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Drongo
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Posted on Fri May 18, 2012 16:16:12
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Legal or not, going to get smoked by millions everyday
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Attitude-Queen
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Posted on Sat May 19, 2012 16:34:48
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By LimeTree [1321200]
By Attitude-Queen [871585]
no, you wanna pay tax on it.
illegel's better, no tax more shit.
:) |
Just because it's legal doesn't mean it has to be taxed (other than VAT).
If it is legal, you can grow your own. The standard will be so much better, and you'll have a much broader selection.
And if you really want, you can still buy it untaxed from anyone illegally. |
if it was legal, then many more taxes would apply.
growing your own,like home brew beer would be minimal.
but legal,it would become an industry like brewing.the tax on commercial products would hike the price.
tax on commercial beer high.
homebrew, vat.
tax on commercial cannabis ? vat,business,etc for all the people employed.
homegrown ?
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-FB-HUEY
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Posted on Sat May 19, 2012 20:19:48
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By Attitude-Queen [871585]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By Attitude-Queen [871585]
no, you wanna pay tax on it.
illegel's better, no tax more shit.
:) |
Just because it's legal doesn't mean it has to be taxed (other than VAT).
If it is legal, you can grow your own. The standard will be so much better, and you'll have a much broader selection.
And if you really want, you can still buy it untaxed from anyone illegally. |
if it was legal, then many more taxes would apply.
growing your own,like home brew beer would be minimal.
but legal,it would become an industry like brewing.the tax on commercial products would hike the price.
tax on commercial beer high.
homebrew, vat.
tax on commercial cannabis ? vat,business,etc for all the people employed.
homegrown ?
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I'd seriously doubt they wouldn't tax it, i mean i cant even grow my own tobacco for personal use without being branded a criminal. Hell its the same with prostitution, you cant have sex for money, but you can if you film, and distribute it.
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LimeTree
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Posted on Sun May 20, 2012 02:02:27
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By Attitude-Queen [871585]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By Attitude-Queen [871585]
no, you wanna pay tax on it.
illegel's better, no tax more shit.
:) |
Just because it's legal doesn't mean it has to be taxed (other than VAT).
If it is legal, you can grow your own. The standard will be so much better, and you'll have a much broader selection.
And if you really want, you can still buy it untaxed from anyone illegally. |
if it was legal, then many more taxes would apply.
growing your own,like home brew beer would be minimal.
but legal,it would become an industry like brewing.the tax on commercial products would hike the price.
tax on commercial beer high.
homebrew, vat.
tax on commercial cannabis ? vat,business,etc for all the people employed.
homegrown ?
|
"growing your own,like home brew beer would be minimal."
Disagree entirely, I don't know anyone that smokes but wouldn't want to grow their own.
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robocop
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Posted on Sun May 20, 2012 04:24:03
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By LimeTree [1321200]
By Attitude-Queen [871585]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By Attitude-Queen [871585]
no, you wanna pay tax on it.
illegel's better, no tax more shit.
:) |
Just because it's legal doesn't mean it has to be taxed (other than VAT).
If it is legal, you can grow your own. The standard will be so much better, and you'll have a much broader selection.
And if you really want, you can still buy it untaxed from anyone illegally. |
if it was legal, then many more taxes would apply.
growing your own,like home brew beer would be minimal.
but legal,it would become an industry like brewing.the tax on commercial products would hike the price.
tax on commercial beer high.
homebrew, vat.
tax on commercial cannabis ? vat,business,etc for all the people employed.
homegrown ?
|
"growing your own,like home brew beer would be minimal."
Disagree entirely, I don't know anyone that smokes but wouldn't want to grow their own. |
it's about variety not the same taste and high...
In small quantity of course 
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LimeTree
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Posted on Sun May 20, 2012 08:14:41
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By robocop [24729]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By Attitude-Queen [871585]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By Attitude-Queen [871585]
no, you wanna pay tax on it.
illegel's better, no tax more shit.
:) |
Just because it's legal doesn't mean it has to be taxed (other than VAT).
If it is legal, you can grow your own. The standard will be so much better, and you'll have a much broader selection.
And if you really want, you can still buy it untaxed from anyone illegally. |
if it was legal, then many more taxes would apply.
growing your own,like home brew beer would be minimal.
but legal,it would become an industry like brewing.the tax on commercial products would hike the price.
tax on commercial beer high.
homebrew, vat.
tax on commercial cannabis ? vat,business,etc for all the people employed.
homegrown ?
|
"growing your own,like home brew beer would be minimal."
Disagree entirely, I don't know anyone that smokes but wouldn't want to grow their own. |
it's about variety not the same taste and high...
In small quantity of course |
Yeah dude you can grow more than one strain, and swap with friends. If weed was legal everyone would grow it themselves, why pay for it in a shop taxed?
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robocop
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Posted on Sun May 20, 2012 15:53:30
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By LimeTree [1321200]
By robocop [24729]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By Attitude-Queen [871585]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By Attitude-Queen [871585]
no, you wanna pay tax on it.
illegel's better, no tax more shit.
