss on themselves which is pretty funny lol). Fat boy knew the cops were coming & could've stopped right then & there but he didn't want to, even when the kid was screaming for help.
That's all there is to it.
You haven't heard about Trayvon screaming for help? Zimmerman flat out lied saying it was him screaming until that call was analyzed.
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And you know, if the guy was so scares for his life that he needed to shoot the kid then why not just shoot him in the arm or leg? I mean thats not likely to kill you before help arrives but i seriously doubt that you gunna be happy about it.
And CoolHandLuke self defence is using reasonable force. Its not reasonable to assume that a potentially fatal shooting would be fair force. Now while i dont know US law i know that if the guy was charged here it would be murder as his intent was pretty clear even if that was only his intent for a moment.
See people can make bad calls in the heat of the moment without being racist and i genuinely dont think it was a hate crime. Regardless though, if you decision costs someone their life then you should be judged for the action itself and not your intent.
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Posted on Mon Apr 16, 2012 04:25:50
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By Hanoth [4634]
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By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
bull f**king shit, Zimmerman has every right to defend himself with any means necessary. Trayvon was better when it came to hand to hand combat, so unless he wanted his skull bashed in he had to use his gun. He did, and now people like you want to say he didnt have the right, thats bullshit. Yes, he could have just held trayvon at gunpoint, thats true. But he was in the heat of the moment and his life was on the line so he did what he thought he had to.
About trayvon screaming for help before he was shot, i havnt heard/read anything about that so if you would please send me a link so i can read about that.
as i have said, i agree zimmerman should be charged with man slaughter. But he shouldnt be hung before he even gets a fair trial (thats what pisses me off, i agree the situation could have been handled better, but the Media got their hands on it an have blown it way out of proportion and pretty much killed zimmerman.) Sorry if its hard to follow my arguement (i know it is) but when things piss me off my thoughts get jumbled and scrambled. |
You know what could've happened? Something like this:
1. Zimmerman follows Trayvon
2. Trayvon puts his gf on hold who's on the phone
3. Trayvon confronts Zimmerman & whoops his ass
4. Zimmerman pulls out & waits for the cops
5. Trayvon gets locked up for assault, probably gets probation, maybe community service, & if he has a record, some jail time
In that scenario, Trayvon's in the wrong. There's no disputing that, but Zimmerman just f**ked that all up. If someone pulls out a gun on you, you instantly freeze. You don't do shit (although I've seen some people piss on themselves which is pretty funny lol). Fat boy knew the cops were coming & could've stopped right then & there but he didn't want to, even when the kid was screaming for help.
That's all there is to it.
You haven't heard about Trayvon screaming for help? Zimmerman flat out lied saying it was him screaming until that call was analyzed.
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And you know, if the guy was so scares for his life that he needed to shoot the kid then why not just shoot him in the arm or leg? I mean thats not likely to kill you before help arrives but i seriously doubt that you gunna be happy about it.
And CoolHandLuke self defence is using reasonable force. Its not reasonable to assume that a potentially fatal shooting would be fair force. Now while i dont know US law i know that if the guy was charged here it would be murder as his intent was pretty clear even if that was only his intent for a moment.
See people can make bad calls in the heat of the moment without being racist and i genuinely dont think it was a hate crime. Regardless though, if you decision costs someone their life then you should be judged for the action itself and not your intent.
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He will be charged, there is no self defense or anything, apart candies. But i still don't think it was cold blood or rascist, the guy doesn't seems from the klu klux klan, he's south american 
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Posted on Mon Apr 16, 2012 08:49:38
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By Hanoth [4634]
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By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
bull f**king shit, Zimmerman has every right to defend himself with any means necessary. Trayvon was better when it came to hand to hand combat, so unless he wanted his skull bashed in he had to use his gun. He did, and now people like you want to say he didnt have the right, thats bullshit. Yes, he could have just held trayvon at gunpoint, thats true. But he was in the heat of the moment and his life was on the line so he did what he thought he had to.
About trayvon screaming for help before he was shot, i havnt heard/read anything about that so if you would please send me a link so i can read about that.
as i have said, i agree zimmerman should be charged with man slaughter. But he shouldnt be hung before he even gets a fair trial (thats what pisses me off, i agree the situation could have been handled better, but the Media got their hands on it an have blown it way out of proportion and pretty much killed zimmerman.) Sorry if its hard to follow my arguement (i know it is) but when things piss me off my thoughts get jumbled and scrambled. |
You know what could've happened? Something like this:
1. Zimmerman follows Trayvon
2. Trayvon puts his gf on hold who's on the phone
3. Trayvon confronts Zimmerman & whoops his ass
4. Zimmerman pulls out & waits for the cops
5. Trayvon gets locked up for assault, probably gets probation, maybe community service, & if he has a record, some jail time
In that scenario, Trayvon's in the wrong. There's no disputing that, but Zimmerman just f**ked that all up. If someone pulls out a gun on you, you instantly freeze. You don't do shit (although I've seen some people piss on themselves which is pretty funny lol). Fat boy knew the cops were coming & could've stopped right then & there but he didn't want to, even when the kid was screaming for help.
That's all there is to it.
You haven't heard about Trayvon screaming for help? Zimmerman flat out lied saying it was him screaming until that call was analyzed.
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And you know, if the guy was so scares for his life that he needed to shoot the kid then why not just shoot him in the arm or leg? I mean thats not likely to kill you before help arrives but i seriously doubt that you gunna be happy about it.
