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Posted on Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:44:34
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I know a lot of people do not read, but I have stated tobacco should be treated the same as weed and other drugs.
So LimeTree, are you happy to go around seeing 11 year olds smoking weed?
As I stated, I am undecided on the whole issue, I can see both the benefits and costs of legalising drugs.
As I stated one of hte costs is you will make access and availability a lot easier to the young. If you are comfortable with that simply so older people can legally smoke it, so be it.
And as for the "Anyway at the end of the day we should be allowed to do what we want with ourselves, it's not really up to you what I do with my time ya know"
So its fine for smokers to inflict the smoke onto non-smokers? Its fine for those who choose not to smoke to have to suffer from it?
The problem with letting people do what they want, is at times what they do impacts others. And most people are to selfish to consider others.
And as for where you draw the line that works both ways, where do you draw the line on what to legalise and what not to legalise? Why not legalise heroin or LSD or cocaine?
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Ok you think drugs are inherently evil because of the damage they may do, yet the way you want to reduce the harm drugs do is to shoot its users?
Whats dangerous is an unregulated drug market and the lengths some people go to do business. Drug use is a personal choice and nothing more, people will be educated on how to use it, the products will be consistent and people who go overboard can seek help without feeling as bad or being branded criminals their entire life.
And would it really be that big a loss if someone dumb enough to eat a bottle of regulated extacy and die?
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Posted on Fri Jun 22, 2012 16:56:43
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I know a lot of people do not read, but I have stated tobacco should be treated the same as weed and other drugs.
So LimeTree, are you happy to go around seeing 11 year olds smoking weed?
As I stated, I am undecided on the whole issue, I can see both the benefits and costs of legalising drugs.
As I stated one of hte costs is you will make access and availability a lot easier to the young. If you are comfortable with that simply so older people can legally smoke it, so be it.
And as for the "Anyway at the end of the day we should be allowed to do what we want with ourselves, it's not really up to you what I do with my time ya know"
So its fine for smokers to inflict the smoke onto non-smokers? Its fine for those who choose not to smoke to have to suffer from it?
The problem with letting people do what they want, is at times what they do impacts others. And most people are to selfish to consider others.
And as for where you draw the line that works both ways, where do you draw the line on what to legalise and what not to legalise? Why not legalise heroin or LSD or cocaine?
You will never fully satisfy everyone. |
Ok you think drugs are inherently evil because of the damage they may do, yet the way you want to reduce the harm drugs do is to shoot its users?
Whats dangerous is an unregulated drug market and the lengths some people go to do business. Drug use is a personal choice and nothing more, people will be educated on how to use it, the products will be consistent and people who go overboard can seek help without feeling as bad or being branded criminals their entire life.
And would it really be that big a loss if someone dumb enough to eat a bottle of regulated extacy and die? |
Problem is people can't be educated on how to use it.
The brain effects are now yet well known as well as it being illegal is building a rebel prohibitive image of drugs.
Yet i believe the one thinking it is legal or harmless are delusional as well the stubborn government lending people in jail for consumption or owning.
There's people in jail for life for detention of cannabis.
Some midnite express stuff...
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Posted on Fri Jun 22, 2012 19:28:20
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FB-Huey, what's to stop someone right now from buying a 750ml bottle of Everclear, that ranges from 90%-95% alcohol, and killing themselves by drinking it as if it were normal liquor?
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Posted on Fri Jun 22, 2012 20:19:44
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Limey, let's stop over simplifying things. For one, not everyone has access to all drugs. Of course, there are some people who are surrounded by that scene, and who know people, but the vast majority of people cannot just make a phone call and have heroin, ecstasy, and meth within an hour. Also, not to mention the fact that even if one did know such a dealer, it's not as if it's always a sure thing. So stop being silly and pretending that if ecstasy and heroin were sold at your local pharmacy, that it would not be infinitely more accessible than it is now to vastly larger amounts of people.
