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Posted on Thu Mar 14, 2013 23:18:37
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Joe Flacco has the most wins of any QB since he's started. He's quiet. Not the type that's gonna go on 20/20 and cry or something. He's contributed plenty in his young career.
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Posted on Fri Mar 15, 2013 17:23:31
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That "most wins" thing is so over-hyped, twisted and meaningless stat, because it discounts guys like Brady and Rodgers because their first "years" were spent 99% on the bench as backups, and I think anyone with any half a brain cell would prefer, say, Brady's first five years as a starter of Flacco's, seeing as Brady won more regular season games, more playoff games and more Super Bowls in that span. And also, Flacco HAS been in interviews where he has complained about other QBs, his status, that people don't like him etc. Just do a google search of "Joe Flacco complains about" and you'll see all his moaning.
The true test for Flacco will now come. He's proven himself that he can lead a good team to the playoffs and he can win when it matters most, and that's the most critical thing. But now it's the second phase of his career; already established, won something, has his own team and now has to play without many of the great players he was used to.
As the saying goes, anyone can win one title, but it's the great players who win multiple ones. Let's see now how Flacco is when he doesn't have that laundry list of players that he had for most/all of his career. Personally, I don't think Flacco is that type of QB. I'm sure you do, on the other hand. From what it seems like, Flacco isn't good enough to get a team into the playoffs, but, for whatever reason, he can perform well once he gets there. But without the stellar defense playing for him, I don't know if his 3,600 YD, 20 TD and 59% CMP is going to be enough to get a new team anywhere in today's NFL. Now, maybe he'll develop, and that's certainly possible, and in two years' time he'll be a top 5 guy.... but that's putting a lot of money into that possibility and tying up a lot of salary in the future with a lot of guaranteed money that IS affecting and WILL continue to affect how contracts are handled in Baltimore.
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Posted on Fri Mar 15, 2013 23:43:45
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so far it looks as if cowboys are kicking people to the curb and looking towards the draft....didnt think there were to many top notch guys there but i guess they see people they like....
(guess we are going to start rebuilding again...)
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Posted on Sat Mar 16, 2013 00:03:48
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the Cowboys just have to accept they are not going to win with the team they have. That conference is just too damn good for an inconsistent team with questionable talent (or clutchness) at multiple positions, in a tough division, to succeed. That's why I've been saying trading Romo might not be a terrible idea. He's not a bad QB, and certainly there are teams in shittier position at that position that would not have much resistance to giving up a couple high draft picks and other decent players to get Romo. For example, perhaps Romo would mean more to Cleveland than he does to Dallas, especially in this off-season where Cleveland has made some decent signings. Arizona, I'm sure, would love to have Romo throwing the ball to Fitzgerald, as opposed to the clown cast of QBs they've had since 2008.
That is the problem with most owners/coaches though; they are unable to accept the fact they're team isn't good enough to win now or next year with a few tweaks. Now, the Cowboys are in the dreaded position of mediocrity, where they aren't insane for thinking they have a shot at making the playoffs but, in all likelihood, they will win 6-8 games and miss them and have a middle of the round draft pick that's sort of too high to trade for just anything but is too low to draft any of the top players at a specific position. At this point, I really don't know what is best for the Cowboys,a nd I'm glad my team isn't anywhere near that position. Trading Romo was probably only a good option over the past few years, but trading him now will result in wasting away guys like Bryant and Murray.
I think Dallas is doomed for at least a few more season of mediocre play due to their mishandling of their roster. Jerry Jones just needs to accept he doesn't know shit about football and should get the hell out of the way of the real football guys on his staff.... or actually hire some good football guys to do so.