:) |
Just because it's legal doesn't mean it has to be taxed (other than VAT).
If it is legal, you can grow your own. The standard will be so much better, and you'll have a much broader selection.
And if you really want, you can still buy it untaxed from anyone illegally. |
if it was legal, then many more taxes would apply.
growing your own,like home brew beer would be minimal.
but legal,it would become an industry like brewing.the tax on commercial products would hike the price.
tax on commercial beer high.
homebrew, vat.
tax on commercial cannabis ? vat,business,etc for all the people employed.
homegrown ?
|
"growing your own,like home brew beer would be minimal."
Disagree entirely, I don't know anyone that smokes but wouldn't want to grow their own. |
it's about variety not the same taste and high...
In small quantity of course |
Yeah dude you can grow more than one strain, and swap with friends. If weed was legal everyone would grow it themselves, why pay for it in a shop taxed? |
Maybe because not the space in an appartment to introduce some more plants, because of the smell of it, the cat eating the plant (happend), the plant falling (happend too) etc etc...
There's also the need for materials to grow it.
It's gardening.
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LimeTree
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Posted on Mon May 21, 2012 02:53:40
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By robocop [24729]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By robocop [24729]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By Attitude-Queen [871585]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By Attitude-Queen [871585]
no, you wanna pay tax on it.
illegel's better, no tax more shit.
:) |
Just because it's legal doesn't mean it has to be taxed (other than VAT).
If it is legal, you can grow your own. The standard will be so much better, and you'll have a much broader selection.
And if you really want, you can still buy it untaxed from anyone illegally. |
if it was legal, then many more taxes would apply.
growing your own,like home brew beer would be minimal.
but legal,it would become an industry like brewing.the tax on commercial products would hike the price.
tax on commercial beer high.
homebrew, vat.
tax on commercial cannabis ? vat,business,etc for all the people employed.
homegrown ?
|
"growing your own,like home brew beer would be minimal."
Disagree entirely, I don't know anyone that smokes but wouldn't want to grow their own. |
it's about variety not the same taste and high...
In small quantity of course |
Yeah dude you can grow more than one strain, and swap with friends. If weed was legal everyone would grow it themselves, why pay for it in a shop taxed? |
Maybe because not the space in an appartment to introduce some more plants, because of the smell of it, the cat eating the plant (happend), the plant falling (happend too) etc etc...
There's also the need for materials to grow it.
It's gardening.
|
Well yes obviously there will be exceptions, but just because you can name a pretty weak reason why one person may decide not to grow, does not mean that the majority won't.
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robocop
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Posted on Mon May 21, 2012 16:33:32
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By LimeTree [1321200]
By robocop [24729]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By robocop [24729]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By Attitude-Queen [871585]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By Attitude-Queen [871585]
no, you wanna pay tax on it.
illegel's better, no tax more shit.
:) |
Just because it's legal doesn't mean it has to be taxed (other than VAT).
If it is legal, you can grow your own. The standard will be so much better, and you'll have a much broader selection.
And if you really want, you can still buy it untaxed from anyone illegally. |
if it was legal, then many more taxes would apply.
growing your own,like home brew beer would be minimal.
but legal,it would become an industry like brewing.the tax on commercial products would hike the price.
tax on commercial beer high.
homebrew, vat.
tax on commercial cannabis ? vat,business,etc for all the people employed.
homegrown ?
|
"growing your own,like home brew beer would be minimal."
Disagree entirely, I don't know anyone that smokes but wouldn't want to grow their own. |
it's about variety not the same taste and high...
In small quantity of course |
Yeah dude you can grow more than one strain, and swap with friends. If weed was legal everyone would grow it themselves, why pay for it in a shop taxed? |
Maybe because not the space in an appartment to introduce some more plants, because of the smell of it, the cat eating the plant (happend), the plant falling (happend too) etc etc...
There's also the need for materials to grow it.
It's gardening.
|
Well yes obviously there will be exceptions, but just because you can name a pretty weak reason why one person may decide not to grow, does not mean that the majority won't. |
All is about quantity and quality, seems u don't believe that growing is not that easy.
There's many way to grow cannabis, like throwing the seeds into ur garden and wait for it, or taking care of plants everyday.
There's also insects so need to buy insecticide etc etc... have fun anyway
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LimeTree
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Posted on Mon May 21, 2012 23:02:02
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By robocop [24729]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By robocop [24729]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By robocop [24729]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By Attitude-Queen [871585]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By Attitude-Queen [871585]
no, you wanna pay tax on it.
illegel's better, no tax more shit.
:) |
Just because it's legal doesn't mean it has to be taxed (other than VAT).
If it is legal, you can grow your own. The standard will be so much better, and you'll have a much broader selection.
And if you really want, you can still buy it untaxed from anyone illegally. |
if it was legal, then many more taxes would apply.
growing your own,like home brew beer would be minimal.
but legal,it would become an industry like brewing.the tax on commercial products would hike the price.
tax on commercial beer high.
homebrew, vat.
tax on commercial cannabis ? vat,business,etc for all the people employed.
homegrown ?
|
"growing your own,like home brew beer would be minimal."
