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Posted on Mon Feb 25, 2013 15:49:50
I went after The Sanchize because IN_COLD_BLOOD is a Jets fan. And there seems to be a correlation between fans of teams with shitty QBs who hate Brady the most... for example, you, Crow and ICB seem to hate him more than, say, Chit, Spazzy, and El.

Just funny that the harshest critics of Brady splitting a pair of back to back Conference Title Games are the same ones who are defending to their last breath a QB who had a better season than they expected at 8-8, missed the playoffs and feel they will regress this upcoming year

Or am I just starting shit for no reason, again?

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Posted on Mon Feb 25, 2013 19:51:15
All baiting aside though, interesting news coming out of Foxboro about the Patriots over the past couple days...

it appears the Pats are actually in a good salary cap position, and only have one player, Brady at $21m, that is taking up a real significant chunk; even with Brady, the Pats still have about $18-$19m in free cap space. Now, this is where things get interesting, as Brady has restructured his contract before to allow for more cap space on the Patriots. For example, last year he did this and saved the patriots about $8m in cap space. As of right now, Brady has two years left on his contract (expiring at the end of '14), but there are rumors of a deal that would extend his contract to allow him to retire as a Patriot, as owner Kraft has said recently. So, if Brady does get the extension, and there's really no reason to think this is unlikely, he can do what he's done in the past; sign the big deal and then restructure his contract to push his big cap hits back towards the final few years.

So, this means the Pats could possibly have around $26m-$28m in cap space, assuming they save around another $8m again from this, which would put them in EXCELLENT condition to make some big moves. Most notably, there is another rumor going around that the Pats are close to signing Welker to $8m/yr for five years. He was already making $9.5m last season, so they'd actually shave off some MORE cap space from last year, while also giving him the long term deal he wants. If we do get those two deals done, then that opens up the door for the Pats to tag Aqib Talib, which makes PERFECT sense! That would cost the team about $10.5m for the one year, which they can absolutely afford, and will give Talib to show he can play a full season and stay healthy, or if he doesn't then the Pats just lose one year and still have cap space.

Even if we do all three of those moves, that would still leave PLENTY of room to resign WR Edelman, CB Arrington and our RT Vollmer, with STILL some money left to spare! Maybe then go out and sign another veteran WR to compensate for Branch probably either retiring or coming back in an extremely limited role, and use our draft picks on defense. I think the Pats have a pretty decent core group of players who have now all played together for 2-3 seasons at just about every key position, and are only a few small moves away from a Super Bowl Championship.

And seeing as we seemingly are in pretty good cap position, it seems entirely practical that all those moves could get done and we could bring back virtually the entire starting roster from the 2011-2012 teams that had back to back AFC games and a Super Bowl appearance, AND improve on it! Is is September yet!?!?!

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Posted on Mon Feb 25, 2013 21:54:10
3 years 27 million for Brady. I have to admit, as much hell as I give him, he will take one for the team money wise to keep/get talent in NE to try and win. Win Brees is making 20+ million a year and hasn't had any success as of late, and Brady takes a pay cut like that 2 years removed from a Super Bowl appearance, I do have to give him props for that.

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Posted on Mon Feb 25, 2013 23:49:57
That's why I couldn't care less when people like to hate on Brady. Keep hating, this guy loves the game, loves his team and wants to win. I love it. Lets see if Flacco takes less for the ravens or how they shape out. Flacco might kill them next season with his cap hit or lose him to FA

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Posted on Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:05:28
oh yea? D-ware on cowboys does that as well

oh, and on nfl network they were talking about this....turns out he isnt as much of a "team player" you think. He accepted the deal because it gives him 50mil extra guaranteed.

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Posted on Tue Feb 26, 2013 14:45:09
I'm not saying he's getting paid less, and an extra 50mol over an extra 3 years is about right for that positions best. but he's letting the team pay him in different ways and willing to restructure it so give the team cap space, unlike many other players do who want all their money right now, guaranteed and hold out for 6 weeks until they get paid.

Either way, this off season is starting to feel like the 07 one.... I don't k is, im having a good feeling about this.