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Posted on Sat Mar 16, 2013 14:39:29
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So here is a chance for the patriots to really make things interesting:
Denver had to cut sack machine Elvis Dumervil yesterday due to an issue with faxing the proper papers between the team, the player/went and the league. Apparently dumervil agreed to cut 4mil off his salary in exchange for a little more next year and 3.5m guaranteed, but confusion led to him to get completely cut, and is obviously upset. And additionally, we all know how welker went to Denver and the bad feelings with it. Imagine now the pats, who desperately need defense and could certainly use a good pash rusher, go out and sign dumervil from right under Denver's nose? Wow, that would be incredible and I think the Denver/new England matchup would make for great TV. A pipe dream, maybe, but a very tantalizing one that isn't that impractical
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Posted on Sat Mar 16, 2013 16:35:37
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if they were to show him the money....i think he would follow for sure...
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Posted on Sat Mar 16, 2013 20:20:41
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This is going to be a true test for me if I am going to believe the Patriots are serious about contending. obviously, no one anticipated Dumervil being a free agent, so it's clear the Pats weren't saving up money for him specifically... but they still walked into this off-season with around $30m cap space and are on the verge of cutting Brandon Lloyd which would clear up around $5m in cap space as we've spent already on the few signings we have made so far. Either way, Kraft is still sitting on probably around $20m in cap space... already was talking to Freeny, who made a pretty astonishing $14m last season, and it's unlikely they would be able to sign him for $8m, which is what Dumervil was supposedly agreeing to get paid in Denver before this fiasco. Either way, Dumervil is four years younger and is more productive at this point in his career with sacks, and is probably going to be cheaper than Freeney, if not similar in price...
I'd be more than ok if the Pats spent up to $10-$12m to land Dumervil... we HAVE the money to blow everyone else away that would want to sign him, and we have a serious need for pass rush. Even if we did spend that much money, we'd still have close to $15m left over to spend on other players! It seems like a no-brainer that Dumervil would be an IDEAL fit in this defense and that there would still be enough money to go around for a couple more signings afterwards.
Oh please, Patriots, show me you guys are going all in on winning a championship. Ordinarily I'd sayt there was no way this would happen, but BB is such a scumbag that he would probably do this purely out of spite if he could, and this off-season was so similar to how things ended in the 06 AFC title game to the Colts and with the anticipation of making big moves in that following winter.
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Posted on Wed Mar 20, 2013 06:40:10
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Hey everybody! I've been busy with all kinds of things...anyways...
Not sure what I think of the Percy trade. Kid is electrifying, but also a headache. And that's a lot of money. I am more excited about Avril and Bennett. Still hoping they sign Osi or Freeney for cheap.
Go Hawks!
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Posted on Wed Mar 20, 2013 14:32:01
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Really? I think he could be a pretty good player for the Seahakws. You have to remember... the entire MIN offense was 100% run through Peterson. They would run the football every series, almost every down, and when they did throw it Peterson would still catch 40 passes. Not to mention... he's had a combination of washed up Brett Favre, Tarvaris Jackson, Donovan McNabb and Christian Ponder throwing him the football and starting games.
Putting Harvin in Seattle is one of the best fits of this off-season. Just think... Seahawks already have a great D and they have a QB who played pretty well last year with some young talented WRs around him in Tate and Rice. However, after those guys you had Edwards, Martin and Kearse to wrap up your "five wide" set..... Now, you have three legit WRs who are all around 24-25 years old with a young QB who can really work towards something. Let's not forget, SEA finished 9th overall in points scored, which isn't too bad, but those stats are somewhat inflated by scoring a combined 92 points on back to back weeks against Buffalo and Arizona. So the offense could definitely use some help, but if you start getting near the top 5 in both offense and defense... well, that's when you start seeing teams making deep playoff runs and winning titles.
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Posted on Wed Mar 20, 2013 17:37:34
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well....heres another stupid rule added to the NFL....sorry RB's but now yall are the new victim of a retard who thinks he can prevent 100% of the injuries that occur in a game of football...
