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Posted on Fri Dec 06, 2013 07:17:16
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Don't know why people are so sold on Denver. For one, the Patriots terrible defense was able to almost shut them out for the entire second half of the game. That's concerning. Also, both of their losses have come against playoff teams. And I just don't trust Manning in the cold in the playoffs. And he's going to have to do that if he wants to win, sooner or later.

As for SF, you guys are averaging 14.5 points a game over the past 5 weeks, and that's absolutely horrible. I don't care if half your roster is missing, 14.5 PPG is BAD to average for about 1/3 of the season. As with Denver, all four of your losses have come against SEA, CAR, NO and IND--all four playoff teams. And judging by how badly SEA beat you guys last time, and how badly SEA just beat NO last week, I can;t see the 49ers pulling out a victory this week either.

As for the Patriots, I don;t think they're particularly good this year, but there aren't a whole lot of good teams. The league isn't stacked this season. Denver is very good, but just looking at Peyton's career and history, it's hard to believe he will keep up this pace into the post-season and in games outdoors. For as "good" as Denver played in the game against the Patriots, Manning was borderline bad and relied on his defense doing most of the work, and when he was forced to do something in the second half, he was unable to muster anything other than a FG to tie the game and then lost in OT when handed the ball to start. I see no reason why the Patriots, either in Denver on Foxboro, shouldn't be able to beat them twice this year.

And if you want to talk about an offense getting healthy, NE is right up there in that category. With Vereen now looking to be fully involved in the offense now, Gronkowski back to his usual unstoppable 100+ yards games, and Amendola on the field, this Patriots team is very different than the early season one was. And, though I don't like to talk about refs, there were two pretty controversial last second/OT calls/non-calls that are separating them from being 11-1 or 9-3.



Don't try to knock your own team to try and prove a point. You know and I know the pats defense is very underrated - I am a super fantasy sports addict... that's how i win my beer money every week...Denver probably will be go to super bowl, it will be patriots vs broncos in afc championship, unless someone knocks off pats first...

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Posted on Sat Dec 07, 2013 02:14:40
Lol now I can't say bad things about my team? What is it, if I praise my team I'm a homer, if I point out flaws it's still.. me being a homer?

The Patriots, going into the year, had a pretty decent defense that was underrated. But with Mayo and Wilfork out, we can't stop the run. Our pass defense hasn't been good (and has been historically bad) for the past few years, but with Talib and Arrington it looked like we could be ok, until Talib has been battling injuries and missing games, forcing Arrington out of the slot, where he can get exposed. And other than those two, there's not a whole lot of peopek in the secondary who I trust. So once you subtract the TD scored by Denver's defense, add in the fact Denver got the ball on two straight extra possessions due to their defense, consider the fact their offense was mostly running AND THEN add in the fact they were almost entirely shut out in the second half, and you can see some concerns. Manning went 2/1 TD/INT on 52% for 150 yards which is pretty pedestrian for any QB, let alone for Manning and the type of year he is having. This is not the 2003 NE defense, and even IF the Patriots defense was slightly underrated this year, is it good enough to be able to consistently hold Manning to those numbers? No way. That was just Manning not being able to play in the cold,, on the road in Foxboro, with Belichick knowing how to out-coach him after playing him now 14 times and almost always getting the better.

But can I ask WHY is it such a lock that Denver goes to the SB? Have we not seen this before from Manning? This is, let's remember, the same Manning who has LOST his first playoff game EIGHT out of his 12 appearances, or, in other words, he is one and done 67% of the time. His record in those years he was 0-fer? 95-33 (or .742).

As compared to the Patriots under Tom Brady, where only twice out of the 10 times (20%) has he gone 0-fer, five of them to the Super Bowl and 7 of them to the AFC Championship game.

