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Posted on Fri Oct 21, 2011 09:35:55
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Drugs are bad? M'Kay |
Man, you should have your own TV show with cool original catchphrases like that! |
you shouldn't be unemployed with ass kissing like that!
but hay... here we are.
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Posted on Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:45:57
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Drugs are bad? M'Kay |
Man, you should have your own TV show with cool original catchphrases like that! |
you shouldn't be unemployed with ass kissing like that!
but hay... here we are. |
Tis' just a shame I'm actually in work brah.
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Posted on Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:48:32
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I'd make it even more illegal, with a mandatory ten year prison sentence just for possession.
Not because I'm against it, but more just to p*ss off stoners, some of the most tedious people on the planet.
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Posted on Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:53:46
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Moved...
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The day I start taking this seriously is the day I quit... |
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Posted on Fri Oct 21, 2011 14:40:44
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Someone posted something on something t'other day about Amsterdam making skunk class A..which is confusing if true.
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Posted on Fri Oct 21, 2011 18:51:23
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Someone posted something on something t'other day about Amsterdam making skunk class A..which is confusing if true. |
Yeah! Ive heard about this! making weed which has a THC % of over 15 is becoming a class A. How stupid can they get?!?! The amount of THC consumed depends on how much weed you put in a joint. Plus, lets be fair, 90% of Amsterdam tourists are stoners. Whos going to bother when the weed is only as good as the weed any where else?
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Posted on Sat Oct 22, 2011 06:29:07
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The world would be a less violent place |
Are you serious? Have you ever been around stoners before? I'd take a violent drunk over a paranoid, forgetful, unreliable stoner any day. And the hilarious thing is that because they are stoners they don't see themselves that way.
And every single long term stoner I know all have mental health issues. And I am not just saying 100% of them do for dramatic effect. And yes there is the issue of whether or not these people self medicated because they had mental health issues to start with or if it caused it the end result is the same. You get one of your old school friends trying to convince you that his father is Sean Connery whilst showing you pictures of him and his cat with him believing they are actually photos of him and his father. Funny for me, not so funny for him.
Or you have to leave your job like my flatmate because some out of his nut stoner accuses the only non stoner in a shared house of stealing his stash and gets really aggressive with him.
Or you get sectioned like an old school friend of mine. [another schizophrenic]
Or you get diagnosed as being bi-polar.
Or you turn on all your friends because they think they are out to get you. [paranoid delusions]
Or you decide that your lifes work is to be a homeless sitar player. . Seriously.
Or you throw yourself off a bridge. [depression coupled with schizophrenia]
THAT is what 15+ years of being a stoner will get you.
So yes. Legalise it. Because we need some long term research into it's effects and who's going to pay for it? Stoners? Who's judgement are we going to trust that it is a safe drug? Stoners? I don't think so.
I 100% believe that if these people hadn't smoked it when they were kids and their brains were still forming that they wouldn't be in the situations they are in now. And in one of those cases they wouldn't be dead.
www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mentalhealthinfo/problems/alcoholanddrugs/cannabis.aspx
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Posted on Sat Oct 22, 2011 06:38:07
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The world would be a less violent place |
Are you serious? Have you ever been around stoners before? I'd take a violent drunk over a paranoid, forgetful, unreliable stoner any day. And the hilarious thing is that because they are stoners they don't see themselves that way.
And every single long term stoner I know all have mental health issues. And I am not just saying 100% of them do for dramatic effect. And yes there is the issue of whether or not these people self medicated because they had mental health issues to start with or if it caused it the end result is the same. You get one of your old school friends trying to convince you that his father is Sean Connery whilst showing you pictures of him and his cat with him believing they are actually photos of him and his father. Funny for me, not so funny for him.
Or you have to leave your job like my flatmate because some out of his nut stoner accuses the only non stoner in a shared house of stealing his stash and gets really aggressive with him.
Or you get sectioned like an old school friend of mine. [another schizophrenic]
Or you get diagnosed as being bi-polar.