Disagree entirely, I don't know anyone that smokes but wouldn't want to grow their own. |
it's about variety not the same taste and high...
In small quantity of course |
Yeah dude you can grow more than one strain, and swap with friends. If weed was legal everyone would grow it themselves, why pay for it in a shop taxed? |
Maybe because not the space in an appartment to introduce some more plants, because of the smell of it, the cat eating the plant (happend), the plant falling (happend too) etc etc...
There's also the need for materials to grow it.
It's gardening.
|
Well yes obviously there will be exceptions, but just because you can name a pretty weak reason why one person may decide not to grow, does not mean that the majority won't. |
All is about quantity and quality, seems u don't believe that growing is not that easy.
There's many way to grow cannabis, like throwing the seeds into ur garden and wait for it, or taking care of plants everyday.
There's also insects so need to buy insecticide etc etc... have fun anyway |
Yes, I know how you grow weed, it's not exactly difficult.
Yes, all is about quantity and quality.
No your post in no way provides valid arguments that people wouldn't grow their own. You have fun too.
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Vitharr
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Posted on Tue May 22, 2012 03:40:27
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By LimeTree [1321200]
By robocop [24729]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By robocop [24729]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By robocop [24729]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By Attitude-Queen [871585]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By Attitude-Queen [871585]
no, you wanna pay tax on it.
illegel's better, no tax more shit.
:) |
Just because it's legal doesn't mean it has to be taxed (other than VAT).
If it is legal, you can grow your own. The standard will be so much better, and you'll have a much broader selection.
And if you really want, you can still buy it untaxed from anyone illegally. |
if it was legal, then many more taxes would apply.
growing your own,like home brew beer would be minimal.
but legal,it would become an industry like brewing.the tax on commercial products would hike the price.
tax on commercial beer high.
homebrew, vat.
tax on commercial cannabis ? vat,business,etc for all the people employed.
homegrown ?
|
"growing your own,like home brew beer would be minimal."
Disagree entirely, I don't know anyone that smokes but wouldn't want to grow their own. |
it's about variety not the same taste and high...
In small quantity of course |
Yeah dude you can grow more than one strain, and swap with friends. If weed was legal everyone would grow it themselves, why pay for it in a shop taxed? |
Maybe because not the space in an appartment to introduce some more plants, because of the smell of it, the cat eating the plant (happend), the plant falling (happend too) etc etc...
There's also the need for materials to grow it.
It's gardening.
|
Well yes obviously there will be exceptions, but just because you can name a pretty weak reason why one person may decide not to grow, does not mean that the majority won't. |
All is about quantity and quality, seems u don't believe that growing is not that easy.
There's many way to grow cannabis, like throwing the seeds into ur garden and wait for it, or taking care of plants everyday.
There's also insects so need to buy insecticide etc etc... have fun anyway |
Yes, I know how you grow weed, it's not exactly difficult.
Yes, all is about quantity and quality.
No your post in no way provides valid arguments that people wouldn't grow their own. You have fun too. |
imagine buying weed in bulk at the local safeway. *drools*
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LimeTree
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Posted on Tue May 22, 2012 04:46:02
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By LimeTree [1321200]
By robocop [24729]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By robocop [24729]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By robocop [24729]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By Attitude-Queen [871585]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By Attitude-Queen [871585]
no, you wanna pay tax on it.
illegel's better, no tax more shit.
:) |
Just because it's legal doesn't mean it has to be taxed (other than VAT).
If it is legal, you can grow your own. The standard will be so much better, and you'll have a much broader selection.
And if you really want, you can still buy it untaxed from anyone illegally. |
if it was legal, then many more taxes would apply.
growing your own,like home brew beer would be minimal.
but legal,it would become an industry like brewing.the tax on commercial products would hike the price.
tax on commercial beer high.
homebrew, vat.
tax on commercial cannabis ? vat,business,etc for all the people employed.
homegrown ?
|
"growing your own,like home brew beer would be minimal."
Disagree entirely, I don't know anyone that smokes but wouldn't want to grow their own. |
it's about variety not the same taste and high...
In small quantity of course |
Yeah dude you can grow more than one strain, and swap with friends. If weed was legal everyone would grow it themselves, why pay for it in a shop taxed? |
Maybe because not the space in an appartment to introduce some more plants, because of the smell of it, the cat eating the plant (happend), the plant falling (happend too) etc etc...
There's also the need for materials to grow it.
It's gardening.
|
Well yes obviously there will be exceptions, but just because you can name a pretty weak reason why one person may decide not to grow, does not mean that the majority won't. |
All is about quantity and quality, seems u don't believe that growing is not that easy.
There's many way to grow cannabis, like throwing the seeds into ur garden and wait for it, or taking care of plants everyday.
There's also insects so need to buy insecticide etc etc... have fun anyway |
Yes, I know how you grow weed, it's not exactly difficult.
Yes, all is about quantity and quality.