So, again, please tell me why it's the Patriots who you are saying "unless someone knocks them off first?" Because as far as history says (including Manning with the same team LAST season and Brady with the same team LAST season shows), you should be saying "it will be DEN vs NE in the title game unless DENVER gets knocked off"

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Posted on Sat Dec 07, 2013 02:43:25
Our starter roster is only missing one person...Uipati. A loss but not a huge one. Staley is gonna start despite the sprained ligament.

Our defense is still bad ass and will keep the Shehawks from leaving eggs in the endzone (Dammit, Sharks just lost).

It was around this time last year that Kaep was kicking enemy ass. I remember because I bought a Kaepernick jersey on Thanksgiving day last year.

We'll lose to Seattle in the NFC Championship. Only because it will be a Seadderol home game.

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Posted on Sat Dec 07, 2013 02:58:18
Well Kaepernick also benefited greatly from the league not quite catching up with the running QB "threat." He was hot, he was making plays and, oh yeah, he was completing 62% of his passes and had a very good TD/INT. This year, he's not having the same success passing and running is just not as effective as it was the past few years. The QBs who were having lots of success running were forced to start throwing more, and the ones who can throw (Willson, Newton) are having success and the ones that can't are not looking as good as they once were or are no longer starting (Vick, Tebow, Kapernick).

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Posted on Sat Dec 07, 2013 04:02:38
We should still benefit from that now. Let Kaep call the plays and he has so many choices when the ball snaps who is the d supposed to cover?

My favorite play is when he fakes the hand off to Gore then throws it to him.

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Posted on Sat Dec 07, 2013 05:08:53
Most powerful offenses have many options. SF doesn't have anything that most defenses haven't seen. And whole gimmick college "read option" offense is quickly going out of style, and the whole confusion over who to cover is going the way of the "Wild Cat." Let's break it down here though. You guys have Gore who is solid, but just a 1,000 yard rusher--nothing overly special or dangerous about him. Boldin is good, but again he's no top 5 WR, and for TE you have Davis who is, again, solid and effective but he's not something defenses have to lose sleep over. Altogether you guys have a good offense, but it's not like we're talking about the Denver Broncos of this year or New England Patriots of 07.

I think SF's window is closing fast, maybe already closed. Seattle is now the top dog in the division. It wont officially be proven until the playoffs, because you guys are reigning NFC champs, but you certainly haven't been playing like it lately. Or, well, I guess actually you have seeing as reigning conference champs don't typically play too well the following year.

But teams aren't scared of SF anymore. Defenses have figured out the read option/gimmick sets, and it's showing.

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Posted on Sun Dec 08, 2013 03:38:29
Here's a bet I hope to lose...

You have placed your bet of $46,091,808 on Seahawks to win AND Over 41.5 points.

I really, really hope that Marshawn Lynch sprains his ankle on the the first play and is out for the whole game.

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Posted on Mon Dec 09, 2013 03:17:26
Well, I think I'm all but ready to call the Patriots hopes of making noise this year over. Losing Gronkowski will be too much for this team to overcome. This is really too bad the past few years with Gronkowski. If only him and Hernandez could have stayed on the field together healthy, who knows what those two could have done. But the offense is just not good this year. It's been starting horribly slow for about 4 weeks now, and while I know they have been coming back, I don't think that's a winning formula for the playoffs. Unless something crazy happens, and the healthy guys on offense start to really break out, the AFC Championship game is about the highest hopes I could have for this team, if we get the bye. If we don't get the bye, then probably Divisional Round we'll be out.

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Posted on Mon Dec 09, 2013 08:47:02
You know u guys got lucky as f**k with that horrific pass interference call at the end. I know you can't see it s bullshit like the rest of us but u know deep down it was a bad call, honestly they shouldn't have had to come back in first place - it's the f*ckin browns smh lol. You guys are done without gronk, no chance at super bowl... thought i didnt think u had one before. It was a cheap hit though, i hate when players lead with the helmet period, you Are taught at a young age to lead with your shoulder, people are just dirty players... i hate that excuse - well u can't go for head....smh, u hit em hard as f**k between the numbers or waist.