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Posted on Wed Mar 20, 2013 17:46:59
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To be honest, I don't have much of a problem with that rule. Rule changes have been favoring offenses for years Dow. Defenders haven't been able to lead with the helmet for a while an have to worry about making contact in certain ways, so why not an offensive player? RBs usually play for contact, unlike other offensive skill positions, and in reality them leading with the helmet probably contributes to most of their injuries. If both sides, offense and defense, would just make good, hard, clean tackles, then no one would have a problem. But defenses started leadin with their helmet, so RBs started lowering their shoulder and leading with theirs. That's all they're told: get low. So if both sides can just go back to wrapping guys up and going boulder to shoulder we'd be fine. The NHL does this, as players aren't really able to lead with their head, and most of the hits result in just body on body, shoulder on shoulder, and you can withstand those hits while also delivering a huge blow.
I don't mind this rule change. Balance it out a little, as defenders have to watch their steps so now the offensive guys do too. If everyone can play the game right, it won't result in any difference in gameplay, but apparently we all believe NFL players are incapable of just making hits the right way; like they do everyday in hockey, at much faster speeds
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Posted on Wed Mar 20, 2013 22:01:43
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the right way? for a RB lowering your shoulder in order to just blow through a defender IS the right way. theres no ifs ands or buts about it, this will mess with every rb in the league because of the simple fact every rb in the league has grown up playing like that. Hell even my peewee coach told us all to lower our shoulder when we are about to make contact. hockey and football...2 different sports, completely different when it comes to contact between players. Sorry but all this "safty" bullshit is just going to f**k the game up in the end, not save it as mister Roger Goodell claims it will.
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Posted on Thu Mar 21, 2013 00:22:47
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I am aware that kids are being trained to do that, but they're being trained to do something dangerous and the wrong way; just as defenders have been trained as kids to take people's heads off over the top when they were defenseless in years past. you can LEAD with your shoulder, but if you lower it, you're initiating contact with the crown of the helmet. That is what the league is trying to get out of the NFL, and I really don't see why anyone enjoys seeing players lying on the field unconscious and then missing several weeks of a very short season to a concussion. Maybe I'm unique, but I don't cheer for injuries, and I don't want to see star players, or any players, missing time because of injuries. Some injuries you can't prevent, but others you can. And when you LEAD with your head by lowering your shoulder, you are asking for helmet to helmet hits. In all honesty, it's truly amazing no one has died on the field so far in the NFL, though we've seen plenty of them paralyzed. Initiate good hard body/shoulder on body/shoulder contact. Doing that is enough to knock someone on their ass and free up the ball--hell, most fumbles are caused by someone poking the ball free, not by leading with the helmet. But those types of hits aren't enough to seriously injure someone.
Until the NFL makes rules about not cutting too sharply, or not being allowed to dive forward for yards then I have no problem with the changes. Eliminating kickoffs, on the other hand, I don't want them to ever pass.
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Posted on Thu Mar 21, 2013 00:35:59
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Goodell nitpicking and tweaking rules that, for the most part, are already based primarily on interpretation is a pretty slippery slope. What is really wrong with the rules as how they are right now? The players know that it is a high risk sport as far as injury goes and they are very well compensated for it in most circumstances. I'm not saying that I like to see people get injured, and I think they should be protected from intentionally malicious hits, I can just see this getting out of control with all his proposed 'tweaks.'
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Posted on Thu Mar 21, 2013 03:56:27
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Well... you're actually saying you like seeing people injured, because whenever there are really any changes proposed people always bitch about it. I have yet to hear any rule change or proposed change that hasn't resulted in people saying "f**k that, ruining the game... not saying I don't want to see people injured but f**k that!"
I don't see why leading with the crown of your helmet is good and why it needs to be in the game. That is how people get injured. Broken bones, ligament tears, dislocated joints.... those are things that are virtually unpreventable in a contact sport that can happen on clean tackles, players slipping, or just freak accidents. But it's the serious injuries, like concussions, that can be prevented and should be looked into. If you lose your starting WR because he tried to break his fall after being pushed out of bounds and ended up breaking his arm, you may be upset but it's just something that happens in the NFL. If you lose your same WR because someone lined him up and lead with their head, you're pissed because it was a dirty play that wasn't necessary.