No your post in no way provides valid arguments that people wouldn't grow their own. You have fun too. |
imagine buying weed in bulk at the local safeway. *drools*
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Yeah don't get me wrong that'd be awesome
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MachineGunSteve
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Posted on Tue May 22, 2012 18:27:36
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By robocop [24729]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By robocop [24729]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By robocop [24729]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By Attitude-Queen [871585]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By Attitude-Queen [871585]
no, you wanna pay tax on it.
illegel's better, no tax more shit.
:) |
Just because it's legal doesn't mean it has to be taxed (other than VAT).
If it is legal, you can grow your own. The standard will be so much better, and you'll have a much broader selection.
And if you really want, you can still buy it untaxed from anyone illegally. |
if it was legal, then many more taxes would apply.
growing your own,like home brew beer would be minimal.
but legal,it would become an industry like brewing.the tax on commercial products would hike the price.
tax on commercial beer high.
homebrew, vat.
tax on commercial cannabis ? vat,business,etc for all the people employed.
homegrown ?
|
"growing your own,like home brew beer would be minimal."
Disagree entirely, I don't know anyone that smokes but wouldn't want to grow their own. |
it's about variety not the same taste and high...
In small quantity of course |
Yeah dude you can grow more than one strain, and swap with friends. If weed was legal everyone would grow it themselves, why pay for it in a shop taxed? |
Maybe because not the space in an appartment to introduce some more plants, because of the smell of it, the cat eating the plant (happend), the plant falling (happend too) etc etc...
There's also the need for materials to grow it.
It's gardening.
|
Well yes obviously there will be exceptions, but just because you can name a pretty weak reason why one person may decide not to grow, does not mean that the majority won't. |
All is about quantity and quality, seems u don't believe that growing is not that easy.
There's many way to grow cannabis, like throwing the seeds into ur garden and wait for it, or taking care of plants everyday.
There's also insects so need to buy insecticide etc etc... have fun anyway |
Yes, I know how you grow weed, it's not exactly difficult.
Yes, all is about quantity and quality.
No your post in no way provides valid arguments that people wouldn't grow their own. You have fun too. |
imagine buying weed in bulk at the local safeway. *drools*
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Yeah don't get me wrong that'd be awesome |
Wait! What? You hippy wannabes really want to support a thriving capitalist concern like Safeway? Why I would have thought you guys would want all the holdings of Safeway to be redistributed to the masses, so they could grow their own weed... right? Viva la revolution and all that right? Plus, why does weed need to be legal? Who cares about silly laws anyway?
For the record... I say all drugs should be legal. Why stop with weed?
Last Edited: Tue May 22, 2012 18:30:39
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LimeTree
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Posted on Tue May 22, 2012 20:41:54
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no, you wanna pay tax on it.
illegel's better, no tax more shit.
:) |
Just because it's legal doesn't mean it has to be taxed (other than VAT).
If it is legal, you can grow your own. The standard will be so much better, and you'll have a much broader selection.
And if you really want, you can still buy it untaxed from anyone illegally. |
if it was legal, then many more taxes would apply.
growing your own,like home brew beer would be minimal.
but legal,it would become an industry like brewing.the tax on commercial products would hike the price.
tax on commercial beer high.
homebrew, vat.
tax on commercial cannabis ? vat,business,etc for all the people employed.
homegrown ?
|
"growing your own,like home brew beer would be minimal."
Disagree entirely, I don't know anyone that smokes but wouldn't want to grow their own. |
it's about variety not the same taste and high...
In small quantity of course |
Yeah dude you can grow more than one strain, and swap with friends. If weed was legal everyone would grow it themselves, why pay for it in a shop taxed? |
Maybe because not the space in an appartment to introduce some more plants, because of the smell of it, the cat eating the plant (happend), the plant falling (happend too) etc etc...
There's also the need for materials to grow it.
It's gardening.
|
Well yes obviously there will be exceptions, but just because you can name a pretty weak reason why one person may decide not to grow, does not mean that the majority won't. |
All is about quantity and quality, seems u don't believe that growing is not that easy.
There's many way to grow cannabis, like throwing the seeds into ur garden and wait for it, or taking care of plants everyday.
There's also insects so need to buy insecticide etc etc... have fun anyway |
Yes, I know how you grow weed, it's not exactly difficult.
Yes, all is about quantity and quality.
No your post in no way provides valid arguments that people wouldn't grow their own. You have fun too. |
imagine buying weed in bulk at the local safeway. *drools*
|
Yeah don't get me wrong that'd be awesome |
Wait! What? You hippy wannabes really want to support a thriving capitalist concern like Safeway? Why I would have thought you guys would want all the holdings of Safeway to be redistributed to the masses, so they could grow their own weed... right? Viva la revolution and all that right? Plus, why does weed need to be legal? Who cares about silly laws anyway?
For the record... I say all drugs should be legal. Why stop with weed?
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Maybe you missed all my other posts, where I was arguing that everyone would be growing it themselves.
And I agree that all drugs should be legal.
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INGSOC
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Posted on Sun May 27, 2012 11:29:24
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For the record... I say all drugs should be legal. Why stop with weed?
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All drugs should be legal?
Think about the children. They are your nation's future.