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Posted on Mon Dec 09, 2013 23:38:51
The PI call was questionable, but there was definitely holding or illegal contact after the 5 yards. They should have just called holding or the illegal contact for 5 yard penalty and repeat the down, instead of having the killer PI one called. But, to be fair, there was a terrible whistle for forward progress that negated a clean Patriots fumble recovery in the red zone to start the game. So it goes both ways with officials, almost always, which is why I don't usually talk about them unless it's just a horrible game/season changing call.

And yeah, of course we shouldn't have to come back against Cleveland, and it's very worrying that we've been outscored by like 41 points in the first halves of the past few games. There's no making excuses about that, and I did say we weren't that good on defense and our offense was sub par this year, to which you told me not to bash my own team. As of right now, I don't see the Patriots as Super Bowl contenders, but they'll win the division and have a chance still at holding onto that bye. Absolute worst is they finish the 3rd seed, but I'd probably rather not play BAL; their defense plays us tough as it is, let alone with this year's offense haha. But CIN chasing us has PIT, MIN, BAL to close out the year, whereas we have MIA, BAL, BUF, so there's a decent chance we keep that 2 seed locked up. And if that's the case, depending on who we play, we could maybe beat CIN (since the time we played them this year was already without much of our healthy offense and it wasn't a blowout loss), and KC doesn't really scare me. The Colts I normally wouldn't be scared of, but our offense may not be able to keep pace, so I'm worried about that. And then there's DEN who will obviously be a pretty big challenge to beat without Gronkowski.

But I don't know, the AFC really isn;t very good this year. It wouldn't surprise me if the Pats do win a playoff game, and that might be enough to send the, to the AFC game, and maybe if there are upsets in the first few rounds, which there often are, I wouldn't say CIN, KC or IND would be super heavy favorites against NE.

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Posted on Tue Dec 10, 2013 04:06:49
Seahawks aren't as good when the refs actually call the penalties they are committing on a regular basis. Their DBs mug people and get away with it for the most part. If the calls are tighter in the playoffs Seattle is gonna hurt.

The 9'ers are pretty solid. While they lack some of the flash other teams have their weakest points are stronger than almost every other team. Also you cant measure their heart with stats.

NE and Denver will most likely play for the AFC. Gronk is out and NE isn't the same team with him. Their defense isn't championship grade so the Broncos will most likely beat them. The only other team that poses a threat is the Chiefs but I think they lack big game experience.





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Posted on Tue Dec 10, 2013 04:14:13
so much for even having a chance...damn cowboys cant even pick on the 2nd weakest D.....

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Posted on Tue Dec 10, 2013 05:48:27
If anything, the refs will swallow their whistles more in the playoffs. But Seattle's D is as good as advertised. They probably get the benefit of some calls, but the great defenses usually do. And I'd honestly rather see less questionable/borderline defensive penalties called. They will be a very tough out these playoffs.

And I hate to say it again, but Romo has once again let the Cowboys down. This loss really hurts their playoff chances, and Romo looked like garbage for most of the game. I see he had his 3 TDs and no INTs, but he was held to like 70 yards into the 3rd quarter, and some of those points came late when CHI was up 42-14. I know the defense didn't look good for Dallas, but, as you pointed out, you shouldn't have had too much troubles scoring on one of the league's worst defenses. Looks like Dallas is now heading right for yet another .500 season with a late loss that sealed their fate. I don't know how much longer Dallas fans can put up with that and defend it anymore. Dallas has been marred with mediocrity for nearly 20 years now.

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Posted on Tue Dec 10, 2013 09:45:18
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If anything, the refs will swallow their whistles more in the playoffs. But Seattle's D is as good as advertised. They probably get the benefit of some calls, but the great defenses usually do. And I'd honestly rather see less questionable/borderline defensive penalties called. They will be a very tough out these playoffs.