In my opinion, for what it's worth, this is the problem with the NFL: It's the mindset of hit as hard as possible, regardless of anything else. I swear, some defensive players miss more tackles because they try to hit harder than just trying to wrap them up and bring them down. Or when it's 3rd and 8 on the offense's 30 yard line and they run the ball up the middle for a gain of 4, but the RB is falling to the ground while being tackled, yet another defender feels the need to dive head-first at the RB's head to prevent him from getting the extra three inches on an irrelevant play. Players are out there trying to hurt each other it seems, and that's what the problem is. And it's not even so much that fact alone, but it's that coupled with the fact other former players are now suing the league for allowing those very things. The same generation of players bitching about this rule change is also suing the league for not having rules in place to prevent those hits.
Believe it or not, you can STILL make tackles without initiating contact with your damn head! Nothing says RBs can't use their shoulders, it just says they can't lower the shoulder and tuck their head into it. Or we can keep having players do that, keep having defenders try their best to hit with their heads, and we can keep seeing player after player missing week after week with concussions. It's no coincidence that concussions have increased as helmets have gotten more durable.
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Posted on Thu Mar 21, 2013 05:12:04
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Long story short, I don't think Bosox has ever played legitimate football... You can watch it all you want and cry safety til you're blue in the face, but agreeing with this rule means you're either Goodell himself or some white collar "I make money and am a fan but never played a down in my life" faker.
This rule might as well be called the RB slide... shouldn't it? If you can't lower your head and fight for yards, you might as well do a QB slide. No RB is gonna WILLINGLY take a hit standing straight up. NVM that, NO ball carrier PERIOD will just take a hit standing straight up if they can prevent it.
f**k this NFL... I don't know what NFL this is, but it ain't my NFL. Goodell has ruined my NFL.... You might as well start putting flags on their hips and make it a backyard pussy game.
I guarantee though that if the Pats ever had a Jim Brown, Earl Campbell, Larry CZonka, Mike Alstot, etc. Bosox would be against this rule. But since the Pats have never had a hard nosed runner Bo could care less because it doesn't affect his current team or it's legacy... If the NFL banned 2 TE sets or 5 wide Bo would be up in arms....
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Posted on Sun Mar 24, 2013 22:11:22
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Looks like they let you down Bo. Elvis is now a Raven.
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Posted on Wed Mar 27, 2013 01:54:32
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Oh God, Crow. Don't be one of those people that think you playing varsity football for East Bumf**k High when you were 17 qualifies you more than anyone else that has ever played or not played organized sports  Perhaps if you were paying closer attention in Freshman English I instead of planning to talk about your old playing days of your teens, you'd be able to read the rule properly and know what it means. The rule says the can't lead with the crown of their helmet outside the tackle box. Nothing there about not being able to brace themselves, and nothing there about not being able to get low in the tackle box, and it's going to be mostly a judgement ruling, the NFL has said as much, about wether or not the RB was simply protecting himself or doing it aggressively towards the defender in the same manner defenders do to offensive players.
But for someone who accuses me of always bringing the Pats up, you sure don't have much of an issue bringing them up yourself in a totally irrelevant statement.
Or, maybe if the Cowboys had a history of great QBs you'd feel differently? Perhaps it's the fact one of the Cowboy idols, Staubach, was lucky if he had a slightly better than 1:1 TD:INT ratio and could throw for 3,000 yards every now and again you'd be more impressed with excellent QBs and not hold Romo in such high regards
Personally, I don't think any of the stricter defensive fines and rules to avoid contact with the head made the game any worse. If there was one rule I'd change it's the damn PI call where it seems every other pass of more then 7 yards results in PI on the defense, and usually awards 35 yards or so. To me, THAT is a terrible rule you should be bitching about, and one that NEVER causes any injuries... when was the last time you saw a WR get hurt because a defender had their hand grace the back of their jersey possibly on a ball that may or may not have been catchable? But it's these leading with the crown plays that are knocking guys out for weeks at a time that don't have to happen.