I have been in some poor countries in South America, where the children smokes cigarrete and drinks alcohol because it is legal, not allowed by law but is legal (and easy) to buy. I saw many teenagers (under 18) selling their own body just to have enough money to buy and consume illegal drugs. Now imagine if all drugs become legal, become easier to buy and consume, things will only get worse.
And haven't you heared about 'crackolandia'? If you want to see zombies for real, go to one.
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-FB-HUEY
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Posted on Wed May 30, 2012 10:25:05
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By INGSOC [1560887]
For the record... I say all drugs should be legal. Why stop with weed?
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All drugs should be legal?
Think about the children. They are your nation's future.
I have been in some poor countries in South America, where the children smokes cigarrete and drinks alcohol because it is legal, not allowed by law but is legal (and easy) to buy. I saw many teenagers (under 18) selling their own body just to have enough money to buy and consume illegal drugs. Now imagine if all drugs become legal, become easier to buy and consume, things will only get worse.
And haven't you heared about 'crackolandia'? If you want to see zombies for real, go to one. |
I think the answer to this is the legalisation and regulation of "softer" drugs, weed, xtc and cocaine, as many illegal drugs would then become far less harmful due to government regulation, and monitored distribution, like alcohol.
I feel the rest should be decriminalised, so its not legal, and you will get fined, but it wont brand you a criminal for using it. It will allow people with problems with any kind of drug, to come foword and seek help without being charged and getting fined or get jail time.
If we really want to reduce harm these things can do, we need to stop with the childish notion of these things being inherently evil, and actually address the issue in a way other then trying (and failing) to ban it.
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robocop
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Posted on Wed May 30, 2012 15:31:53
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By -FB-HUEY [440317]
By INGSOC [1560887]
For the record... I say all drugs should be legal. Why stop with weed?
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All drugs should be legal?
Think about the children. They are your nation's future.
I have been in some poor countries in South America, where the children smokes cigarrete and drinks alcohol because it is legal, not allowed by law but is legal (and easy) to buy. I saw many teenagers (under 18) selling their own body just to have enough money to buy and consume illegal drugs. Now imagine if all drugs become legal, become easier to buy and consume, things will only get worse.
And haven't you heared about 'crackolandia'? If you want to see zombies for real, go to one. |
I think the answer to this is the legalisation and regulation of "softer" drugs, weed, xtc and cocaine, as many illegal drugs would then become far less harmful due to government regulation, and monitored distribution, like alcohol.
I feel the rest should be decriminalised, so its not legal, and you will get fined, but it wont brand you a criminal for using it. It will allow people with problems with any kind of drug, to come foword and seek help without being charged and getting fined or get jail time.
If we really want to reduce harm these things can do, we need to stop with the childish notion of these things being inherently evil, and actually address the issue in a way other then trying (and failing) to ban it. |
It is evil, don't think it is not because it is what drugs is supposed to do, getting detached from reality.
Point is some are exciting others are energising but it is not changing human mind, it's just overheating.
Thrust me when there is high, there is down. So state can't legalise most of the drugs, it is deresponsabilisation, the only thing state can do is trying to set the "addicts" on the tracks but the more they will try, better the drug will be.
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For the record... I say all drugs should be legal. Why stop with weed?
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All drugs should be legal?
Think about the children. They are your nation's future.
I have been in some poor countries in South America, where the children smokes cigarrete and drinks alcohol because it is legal, not allowed by law but is legal (and easy) to buy. I saw many teenagers (under 18) selling their own body just to have enough money to buy and consume illegal drugs. Now imagine if all drugs become legal, become easier to buy and consume, things will only get worse.
And haven't you heared about 'crackolandia'? If you want to see zombies for real, go to one. |
I think the answer to this is the legalisation and regulation of "softer" drugs, weed, xtc and cocaine, as many illegal drugs would then become far less harmful due to government regulation, and monitored distribution, like alcohol.
I feel the rest should be decriminalised, so its not legal, and you will get fined, but it wont brand you a criminal for using it. It will allow people with problems with any kind of drug, to come foword and seek help without being charged and getting fined or get jail time.
If we really want to reduce harm these things can do, we need to stop with the childish notion of these things being inherently evil, and actually address the issue in a way other then trying (and failing) to ban it. |
It is evil, don't think it is not because it is what drugs is supposed to do, getting detached from reality.
Point is some are exciting others are energising but it is not changing human mind, it's just overheating.
Thrust me when there is high, there is down. So state can't legalise most of the drugs, it is deresponsabilisation, the only thing state can do is trying to set the "addicts" on the tracks but the more they will try, better the drug will be. |
Good and evil are just what we perceive as good and bad. There is no such thing as anything being inherently evil, we all see things in different ways, and have different notions of what we feel is acceptable. The fact that some people kill in cold blood or for a kick is proof of this.
Our reality, the one we see now, the sober one, is a narrow sphere of our potential view. many drugs change the way we feel, and our outlook on life. Dont think we need a drug to do this, how we act around friends, while studying, or at work also adjusts our behaviour, a drug is just a chemical that may help this process.