And CoolHandLuke self defence is using reasonable force. Its not reasonable to assume that a potentially fatal shooting would be fair force. Now while i dont know US law i know that if the guy was charged here it would be murder as his intent was pretty clear even if that was only his intent for a moment.
See people can make bad calls in the heat of the moment without being racist and i genuinely dont think it was a hate crime. Regardless though, if you decision costs someone their life then you should be judged for the action itself and not your intent.
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if you shoot somebody, you better shoot to kill. If you dont then you dont have the self defense case, for you have no proof you were scared for you life. Every single Concealment teacher will tell you this. They also tell you to never just shoot 1 bullet, they tell you to empty the mag which will give more credibility to your story of being truly scared. He will most likely plead down to man slaughter and get a few years in jail and as long as he is good will most likely be out in 5-7.
as for the guy who posted the 1-5 bullshit list.
1. Zimmerman follows Trayvon-okay, im with you
2. Trayvon puts his gf on hold who's on the phone-still with you
3. Trayvon confronts Zimmerman & whoops his ass-haven't lost me yet
4. Zimmerman pulls out & waits for the cops-this is where you lose me, if he just draws and waits zimmerman gets charged with Assault by Pointing a Gun and then trayvon would get off scratch free.
5. Trayvon gets locked up for assault, probably gets probation, maybe community service, & if he has a record, some jail time-nope, trayvon wouldnt get any time nor would he be charged because HE would have the claim of self-defense since zimmerman was armed and threatening him with the gun when the cops pull up.
I dont think you understand the gun laws are completely f**ked up in the U.S., you have a much better chance of not getting charged if you kill the person then if you just hold them up. You get in more trouble for just injuring the person then you do for killing them. You are more likely to get charged with things such as man slaughter if you just shoot once instead of emptying the mag.
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Posted on Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:48:52
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So he's afraid top get an assault charge for pulling his weapon but not for a murder charge for shooting him..?
So your theory is, you might as well shoot the person if you have a weapon because you will get an assault charge otherwise and forget the fact that you are taking someone's life?
Yeah that makes sense...
If you are allowed to have guns right now, they should be taken away immediately...People that think like you are a danger to the public.
Maybe if he didnt want to have to choose between assault or murder charges, he should have let the police do their job and not put himself in that situation in the first place.
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Posted on Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:50:59
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By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
By Hanoth [4634]
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By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
bull f**king shit, Zimmerman has every right to defend himself with any means necessary. Trayvon was better when it came to hand to hand combat, so unless he wanted his skull bashed in he had to use his gun. He did, and now people like you want to say he didnt have the right, thats bullshit. Yes, he could have just held trayvon at gunpoint, thats true. But he was in the heat of the moment and his life was on the line so he did what he thought he had to.
About trayvon screaming for help before he was shot, i havnt heard/read anything about that so if you would please send me a link so i can read about that.
as i have said, i agree zimmerman should be charged with man slaughter. But he shouldnt be hung before he even gets a fair trial (thats what pisses me off, i agree the situation could have been handled better, but the Media got their hands on it an have blown it way out of proportion and pretty much killed zimmerman.) Sorry if its hard to follow my arguement (i know it is) but when things piss me off my thoughts get jumbled and scrambled. |
You know what could've happened? Something like this:
1. Zimmerman follows Trayvon
2. Trayvon puts his gf on hold who's on the phone
3. Trayvon confronts Zimmerman & whoops his ass
4. Zimmerman pulls out & waits for the cops
5. Trayvon gets locked up for assault, probably gets probation, maybe community service, & if he has a record, some jail time
In that scenario, Trayvon's in the wrong. There's no disputing that, but Zimmerman just f**ked that all up. If someone pulls out a gun on you, you instantly freeze. You don't do shit (although I've seen some people piss on themselves which is pretty funny lol). Fat boy knew the cops were coming & could've stopped right then & there but he didn't want to, even when the kid was screaming for help.
That's all there is to it.
You haven't heard about Trayvon screaming for help? Zimmerman flat out lied saying it was him screaming until that call was analyzed.
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And you know, if the guy was so scares for his life that he needed to shoot the kid then why not just shoot him in the arm or leg? I mean thats not likely to kill you before help arrives but i seriously doubt that you gunna be happy about it.
And CoolHandLuke self defence is using reasonable force. Its not reasonable to assume that a potentially fatal shooting would be fair force. Now while i dont know US law i know that if the guy was charged here it would be murder as his intent was pretty clear even if that was only his intent for a moment.
See people can make bad calls in the heat of the moment without being racist and i genuinely dont think it was a hate crime. Regardless though, if you decision costs someone their life then you should be judged for the action itself and not your intent.
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if you shoot somebody, you better shoot to kill. If you dont then you dont have the self defense case, for you have no proof you were scared for you life. Every single Concealment teacher will tell you this. They also tell you to never just shoot 1 bullet, they tell you to empty the mag which will give more credibility to your story of being truly scared. He will most likely plead down to man slaughter and get a few years in jail and as long as he is good will most likely be out in 5-7.
as for the guy who posted the 1-5 bullshit list.
1. Zimmerman follows Trayvon-okay, im with you
2. Trayvon puts his gf on hold who's on the phone-still with you
3. Trayvon confronts Zimmerman & whoops his ass-haven't lost me yet
4. Zimmerman pulls out & waits for the cops-this is where you lose me, if he just draws and waits zimmerman gets charged with Assault by Pointing a Gun and then trayvon would get off scratch free.