And I hate to say it again, but Romo has once again let the Cowboys down. This loss really hurts their playoff chances, and Romo looked like garbage for most of the game. I see he had his 3 TDs and no INTs, but he was held to like 70 yards into the 3rd quarter, and some of those points came late when CHI was up 42-14. I know the defense didn't look good for Dallas, but, as you pointed out, you shouldn't have had too much troubles scoring on one of the league's worst defenses. Looks like Dallas is now heading right for yet another .500 season with a late loss that sealed their fate. I don't know how much longer Dallas fans can put up with that and defend it anymore. Dallas has been marred with mediocrity for nearly 20 years now.


im a huge dallas fan. have been since I was a kid and dorsett, danny and randy white, too tall jones, Michael downs, everson walls played. im even anti Romo, I think he chokes when it counts.

all that said, this game wasn't Romo's fault. the defense was terrible. when a QB doesn't 'make up' for the defense you don't blame the QB. you blame the defense.

I blame Jerry Jones. his lack of talent for getting good players and coaches is their downfall. their play calling is so complex that at times Romo is the only one who gets what is going on. you get players in bad positions, or running the wrong routes or missing blocking assignments etc. now you can blame the players for not getting it right but ill blame the coaches for not using their players right. it showed up in this game. Murray was an outlet and was in the wrong spot and it went for an incompletion. there was a huge open area where he should have been.

one drive was a stuffed run and 2 dropped passes. that sounds like OL + RB + WR to me. not romo.

again, I don't support Romo, but half the problem with the 'boys is not placing the blame where it should be. until Jerry just becomes an owner and hires people to run his team, I see little being improved on outside of getting lucky.

about the Seahawks:
Their front 7 is only good because they cheat up with Safeties making it 8 usually in the box. cant run against that. they get away with that because of the muggings they get away with. im not talking about a few calls here and there. next game watch how much jersey pulling, grabbing, holding they get away with on receivers other teams don't get away with. seriously. refs always miss calls in games but the amount Seattle gets away with is beyond normal. the commentators even mentioned how the Seahawks gameplan is to challenge the refs to make those calls because its how they play, and how it usually works out in their favor. take that away, and Brady or Manning will torch them all day.



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Posted on Tue Dec 10, 2013 20:55:28
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If anything, the refs will swallow their whistles more in the playoffs. But Seattle's D is as good as advertised. They probably get the benefit of some calls, but the great defenses usually do. And I'd honestly rather see less questionable/borderline defensive penalties called. They will be a very tough out these playoffs.

And I hate to say it again, but Romo has once again let the Cowboys down. This loss really hurts their playoff chances, and Romo looked like garbage for most of the game. I see he had his 3 TDs and no INTs, but he was held to like 70 yards into the 3rd quarter, and some of those points came late when CHI was up 42-14. I know the defense didn't look good for Dallas, but, as you pointed out, you shouldn't have had too much troubles scoring on one of the league's worst defenses. Looks like Dallas is now heading right for yet another .500 season with a late loss that sealed their fate. I don't know how much longer Dallas fans can put up with that and defend it anymore. Dallas has been marred with mediocrity for nearly 20 years now.


usually id argue with you...but this was one of the worest D in many many years....21 points should have been easy for romo cold or not.... (he grew up where it was cold for goodness sakes...)

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Posted on Wed Dec 11, 2013 05:14:22
Oh god, again with the "this isn't Romo's fault" line. I swear, eventually there will be a loss that is Romo's fault haha.

How is it not his fault? He had 70 yards passing midway into the 3rd quarter. Sure, he had the 3 passing TDs, of which at least 1 came in absolute garbage time when they were down by nearly 30 points in the 4th. In this day and age, you CANNOT complete 11 passes for 104 yards and say it's not your fault. Romo is supposed to be an top 5 QB, right? So he has to play like it. He can't play good sometimes and bad others if he wants to be top 5, like everyone claims. And you're blaming Murray? If not for Murray, Dallas would have probably been shut out! He had 146 yards rushing (and 2 receptions for 9 yards as well). That's about triple the output that anyone else on the team had, and almost 60 more yards than Romo accounted for. So please, don't try to put this somehow on one bad play by Murray when Romo sucked for almost all of the game other than garbage time.

