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Where is David Moyes going wrong with Man Utd, seriously?

Does he deserve the chance to show he's worthy, or can he not take the pressure and needs to be replaced ASAP?


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Posted on Thu Dec 05, 2013 15:08:59
He's inherited a pretty bad squad (says a lot about the quality of the Premier League last season), and of course he deserves time, anyone who believes otherwise is a fool.

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Posted on Fri Dec 06, 2013 17:58:39
I guess he has, hasn't he. What if it gets to the point that Man Utd start to perform so badly, that no players want to go there anymore?


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Posted on Fri Dec 06, 2013 22:56:57
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He's inherited a pretty bad squad (says a lot about the quality of the Premier League last season), and of course he deserves time, anyone who believes otherwise is a fool.


Im a fool.

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Posted on Tue Dec 24, 2013 18:56:29
He's a good manager, just needs time.

Like Brendan Rodgers at Liverpool.

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Posted on Tue Dec 24, 2013 19:41:17
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He's inherited a pretty bad squad (says a lot about the quality of the Premier League last season), and of course he deserves time, anyone who believes otherwise is a fool.


Im a fool.


Well... you guys do chop & change a lot so I'm not that surprised.

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Posted on Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:59:21
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He's inherited a pretty bad squad (says a lot about the quality of the Premier League last season), and of course he deserves time, anyone who believes otherwise is a fool.


I disagree, a lot of people like to hate the squad atm. But Rooney is playing better than ever. Valencia and Young need to rediscover their form. Jannuzi is giving us some real width on the left, like a young ryan giggs.

Just need to replace anderson and Nani.

With Fletcher back, and hopefully carrick back soon we have a good backbone.

We need a world class centre mid. Someone like Mata and a backup replacement for Evra at left back. Then we'd have as good a first team as anyone.

As far as Moyes go, no rash decisions need to be made. The premier league is the most competitive it has been in years. As long we are there or there abouts of 4th spot I'll be happy.


Moyes biggest failure was not buying in the summer and then panic buying Fellaini.

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Posted on Wed Dec 25, 2013 21:15:42
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He's inherited a pretty bad squad (says a lot about the quality of the Premier League last season), and of course he deserves time, anyone who believes otherwise is a fool.


I disagree, a lot of people like to hate the squad atm. But Rooney is playing better than ever. Valencia and Young need to rediscover their form. Jannuzi is giving us some real width on the left, like a young ryan giggs.

Just need to replace anderson and Nani.

With Fletcher back, and hopefully carrick back soon we have a good backbone.

We need a world class centre mid. Someone like Mata and a backup replacement for Evra at left back. Then we'd have as good a first team as anyone.

As far as Moyes go, no rash decisions need to be made. The premier league is the most competitive it has been in years. As long we are there or there abouts of 4th spot I'll be happy.


Moyes biggest failure was not buying in the summer and then panic buying Fellaini.


Fair point about Rooney, he's been immense.

But what you've basically said in the rest of that, is that our complete midfield is a shambles .. Although I do think Valencia has already been much improved this season so far compared to lest

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Posted on Wed Dec 25, 2013 22:21:50
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He's inherited a pretty bad squad (says a lot about the quality of the Premier League last season), and of course he deserves time, anyone who believes otherwise is a fool.


I disagree, a lot of people like to hate the squad atm. But Rooney is playing better than ever. Valencia and Young need to rediscover their form. Jannuzi is giving us some real width on the left, like a young ryan giggs.

Just need to replace anderson and Nani.

With Fletcher back, and hopefully carrick back soon we have a good backbone.

We need a world class centre mid. Someone like Mata and a backup replacement for Evra at left back. Then we'd have as good a first team as anyone.

As far as Moyes go, no rash decisions need to be made. The premier league is the most competitive it has been in years. As long we are there or there abouts of 4th spot I'll be happy.


Moyes biggest failure was not buying in the summer and then panic buying Fellaini.


Fair point about Rooney, he's been immense.

But what you've basically said in the rest of that, is that our complete midfield is a shambles .. Although I do think Valencia has already been much improved this season so far compared to lest


Nowhere near a complete shambles, just a few injuries.