5. Trayvon gets locked up for assault, probably gets probation, maybe community service, & if he has a record, some jail time-nope, trayvon wouldnt get any time nor would he be charged because HE would have the claim of self-defense since zimmerman was armed and threatening him with the gun when the cops pull up.
I dont think you understand the gun laws are completely f**ked up in the U.S., you have a much better chance of not getting charged if you kill the person then if you just hold them up. You get in more trouble for just injuring the person then you do for killing them. You are more likely to get charged with things such as man slaughter if you just shoot once instead of emptying the mag. |
U seems f**ked up, what el posted was the right thing to do if trayvon was the aggressor but he is not, he's the victim of a murder.
Zimmerman 1st said that Trayvon has aggressed him, then retracted. Zimmerman is mentally ill and should go in some psychiatric hospital.
As for the responsable of his disease, there is many i guess...
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By TedThomas [887131]
So he's afraid top get an assault charge for pulling his weapon but not for a murder charge for shooting him..?
So your theory is, you might as well shoot the person if you have a weapon because you will get an assault charge otherwise and forget the fact that you are taking someone's life?
Yeah that makes sense...
If you are allowed to have guns right now, they should be taken away immediately...People that think like you are a danger to the public.
Maybe if he didnt want to have to choose between assault or murder charges, he should have let the police do their job and not put himself in that situation in the first place. |
Ted you're not under the impression that this sheltered kid's actually used a gun or followed this case to the letter are you bruh? Maybe he's used a gun for sport/hunting...because it isn't uncommon for country folks do that shit. Actually shooting someone, he hasn't. It's probably just a fantasy he has rolling around in his head, and he's clueless as f**k about the case itself.
By robocop [24729]
U seems f**ked up, what el posted was the right thing to do if trayvon was the aggressor but he is not, he's the victim of a murder.
Zimmerman 1st said that Trayvon has aggressed him, then retracted. Zimmerman is mentally ill and should go in some psychiatric hospital.
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It's easy to understand people like this: everyone could point up to the sky & say it's blue, he'd look and say it's gray, just because.
By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
if you shoot somebody, you better shoot to kill. If you dont then you dont have the self defense case, for you have no proof you were scared for you life. Every single Concealment teacher will tell you this. They also tell you to never just shoot 1 bullet, they tell you to empty the mag which will give more credibility to your story of being truly scared. He will most likely plead down to man slaughter and get a few years in jail and as long as he is good will most likely be out in 5-7. |
See...that's where you consistently keep f**king up. It only takes one bullet to kill someone. A head shot, chest, hell....pretty much any area above the waist where the vital organs are. It's common knowledge if you're a cop or someone that's used to shooting. You do know this right? Well, off course you don't lol. Below the waist are typically to wound, something your hero Zimmerman could've done. Then again, since he's a bad decision maker, there's lots of things he could've done that wouldn't have gotten his dumb ass in hot water. Only took one bullet to kill Trayvon, so you don't have to empty all out just for shit's sake.
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as for the guy who posted the 1-5 bullshit list. |
The list where you agreed with the first three? OK lol
By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
1. Zimmerman follows Trayvon-okay, im with you
2. Trayvon puts his gf on hold who's on the phone-still with you
3. Trayvon confronts Zimmerman & whoops his ass-haven't lost me yet |
Uh huh...let's keep it moving....
By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
4. Zimmerman pulls out & waits for the cops-this is where you lose me, if he just draws and waits zimmerman gets charged with Assault by Pointing a Gun and then trayvon would get off scratch free. |
You get lost easily. No surprise there, but (again) is where things get even more interesting: you realize ole Zimm's dad is a retired Judge right? Or...he's still a judge with influence? I'll have to look that over again. Did you also know that the police chief, state's attorney, and the governor himself met up to discuss this shit awhile ago? Oh...you didn't lol? Figures. And that for all his stupidity, Zimmerman was arrested before this particular incident? You know this right? I saw his old mugshot just days ago, and it wasn't that f**ked up "pity me" pic the media keeps showing. This is the guy you said wanted to be a cop, and he didn't exactly make it now did he? To my own knowledge, Trayvon's never been arrested. Just did the typical teen shit: taking silly ass cam pic with his middle finger, talk about sex on his twitter page, chill with his girl...you know...teen stuff. And, so what if Trayvon would get off scratch free based on your 3rd grade scenario? All he had on him was a pack of Skittles & an iced tea. Yeah he's a real threat as opposed to the fat bastard carrying the gun. Zimmerman would've probably been charged and let go in hours.
Me personally, I think you take joy in someone either using a gun or getting shot because you'd like to do that to see if you get away with it. Good luck with that.
By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
5. Trayvon gets locked up for assault, probably gets probation, maybe community service, & if he has a record, some jail time-nope, trayvon wouldnt get any time nor would he be charged because HE would have the claim of self-defense since zimmerman was armed and threatening him with the gun when the cops pull up. |
Again...so what? Trayvon was the one being followed, not the other way around. Him attacking Zimmerman was flat out stupid, but ole Zimm topped that stupidity by killing him. Zimmerman didn't say he was a neighborhood watch or say he was strapped...did he? That could've turned out with a better result.