And, as even Luke has admitted, this is not the Bears we're used to. This is a terrible Bears defense that Romo, with the offensive guys around him, should have been able to torch. He should have been able to throw for 250 YD, 3 TD for 65% easily against these guys, yet instead he barely was able to move the ball other than by handing it off to Murray.

Again, to give some perspective, Tom Brady is regarded as having a pretty average or poor year. Yet he still has about 400 more passing yards than Romo, and 6 less TDs with an offense that hasn't had even 75% of it's starters for the entire season. Yet somehow it's all on Brady (which it is) but it's not on Romo?

One of these years Romo fans are going to have to call Romo a grown boy. Rodgers won a Super Bowl with 90% of his starting lineup on IR. Brees and Peyton won a Super Bowl with pretty shitty defenses. Flacco never puts up crazy stats, but he became great in the playoffs and led his team to a SB. Brady has had historically bad defenses for pretty much the past 6 years, and he's taken the team to a Super Bowl and a few AFC Championship games lately.

If we want to call Romo a top 5 QB, he needs to play like Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Peyton. Until then' he's no different than Riviers, Dalton, Schuabb or any other QB who looks good all year until it matters.

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Posted on Wed Dec 11, 2013 05:19:31
By Tolshortte [648554]the commentators even mentioned how the Seahawks gameplan is to challenge the refs to make those calls because its how they play, and how it usually works out in their favor. take that away, and Brady or Manning will torch them all day.


Just saw this, and you're right. Like I said, good defenses play on the edge and get the benefit of the doubt. Belichick, for one, has been on record as deliberately telling his defense to commit penalties at times. Once in Super Bowl 36 when he is filmed quite clearly telling his defensive line to flat out hold on every single play, to his Football Life special by NFL Films released a year ago telling his players to try and get an early jump if it's 1st and goal on the 1 yard line and whatnot, because the penalty is negligible. That's what good defenses and good coaches do.

Not that I like Carrol, or think he's a good coach. He just happens to have a great defense and can allow them to play physical.

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Posted on Wed Dec 11, 2013 08:17:45
I guess you missed the whole, im not a Romo fan part lol.

I don't think Romo will ever win the big game, ever. But you cant blame everything on Romo.

it doesn't really matter to me at all. If you want to hate on Romo go ahead. but be clear, I never said he was a top 5 QB because I don't think he is one. I just said 'this game' wasn't his fault.

I wasn't blaming murray, I made an example. I blamed the coaches specifically, and will continue to do so. And Jerry Jones of course.





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Posted on Wed Dec 11, 2013 23:40:32
I'm not saying you are or aren't a fan, but I'm saying you can't not put blame on Romo on this one.

Dallas' problems aren't entirely due to Romo; Jones needs to back down from responsibilities and get a real GM, the coaching could be better, the defense hasn't been great, but Romo is just as much of a problem as all of those factors. And last game was another perfect example of that. Sure, the team, as a whole, didn't play well. The defense allowed a lot of points to a not so great team, Murray may have had a blunder but Murray also put up over 150 yards of offense so I don't know how you can make an examlpe of him, yet excuse Romo who put up less total offense than he did as the QB.

In 2013, a QB throwing for 104 yards in anything less than an absolute blizzard or downpour is pathetic. Add the facts he did it in December, in a playoff race, after he has an entire career of other instances of losing big games, eventually we are going to all have to point the finger at him. The only way we wouldn't would be if we all agreed that he was just a bad QB and we have no expectations of him. Otherwise, we have to put a lot of the blame on him for this, and all of the other losses like this in similar situations over the years.

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Posted on Fri Dec 13, 2013 02:42:25
i still say his is a top 5 just because stats back it up. But he needs to learn how to play in the cold...get some hot hands or something.