Or you turn on all your friends because they think they are out to get you. [paranoid delusions]
Or you decide that your lifes work is to be a homeless sitar player. . Seriously.
Or you throw yourself off a bridge. [depression coupled with schizophrenia]
THAT is what 15+ years of being a stoner will get you.
So yes. Legalise it. Because we need some long term research into it's effects and who's going to pay for it? Stoners? Who's judgement are we going to trust that it is a safe drug? Stoners? I don't think so.
I 100% believe that if these people hadn't smoked it when they were kids and their brains were still forming that they wouldn't be in the situations they are in now. And in one of those cases they wouldn't be dead.
www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mentalhealthinfo/problems/alcoholanddrugs/cannabis.aspx
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what you seem to not understand is.....LAWS ARNT WORKING ya numb nuts....
Why waste everybody else's money locking this people up for a few years at a time, pay for their rehabilitation and what not? Just get taxes out of them, relieve a little of the economy including the amount we pay into prisons and let them f**k their brain up. Just like we do with alcohol and tobacco
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Posted on Sat Oct 22, 2011 08:30:42
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The world would be a less violent place |
Are you serious? Have you ever been around stoners before? I'd take a violent drunk over a paranoid, forgetful, unreliable stoner any day. And the hilarious thing is that because they are stoners they don't see themselves that way.
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Lol, have you ever lived with a violent drunk?
I dont know, personally I would take someone who loses they keys all the time vs the person I have to be worried about getting punched in the face when I go to sleep....
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Posted on Sat Oct 22, 2011 23:11:58
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The world would be a less violent place |
Are you serious? Have you ever been around stoners before? I'd take a violent drunk over a paranoid, forgetful, unreliable stoner any day. And the hilarious thing is that because they are stoners they don't see themselves that way.
And every single long term stoner I know all have mental health issues. And I am not just saying 100% of them do for dramatic effect. And yes there is the issue of whether or not these people self medicated because they had mental health issues to start with or if it caused it the end result is the same. You get one of your old school friends trying to convince you that his father is Sean Connery whilst showing you pictures of him and his cat with him believing they are actually photos of him and his father. Funny for me, not so funny for him.
Or you have to leave your job like my flatmate because some out of his nut stoner accuses the only non stoner in a shared house of stealing his stash and gets really aggressive with him.
Or you get sectioned like an old school friend of mine. [another schizophrenic]
Or you get diagnosed as being bi-polar.
Or you turn on all your friends because they think they are out to get you. [paranoid delusions]
Or you decide that your lifes work is to be a homeless sitar player. . Seriously.
Or you throw yourself off a bridge. [depression coupled with schizophrenia]
THAT is what 15+ years of being a stoner will get you.
So yes. Legalise it. Because we need some long term research into it's effects and who's going to pay for it? Stoners? Who's judgement are we going to trust that it is a safe drug? Stoners? I don't think so.
I 100% believe that if these people hadn't smoked it when they were kids and their brains were still forming that they wouldn't be in the situations they are in now. And in one of those cases they wouldn't be dead.
www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mentalhealthinfo/problems/alcoholanddrugs/cannabis.aspx
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You know there is a thing called personal responsibility, its where your accountable for your own actions.
yeah pot increases your chances of developing a mental illness, just like drinking increases your chance of liver failure and brain damage, and nicotine "addiction" (i love it how its a habit if its legal and addiction if its not) is accountable for 15000 deaths in Australia every year.
yes there are down sides to long term marijuana use, but condemning it as inherently evil, is kind of dumb.
You know what really shits me up the wall about prohibation. its that its seen by most people as all bad! in aus we were debating weather or not it would be "safe" to use it for medical purposes. (cos u know morphine has nothing to do with heroine and is completely safe.)