Now, your point about accessibility not translating to a proportionate increase usage is correct. Just because something is sold somewhere does not mean people will use it. Cigarettes are very available in the US at virtually every corner store, gas station, market, etc. but the smoking population has been dramatically decreasing for a while now. |
Everyone has access if they want access. They may have to make a very small effort, but everyone has access. All the drugs may not be around always however, as you say, when the government f**ks up on getting the latest shipment in from afghanistan. But this will occur for a couple drugs, not all. And people will happily substitute drugs, or buy very unclean drugs as a result. For example the consumption of random research chemicals is ridiculously high when mdma/pills are dry. People take drugs if theyre gonna take drugs, they don't if theyre not. Anyone who thinks this is effected by the legality or the supply is silly. Who are these mystery people that are going to start using smack the day you can buy it in tesco?
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Posted on Sun Jun 24, 2012 18:28:19
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www.thehempire.com/index.php/cannabis/cannabis_effects/uk_cannabis_cafes_and_coffeeshops
an article I found about UK cannabis
There are also rumors of planned Cannabis farms in the UK from Brighten to Glasgow
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Posted on Mon Jun 25, 2012 17:47:32
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I wish they would. You grow it, you pay for a license, which the fee is based on indoor: grow room wattage and outdoor: number of plants.
Remove the black market and add another BILLION dollar industry to the american people, instead of mexican cartels.
It's a no-brainer really.
1500 watts can yeild easily a pound a month, with the average cost being 4500 to 5k a month for a small grower. That's a nice income to earn, and plenty of tax dollars to go around.
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Posted on Mon Jun 25, 2012 18:03:19
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By LimeTree [1321200]
Everyone has access if they want access. They may have to make a very small effort, but everyone has access. All the drugs may not be around always however, as you say, when the government f**ks up on getting the latest shipment in from afghanistan. But this will occur for a couple drugs, not all. And people will happily substitute drugs, or buy very unclean drugs as a result. For example the consumption of random research chemicals is ridiculously high when mdma/pills are dry. People take drugs if theyre gonna take drugs, they don't if theyre not. Anyone who thinks this is effected by the legality or the supply is silly. Who are these mystery people that are going to start using smack the day you can buy it in tesco? |
Well if you live in a major city, then yeah it's fairly easy... but not everyone does live in big cities I don't know why you're paranoid to admit that access to the drugs would increase dramatically, and would take the unpredictable-ness out of waiting to find out whether or not your particular connect has anything. Making a few phone calls, driving to town, and/or chasing someone down is a little more complicated than just going to your local corner pharmacy and picking up some coke. Sure, buying a 20 of pot is about the easiest transaction in the world to make, but the same can't really be said for other drugs that carry far harsher punishments.
I'm not arguing against you that it's a silly battle to fight against drugs, and the amount of money and manpower invested in it is almost ridiculous... seeing as there is only violence surrounding drugs because they are illegal... sort of a catch-22 I guess.
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Posted on Mon Jun 25, 2012 19:45:27
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Just saw this:
www.highexistence.com/videos/view/best-marijuana-argument-ever-given-by-superior-court-judge-james-p-gray/
N.B. The website isn't about drugs, it is about thought provoking videos, pictures and discussions.
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Posted on Wed Jun 27, 2012 02:23:54
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I don't mind if they legalise cannibis but people seem to be a bit ahead of themselves about what it would allow them to do.
If it was legalised you would probably only be able to use it in private for example your own home, or somebody elses who gives consent for you to use it. It's unlikely it would be legal for use ANYWHERE in public, even the smoking areas in pubs. It may be made illegal to smoke anything whilst driving, if not you can atleast expect to be pulled over to verify you're only smoking tobacco. People would still be required to do drug tests and if you're a regular smoker it would probably render you ineligible for some jobs.