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Posted on Fri Dec 13, 2013 05:04:20
Romo is maybe a top 5 fantasy QB (most weeks haha) but not top 5 real life. Maybe overall, his entire career, he's been mostly consistent and has good stats but in any given year, there are usually more then just 4 other QBs I'd take over him.

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Posted on Sun Dec 15, 2013 21:10:43
Still don't believe in Kaepernick Bo? He played very strong today. Great runs and a couple of great passes under pressure. Gore getting over a 1000 yards, Boldin and Crabtree making great catches. We are going to the NFC Championship.

My only worry is that it seems to take Kaep a few good plays to get confident. We can beat Seattle in Seattle.

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Posted on Sun Dec 15, 2013 22:20:23
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Still don't believe in Kaepernick Bo? He played very strong today. Great runs and a couple of great passes under pressure. Gore getting over a 1000 yards, Boldin and Crabtree making great catches. We are going to the NFC Championship.

My only worry is that it seems to take Kaep a few good plays to get confident. We can beat Seattle in Seattle.


I don't think Seattle (esp at home) would just hand him a few good plays for him to really get going... so good luck with that.

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Posted on Sun Dec 15, 2013 23:44:44
Thank you for the good luck wish! Even if you think you don't mean it.

Coach is going to have them practice with speakers blaring louder than the Shehawks stadium.

edit: Prolly blast out some Nirvana hoping Sheattle uses the Shotgun one too many times. ROFL

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Posted on Mon Dec 16, 2013 00:52:58
im really about to just say f**k football....its either our D sucks, off sucks, coach sucks...or like today a total mix of all 3 sucking.... f**king idiots make romo pass a million times in a row scared to f**king hand the god damn ball of to a star running back...

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Posted on Mon Dec 16, 2013 01:39:39
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im really about to just say f**k football....its either our D sucks, off sucks, coach sucks...or like today a total mix of all 3 sucking.... f**king idiots make romo pass a million times in a row scared to f**king hand the god damn ball of to a star running back...


Been there. Done that.

Pretty sure it was the last Super Bowl and Gore would've won it.

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Posted on Mon Dec 16, 2013 05:03:22
My takes away from the very limited info I have about Sunday's game:

SF is playing better now that their healthy, but still not 100% convinced they will be a real Super Bowl contender... though the NFC is suddenly looking a lot less predictable than I thought it would.

NO has some serious issues. They're losing games that I thought they should win. Brees has always had issues with INTs, but usually they've had a very high powered offense to compensate for it. Now, it's clear their offense can be held in check, making the INTs all the more damning.

NE is good, but I'm all but ready to say they aren't going to be real contenders. They certainly do have the potential, and there is something about a team never giving up and making comebacks, but it's not a dependable formula for the playoffs, and we saw that again today with MIA. Brady looked good but not great, and the only way this team will do anything is if he plays great.

SEA is the real deal. I knew it already but their defense is just so good and Wilson has turned into a very good QB that doesn't make many mistakes. I think they'll represent the NFC in the Super Bowl, and maybe win their 2 games to get their fairly easily. Very dangerous team that no one wants to play right now.

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Posted on Mon Dec 16, 2013 05:24:27
9ers want to play them.

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Posted on Mon Dec 16, 2013 08:37:21
Ehh, I get what you're saying as a fan. I want my teams to go through division rivals or whatnot on their way to a championship, but the Seahawks are dangerous this year. I wrote them off last season due to inexperience and wasn't sold on their style of play. This year, however, they have the experience and they seem to be very much the real deal. And while SF may be confident about beating anyone (as any team normally does feel in the playoffs), it's not an ideal situation. SEA will be at home as well, so I don't think I can see anyone beating them in the NFC, and they are the Super Bowl favorites, in my mind.

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Posted on Sun Dec 22, 2013 23:54:30
cant cuss the boys this week...but still far from being impressed.

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