I think Valencia Carrick fletcher/cleverly jannuzi is a great midfield


I'm saying it can be improved with a bit of flare but it's still a better midfield than liverpool



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Posted on Fri Dec 27, 2013 15:21:29
fletcher wont ever be back to form unfortunately he isstill having recurring problems and is most likely going to have to retire soon

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Posted on Fri Dec 27, 2013 20:40:58
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fletcher wont ever be back to form unfortunately he isstill having recurring problems and is most likely going to have to retire soon


It think he's played okay from what I've seen, he can pass as well as ever. Just need to see if he's got the fitness and defensive knack back.

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Posted on Fri Dec 27, 2013 22:23:18
Manchester Uniteds squad is in shambles, i'm not surprised were struggling.

Carrick is good, Anderson and Cleverly arn't United standard, and Valencia is good but un-consistent. Nani is a good player but on shit form, I don't even think Young is premier league standard. Also Fellani doesn't suit United style/squad he's lazy and slow. Kagawa is good but he's been ruined by United NGL. also Fletcher is nothing special anymore he's also getting old.

we need Rues and Koke, could also do with a Left back and a Centre Back.

Now about are defense, Evans is average, Ferdinand need to retire he's dreadful, Vidic hasn't been the same since his injury, Rafael is good tbf. And Evra is good at going forward but his awareness and defensive mind is awful.

De gea is learning....Average atm.

Rooney and Van persie decent, Hernandez is good but underplayed (like Kagawa) Welbeck is complete crap he's hard working though.

Thats my opinion tbh, Hopefully we get some decent signings like Rues and Koke in January.


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Posted on Sat Dec 28, 2013 00:07:17
De gea is the best keeper in the league.

Clevery is getting so much stick not it's unreal, he's a decent player. Young has the talent just needs to wise up. I have never rated Nani. For every good game he has 4 awful games.

Evans is a quality centre back, getting better year on year. He had one of the greatest defensive performances this year when he man marked Ronaldo out of the Portugal-Northern Ireland game (1-1)

Fellani really needs to be played in a supporting striker role not the defensive midfielder(lazy/slow didn't you see him last year at Everton?)

Rooney, Kagawa and Fellani all play that role and no one is going to take Rooney out of that role. Hence Kags/wellbeck/Fellani being played OOP for most of the season.




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Posted on Sat Dec 28, 2013 14:06:35
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De gea is the best keeper in the league.

Clevery is getting so much stick not it's unreal, he's a decent player. Young has the talent just needs to wise up. I have never rated Nani. For every good game he has 4 awful games.

Evans is a quality centre back, getting better year on year. He had one of the greatest defensive performances this year when he man marked Ronaldo out of the Portugal-Northern Ireland game (1-1)

Fellani really needs to be played in a supporting striker role not the defensive midfielder(lazy/slow didn't you see him last year at Everton?)

Rooney, Kagawa and Fellani all play that role and no one is going to take Rooney out of that role. Hence Kags/wellbeck/Fellani being played OOP for most of the season.




Wow, De Gea isn't even close to the best keeper in the league. Do you remember when Ferguson was going to drop him because he made so many mistakes and saved with his feet so much? Krul, Hart, Vorm, Lloris, Szczesny, Mignolet are all better bro.

Cleverly good? wow i don't know what team your watching, he isn't a young lad anymore he's 24, nearly 25. and he's had 44 apps and only 4 goals. all he ever does is pass backwards because he has no vision or creativeness. that lad shouldn't even be wearing a United shirt. I understand your De Gea argument but this one is completely wrong.

I admit Evans is average, he's not brilliant he's not bad.

Fellani doesn't suit are play, All i've seen of him this season is laziness or haven't seen him at all because he's injured. The player isn't worth 15m let alone 27m Moyes was smoking something when he made that signing, he's going to result to nothing like Anderson.

Just to let you know Welbeck is a front man not a Centre foward/Attack Mid and Fellani and Kagawa are never taking Rooney out that position they should have realized that before they came, and just because there OOP doesn't mean they should play pathetic, look a januzaj he's played OOP everygame and he always benefits United.

(sorry for the rant, got nothing against you just right into my footy)
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Posted on Sat Dec 28, 2013 17:42:43
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De gea is the best keeper in the league.

Clevery is getting so much stick not it's unreal, he's a decent player. Young has the talent just needs to wise up. I have never rated Nani. For every good game he has 4 awful games.