I'm aware decriminalisation wont solve the problem, but nither will beating it with the moral stick.
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For the record... I say all drugs should be legal. Why stop with weed?
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I Agree. Instead of spending money on putting people in jail and prison. Spend the money to EDUCATE people. Example, Meth....In school at some point I dont know when but some point just f**king tell them. This is meth,IT CAN KILL YOU the first time you do it!!! It is like the worst drug ever,it does this and this to your body and this is how it affects you,AND this is how it will make you feel so on...
How can you government tell you what you can and cant do to your OWN body. People are always going to do it... ALWAYS.. If people have to do it then at least make sure its clean good shit that isn't going to make you prermastupid forever or kill you. NO of course I wouldn't want my kids to do drugs but there GOING to do them at some point no matter how good of a parent or whatever! So WHEN they do drugs weather its weed or coke or meth whatever.. I would rather have them know the consequences and have good shit then them find it out the street.. Call me crazy...lol
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I Agree. Instead of spending money on putting people in jail and prison. Spend the money to EDUCATE people. Example, Meth....In school at some point I dont know when but some point just f**king tell them. This is meth,IT CAN KILL YOU the first time you do it!!! It is like the worst drug ever,it does this and this to your body and this is how it affects you,AND this is how it will make you feel so on... |
Well, I don't think this will solve the drug dealing problem. And about the "educate people about drugs" subject, this already happens at schools, but some people never listen others (specially teenagers) so they will not give a shit if you try to educate them again.
How can you government tell you what you can and cant do to your OWN body. People are always going to do it... ALWAYS..
If people have to do it then at least make sure its clean good shit that isn't going to make you prermastupid forever or kill you. |
So government should allow all drugs and promote clean good shit, because.. everyone are always going to do it(?)
The problem is that even if its a "clean good shit", some drugs will still be addictive. I had a few friends that just tried crack, and became so addictive to the point of selling their own houses and stealing their own parents just to buy a few more rocks. Now I wouldnt like this to become more common. Would you?
NO of course I wouldn't want my kids to do drugs but there GOING to do them at some point no matter how good of a parent or whatever! So WHEN they do drugs weather its weed or coke or meth whatever.. I would rather have them know the consequences and have good shit then them find it out the street.. Call me crazy...lol |
No, you are not crazy. You're just a bad parent.
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I Agree. Instead of spending money on putting people in jail and prison. Spend the money to EDUCATE people. Example, Meth....In school at some point I dont know when but some point just f**king tell them. This is meth,IT CAN KILL YOU the first time you do it!!! It is like the worst drug ever,it does this and this to your body and this is how it affects you,AND this is how it will make you feel so on... |
Well, I don't think this will solve the drug dealing problem. And about the "educate people about drugs" subject, this already happens at schools, but some people never listen others (specially teenagers) so they will not give a shit if you try to educate them again.
Im not talking about the bullshit DARE program they have. MORE education.
How can you government tell you what you can and cant do to your OWN body. People are always going to do it... ALWAYS..
If people have to do it then at least make sure its clean good shit that isn't going to make you prermastupid forever or kill you. |
So government should allow all drugs and promote clean good shit, because.. everyone are always going to do it(?)
The problem is that even if its a "clean good shit", some drugs will still be addictive. I had a few friends that just tried crack, and became so addictive to the point of selling their own houses and stealing their own parents just to buy a few more rocks. Now I wouldnt like this to become more common. Would you?
Look over in Netherlands.. drugs are legal and yes it went up for a year or two but then it dropped dramatically. Just because you hung out with 2 retards doesnt mean the whole population is going to just start doing crack..Just because its legal doesnt mean people are going to do it. And i say the government should just STAY OUT OF OUR PERSONAL LIFE'S. There is way way way to much government..
NO of course I wouldn't want my kids to do drugs but there GOING to do them at some point no matter how good of a parent or whatever! So WHEN they do drugs weather its weed or coke or meth whatever.. I would rather have them know the consequences and have good shit then them find it out the street.. Call me crazy...lol |
No, you are not crazy. You're just a bad parent.
First off...f**k you. I dont have kids but IF I did my opinion wouldnt make me a bad parent..
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Im not talking about the bullshit DARE program they have. MORE education.
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"less bullshit, MOAR education!"
You don't even know what you talking about...
Look over in Netherlands.. drugs are legal and yes it went up for a year or two but then it dropped dramatically. Just because you hung out with 2 retards doesnt mean the whole population is going to just start doing crack..Just because its legal doesnt mean people are going to do it. And i say the government should just STAY OUT OF OUR PERSONAL LIFE'S. There is way way way to much government..
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Look over in South America then. Stoners like you wanna legalize all kind of drugs even if heavy drugs like crack is destroying lifes and families. Do you know what crack does, sir? I bet you don't. Do you know anyone that is addicted to crack, sir? I bet you don't. But when you find your close friends, now homeless, skinny, wandering the streets without even remembering their own names, you would know what crack does to you. I am not just talking about 2 retards I used to hang out with, I am talking about a growing problem in South America called "crackolandia". I guess you are too worried about smoking a joint to care about others, right?