By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
I dont think you understand the gun laws are completely f**ked up in the U.S., you have a much better chance of not getting charged if you kill the person then if you just hold them up. You get in more trouble for just injuring the person then you do for killing them. You are more likely to get charged with things such as man slaughter if you just shoot once instead of emptying the mag. |
Negative. You don't get in more trouble for injurying than you do for killing. lol I don't know where the hell you got that info from, but it's not true. I'm seriously hoping you talk even more outta your ass about that specifically because I was somewhat involved in something like that & it made the papers.
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The biggest problem with this case is it happened in Florida...That's first off. Anyone forget about the Casey Anthony case already? And that was a "white" baby that was killed. It's not the race that's the problem... it's the backwards system in Florida.
I think Zimmerman's lack of arrest is mostly due to, like El said, his dad having some deep inside connections. In other words, if Zimmerman had done the same thing to some "white" person, I have a feeling the same thing would have occurred...and the country would never have heard about it.
However, the FBI took the investigation out of the hands, and has brought him to court, because it was clear Zimmerman had connections with the courts and was not going to be viewed objectively.
This isn't about race so much as it is about corrupt judicial/police systems. Zimmerman should be placed in jail and tried, which he has now been. I'm sure there will also be an FBI investigation into the Florida police department that handled the case, and I'm sure there will be repercussions there as well.
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By bosox [278767]
The biggest problem with this case is it happened in Florida...That's first off. Anyone forget about the Casey Anthony case already? And that was a "white" baby that was killed. It's not the race that's the problem... it's the backwards system in Florida. |
The Casey Anthony case? You mean the one where she was arrested, tried, and found not guilty due to lack of evidence? Yeah. That's the way our justice system is supposed to work. Prosecution must prove beyond a shadow of doubt that the defendant is guilty. Like it or not, public sentiment isn't supposed to rule our courts.
I think Zimmerman's lack of arrest is mostly due to, like El said, his dad having some deep inside connections. In other words, if Zimmerman had done the same thing to some "white" person, I have a feeling the same thing would have occurred...and the country would never have heard about it.
However, the FBI took the investigation out of the hands, and has brought him to court, because it was clear Zimmerman had connections with the courts and was not going to be viewed objectively.
This isn't about race so much as it is about corrupt judicial/police systems. Zimmerman should be placed in jail and tried, which he has now been. I'm sure there will also be an FBI investigation into the Florida police department that handled the case, and I'm sure there will be repercussions there as well. |
I think his lack of arrest had more to do with the 'Stand your ground' law. He claimed self defense and if he actually had injuries to back it up...?
I felt like this needed to be investigated more too. This boy was a kid (yeah, sorry, legal adulthood is 18 in the US) and unarmed. I can only imagine the anguish his family is feeling. However, I am sickened by the media's and public's handling of the whole thing. Edited 911 call aired to make it seem as though Zimmerman was making a racist remark...Jesse Jackson lying through his teeth to say the boy was shot in the back of the head. And the general public has already decided this guy is guilty even before he goes to trial. Makes me want to puke.
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By TedThomas [887131]
So he's afraid top get an assault charge for pulling his weapon but not for a murder charge for shooting him..?
So your theory is, you might as well shoot the person if you have a weapon because you will get an assault charge otherwise and forget the fact that you are taking someone's life?
Yeah that makes sense...
If you are allowed to have guns right now, they should be taken away immediately...People that think like you are a danger to the public.
Maybe if he didnt want to have to choose between assault or murder charges, he should have let the police do their job and not put himself in that situation in the first place. |
Ted you're not under the impression that this sheltered kid's actually used a gun or followed this case to the letter are you bruh? Maybe he's used a gun for sport/hunting...because it isn't uncommon for country folks do that shit. Actually shooting someone, he hasn't. It's probably just a fantasy he has rolling around in his head, and he's clueless as f**k about the case itself.
By robocop [24729]
U seems f**ked up, what el posted was the right thing to do if trayvon was the aggressor but he is not, he's the victim of a murder.
Zimmerman 1st said that Trayvon has aggressed him, then retracted. Zimmerman is mentally ill and should go in some psychiatric hospital.
As for the responsable of his disease, there is many i guess... |
It's easy to understand people like this: everyone could point up to the sky & say it's blue, he'd look and say it's gray, just because.
By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
if you shoot somebody, you better shoot to kill. If you dont then you dont have the self defense case, for you have no proof you were scared for you life. Every single Concealment teacher will tell you this. They also tell you to never just shoot 1 bullet, they tell you to empty the mag which will give more credibility to your story of being truly scared. He will most likely plead down to man slaughter and get a few years in jail and as long as he is good will most likely be out in 5-7. |
See...that's where you consistently keep f**king up. It only takes one bullet to kill someone. A head shot, chest, hell....pretty much any area above the waist where the vital organs are. It's common knowledge if you're a cop or someone that's used to shooting. You do know this right? Well, off course you don't lol. Below the waist are typically to wound, something your hero Zimmerman could've done. Then again, since he's a bad decision maker, there's lots of things he could've done that wouldn't have gotten his dumb ass in hot water. Only took one bullet to kill Trayvon, so you don't have to empty all out just for shit's sake.
By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
as for the guy who posted the 1-5 bullshit list. |
The list where you agreed with the first three? OK lol
By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
1. Zimmerman follows Trayvon-okay, im with you
2. Trayvon puts his gf on hold who's on the phone-still with you
3. Trayvon confronts Zimmerman & whoops his ass-haven't lost me yet |
Uh huh...let's keep it moving....