But oh well about Dumveril. I guess it's still better he goes to Baltimore than a couple other AFC teams. Ravens will probably suck this coming year anwyays, and Dumervil will just become irrelevant.
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Posted on Wed Mar 27, 2013 08:02:46
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Oh God, Crow. Don't be one of those people that think you playing varsity football for East Bumf**k High when you were 17 qualifies you more than anyone else that has ever played or not played organized sports Perhaps if you were paying closer attention in Freshman English I instead of planning to talk about your old playing days of your teens, you'd be able to read the rule properly and know what it means. The rule says the can't lead with the crown of their helmet outside the tackle box. Nothing there about not being able to brace themselves, and nothing there about not being able to get low in the tackle box, and it's going to be mostly a judgement ruling, the NFL has said as much, about wether or not the RB was simply protecting himself or doing it aggressively towards the defender in the same manner defenders do to offensive players.
But for someone who accuses me of always bringing the Pats up, you sure don't have much of an issue bringing them up yourself in a totally irrelevant statement.
Or, maybe if the Cowboys had a history of great QBs you'd feel differently? Perhaps it's the fact one of the Cowboy idols, Staubach, was lucky if he had a slightly better than 1:1 TD:INT ratio and could throw for 3,000 yards every now and again you'd be more impressed with excellent QBs and not hold Romo in such high regards
Personally, I don't think any of the stricter defensive fines and rules to avoid contact with the head made the game any worse. If there was one rule I'd change it's the damn PI call where it seems every other pass of more then 7 yards results in PI on the defense, and usually awards 35 yards or so. To me, THAT is a terrible rule you should be bitching about, and one that NEVER causes any injuries... when was the last time you saw a WR get hurt because a defender had their hand grace the back of their jersey possibly on a ball that may or may not have been catchable? But it's these leading with the crown plays that are knocking guys out for weeks at a time that don't have to happen.
But oh well about Dumveril. I guess it's still better he goes to Baltimore than a couple other AFC teams. Ravens will probably suck this coming year anwyays, and Dumervil will just become irrelevant. |
You'd feel better about yourself if you had responded sober but I doubt that is the case here. I'm gonna wait til I'm sober to respond because I don't want to be as crass or asinine as you just appeared. I should expect no less from a damn Patriots fan though.
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Posted on Thu Mar 28, 2013 00:51:25
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Was sober, and comments still stand. Have at me
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Posted on Thu Mar 28, 2013 21:57:49
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I'll take Huff & Dumervil over Reed & Kruger
Ravens upgrade at the end of the day.
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Posted on Thu Mar 28, 2013 22:47:32
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Ravens may have upgraded at those two positions, but you're still at a way net loss with the departure of all your other free agents and whatnot. Baltimore has taken a pretty big step back. Good news is Pittsburgh has probably taken a step back as well, and they weren't even that good last year. But watch out for Cincy, as this could be their year to run away with the AFC North and probably bump you guys out of a playoff berth. The AFC still sucks, and that's the saving grace for all potential WC teams, but if Houston and Indy both have good seasons again and if Miami or San Diego can get their shit together, that's probably going to be bad news for teams like Baltimore and Pittsburgh, as they have benefited as much as anyone else over the conference being weak, usually by winning a WC berth because there has been no real other competition in the AFC for the past 12 years apart from the same three to four teams every year.
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Posted on Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:04:34
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but if...what if...but...when...oh screw it, Ozzie owns face again |
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Posted on Fri Mar 29, 2013 14:16:46
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the Cowboys just have to accept they are not going to win with the team they have. That conference is just too damn good for an inconsistent team with questionable talent (or clutchness) at multiple positions, in a tough division, to succeed. That's why I've been saying trading Romo might not be a terrible idea. He's not a bad QB, and certainly there are teams in shittier position at that position that would not have much resistance to giving up a couple high draft picks and other decent players to get Romo. For example, perhaps Romo would mean more to Cleveland than he does to Dallas, especially in this off-season where Cleveland has made some decent signings. Arizona, I'm sure, would love to have Romo throwing the ball to Fitzgerald, as opposed to the clown cast of QBs they've had since 2008.