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Posted on Tue Feb 26, 2013 22:03:33
And not to mention, Peyton Manning just signed a 5 year, $96mil contract with Denver just last season, being almost 2 years older than Brady... so hmm... a 36 year old Peyton who was about to turn 37 in that following off-season, coming off major neck surgery that cancelled his entire 2012 pre-season and season got signed for about $20m a pop for 5 years until he's going to be 41 when his contract expires.... Brady would have been 37 after the '14 season, (only a few months older than Peyton was at his big signing) and could have potentially had teams throwing him $20m as well for another 4-5 years. Instead, Brady chose to sign himself through '17, when he'll be 40, and pretty much missed out on his real chance at cashing in on a big deal. Could have forced the Patriots to sign him to big money down the road to avoid his free agency, forced the Pats to tag him at probably over $20m a year by then or walked away from the Pats/forced them to trade him. Instead, he allowed them to work his deal around in a way that helps the team and neglected the opportunity to cash in down the road. Team player, in other words.

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Posted on Wed Feb 27, 2013 02:09:01
did i ever say manning was a team player when it came to money? if i did i dont rememeber and must have been drunk of something really good.

But to add onto your little rant about how much better brady is you forgot the biggest clause in that contract....he has to pass a physical in order to get his money.....so really he did the team a favor, he gave them a chance to get a great QB for no cons....since if he doesnt pass his physical he gets no money and, which doesnt make an impact on the cap....

But i will hold my tongue on his new deal in order to let you live this moment up.

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Posted on Wed Feb 27, 2013 02:31:20
I'm not saying Brady is taking less money, it's just all restructured. And Brady still left A LOT of money on the table in two years, as he's not going to get the big deal that Peyton Manning got, or even Favre signing a $16m deal at 41 years old. If brady played out his existing contract, didn't let them rework it and then hit the market in 2014, he'd be getting offered $25m/yr for probably 4-5 years easily, by some dumb team that will overpay for an aging star, and the Pats would lose at least two good more years out of Brady because some teams can't control they're spending and don't mind, or don't understand, that they'd be screwed by the cap in the final years of that deal. How many times have we seen that, in how many sports? Brady probably just inked a deal that would give him more money than he would have made with his new contract, but FAR less money than he would have made if he played it all out.

Basically... the opposite of what Welker did. He had an expiring contract in the 2011 season and decided he didn't want to extend it with the team, which left the team wondering if they should trade him, tag him or fork up the massive money he was going to get on the market. They had to tag him and still had to deal with possibly trading him or losing him the next season, because Welker wanted the long term deal for big bucks and refused to re-work anything, extend his contract or really do anything other than just play out his time and see what happened. Now that Brady as decided to be more flexible, Welker can be signed without us having to worry about losing him.

See the difference?

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Posted on Thu Feb 28, 2013 18:33:47
but you keep talking about how he is helping the team by doing this, i guess you dont see what will happen. Brady keeps pushing his big hit back right? So at the end of his contract he will get the biggest part of his money (which means he will have his biggest impact then) at a time where he is going to be just another past his prime older then dirt football QB. Sorry, but i DONT see how that is helping the team...I do appreciate the fact his isnt like most money grabbing stars and is willing to work with the team for the better, but when it all comes to an end he will get his money which will hurt the team since it will be at a time that he just isnt worth it.

and once again, you bring up manning and his big contract, but you keep forgetting it isnt guaranteed money due to the fact if he doesnt pass his physical he doesn't get paid. So if he isnt able to perform the way they expect him to, he doesnt get his money....thats a win/win imho for broncos.

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Posted on Thu Feb 28, 2013 18:56:48
It's helping the team because he just eliminated any chance of him ever signing a big fat contract before his career is over. Did you see what I wrote? Look what Favre and Manning got paid, about the same age as Brady would have been in 2014 when is contract ended. Could have signed for EASILY 20m+ a year for 4-5 years from 2014-19, as opposed to averaging $15m a year until 2017 and probably not getting a big deal when he's over 40 by then. Didnt hold the team hostage, and there's PLENTY of players in the league who just care about their money and less about titles.

The biggest impact is the money that Brady sacrificed at the end of his career by extending his contract beyond age 40 at the same pay he has now. I'm sure Flacco and Eli manning will be making more than Brady and probably even other lesser QBs. Look at Brees, his team could use some defense and better offnsive players, but what deal did be give the saints?

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Posted on Thu Feb 28, 2013 23:01:57
"Monetary Value" of a top tier NFL QB raises so much from one year to the next nowadays that there will almost always be a new top paid guy as a contract runs out. It was a classy gesture by Brady, there's no question about that. But lets get real here, Tom Brady isn't an innercity thug turned NFL star. I don't reckon it is gonna hurt his lifestyle any by restructuring his contract.

As far as Flacco goes, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Whether Flacco wants it or not, Ozzie isn't gonna ruin his work of art by handicapping the rest of the team by signing Flacco to more money than they can afford. And you better bet your ass that Ozzie Newsome has Steve Bisciotti's ear more than anyone else about where to spend his money in regards to the Baltimore Ravens.