By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
4. Zimmerman pulls out & waits for the cops-this is where you lose me, if he just draws and waits zimmerman gets charged with Assault by Pointing a Gun and then trayvon would get off scratch free. |
You get lost easily. No surprise there, but (again) is where things get even more interesting: you realize ole Zimm's dad is a retired Judge right? Or...he's still a judge with influence? I'll have to look that over again. Did you also know that the police chief, state's attorney, and the governor himself met up to discuss this shit awhile ago? Oh...you didn't lol? Figures. And that for all his stupidity, Zimmerman was arrested before this particular incident? You know this right? I saw his old mugshot just days ago, and it wasn't that f**ked up "pity me" pic the media keeps showing. This is the guy you said wanted to be a cop, and he didn't exactly make it now did he? To my own knowledge, Trayvon's never been arrested. Just did the typical teen shit: taking silly ass cam pic with his middle finger, talk about sex on his twitter page, chill with his girl...you know...teen stuff. And, so what if Trayvon would get off scratch free based on your 3rd grade scenario? All he had on him was a pack of Skittles & an iced tea. Yeah he's a real threat as opposed to the fat bastard carrying the gun. Zimmerman would've probably been charged and let go in hours.
Me personally, I think you take joy in someone either using a gun or getting shot because you'd like to do that to see if you get away with it. Good luck with that.
By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
5. Trayvon gets locked up for assault, probably gets probation, maybe community service, & if he has a record, some jail time-nope, trayvon wouldnt get any time nor would he be charged because HE would have the claim of self-defense since zimmerman was armed and threatening him with the gun when the cops pull up. |
Again...so what? Trayvon was the one being followed, not the other way around. Him attacking Zimmerman was flat out stupid, but ole Zimm topped that stupidity by killing him. Zimmerman didn't say he was a neighborhood watch or say he was strapped...did he? That could've turned out with a better result.
By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
I dont think you understand the gun laws are completely f**ked up in the U.S., you have a much better chance of not getting charged if you kill the person then if you just hold them up. You get in more trouble for just injuring the person then you do for killing them. You are more likely to get charged with things such as man slaughter if you just shoot once instead of emptying the mag. |
Negative. You don't get in more trouble for injurying than you do for killing. lol I don't know where the hell you got that info from, but it's not true. I'm seriously hoping you talk even more outta your ass about that specifically because I was somewhat involved in something like that & it made the papers. |
It's not about the sky, it's about mediatisation of a probably rascist case, which is hard to prove because zimmerman is south american ? he is an immigrant too.
Point is he wasn't charged at start, then charged because of the media. Everything is said, more like most of it is not about zimmerman but about armed militia.
And no u won't piouc
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Well Torn has finally gave me permission to speak again and I really couldn't wait to venture in to this thread, so this may take a while.... too many things to say to respond to you all individually so here goes..
1) Enough with the continuous "little ole 4'9 92lb 11 year old Trayvon Martin who was murdered in cold blood by that 6'15 598lb racist behemoth that is George Zimmerman". I know the media wishes they could portray it like this
but no, reality is a different story. Trayvon was a grown ass dude just like Zimmerman. He wasn't still some "angelic" looking child in a black and white photo looking all innocent in a hoodie nor was he a preteen with a dashing grin like the only other photo the media shoves down your throat. And Zimmerman wasn't some hulking brute that looks like a convict like the photos want to shove down your throat.
Looks a helluva lot smaller than the 5'10 250lb brute that I've been hearing all about. You ask me he looks like a skinny little dude and the suit don't fit (EL, I know you're gonna love that "See, he's a skinny little bitch who felt like he was tough cause of the gun" even though you've said befor that his "fat ass could have tossed Trayvon around if he wanted but he's just a big pussy with a gun" so like I told you numerous times, size don't mean shit and isn't a factor).
People need to quit swallowing the shit the media is feeding. The size, color and age of these guys don't mean shit. In a case of murder or self defense, what the hell do their looks have to do with anything? Yet the media is spoon feeding everyone this David Vs Goliath story where Goliath comes out alive but is the bad guy because of it even though no one knows if Goliath was defending himself or not, yet David is shown to be as innocent as Jesus in the manger...
2) Profiling? We all profile. I've had cops called on me and been followed numerous times by cops and normal people for being tattooed and scarred up. And? Do I go attacking people for following me when even I know I look suspect? Um, no I carry about my business and if I get questioned I respond, I don't slam peoples heads into the ground. If I saw someone like me walking BEHIND and between houses in a gated community I'd say it was suspect especially if there had been NUMEROUS break ins in that area recently. Call it profiling, call it prejudging call it whatever you want, but a bad element looks like a bad element and we all know that when we see it we question it. Yet somehow in this case it becomes racist and illegal just because the media is throwing it in our face as a hate crime. So yeah maybe Zimmerman did technically profile Trayvon but who hasn't been profiled and who hasn't profiled others?
Should we just not report anyone because we've prejudged them and/or profiled them? Should we not report ANY suspicious activity just to prevent profiling? "Well that kid has constructed bombs in his basement and has blueprints of his high school, but who are we to judge? It might just be coincidence... lets see if something blows up first and then we'll call him trouble".... Sure thats drastic, but what happens EVERY time a kids shoots up a school? "they should have seen the signs.." What signs? A teen that hates their school and/or life? Well thats atleast 60% of kids everywhere, so they are prejudging the majority of high school students, yet if one man prejudged 1 other man it becomes wrong and racial just because the media and Sharpton want attention and want to make things racial? Gimme a f**kin break....