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Posted on Mon Oct 24, 2011 06:37:02
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first off legalization the government do not know how to tax it..secondly the U.S i wasting tons of money on people who is either selling weed or has had it on them/smoked it, first off it is vary hard to OD (overdose) on you have to smoke three times your body weight in an hour (avg male 200lbs so X 3 = 600 pounds of weed not possible and if you legalize it and tax it just like cigarettes and alcohol the gov can be making money off of it jeez we already have the price on it and all that like 5sack, dime etc. just legalize it and get rid og the G13 and K2 so people quit dying off the stuff
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Posted on Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:05:00
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all you need to do is tax it so its lower then what it is on the street. that would kill the black market for it.
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Posted on Mon Oct 24, 2011 23:56:06
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I disagree. I don't like it so nobody else should get to have it, except through criminals. I am completely reasonable and not at all a twat. I think drugs are bad because they are illegal. I think drugs should stay illegal because they are bad.
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Posted on Tue Oct 25, 2011 15:39:07
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The world would be a less violent place |
Are you serious? Have you ever been around stoners before? I'd take a violent drunk over a paranoid, forgetful, unreliable stoner any day. And the hilarious thing is that because they are stoners they don't see themselves that way.
And every single long term stoner I know all have mental health issues. And I am not just saying 100% of them do for dramatic effect. And yes there is the issue of whether or not these people self medicated because they had mental health issues to start with or if it caused it the end result is the same. You get one of your old school friends trying to convince you that his father is Sean Connery whilst showing you pictures of him and his cat with him believing they are actually photos of him and his father. Funny for me, not so funny for him.
Or you have to leave your job like my flatmate because some out of his nut stoner accuses the only non stoner in a shared house of stealing his stash and gets really aggressive with him.
Or you get sectioned like an old school friend of mine. [another schizophrenic]
Or you get diagnosed as being bi-polar.
Or you turn on all your friends because they think they are out to get you. [paranoid delusions]
Or you decide that your lifes work is to be a homeless sitar player. . Seriously.
Or you throw yourself off a bridge. [depression coupled with schizophrenia]
THAT is what 15+ years of being a stoner will get you.
So yes. Legalise it. Because we need some long term research into it's effects and who's going to pay for it? Stoners? Who's judgement are we going to trust that it is a safe drug? Stoners? I don't think so.
I 100% believe that if these people hadn't smoked it when they were kids and their brains were still forming that they wouldn't be in the situations they are in now. And in one of those cases they wouldn't be dead.
www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mentalhealthinfo/problems/alcoholanddrugs/cannabis.aspx
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TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT MAKING THIS POST, so sorry for late reply. Stoner memory see. Im sure as hell not going to correct you when you say were forgetful.
Now, to your first point. What people do not seem to understand is that 99% of mental health issues are always there within that person. If said person was bi-polar, or schizophrenic, then it would have been dormant in there brain since birth. Weed does not course this, but more triggers it. There was a study done by one of L.As top colleges, as well as the UK's drug study department , which proved that 1 in 10 people are at risk of triggering mental health issues if they take any mind altering substance, BUT at the same time proved that weed, and extacy, were both far more safe to take than alcohol. Look into it, the head of the study quit his position after reporting what he had found out to the UK government, because they did not act on it.
Now your horror stories are unfortunate, and i am sorry to hear them. But if you say EVERY stoner you know has turned out badly, then you do not know a great deal of stoners.
There has never been a recorded fatality on weed, nore has there been any proof of any long term mental health issues CAUSED by weed (just triggered). My advice to someone thinking about smoking would be to ask themselves if they are the type of person to get paranoid or have mood swings, because if they are, its never going to help. It doesnt mean that the rest of us should feel like criminals for doing something that causes no one else any harm.
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Posted on Tue Oct 25, 2011 18:40:54
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By snoop187 [1510238]
The world would be a less violent place |
Are you serious? Have you ever been around stoners before? I'd take a violent drunk over a paranoid, forgetful, unreliable stoner any day. And the hilarious thing is that because they are stoners they don't see themselves that way.
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Lol, have you ever lived with a violent drunk?