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Posted on Wed Jun 27, 2012 03:43:13
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By bosox [278767]
FB-Huey, what's to stop someone right now from buying a 750ml bottle of Everclear, that ranges from 90%-95% alcohol, and killing themselves by drinking it as if it were normal liquor? |
nothing.
But a regulated market would let us know what we're taking and about how much we can use safely, so theres no risk of it being cut with a bunch of other shit you'v never even heard of.
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Posted on Wed Jun 27, 2012 03:49:37
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I know a lot of people do not read, but I have stated tobacco should be treated the same as weed and other drugs.
So LimeTree, are you happy to go around seeing 11 year olds smoking weed?
As I stated, I am undecided on the whole issue, I can see both the benefits and costs of legalising drugs.
As I stated one of hte costs is you will make access and availability a lot easier to the young. If you are comfortable with that simply so older people can legally smoke it, so be it.
And as for the "Anyway at the end of the day we should be allowed to do what we want with ourselves, it's not really up to you what I do with my time ya know"
So its fine for smokers to inflict the smoke onto non-smokers? Its fine for those who choose not to smoke to have to suffer from it?
The problem with letting people do what they want, is at times what they do impacts others. And most people are to selfish to consider others.
And as for where you draw the line that works both ways, where do you draw the line on what to legalise and what not to legalise? Why not legalise heroin or LSD or cocaine?
You will never fully satisfy everyone. |
Ok you think drugs are inherently evil because of the damage they may do, yet the way you want to reduce the harm drugs do is to shoot its users?
Whats dangerous is an unregulated drug market and the lengths some people go to do business. Drug use is a personal choice and nothing more, people will be educated on how to use it, the products will be consistent and people who go overboard can seek help without feeling as bad or being branded criminals their entire life.
And would it really be that big a loss if someone dumb enough to eat a bottle of regulated extacy and die? |
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Problem is people can't be educated on how to use it.
Yes they can, we done it for alcohol which was once illegal in America, and it became an incredibly dangerous industry.
Yet i believe the one thinking it is legal or harmless are delusional as well the stubborn government lending people in jail for consumption or owning.
Which is why decriminalisation of all, and legalisation of some drugs, is the way to reduce dangers
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Posted on Wed Jun 27, 2012 03:52:29
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By robocop [24729]
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By _Cynic_ [206537]
I know a lot of people do not read, but I have stated tobacco should be treated the same as weed and other drugs.
So LimeTree, are you happy to go around seeing 11 year olds smoking weed?
As I stated, I am undecided on the whole issue, I can see both the benefits and costs of legalising drugs.
As I stated one of hte costs is you will make access and availability a lot easier to the young. If you are comfortable with that simply so older people can legally smoke it, so be it.
And as for the "Anyway at the end of the day we should be allowed to do what we want with ourselves, it's not really up to you what I do with my time ya know"
So its fine for smokers to inflict the smoke onto non-smokers? Its fine for those who choose not to smoke to have to suffer from it?
The problem with letting people do what they want, is at times what they do impacts others. And most people are to selfish to consider others.
And as for where you draw the line that works both ways, where do you draw the line on what to legalise and what not to legalise? Why not legalise heroin or LSD or cocaine?
You will never fully satisfy everyone. |
Ok you think drugs are inherently evil because of the damage they may do, yet the way you want to reduce the harm drugs do is to shoot its users?
Whats dangerous is an unregulated drug market and the lengths some people go to do business. Drug use is a personal choice and nothing more, people will be educated on how to use it, the products will be consistent and people who go overboard can seek help without feeling as bad or being branded criminals their entire life.
And would it really be that big a loss if someone dumb enough to eat a bottle of regulated extacy and die? |
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"Problem is people can't be educated on how to use it."
Yes they can, we done it for alcohol which was once illegal in America, and it became an incredibly dangerous industry.
"Yet i believe the one thinking it is legal or harmless are delusional as well the stubborn government lending people in jail for consumption or owning."