First off...f**k you. I dont have kids but IF I did my opinion wouldnt make me a bad parent..
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I'm glad you do not have kids. Of course it would not make you a bad parent, you just wish your kids to have some pure good shit, right? Not bad at all
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By robocop [24729]
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For the record... I say all drugs should be legal. Why stop with weed?
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All drugs should be legal?
Think about the children. They are your nation's future.
I have been in some poor countries in South America, where the children smokes cigarrete and drinks alcohol because it is legal, not allowed by law but is legal (and easy) to buy. I saw many teenagers (under 18) selling their own body just to have enough money to buy and consume illegal drugs. Now imagine if all drugs become legal, become easier to buy and consume, things will only get worse.
And haven't you heared about 'crackolandia'? If you want to see zombies for real, go to one. |
I think the answer to this is the legalisation and regulation of "softer" drugs, weed, xtc and cocaine, as many illegal drugs would then become far less harmful due to government regulation, and monitored distribution, like alcohol.
I feel the rest should be decriminalised, so its not legal, and you will get fined, but it wont brand you a criminal for using it. It will allow people with problems with any kind of drug, to come foword and seek help without being charged and getting fined or get jail time.
If we really want to reduce harm these things can do, we need to stop with the childish notion of these things being inherently evil, and actually address the issue in a way other then trying (and failing) to ban it. |
It is evil, don't think it is not because it is what drugs is supposed to do, getting detached from reality.
Point is some are exciting others are energising but it is not changing human mind, it's just overheating.
Thrust me when there is high, there is down. So state can't legalise most of the drugs, it is deresponsabilisation, the only thing state can do is trying to set the "addicts" on the tracks but the more they will try, better the drug will be. |
Good and evil are just what we perceive as good and bad. There is no such thing as anything being inherently evil, we all see things in different ways, and have different notions of what we feel is acceptable. The fact that some people kill in cold blood or for a kick is proof of this.
Our reality, the one we see now, the sober one, is a narrow sphere of our potential view. many drugs change the way we feel, and our outlook on life. Dont think we need a drug to do this, how we act around friends, while studying, or at work also adjusts our behaviour, a drug is just a chemical that may help this process.
I'm aware decriminalisation wont solve the problem, but nither will beating it with the moral stick. |
Yes, u won't beat crack, heroin or cocaine with the moral stick.
I said evil because of the addiction, the high and down, the ephemeral characteristic of drugs. As well as the powerful effects on bullshit it has. We do because of recreative, ease pain and apprehending the world better, drugs some reflect of society as well as the non consumer are about competition and will propose u more and more...
Then again high and down, in which category will u claim to be ? legalisation of all drugs, decriminalisation, i just wish everybody would be responsible because addiction to some drugs is severe pain.
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I do know people addicted to shit for your information.. My own god damn brothers are in prison for selling drugs. My brother overdosed on meth twice and died..I DO know about addiction. Drugs have literally destroyed my family. Im saying instead of spending millions and millions of dollars on putting people in prison and this completely failed WAR ON DRUGS bullshit and spend it on education people or regulations or SOMETHING! I dont think meth and crack or other EXTREMELY addictive drugs should be just handed out by any means..But if some doper needs to use then i think he should be able to get a clean needle at least like in some places. Im done. I dont even come on forums much.. lol. All I can say is RON PAUL 2012!!!
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Just go by the CONSTITUTION if that state wants whatever legal it can! The federal government should have nothing to do with it! END THE FED!!!
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Just go by the CONSTITUTION if that state wants whatever legal it can! The federal government should have nothing to do with it! END THE FED!!! |
Constitution from 19th century, as if the 19th century was better...
Gold rush
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I do know people addicted to shit for your information.. My own god damn brothers are in prison for selling drugs. My brother overdosed on meth twice and died..I DO know about addiction. Drugs have literally destroyed my family. Im saying instead of spending millions and millions of dollars on putting people in prison and this completely failed WAR ON DRUGS bullshit and spend it on education people or regulations or SOMETHING! I dont think meth and crack or other EXTREMELY addictive drugs should be just handed out by any means..But if some doper needs to use then i think he should be able to get a clean needle at least like in some places. Im done. I dont even come on forums much.. lol. All I can say is RON PAUL 2012!!! |
Sorry for what happened with your brother. But, that's the reason I do not like the idea of legalizing all drugs, it's dangerous
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For the record... I say all drugs should be legal. Why stop with weed?
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All drugs should be legal?
Think about the children. They are your nation's future.
I have been in some poor countries in South America, where the children smokes cigarrete and drinks alcohol because it is legal, not allowed by law but is legal (and easy) to buy. I saw many teenagers (under 18) selling their own body just to have enough money to buy and consume illegal drugs. Now imagine if all drugs become legal, become easier to buy and consume, things will only get worse.
And haven't you heared about 'crackolandia'? If you want to see zombies for real, go to one. |
It all comes down to survival of the fittest. Only the most intelligent and self-preserving will survive and the governments/elitists of the world will not be able to make that decision for us.