I dont know, personally I would take someone who loses they keys all the time vs the person I have to be worried about getting punched in the face when I go to sleep.... |
I spoke to a guy who had done everything going,his worst habits were smack and booze..so i asked him which is the worst,the one he had wished he never got onto..his answer was booze,one day he said he was that bad he drunk this from under the sink.
Best to do nothing if you can be that person,if you cant then id go with weed every time.
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Posted on Wed Oct 26, 2011 19:55:22
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You know, I don't see why it's illegal. I never heard of it harming people in any way.
I know people are gonna go batshit crazy after reading this last sentence, but I think alcohol should be illegal instead of cannabis. |
I just find it comical that you believe you could trade the legalisation of one drug for the illegalisation of another.
Wonderful. |
Post one webpage that says someone died from cannabis.
After you at least look for one, look at all the stories and webpages online that speak of people dying from alcohol.
Cannabis is obviously a safer choice. It doesn't damage your liver like alcohol does, does it? It's all about creating a safe environment, not drinking ourselves to death. |
no death has ever been recorded from weed although the reason it is classed in between C and B class ( cant remember it its back to B or not) is that it causes mental illness.
But i think all drugs should be legal. as long as your habits do not effect other peoples lives you should be able to ingest, inhale or whatever you wish. would also give the uk government a nice income from taxation.
in 98 the home office said it was worth around £7billion in the uk I am sure its grown to like 10billion at least. if all drug where legal then the HMRC would get around £1.8billion from VAT and adding on import tax, tax between company sale they would probably double it.
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Posted on Sat Oct 29, 2011 04:33:52
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okay first off, popadapill i dont believe somebody would drink brasso in place of alcohol, he might have drank it just because he a idiot (which if you look at his history iam sure would be a strong case for me) But not because of alcohol.
Then for all the people saying alcohol should be banned your all dumb. Theres an age restriction of 21 an above (in the U.S.) so by the time your 21 you should be able to decided what to do yourself. you shouldnt need a law preventing you from doing something thats bad for you, you should be allowed to make the boneheaded decision for youself.
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Posted on Sat Oct 29, 2011 17:31:34
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One time I smoked marijuana and I started hallucinating, turned schizophrenic, and had to be committed to a mental institution for 3 weeks.
But that's not as bad as the time when I got so drunk that I though battery acid was orange juice.... worst screwdriver ever.
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Posted on Sat Oct 29, 2011 22:36:55
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okay first off, popadapill i dont believe somebody would drink brasso in place of alcohol, he might have drank it just because he a idiot (which if you look at his history iam sure would be a strong case for me) But not because of alcohol. then saying he was on "smack" Nobody calls it that anymore, thats like call PcP "angel dust'.
Then for all the people saying alcohol should be banned your all dumb. Theres an age restriction of 21 an above (in the U.S.) so by the time your 21 you should be able to decided what to do yourself. you shouldnt need a law preventing you from doing something thats bad for you, you should be allowed to make the boneheaded decision for youself. |
What you on about,okay first off ''I dont believe''..oh so you dont believe it so it didnt happen?His history?Wtf you are on about there i dont know as you didnt know him.I am/was a smackhead for many many a year,too many and i still know the term smack is used...what difference the name makes anyway,its slang and different slang gets used in different places...Idiot.
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Posted on Sat Oct 29, 2011 23:04:53
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nvm.. not like it matters
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Posted on Sat Oct 29, 2011 23:16:36
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nvm.. not like it matters
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Posted on Sun Oct 30, 2011 05:33:43
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Careful, Staff dont like the word Idiot, i have been banned twice for it now. But, you can live in your dream world where alcohalics drink brasso because they think its the same thing, and potheads are ideal citizens.... i would insert a name but i hear theres a 3 strikes and your out rule.