Which is why decriminalisation of all, and legalisation of some drugs, is the way to reduce dangers |
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Posted on Wed Jun 27, 2012 03:54:55
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also i have a couple grams of weed wrapped tightly in tn foil, and i need to know how long it'd last, needs to last till the 10th.
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Posted on Wed Jun 27, 2012 19:20:11
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By _Cynic_ [206537]
I know a lot of people do not read, but I have stated tobacco should be treated the same as weed and other drugs.
So LimeTree, are you happy to go around seeing 11 year olds smoking weed?
As I stated, I am undecided on the whole issue, I can see both the benefits and costs of legalising drugs.
As I stated one of hte costs is you will make access and availability a lot easier to the young. If you are comfortable with that simply so older people can legally smoke it, so be it.
And as for the "Anyway at the end of the day we should be allowed to do what we want with ourselves, it's not really up to you what I do with my time ya know"
So its fine for smokers to inflict the smoke onto non-smokers? Its fine for those who choose not to smoke to have to suffer from it?
The problem with letting people do what they want, is at times what they do impacts others. And most people are to selfish to consider others.
And as for where you draw the line that works both ways, where do you draw the line on what to legalise and what not to legalise? Why not legalise heroin or LSD or cocaine?
You will never fully satisfy everyone. |
Ok you think drugs are inherently evil because of the damage they may do, yet the way you want to reduce the harm drugs do is to shoot its users?
Whats dangerous is an unregulated drug market and the lengths some people go to do business. Drug use is a personal choice and nothing more, people will be educated on how to use it, the products will be consistent and people who go overboard can seek help without feeling as bad or being branded criminals their entire life.
And would it really be that big a loss if someone dumb enough to eat a bottle of regulated extacy and die? |
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"Problem is people can't be educated on how to use it."
Yes they can, we done it for alcohol which was once illegal in America, and it became an incredibly dangerous industry.
"Yet i believe the one thinking it is legal or harmless are delusional as well the stubborn government lending people in jail for consumption or owning."
Which is why decriminalisation of all, and legalisation of some drugs, is the way to reduce dangers |
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decriminalisation is the idea but legalisation is a problem assuming that people can't be educated i mean u did put apart the quote about the effect on brain which is somehow the most interesting part about it as for ur assumption that alcohol is dangerous, yet cannabis is drug too, that's also why they are on about don't drive while using drugs, even if it has some sexual connotation.
Liberalisation is on a dangerous path.
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Posted on Wed Jun 27, 2012 19:42:36
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Robocop, people drive while intoxicated with alcohol as it is, and certainly do so while high off some drug now too. It's not creating any new problems.
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Posted on Thu Jun 28, 2012 00:11:35
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By bosox [278767]
Robocop, people drive while intoxicated with alcohol as it is, and certainly do so while high off some drug now too. It's not creating any new problems. |
It's about mentalities, not about they do or they won't.
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Posted on Thu Jun 28, 2012 00:26:12
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Yes, and you wont change a mentality by legalizing something or not.
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Posted on Thu Jun 28, 2012 00:29:59
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Yes, and you wont change a mentality by legalizing something or not. |
Could be better... Since there will be more money in it and state will take charges of it or some companies, that's the point lobbyist will say marijuana is good and some association will say that u have to take care.
That's a huge debate...
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Posted on Thu Jun 28, 2012 21:17:36
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I am neither for nor against the legalization of such drugs, but looking at the facts, places where legal use programs have been used have seen significant decrease in both crime and drug usages. In Amsterdam, cannabis can be used in certain places, at certain times, and that has cause the drug rings to lower, as well as drug related crimes to lower.
Much more significantly (and a bit more off topic) in Vancouver, there has been a trail of a heroin drug program. In this program, addicts are allowed certain amounts of heroin per day, administered by a nurse using clean needles, as longs at the addict agrees to go to the psychology programs in the clinic. This program has seen the best results (by far) of getting addicts clean.