Plus if the drugs were legal, surely that would mean that they'd be easier to come by, would be cheaper and would more than likely improve the situation.
Anyway, its not even the drugs that are the problem, it is the people who created them at the end of the day. It wasn't some addict who purposely, or even accidentally, created the drugs was it? It was the elitist bankers and Harvod students etc which will then go on to be controlled and distributed by the over-ruling rich bankers of the world.
Marijuana although not created by them, it is certainly controlled and given a bad image by them although it has been proven to be medicinally beneficial in A LOT of cases with ZERO recorded deaths. Where as alcohol and cigarettes are perfectly legal even though they have a huge death rate compared to marijuana. Our world has no freedom of choice in reality.
If we never allowed them to have their power structure through the monetary system (by eliminating all currency) than neither would they have access to ridiculous, unseen amounts of power and thus would not be able to fund and therefore control countries and take over their drug supply ( just look up Afghanistan's opium figures before and after America took over).
In conclusion to put an end to this problem, get rid of all the oligarchical investment bankers and other rich fools of the world by removing all value of currency and become self-sustainable and do not be so focussed and reliant on earning money. Also, do not allow huge corporations to control by privatising everything you buy and use daily (take the energy and media companies you use/watch everyday).
Although, these types of movements do not come without their risks. The Ruby Ridge massacre is a prime example of how these movements against the elitists and governments can end fatally and indefinitely proves how corrupt the system is.
After reading some other comments I can understand your point; synthetic drugs ARE dangerous but I stick with my original point, its not the drugs that are the problem, its the governments and other powerful people on our planet who created them to start with. They do not care what happens to the people who get addicted they just care about the profit they are going to make at the end of it.
If we had our own choice to decide whether or not we want to take the risk of overdosing and decided to, than let us. If these people do not want to educate themselves beforehand and get addicted to crack than give them more, let them kill themselves. It is their problem not mine because I am well aware of the effects it will have on my body and that is why I steer well away from it and the users and stick to my cannabis which has very little, if any, damaging effects on the human anatomy.
Plus, what is so right about alcohol and tobacco that it should be legal and is taxed and sold in shops which is KNOWN for having hugely damaging effects on the body and is just as addictive as crack? Because they profit from it and is all they care about. Also, howcome they can sell you everything you need to grow cannabis plants (seeds and growing equipment with tax on it) yet as soon as you plant that seed, it becomes wrong? Because they're profitting from selling it to you, they profit from taking it back off of you and they profit again from recirculating the equipment seized.
You may ask or state that it could very well be profitable to simply sell marijuana/cocaine etc. in the shops. Well that is not true. As said before, they are failing the war on drugs which is just putting money in their pockets. The prisons filled with minor criminals they catch for possession of a 10 bag of weed who is doing nothing wrong is making them daily profit when they are involved in slave labour making them weapons for war during their sentence as well as the $50,000 wage they get for each prisoner they put away for a year.
Drugs, religon, energy, money itself is just a means to gain more wealth and power at the end of the day. They are all related in one way or another and they all go back to the people sat at the top of these major corporations, its a fact.
Why should we let the government regulate drugs when they are just going to profit from it and sooner or later they will end up just as corrupt as the next system. Why should the government have power to say what is right and what is wrong without allowing us have to decide for ourselves since we are the ones consuming them? And finally, why should we let the government regulate drugs when they were the ones who created them and told soldiers to use them during wars to apparently gain an advantage? Makes no sense to me, maybe somebody can explain it?
Just my opinion on the matter though. Feel free to have yours.
And for the record, the only illegal drug I use and ever have is cannabis because I have done a lot of research, watched many documentaries on its effects and all of them say the same thing (unless it is government propaganda of course). I have also done research into other drugs and how they are manufactured and that is the ultimate reason I stay well away from them.
Lack of education and the government/elitist bankers is what leads to people becoming addicted to drugs.
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"its not the drugs that are the problem, its the governments and other powerful people on our planet who created them to start with."
I think heroine was created by some guy in the late 1800s and sold as a non addictive version of morphine, cant find a source though.
heres some wiki stuff on the war on drugs.
In 1937, the Marijuana Transfer Tax Act was passed. Several scholars have claimed that the goal was to destroy the hemp industry,[19][20][21] largely as an effort of businessmen Andrew Mellon, Randolph Hearst, and the Du Pont family.[19][21] These scholars argue that with the invention of the decorticator, hemp became a very cheap substitute for the paper pulp that was used in the newspaper industry.[19][22] These scholars believe that Hearst felt that this was a threat to his extensive timber holdings. Mellon, United States Secretary of the Treasury and the wealthiest man in America, had invested heavily in the DuPont's new synthetic fiber, nylon, and considered its success to depend on its replacement of the traditional resource, hemp.
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i read a a thing on a matchbox when i was ten.
it said " anything can kill" .
so i don't worry about it, beer,fag's,drug's,a car,bus,act of a god............. i'm dying.i'll choose how fast i get there.
so give me the beer,the drug's.'an all that. has'nt killed me yet.
but if the wife find's out i'm dead...........
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