3) Is there a such thing as self defense anymore? I'm not talking about the "Well he was being looked at so he had the right to whoop that dudes ass" self defense, I'm talking about real self defense. I know if I was getting my head slammed into the ground I'm gonna grab the hardest or sharpest thing near me and swing. There's a point where a "scuffle" turns into much worse and people tend to forget that. Winning a fight used to be knocking someone out or landing the most blows befor someone breaks up the fight.... but there was no one stopping this altercation and slamming someones head into the ground is too much. NO ONE can say that Trayvon would have stopped slamming Zimmerman's head on the ground befor going too far.
People get beaten to death all the time and people say and wish that those people could have been able to defend themselves better and now theres a situation where someone POSSIBLY (possibly because we don't know everything yet but imho it looks like self defense) had the ability to defend themselves yet is being vilified for it just because the media took it upon themselves to choose who the victim was befor they knew all the facts and they've already made most of us choose a side.
4) Irony. First this was a hate crime when the media said "A 28 yo white man shot a 17 yo African American child" and Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Obama, Holder, etc. jumped on it. Then it became a "white-hispanic" (anyone else hear of that term befor this? Just saying) who shot him and the thunder died down a little. Then everyone said he was racist when MSNBC released altered clips of the 911 calls as well as everyone wanting to think he said 'coons' and then the shit hit the fan. "OH NO!! We think that racist bastard said coon, it's on now!" and he's lynched AGAIN for it, while shit like
is perfectly fine... And dead or alive bounties by a racist organization like the 'New Black Panther Party' are ok right?
Funny thing is, Eric Holder wants this investigated as something racist even though not all of the facts are in yet and from what has been shown so far it appears to be a case of self defense, yet Holder won't bat an eyelash about a known racist organization like the NBPP putting dead or alive bounties on someone.... and lets not even include the Twitter lynch mob begging/demanding Zimmermans death. So Holder is condemning someone in a possible self defense case, yet ignoring death threats and bounties? Great AG we have on justices side now isn't it?
5) More Irony- Funny how some of these posters to this thread say that Zimmerman was a "pussy with a gun", yet in another thread mentioned "strapping up like I used to". Hypocrite much? Just because you have a bias view on the situation, you have judged the dude even though you are admitting to having been a thug with a gun... what right have you to say ANYTHING about someone carrying a gun when you have admitted to carrying one WITH ill intent?
Anyways, thats my 2 cents on this shit. Let the facts come out and if it's murder then it's murder, if it's self defense then it's self defense... But don't be so close minded as to not acknowledge any evidence thrown at you that doesn't agree with your personal bias. SO FAR, the facts look like self defence IMHO, and I may be wrong but atleast I can acknowledge that I may be wrong, but most of you would have had this man sentenced to death without knowing ANYTHING if you had the power.
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Lol.
Its nice that wasted all that time trying to justify why you think its ok to shoot someone walking around in their own neighborhood because you think they look sketchy, and then be able to be let go without an investigation.
Its not, no matter how much you want to paint Treyvon as some blood gang member who stabbed people on a daily basis and Zimmerman was just some scared coweing weakling who had no options against someone 100lbs lighter than them but to shoot them.
So far, it looks like Zimmerman has been lying his ass off to keep himself out of jail, which is why they arrested him. What it sounds like to me (I have a tendency to believe the girlfriend who was on the phone with Treyvon over the person trying to save his ass) is that Zimmerman tried to stop him, Treyvon resisted, a fight started to happen so Zimmerman shot him under the guise of self defense. Not sure what news story you are paying attention to.
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Well for one thing it wasn't his own neighborhood, he was going to his fathers gf's house and I didn't try to portray Trayvon as some gang banger. But you are showing your bias and ignorance by repeating "someone 100 pounds lighter than him" and saying HIS neighborhood when he didn't in fact live there. So while you want to preach that I'm bias and trying to justify something, why don't you get your facts right befor you spout your ignorant bias gibberish.
And if it makes me some kind of crazy person to believe that stopping someone from bashing your head against the ground is wrong and not self defense then by all means, I admit I'm a loon.... But I would love to put this in perspective for you and slam your silly ass Bam Margera wannabe self into the ground and see how quickly you grab something to defend yourself.
Pretty funny thouh that you give credit to someone who was only on the phone and not eye witnesses who actually go on record as seeing what happened, but hey we all know how you opporate Ted.... Slightly smarter than Limetree but twice as stubborn and less likely to stfu no matter if your wrong or not.
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Pretty funny thouh that you give credit to someone who was only on the phone |
not only was she not there, but whatever she says cant be taken as truth for the fact it was his Girlfriend.....imagine how bias her story would be.....
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Pretty funny thouh that you give credit to someone who was only on the phone |
not only was she not there, but whatever she says cant be taken as truth for the fact it was his Girlfriend.....imagine how bias her story would be..... |
So the girl whose boyfriend is already dead and doesnt really have a reason to make up a story is biased but the guy who might go to jail if he doesnt look like he was defending himself (and whose story is doesnt make sense) isnt.
Now that's funny.