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Posted on Fri Mar 01, 2013 04:26:44
6 Cowboys starters "pulling a Brady" now. Ware, Carr, Witten, Austin, Cook and Livings all rework their deals to help us out in a year we sit 20M over cap.

[url]http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/8999047/jason-witten-joins-demarcus-ware-dallas-cowboys-reworking-deal-source[/url]

Not like it's gonna help at all, but still.

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Posted on Fri Mar 01, 2013 15:44:42
I've been hearing a lot of rumors about the patriots possibly being interested in signing Dwayne Bowe, and the more I hear it the more it makes sense. Scott Pioli was fired from the Chiefs, and obviously has a very good relationship with Belichick and would have good insight on Bowe. Also, Matt Cassel is a New England product that started a season for the Patriots when Brady went down, to refresh your memories, and then played under both Pioli and Crennel; both former Patriot coaches. there's been a lot of issues about WRs being able to perform in the Patriot offense, as there is a very long list of players who have failed badly at it, and even a guy like Brandon Lloyd who seemingly fit the system while playing under McDaniels struggled to look great, maybe Bowe will have a little more familiarity with the offense. I think signing a good WR isn't a bad idea for this team, but I don't know if it's worth committing anything more than barely more than what he made last year with KC.

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Posted on Sat Mar 02, 2013 03:43:17
not sure if yall will get bowe thanks to smith now boss.

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Posted on Sun Mar 03, 2013 00:44:58
Well, Bowe is a free agent, and KC may not be able to afford to pay him. Remember, Patriots may be spending this year. Also, the Patritos have the very attractive possibility of contending for Super Bowls... as opposed to staying in KC and trying to win 5 games each season.

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Posted on Mon Mar 04, 2013 02:32:41
yea but im sure KC will do w/e they can (including tag) to keep him at least 1 more year.

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Posted on Mon Mar 04, 2013 02:35:49
Tagging him would probably be the only option right now, but there's not a lot going good in KC right now, and they're in the midst of big coaching changes and having a pretty piss poor roster and their biggest signing so far this off-season is a QB that lost his job to first year starter, despite the fact he took that same team to the NFC title game a season ago, with unimpressive stats.

I think if Bowe hit the market officially and the Pats sent him an offer, he would take it.

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Posted on Mon Mar 04, 2013 19:22:51
Alex Smith is a decent QB.....only reason kaepernick(most likely misspelled) got to keep the starting job is because he was hot. It had nothing (in my opinion) to do with him being better (because in my opinion he isnt, and the niners will regret trading him)

But thats just me, i guess we will see.

But KC will have to keep bowe or picking up smith wont mean diddly squat since he will have no weapons to throw to.

So KC letting bowe walk just makes no sense at all to me

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Posted on Mon Mar 04, 2013 19:50:35
I guess I just feel differently about Smith than you. He's really not that great and never has put up good stats. he was just playing with the league's best defense during his playoff success, and still did lose his starting job. The problem with KC was that they had an absolutely terrible QB situation, with Cassel being a total bust and suffering injuries last year and no other legit backup. They sort of HAD to do something otherwise they may have ended up giving the '08 Lions some relief. I don't think them getting Smith is their idea of turning the team around to contend... they're probably more than happy to look like they're trying while sucking again this year and getting another high draft pick and about to flat out rebuild. What does KC have to play for? I don't see thems igning Smith as anything other than filling a hole on the team that just couldn't be overlooked.

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Posted on Mon Mar 04, 2013 22:37:29
by decent bosox, im talking about he can win games. He wont be like Sanchez, garrard, Cassel, Kolb, vick and the list goes on and on with QB's who just throw the game away their self thanks to turnovers and just piss poor decisions.
Smith has also been making decent progress the last year or so with his abilities, now if he can continue the progress with a new QB coach is to be seen, but i hope he does.

the reason i think niners will regret trading him is, all they have left is a guy who can run the ball damn well and throw decent...or at least when he can run he can throw (which we seen in the Superbowl, stop him from running and he panics)

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Posted on Mon Mar 04, 2013 23:25:41
Kaepernick I think will be ok in the league. He has a pretty good arm as well, not just running ability. But looks like Bowe didn't get tagged, and KC resigned him for five years I think. Oh well, I guess KC is preparing for the next few years already, because they aren't contending for anything this next season.