That is the problem with most owners/coaches though; they are unable to accept the fact they're team isn't good enough to win now or next year with a few tweaks. Now, the Cowboys are in the dreaded position of mediocrity, where they aren't insane for thinking they have a shot at making the playoffs but, in all likelihood, they will win 6-8 games and miss them and have a middle of the round draft pick that's sort of too high to trade for just anything but is too low to draft any of the top players at a specific position. At this point, I really don't know what is best for the Cowboys,a nd I'm glad my team isn't anywhere near that position. Trading Romo was probably only a good option over the past few years, but trading him now will result in wasting away guys like Bryant and Murray.
I think Dallas is doomed for at least a few more season of mediocre play due to their mishandling of their roster. Jerry Jones just needs to accept he doesn't know shit about football and should get the hell out of the way of the real football guys on his staff.... or actually hire some good football guys to do so. |
Saw something on NFL.com about how even their precious Romo could be gone relatively soon
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Posted on Fri Mar 29, 2013 20:29:33
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That's odd considering he just signed a $100M+ deal....
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Posted on Sat Mar 30, 2013 17:50:17
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The Cow boys just backed themselves into a no win situation. Dealing Romo would have probably made more sense a couple years ago. But now, to Romo's credit, his play has improved but he's still too inconsistent and has still played terrible games when he had to win his way into the playoffs in the final game of the season two years running.
Romo's value was probably the highest after the 2009 season, and probably made the most sense for the Cowboys then, or maybe after he got injured could have traded him away at a lower price but still gotten value. But they instead decided to stick with him and build around him. Unfortunately, their rebuilding efforts have not been successful and have been marred in mediocrity at a dead even 16-16 over the past two seasons. They're not in sports limbo hell; good enough to not blow the team up but fallen behind the pack enough that their best hope is a first round playoff loss if everything goes great for them.
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Not really sure how we've built around him. Dez is about the only worthwhile offensive player we've added since Romo got the start. Jerry has repeatedly neglected our Oline besides drafting Smith and signing backup scrubs. Seams they have tried to build up a defense instead of building around Romo.
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bosox
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Well that is what I mean. I never said Jones was SMART, but they haven't just packed it in, dealt their stars, and gone full blown rebuilding. They're tried to put together a decent team down there, but they've just done it wrong and failed. The only thing is that it's not very often a QB of impact (and I'm even counting Palmer here as an impact guy) gets traded to another team, but it was probably something the Cowboys could only realistically have done a couple years ago. At this point, it wouldn't make any sense.
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Realistically, why would we have wanted to? What better QB has hit the market in the past fews years? Manning would have finished his neck off behind our line, Palmer was OBVIOUSLY not worth what was given for him... Kolb? Tebow? Flynn? Jackson? Campbell? NONE of those, including Manning, would have been suitable for this team, and the draft is always hit or miss. Why should we have given up a proven starter for a couple of draft picks thinking he could be replaced so easily? Had we traded him, we'd have overpaid for someone half as good who everyone would be yelling to cut now. Trading Romo was NEVER a sensible option. You don't trade the best QB in your franchises history (and yes I'm including Aikman and Staubach) for a chance at rebuilding and a couple picks.
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Posted on Sun Mar 31, 2013 21:25:34
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By bosox [278767]
Well that is what I mean. I never said Jones was SMART, but they haven't just packed it in, dealt their stars, and gone full blown rebuilding. They're tried to put together a decent team down there, but they've just done it wrong and failed. The only thing is that it's not very often a QB of impact (and I'm even counting Palmer here as an impact guy) gets traded to another team, but it was probably something the Cowboys could only realistically have done a couple years ago. At this point, it wouldn't make any sense. |
Let them keep shooting themselves in the foot. Works for me.
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