Evans is a quality centre back, getting better year on year. He had one of the greatest defensive performances this year when he man marked Ronaldo out of the Portugal-Northern Ireland game (1-1)

Fellani really needs to be played in a supporting striker role not the defensive midfielder(lazy/slow didn't you see him last year at Everton?)

Rooney, Kagawa and Fellani all play that role and no one is going to take Rooney out of that role. Hence Kags/wellbeck/Fellani being played OOP for most of the season.




Wow, De Gea isn't even close to the best keeper in the league. Do you remember when Ferguson was going to drop him because he made so many mistakes and saved with his feet so much? Krul, Hart, Vorm, Lloris, Szczesny, Mignolet are all better bro.

Cleverly good? wow i don't know what team your watching, he isn't a young lad anymore he's 24, nearly 25. and he's had 44 apps and only 4 goals. all he ever does is pass backwards because he has no vision or creativeness. that lad shouldn't even be wearing a United shirt. I understand your De Gea argument but this one is completely wrong.

I admit Evans is average, he's not brilliant he's not bad.

Fellani doesn't suit are play, All i've seen of him this season is laziness or haven't seen him at all because he's injured. The player isn't worth 15m let alone 27m Moyes was smoking something when he made that signing, he's going to result to nothing like Anderson.

Just to let you know Welbeck is a front man not a Centre foward/Attack Mid and Fellani and Kagawa are never taking Rooney out that position they should have realized that before they came, and just because there OOP doesn't mean they should play pathetic, look a januzaj he's played OOP everygame and he always benefits United.

(sorry for the rant, got nothing against you just right into my footy)
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Yes De Gea made some mistakes when he started, but for the last 15 months has been immense. Hart is the most overrated keeper in the league. Krul and Vorm are both good keepers, I agree. LLoris is fast of the line but lacks in shot stopping. No way Mignolet has been as good as de gea, look at that flap he made vs city that cost liverpool the game.

Wellbeck was excellent today. I never said clevery was amazing, I said he was a decent player. I don't think we can judge Fellani until he gets a few more games (27mill was an absolute joke fee though, they could have bought him out of his contract the month before for 24 and that still would have been too much). Kagawa is annoying, because it's obvious he has the ability, he just never seems to show it for prolonged periods.
Young has been really good the last few games too.

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Posted on Sat Dec 28, 2013 17:47:47
United have been far from brilliant this season, I actually thought they'd be up in the top 4 by this point.

The Kagawa situation is just baffling.
Cleverley isn't that great.
Hernandez need's more game time, he WILL score goals.

And you need to pray that Rooney stays fit and in form, your season is heavily relying on him at the moment.



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Posted on Sat Dec 28, 2013 17:51:18
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United have been far from brilliant this season, I actually thought they'd be up in the top 4 by this point.

The Kagawa situation is just baffling.
Cleverly isn't that great.
Hernandez need's more game time, he WILL score goals.

And you need to pray that Rooney stays fit and in form, your season is heavily relying on him at the moment.



Hernandez needs no game time if he's on his own up front. He can't play that role.

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Posted on Sat Dec 28, 2013 17:58:11
Paired with Welbeck (Who I personally think would be a better provider than goalscorer) I think it'd work well. This is all of course until you get Van Persie back.

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Posted on Sat Jan 04, 2014 23:26:52
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He's inherited a pretty bad squad (says a lot about the quality of the Premier League last season), and of course he deserves time, anyone who believes otherwise is a fool.


I disagree, a lot of people like to hate the squad atm. But Rooney is playing better than ever. Valencia and Young need to rediscover their form. Jannuzi is giving us some real width on the left, like a young ryan giggs.

Just need to replace anderson and Nani.

With Fletcher back, and hopefully carrick back soon we have a good backbone.

We need a world class centre mid. Someone like Mata and a backup replacement for Evra at left back. Then we'd have as good a first team as anyone.

As far as Moyes go, no rash decisions need to be made. The premier league is the most competitive it has been in years. As long we are there or there abouts of 4th spot I'll be happy.


Moyes biggest failure was not buying in the summer and then panic buying Fellaini.


Fair point about Rooney, he's been immense.

But what you've basically said in the rest of that, is that our complete midfield is a shambles .. Although I do think Valencia has already been much improved this season so far compared to lest


Nowhere near a complete shambles, just a few injuries.