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Posted on Sun Oct 30, 2011 21:09:07
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whats the difference? Maybe if you go up to a dealer asking for smack they will tell you to keep moving, Because nobody calls it that anymore. Careful, Staff dont like the word Idiot, i have been banned twice for it now. But, you can live in your dream world where alcohalics drink brasso because they think its the same thing, and potheads are ideal citizens.... i would insert a name but i hear theres a 3 strikes and your out rule. |
Not in NR mate
Anyway legalize/dont legalize I will still smoke it. It relieves the stresses and anxieties of everyday life as well as making things more entertaining, so why the f**k not? I mean I can drink beer instead but im working on a six pack plus I'd rather not the nausea and hangover that is non-existent for me a weed.
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Posted on Sun Oct 30, 2011 21:55:25
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Careful, Staff dont like the word Idiot, i have been banned twice for it now. But, you can live in your dream world where alcohalics drink brasso because they think its the same thing, and potheads are ideal citizens.... i would insert a name but i hear theres a 3 strikes and your out rule. |
Not in NR mate
Anyway legalize/dont legalize I will still smoke it. It relieves the stresses and anxieties of everyday life as well as making things more entertaining, so why the f**k not? I mean I can drink beer instead but im working on a six pack plus I'd rather not the nausea and hangover that is non-existent for me a weed. |
well i had a 7 day ban for calling Ted an idiot here already. So iam trying to watch what i say now.
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Posted on Tue Nov 01, 2011 16:21:55
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okay first off, popadapill i dont believe somebody would drink brasso in place of alcohol, he might have drank it just because he a idiot (which if you look at his history iam sure would be a strong case for me) But not because of alcohol. then saying he was on "smack" Nobody calls it that anymore, thats like call PcP "angel dust'.
Then for all the people saying alcohol should be banned your all dumb. Theres an age restriction of 21 an above (in the U.S.) so by the time your 21 you should be able to decided what to do yourself. you shouldnt need a law preventing you from doing something thats bad for you, you should be allowed to make the boneheaded decision for youself. |
What you on about,okay first off ''I dont believe''..oh so you dont believe it so it didnt happen?His history?Wtf you are on about there i dont know as you didnt know him.I am/was a smackhead for many many a year,too many and i still know the term smack is used...what difference the name makes anyway,its slang and different slang gets used in different places...Idiot.
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whats the difference? Maybe if you go up to a dealer asking for smack they will tell you to keep moving, Because nobody calls it that anymore. Careful, Staff dont like the word Idiot, i have been banned twice for it now. But, you can live in your dream world where alcohalics drink brasso because they think its the same thing, and potheads are ideal citizens.... i would insert a name but i hear theres a 3 strikes and your out rule. |
You are talking complete rubbish,if you dont look like undercover you get served whether you say go any gear,smack,brown,powder,horse,H whatever....how many years of Brown buying have you done?2 to 4 times a day me for well over ten years AND not once did a dealer say ''what mate?We dont call it that here you know''....and the brasso,well google Brasso and alcohol,you obviously never been addicted to anything to the point it haunts your every being....come back when you know what your talking about.
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Posted on Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:31:27
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Skunk can cause problems. Smoking can cause problems. Natural weed doesn't cause any damage.
Not that any of that even matters, people should have the right to f**k themselves up however they like. The idea of criminalizing a plant is absurd. But then why on earth would our rational western governments legalise a drug that isnt easily taxable and allow hemp to put all their buddies companies out of business?
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Posted on Fri Nov 04, 2011 19:40:38
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To any pro-legalization UK people, you should definitely consider joining Clear - Cannabis Law Reform which used to be known as the Legalize Cannabis Alliance. (http://clear-uk.org/) If you're a student it's only £1 a year to be a member and £5 for non students. They've been really putting in some good work to raise awareness for the cause in the UK and the new leader Peter Reynolds knows what he's doing.
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Posted on Thu Nov 24, 2011 20:47:26
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I have a feeling this thread must be full of hippies 
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same
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anyone got any experience of the synthetic cannabinoid AM2201 ? it's still legal to buy here in the uk (not for human consumption but luckily onions are classed as vegetables) but I've read some scary things about it on other forums. Just interested if any tornites have any personal experience......
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