I am not for the legalization, because it is my opinion that a clean, sober mind is the best, but programs like these have seen by far the most improvement. Yet, politicians are trying to remove these programs, and cover up their existence, it is the electric car all over again*. These programs should exist, and should be more wide spread.
*for those who do not know, in the early 2000's, GM tested an electric car, which worked with amazing efficiency, and speed [one person was arrested for driving 150miles/hour in a 60 zone, or something on that line, I now they were way over the limit, and it was a highway, but I am not going to look it up right not] and after the trail period, GM destroyed all of the cars, and sold the company that made the batteries to one of the oil giants
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Posted on Sun Jul 01, 2012 22:09:56
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^ so you sit on the fence. waiting.:P
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At the end of the day, the drugs are not the issue. It is the people who created them and are now circulating them... Do your research and you will actually find it is the people who are actually in a 'War on Drugs' right now.
They create synthetic version so they can patent the drug and sell it in pharmaceutical companies for profit. As well as the illegal side of the drugs market. Afghanistan was invaded and their opium fields were taken over and trafficked back to America.
The underlining issue here however, is not the drugs, not the people who created them, but the reason why they created them. The reason is for the sole purpose of money. Wealth is a means to get wealth.
Drugs should not be legalised, they should not be decriminalised nor should they be illegal as I believe the Governments should not have power and the ability to control us and our opinions by feeding us propaganda etc. They should not have the ability to profit from the 'War on Drugs' we are in and they definitely should not be able to tax the drugs in order to profit from them either.
I think everybody should have access to drugs above a reasonable age, say 18, as this supposedly when you become fully independant. If these people then decide they want to OD on heroin I do not have any problem with this, it is their choice to take that risk and they do not have to. It will just provide a more psycologically and physically strong world as only the fittest and educated will make the smart choice.
Which leads me to the next issue on drugs. Education. They feed us propaganda throughout all the media forcing their opinion and taking ours away. A large percentage will watch the news and take it as gospel truth which is wrong. They should educate themselves and base their own opinion on the matter.
For example marijuana, if people were actually aware of marijuana's medicinal value would they still agree with it being illegal? That is why it is never reported as most people believe what they see on the media and using cannabis as a medicine would not benefit them as it is a natural product and cannot be patented. This is also the reason why they attempted to make a synthetic version of the THC compound which could be patented and sold for profit - which are not very effective I might add.
Edit: I said "they should not be decriminalised" but this is most likely the best option short of eliminating currency and government. By decriminalisation I mean that reasonable amounts are not seen as an offense. Large amounts and dealing etc. would still be an offense. I would want the drugs to be sold in a similar method to the coffee shops in Amsterdam without tax. I think education would play a large role in this as well. People are not adequetly educated about the harmful effects (and benefits such as medicinal values) which means they are not fully aware of the outcome of their actions.
We should also have the option to grow our own personal supply without it resulting in a criminal record. Growing for profit would be prohibited however.
Drugs being sold through legitimate outlets would mean the drugs would be cleaner and thus safer for consumption. Using marijuana and hash as an example, I have heard of marijuana and hashish being sprayed with glass or mixed with plastic bags, oil, dog shit, just whatever will increse its weight and therefore increase their profits. So if the drugs were legitimately sold there would be no need to try and maximise profits as the process has no risk to it and would be regulated; so, we would know exactly where the drugs have come from and there effects/benefits.
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Posted on Sun Jul 15, 2012 17:39:05
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^ make your mind up.
Drugs should not be legalised,they should not be decriminalised nor should they be illegal
which is it ?
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Posted on Sun Sep 23, 2012 02:00:56
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I think smoking a joint once in a while is no biggie. If you want to get high nobody should have the right to stop you. Plus doctors say it has benifits for cancer patients, people with depression/anxiety.
There is nothing wrong with cannabis.