I think Valencia Carrick fletcher/cleverly jannuzi is a great midfield


I'm saying it can be improved with a bit of flare but it's still a better midfield than liverpool



That is an absolute horrid tro of midfielders, your seriously saying its better than liverpools midfield- Henderson, coutinho, gerrard?

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Posted on Mon Jan 06, 2014 17:59:18
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He's inherited a pretty bad squad (says a lot about the quality of the Premier League last season), and of course he deserves time, anyone who believes otherwise is a fool.


I disagree, a lot of people like to hate the squad atm. But Rooney is playing better than ever. Valencia and Young need to rediscover their form. Jannuzi is giving us some real width on the left, like a young ryan giggs.

Just need to replace anderson and Nani.

With Fletcher back, and hopefully carrick back soon we have a good backbone.

We need a world class centre mid. Someone like Mata and a backup replacement for Evra at left back. Then we'd have as good a first team as anyone.

As far as Moyes go, no rash decisions need to be made. The premier league is the most competitive it has been in years. As long we are there or there abouts of 4th spot I'll be happy.


Moyes biggest failure was not buying in the summer and then panic buying Fellaini.


Fair point about Rooney, he's been immense.

But what you've basically said in the rest of that, is that our complete midfield is a shambles .. Although I do think Valencia has already been much improved this season so far compared to lest


Nowhere near a complete shambles, just a few injuries.

I think Valencia Carrick fletcher/cleverly jannuzi is a great midfield


I'm saying it can be improved with a bit of flare but it's still a better midfield than liverpool



That is an absolute horrid tro of midfielders, your seriously saying its better than liverpools midfield- Henderson, coutinho, gerrard?



I agree, Carrick is good. But cleverly is dreadful and Januzaj is un-experienced with huge pressure to perform, and Fletcher has just came back from injury and he's old.

If you think thats a strong mid field then you lack football knowledge.

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Posted on Mon Jan 06, 2014 18:22:11
As an outside observer from the USA, I will tell you my observations:

Moyes was middle of the table every year with Everton... Man U is middle of the table now. Moyes has turned Man U into Everton... at least for now.

Does he deserve to stay? Only if they have no one to replace him with.

I think Kagawa looks better at mid than the rest, but I haven't seen every match, tbh.

I also think Rooney should move to mid field. He runs himself ragged trying to be a forward and a defender as it is, so they should just have him run as an attacking mid fielder all the time.

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He's inherited a pretty bad squad (says a lot about the quality of the Premier League last season), and of course he deserves time, anyone who believes otherwise is a fool.


I disagree, a lot of people like to hate the squad atm. But Rooney is playing better than ever. Valencia and Young need to rediscover their form. Jannuzi is giving us some real width on the left, like a young ryan giggs.

Just need to replace anderson and Nani.

With Fletcher back, and hopefully carrick back soon we have a good backbone.

We need a world class centre mid. Someone like Mata and a backup replacement for Evra at left back. Then we'd have as good a first team as anyone.

As far as Moyes go, no rash decisions need to be made. The premier league is the most competitive it has been in years. As long we are there or there abouts of 4th spot I'll be happy.


Moyes biggest failure was not buying in the summer and then panic buying Fellaini.


Fair point about Rooney, he's been immense.

But what you've basically said in the rest of that, is that our complete midfield is a shambles .. Although I do think Valencia has already been much improved this season so far compared to lest


Nowhere near a complete shambles, just a few injuries.

I think Valencia Carrick fletcher/cleverly jannuzi is a great midfield


I'm saying it can be improved with a bit of flare but it's still a better midfield than liverpool



That is an absolute horrid tro of midfielders, your seriously saying its better than liverpools midfield- Henderson, coutinho, gerrard?



I agree, Carrick is good. But cleverly is dreadful and Januzaj is un-experienced with huge pressure to perform, and Fletcher has just came back from injury and he's old.

If you think thats a strong mid field then you lack football knowledge.


I think you are one of them people that listens too much to what the 'crowd' thinks. This is the team that won the league by 11 points last year. Is it one of the weaker midfields united have had in the last few years...yes...is it awful...no. The biggest problem is confidence. Most of uniteds players have the ability. Look at Kagawa for example, for dortmund he was one of the best players playing in germany for 2 years.

Atm we just need Ronney and RVP back to full fitness. Our 2 best players haven't been fully fit all season. That's a potential of 50-60 goals a season if they don't play.