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Pretty funny thouh that you give credit to someone who was only on the phone |
not only was she not there, but whatever she says cant be taken as truth for the fact it was his Girlfriend.....imagine how bias her story would be..... |
So the girl whose boyfriend is already dead and doesnt really have a reason to make up a story is biased but the guy who might go to jail if he doesnt look like he was defending himself (and whose story is doesnt make sense) isnt.
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you really arnt the damn dumb are you? Please, tell me you are not.....
it was his GIRLFRIEND, which means at the time she thought she felt something for him. Which means she would love to see the man who killed him to be killed himself. Which means she would be more then happy to lie and make him look guilty.....
sorry, but he said he was assaulted, turns out that was true. So what are you talking about when you say his story doesnt make sense? The fact he weighs more then trayvon and was getting his ass kicked? Let me ask you this
which of these 2 people would win a fight?
a guy who weighs 135 pounds
or a guy who wieghs 200 pounds
i think its clear to see how big you are does not mean a damn thing. It all depends on how good you are at fighting.
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Just admit that you are so dedicated to making this not another "innocent black kid gets shot" story you are not willing to even admit that the guy could be full of shit. I mean when they checked the phone records they matched up with her story pretty much up to the minute and Zimmerman's story doesnt really make sense, but hey lets go ahead and treat the story from the guy trying to save his ass from his own mistake as undeniable truth.
You conveniently left out the part where it wasnt Zimmerman screaming for help...But you know, it could have been a leprechaun.
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Just admit that you are so dedicated to making this not another "innocent black kid gets shot" story you are not willing to even admit that the guy could be full of shit.
You conveniently left out the part where it wasnt Zimmerman screaming for help...But you know, it could have been a leprechaun. |
and your just so dedicated to make this another race base crime, another reason for more gun laws you will not admit that this was SELF-DEFENSE. Sorry, no matter how you paint this picture the fact zimmerman was attacked, and he defended himself shows this is a self defense case.
lol, how do you know it wasnt a by stander yelling for help? People do that when theres a fight like this in the process....the reason i left it out is because theres no telling who it was yelling for help. But you can continue to grasp at straws trying to prove your case that is riddled with holes.
and i like how you just ignore my question of who would win that fight....nice dodge..
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robocop
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Posted on Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:41:21
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By _TheCrow_ [686314]
Well for one thing it wasn't his own neighborhood, he was going to his fathers gf's house and I didn't try to portray Trayvon as some gang banger. But you are showing your bias and ignorance by repeating "someone 100 pounds lighter than him" and saying HIS neighborhood when he didn't in fact live there. So while you want to preach that I'm bias and trying to justify something, why don't you get your facts right befor you spout your ignorant bias gibberish.
And if it makes me some kind of crazy person to believe that stopping someone from bashing your head against the ground is wrong and not self defense then by all means, I admit I'm a loon.... But I would love to put this in perspective for you and slam your silly ass Bam Margera wannabe self into the ground and see how quickly you grab something to defend yourself.
Pretty funny thouh that you give credit to someone who was only on the phone and not eye witnesses who actually go on record as seeing what happened, but hey we all know how you opporate Ted.... Slightly smarter than Limetree but twice as stubborn and less likely to stfu no matter if your wrong or not. |
Well the difference is :
Trayvon was carrying candies.
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Posted on Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:42:42
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By CoolHandLuke [1582871]
By TedThomas [887131]
Just admit that you are so dedicated to making this not another "innocent black kid gets shot" story you are not willing to even admit that the guy could be full of shit.
You conveniently left out the part where it wasnt Zimmerman screaming for help...But you know, it could have been a leprechaun. |
and your just so dedicated to make this another race base crime, another reason for more gun laws you will not admit that this was SELF-DEFENSE. Sorry, no matter how you paint this picture the fact zimmerman was attacked, and he defended himself shows this is a self defense case.
lol, how do you know it wasnt a by stander yelling for help? People do that when theres a fight like this in the process....the reason i left it out is because theres no telling who it was yelling for help. But you can continue to grasp at straws trying to prove your case that is riddled with holes.
and i like how you just ignore my question of who would win that fight....nice dodge.. |
My opinion comes from the facts that we know about the what happened and logic. Yours comes from completely believing a guy who has a history of harassing people and is trying to keep himself out of jail without even entertaining the idea that he might be lying.
We know it wasnt a bystander because all of the witnesses said it was one of the people wrestling around. That isnt disputed by anyone, dont be an idiot.
The fact is, he was in his car. He was told not to follow but he got out of the car to go after him anyways. Then he claims that he just gave up and went back to his car and Treyvon went after him. That makes no sense. In both stories he ran away, why the hell would he run away and then come back to attack him instead of just going back to his house? It makes no sense. It is possible, doesnt really seem likely.
It makes way more sense that Zimmerman went to go confront him to see what he was doing (which he had a history of doing), they started arguing, somebody pushed someone, and they started fighting. In that case, Treyvon could have been defending himself. If you say that you would just sit there while a complete stranger who has no authority tried to detain you for no reason, you are either full of shit or a pussy. In both cases, had Zimmerman done what the police said nobody would have got hurt or died.
Zimmerman wasnt the one that screamed for help, which has been corroborated by audio experts. The screaming stopped the moment the gunshot went off and witness said it sounded like the person screaming was the person that got shot. If this is true, he straight up lied. But of course you just want to give him the benefit of the doubt, even though you have no reason to do so.