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Posted on Sun Sep 23, 2012 13:49:01
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^ except that it's a class b drug.illegal to grow,use,or sell.unless licensed by goverment's for research into future taxation.
when taxes from tobbaco fall so low because of goverment's drive to reduce death's/medical cost's reduces tax income, then a safer smoking alternative will recover lost revenue.
Cannabis will become the new tobbaco.
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Posted on Tue Oct 02, 2012 06:50:39
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No. Look where they come from. if they where legal there would be a lot more violence because the drug lords could better equipt themselfs. Take this from a 1st person opinion of someone who lives on the mexican border. 12 Us maries where just killed by the cartel for affiliation to the USA.
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Posted on Tue Oct 02, 2012 13:50:29
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also i have a couple grams of weed wrapped tightly in tn foil, and i need to know how long it'd last, needs to last till the 10th. |
I know this is very late but for anyone else who's in the same predicament:
Find a seal-tight glass jar, such as a Nutella jar or a jam jar. Make sure it's properly cleaned out and washed. Put your ganja in this and seal it tightly. Then put this jar in a cool, dark place which isn't in any direct light. Should last for as long as you need it to last (within reason).
Legalize MDMA!!!
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Posted on Wed Oct 03, 2012 16:37:18
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By SlayerSD1 [1607391]
No. Look where they come from. if they where legal there would be a lot more violence because the drug lords could better equipt themselfs. Take this from a 1st person opinion of someone who lives on the mexican border. 12 Us maries where just killed by the cartel for affiliation to the USA. |
You realise that if they were legal we wouldn't need drug lords yeah?
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Posted on Thu Oct 04, 2012 17:34:29
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By SlayerSD1 [1607391]
No. Look where they come from. if they where legal there would be a lot more violence because the drug lords could better equipt themselfs. Take this from a 1st person opinion of someone who lives on the mexican border. 12 Us maries where just killed by the cartel for affiliation to the USA. |
You realise that if they were legal we wouldn't need drug lords yeah? |
Because there's never been a black market for legal products...
Pull your head out of your arse once in a while and you might see how idiotic you sound at times.
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Posted on Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:58:32
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By Silent-Rage [193964]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By SlayerSD1 [1607391]
No. Look where they come from. if they where legal there would be a lot more violence because the drug lords could better equipt themselfs. Take this from a 1st person opinion of someone who lives on the mexican border. 12 Us maries where just killed by the cartel for affiliation to the USA. |
You realise that if they were legal we wouldn't need drug lords yeah? |
Because there's never been a black market for legal products...
Pull your head out of your arse once in a while and you might see how idiotic you sound at times. |
Your comment it totally invalid....
Just check the bootlegging history in the US for instance.
Were do most in US buy there liquor nowadays?
In a legit liquor store, not from the mob, or some black market.
As for Cannabis, most are buying it legally in shops overhere, not on the streets, blackmarket, or whatever...
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Posted on Mon Oct 08, 2012 14:50:38
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By Julez [237543]
By Silent-Rage [193964]
By LimeTree [1321200]
By SlayerSD1 [1607391]
No. Look where they come from. if they where legal there would be a lot more violence because the drug lords could better equipt themselfs. Take this from a 1st person opinion of someone who lives on the mexican border. 12 Us maries where just killed by the cartel for affiliation to the USA. |
You realise that if they were legal we wouldn't need drug lords yeah? |
Because there's never been a black market for legal products...
Pull your head out of your arse once in a while and you might see how idiotic you sound at times. |
Your comment it totally invalid....
Just check the bootlegging history in the US for instance.
Were do most in US buy there liquor nowadays?
In a legit liquor store, not from the mob, or some black market.
As for Cannabis, most are buying it legally in shops overhere, not on the streets, blackmarket, or whatever...
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It's not invalid at all though. I'm willing to that not every single piece of music on your computer was legally obtained?
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