Interestingly enough, Patriots didn't tag anyone... now this really throws me off and has me thinking suddenly we're NOT bringing back Welker, Talib, Vollmer, Edelman, etc. and that maybe we're looking to sign a few of our FA's and look to be really big spenders in the off-season elsewhere.

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Posted on Mon Mar 04, 2013 23:59:30
i have a feeling welker is going to kill your cap tho...so yall might actually regret not tagging him. the rest i dont think they will really ask to much more then they are worth. But then again, i havnt really kept up or been informed of the rest and their attitude when it comes to being resigned. (you informed me and i looked it up, welker can be a money grabbing whore)

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Posted on Tue Mar 05, 2013 00:03:03
Patriots aren't going to sign him for $10m+ a year though. So if that's what he wants, then he's walking. The $8m per is a good number and actually cheaper than what he made last year, so that's manageable. But there's one thing the Pats don't do and that's OVER pay... so I trust them to not screw all our free cap space into a bad deal.

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Posted on Tue Mar 05, 2013 00:26:38
if yall dont have another guy to take his spot tho....as i said i dont know, i just see whats happening and the trend as of late with players and teams and assume.

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Posted on Tue Mar 05, 2013 00:37:54
There are a lot of free agent WRs this season though. And I'm also starting to really question how valuable Welker is to the Patriots.... I've heard it said 100 times that Welker is more valuable to NE than he is to other teams, and I'm starting to see why that may be true. Sure, he gets lots of catches and fits perfectly in this system.... but at what point do we all accept Welker is simply a slot WR who while he takes advantage of catching passes from one of the best QBs of all time and racks up yards.... he doesn't score many TDs. In his six full seasons here, he's caught 37 TDs, which averages out to about 6 per season almost on the dot. Not bad at all, especially adding in his yards, but.... 6 TD a year isn't irreplaceable. There have been guys on the past few Pats teams who have been catching 12-20 TDs pretty regularly... and I know that not everyone can have 15 TDs a year... but for someone as talented as Welker is, and who CONSTANTLY gets thrown to and racks up 1,000 yards by Week 10 most seasons..... what is the explanation of why he can't find the endzone OR why does Brady keep throwing to him so much if we DO have guys who can score 15 TDs a year on the team already?

I heard it until I was almost BORED of the topic that Moss "opens up the defense" with his deep threat, and after we got rid of him people thought Brady was done with throwing TDs and it'd be dink and dunk forever.... yet, Growkowski has come along and has caught 38 TDs in his three years here (missing 5 games last season), and Hernandez has caught 18 in his three, which is just about the same level of production as Welker, yet Hernandez has only played in 14, 14, and 10 games in his three seasons so far. Hell, even Brandon Lloyd, a player many people consider a bust in NE, put up 900+ YD and 4 TD, as the last option at WR...

So while I do love Welker, and he does have value... I'm not sure if he's worth $10-$12m per year.... at $8m a year over a couple seasons, sure, but anything more than that and I think we're overpaying.

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Posted on Tue Mar 05, 2013 00:44:35
problem is, what does brady think.....brady/welker is much like romo/witten, brady knows where welker is going to be period. If he feels pressure he knows turn and throw to welker. That is his baby blanket and pacifier rolled into 1.

But as you have said, pats dont overpay...so brady might just lose his comfort and will have to find a different guy. It might be Growkowsk or it might be Hernandez or it could be somebody not even on the field yet.

But if its gronk or hernandez, he better be carful and not let them get hurt again.

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Posted on Tue Mar 05, 2013 00:49:01
The only problem working against Welker with the security blanket is... Welker now has two drops in a Super Bowl and a possibly game changing AFC Title drop that very realistically cost the team at least 1 championship. If the guy is going to make his bread and butter on being the security blanket and Brady's go to guy replacing Deion Branch... then it just looks really bad having those two drops on his recent resume.

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Posted on Tue Mar 05, 2013 00:53:32
oh i agree 100% with you there, but im sure brady still feels like he is his man. (granted he came from the same gene pool as romo when it comes to clutch time)

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Posted on Tue Mar 05, 2013 00:57:28
Either way, this makes everything interesting now. I thought FOR SURE Talib was getting tagged and there are lots of rumors going around that Welker is close to signing with the Pats.... So who knows.... but I still think the Pats are on the verge of doing big things this off-season. I'm going to be paying close attention to who we sign before other teams get the chance to offer them. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we resign Edelman before Welker, because he may be more attractive to other teams (though cheaper, would maybe be harder sought after), and maybe they let Welker go to market and see that most teams aren't willing to pay him the money he wants because he's just not an incredible WR.

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