His girlfriend was on the phone when he was confronted and said there was some pushing before the phone went dead, which makes more sense than what Zimmerman said.
Zimmerman didnt have to shoot him, especially if he was on the ground screaming for help.
The fact that you actually believe that this would have happened if this was a white 17 year old in a hoodie walking down the street talking to his girlfriend in a gated community is laughable.
But you are right, it makes much more sense that this girl is going to risk going to jail to completely make up a story (that conveniently matches up to phone records) so she can send a complete stranger to jail for life because she actually knows that her boyfriend went to go beat Zimmerman to death and just wants to make her dead boyfriend look better on the news.
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Posted on Wed Apr 25, 2012 13:38:02
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People don't seem to realize that there are essentially two confrontations here.
One is Zimmerman chasing after Martin, in which Zimmerman is the aggressor, and Martin the victim.
Martin gets away. The two idiots have separated, and the encounter (encounter number one) is over.
A second confrontation occurs when Martin attacks Zimmerman, who was getting back in his car, where damn-well should have been, instead of starting encounter number one.
If someone would like to dispute Martin attacking Zimmerman (remember, we're now talking about encounter #2), they should note that, at the bottom of page seven of the police report, Officer Timothy Smith describes arresting Zimmerman:
"While I was in such close contact with Zimmerman, I could observe that his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and back of his head."
If anyone would like to read the police report, the aftermath is described on the bottom of page seven.
http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/martinpolicreport.pdf
I'm going to presume anyone interested in this case has seen Zimmerman's bloody head by now, since the photos were released a couple of days ago.
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Posted on Wed Apr 25, 2012 14:17:22
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By Brimshae [350403]
People don't seem to realize that there are essentially two confrontations here.
One is Zimmerman chasing after Martin, in which Zimmerman is the aggressor, and Martin the victim.
Martin gets away. The two idiots have separated, and the encounter (encounter number one) is over.
A second confrontation occurs when Martin attacks Zimmerman, who was getting back in his car, where damn-well should have been, instead of starting encounter number one.
If someone would like to dispute Martin attacking Zimmerman (remember, we're now talking about encounter #2), they should note that, at the bottom of page seven of the police report, Officer Timothy Smith describes arresting Zimmerman:
"While I was in such close contact with Zimmerman, I could observe that his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and back of his head."
If anyone would like to read the police report, the aftermath is described on the bottom of page seven.
http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/martinpolicreport.pdf
I'm going to presume anyone interested in this case has seen Zimmerman's bloody head by now, since the photos were released a couple of days ago. |
No 2nd confrontation, he's dead.
As for who hit the 1st or who was about to kill with his own hand the other, i don't know. Zimmerman might be wanting to be a police officer still he seems to have trouble against a 17 years old young man, trayvon was not under crack or PCP, but tea and candies.
He went crazy.
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Posted on Wed Apr 25, 2012 17:10:09
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By Brimshae [350403]
People don't seem to realize that there are essentially two confrontations here.
One is Zimmerman chasing after Martin, in which Zimmerman is the aggressor, and Martin the victim.
Martin gets away. The two idiots have separated, and the encounter (encounter number one) is over.
A second confrontation occurs when Martin attacks Zimmerman, who was getting back in his car, where damn-well should have been, instead of starting encounter number one.
If someone would like to dispute Martin attacking Zimmerman (remember, we're now talking about encounter #2), they should note that, at the bottom of page seven of the police report, Officer Timothy Smith describes arresting Zimmerman:
"While I was in such close contact with Zimmerman, I could observe that his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and back of his head."
If anyone would like to read the police report, the aftermath is described on the bottom of page seven.
http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/martinpolicreport.pdf
I'm going to presume anyone interested in this case has seen Zimmerman's bloody head by now, since the photos were released a couple of days ago. |
Just because he had injuries doesnt mean he attacked him, it means they got in fight. Which could have been started by either of them.
Zimmerman claims that Martin came after him and attacked him when he went back to his car, Treyvon's girlfriend story directly contradicts that. Her account is she was on the phone with him while he was talking about trying to get away from him and Zimmerman came up to Martin to harass him about why he was there, and then she said it sounded like people pushing each other before the phone went dead.
One story Martin attacks Zimmerman out of the blue, the other Zimmerman starts a confrontation where Treyvon could have been defending himself or trying no to let a stranger detain him for no reason.
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Posted on Wed Apr 25, 2012 17:41:00
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Funny how the neighbors that Zimmerman had apparently harassed for years in his quest to be a cop and who were actually there when shit went down are agree with Zimmermans account of what happened, but in your opinion eye witnesses are full of shit and are notoriously wrong, yet someone on the phone who was involved with Trayvon and would probably like to see Z punished for Trayvons death is the only person that has any credibility in your opinion.
And everyone still wants to think that Zimmerman chased the boy down and didn't listen to 911 tell him "we don't need you to do that" (which also "don't need" is not the same as "do not do it" but anyways) yet in the 911 call you can here Zimmerman say ok when the dispatcher tells him that and his breathing becomes normal again after. Also you can clearly tell when Zimmerman gets out of his car in the audio. Zimmerman wasn't told he shouldn't follow until AFTER he had already left his car. So no Ted, he wasn't told not to follow and THEN got out of his vehicle and followed the guy. He was already out of the car and running and you can hear his breathing change, then when told they didn't need him to follow, he said "ok" and you can hear his breathing return to normal.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgR7gCxXQYg
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