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Posted on Mon Jan 06, 2014 20:52:05
Our midfield isn't 'awful', but certainly the teams we should be competing with are much superior in the middle of the park.

The obsession with a playmaker is one I don't really understand to be honest, think it would be much more beneficial to get in a decent box to box midfielder, because really, what we're lacking is the legs at the moment (Cleverley & Anderson don't even come close to cutting it in that department). So taking that into consideration, I really do believe Vidal would be PERFECT in our midfield, whether he would join us/Juventus would sell is another question entirely, but the midfield below looks great to me.

Carrick - Vidal
Valencia - Rooney - Januzaj

And before anyone mentions it, yes, Kagawa's out of that, I'm beginning to fall off that bandwagon




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Posted on Mon Jan 06, 2014 21:13:31
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He's inherited a pretty bad squad (says a lot about the quality of the Premier League last season), and of course he deserves time, anyone who believes otherwise is a fool.


I disagree, a lot of people like to hate the squad atm. But Rooney is playing better than ever. Valencia and Young need to rediscover their form. Jannuzi is giving us some real width on the left, like a young ryan giggs.

Just need to replace anderson and Nani.

With Fletcher back, and hopefully carrick back soon we have a good backbone.

We need a world class centre mid. Someone like Mata and a backup replacement for Evra at left back. Then we'd have as good a first team as anyone.

As far as Moyes go, no rash decisions need to be made. The premier league is the most competitive it has been in years. As long we are there or there abouts of 4th spot I'll be happy.


Moyes biggest failure was not buying in the summer and then panic buying Fellaini.


I agree, I would have saved my money instead of buying him. Not worthy of a place in the squad

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Posted on Mon Jan 06, 2014 21:53:35
"I'd also like to remind you that we've had bad times here. The club stood by me. All my staff stood by me. The players stood by me. So your job now is to stand by our new manager. That is important."
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Posted on Tue Jan 07, 2014 12:59:34
I disagree, Are mid-field has been weak since Scholes retired.

This would be a quick cheap solution, but Moyes bottles all the signings so i doubt it lol.

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Posted on Tue Jan 07, 2014 16:37:09
Jannuzi > valencia

Evans > Vidic > Jones


Reus, Koke and Contrao would likely be around 90 million all together, so not exactly cheap. Anderson shouldn't get near the bench. Swap him for Nani.

Reus and Koke won't leave in January though.

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Posted on Tue Jan 07, 2014 17:01:44
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Jannuzi > valencia

Evans > Vidic > Jones


Reus, Koke and Contrao would likely be around 90 million all together, so not exactly cheap. Anderson shouldn't get near the bench. Swap him for Nani.

Reus and Koke won't leave in January though.


Holy shit, have I just found someone who actually agrees with me that Evans is our best defender at the moment?

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Posted on Tue Jan 07, 2014 18:42:07
Nope Jones > Vidic & Evans.

and nah, sell Nani. could get a unice bit for him and he's useless.

Januzaj over Valencia? no way.

if his form stays like this i'll agree with that. but overall Valencia > Januzaj

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Posted on Tue Jan 07, 2014 18:57:05
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Nope Jones > Vidic & Evans.

and nah, sell Nani. could get a unice bit for him and he's useless.

Januzaj over Valencia? no way.

if his form stays like this i'll agree with that. but overall Valencia > Januzaj


But Valencia can't cross to save his life. It doesn't matter how good he is down the right if he can't cross it.

Jones never plays CB so i couldn't possibly judge that well but Evans has improved vastly over the years.

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Posted on Wed Jan 08, 2014 22:39:24
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Nope Jones > Vidic & Evans.

and nah, sell Nani. could get a unice bit for him and he's useless.

Januzaj over Valencia? no way.

if his form stays like this i'll agree with that. but overall Valencia > Januzaj


But Valencia can't cross to save his life. It doesn't matter how good he is down the right if he can't cross it.

Jones never plays CB so i couldn't possibly judge that well but Evans has improved vastly over the years.


Valencia can cross, he likes cutting in though.

he's fast and strong, IMO he's been one of united's best players this season.

And Jones has played CB a few times for United and he was decent, and it's his favorite position.

and i agree Evans is good but he's not spectacular, Jones and Evans CB would be decent considering Vidic isn't signing a new contract.

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