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Thread created on Mon Feb 11, 2013 15:37:13
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It is never too early to put the old season and thread to bed. It is done, and none of what happened matters anymore, so to kick off the new year with (hopefully) new NFL talk... I will start.

My early prediction is:

The best TEAM will win it all... but I will go out on a limb and predict that the Lions will not be that team

Nor will the Ravens. It just doesn't happen, so I do not predict a repeat for Baltimore. Give it another 5 to 10 years, and maybe.

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Posted on Mon Feb 11, 2013 16:11:16
Wouldn't be too surprised if the Ravens don't make the playoffs, a lot of that playoff/Superbowl run was the Ray Lewis buzz, I think.

As for who takes it all, I can't really have much say, I don't really follow the NFL that deep, although I do think it'll be interesteing to see where Alex Smith ends up, if he does indeed leave SF, and how all the second year QB's do.

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Posted on Mon Feb 11, 2013 18:21:55
I think none of the Ravens' success had to do with Lewis. He was a non-factor pretty much the whole year and didn't really play well in the playoffs. I think their title had more to do with Flacco going throwing 11 TDs to 0 INT and Jacoby Jones emerging as a potential star player in the NFL. Ravens weren't winning with their defense on their run, they were putting up 30+ points a game while also surrendering a good amount as well.

Too early to give any thoughts on next year, as it's still undetermined who will sign where, what teams will keep their free agents and what happens in the draft. Only things we have to go on right now are last year's stats and areas of need for each team based on last season.

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Posted on Mon Feb 11, 2013 18:31:33
Also, I think maybe we're seeing that the college-style offense of SF isn't the best option. It looks like maybe the best defenses in the NFL are starting to catch up with this "read-option" gimmick. For the record, I'm in favor of adding "read-option" to the phrases to be retired list. Atlanta and Baltimore held the 49ers in check for the first halves of their two games before SF was able to break through on one and lose in the other. Just like the infamous "wildcat" formation that everyone thought was impossible to stop, I think this lame-ass college style "pistol read-option" setup is going to become nearly as irrelevant as it's predecessor. When it was just Carolina or Denver doing this QB run based offense that was one thing, and most defenses would probably not adapt to it... but now that we have Washington, Carolina, Seattle, San Francisco, probably Philadelphia and others maybe running it next year, I think you'll see many more defenses have a more concrete game plan about how to stop it.

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Posted on Mon Feb 11, 2013 19:29:15
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Also, I think maybe we're seeing that the college-style offense of SF isn't the best option. It looks like maybe the best defenses in the NFL are starting to catch up with this "read-option" gimmick. For the record, I'm in favor of adding "read-option" to the phrases to be retired list. Atlanta and Baltimore held the 49ers in check for the first halves of their two games before SF was able to break through on one and lose in the other. Just like the infamous "wildcat" formation that everyone thought was impossible to stop, I think this lame-ass college style "pistol read-option" setup is going to become nearly as irrelevant as it's predecessor. When it was just Carolina or Denver doing this QB run based offense that was one thing, and most defenses would probably not adapt to it... but now that we have Washington, Carolina, Seattle, San Francisco, probably Philadelphia and others maybe running it next year, I think you'll see many more defenses have a more concrete game plan about how to stop it.


besides dallas.....they will never learn how to stop it....

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Posted on Mon Feb 11, 2013 20:12:02
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I think none of the Ravens' success had to do with Lewis. He was a non-factor pretty much the whole year and didn't really play well in the playoffs. I think their title had more to do with Flacco going throwing 11 TDs to 0 INT and Jacoby Jones emerging as a potential star player in the NFL. Ravens weren't winning with their defense on their run, they were putting up 30+ points a game while also surrendering a good amount as well.

Too early to give any thoughts on next year, as it's still undetermined who will sign where, what teams will keep their free agents and what happens in the draft. Only things we have to go on right now are last year's stats and areas of need for each team based on last season.


Nah, I really do think Ray Lewis had a lot to do with it. He was a big figure in the locker room there and his retirement I believe pretty much spurred everyone (including the attack!) on to play as well as they did, to provide Lewis with the ultimate parting gift. But that's just my take on it!

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Posted on Tue Feb 12, 2013 01:27:42
But this isn't a high school tournament, it's the NFL and the Super Bowl. Every team is motivated to play. Tony Gonzalez has been in the league 12 years and hadn't won a playoff game until January, and who knows how much longer he has in the game, yet the Falcons lost. Many many players from many many sports have openly said they're going to retire at the end of the year, and very few of them go out as champs. Now, Lewis absolutely provided great insight and probably served as a coach on the field to other defensive guys, and that's a legit thing to say, but simply the fact he was retiring and it inspired his teammates isn't really cutting it for me. Most players in the playoffs have never won a Super Bowl before, and have their whole family and friends all watching the games, tyring to win a title for themselves and become a legend. Everyone is just as motivated as the next guy.

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Posted on Tue Feb 12, 2013 01:28:11
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Posted on Tue Feb 12, 2013 01:49:03
All I can say for now is that I think Bosox prediction for the Cowboys last year will be true of them this year. 4-12 to 6-10 at most. Defense will be shit and we will have to use the draft to try and build a 4-3 line from scratch while still having NO safeties, so another year of no improvements on our Oline and Romo running for his life with Murray having no holes to hit.

Felix is pretty much gone, so no proven sub for the oft-injured Murray, Spencer I fear will be a cap casualty as well as Mike Jenkins, Ratliff will be gone for lack of production and off the field issues. I WISH we would trade or cut Austins injury prone ass but Jerry seams to love him for some reason.


So lets see our list of needs...
Backup RB, a reliable 2 and 3 WR, an entire Oline (yes, that includes Tyron Smiths overly penalized ass), an entire D line, a SS and a FS. Sounds promising....

I'm almost willing to put money (TC) on the Jets and/or Browns having better records than the Boys next year.

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Posted on Tue Feb 12, 2013 02:58:37
Well, the only consolation is Griffin is no guarantee to bounce back as effective as he was this year, and the Giants look like they;re about to hit another stretch of mediocrity like they fell on after their 2007 title. Although, I wonder how many times Jones can keep getting inured and coming back, if I'm right and he sustained another injury late in the year last year?

As for my Patriots.... there's a few areas of major concern that, if addressed, can take the team back to the Super Bowl. Obviously the defense is an issue, but it wasn't actually terrible last year, and I think we re-arranged guys around to make it work alright. But we HAVE to resign Aqib Talib. The difference between when he was and wasn't with the team was drastic. I think he may get tagged. Welker is another issue, and I'm undecided about what to do. He's great but sometimes I'm starting to wonder if he is becoming more of a distraction than a benefit. Brady seems obsessed with getting him the ball, maybe to the detriment of other WRs. Unfortunately he's a FA, so we can't make a trade, but freeing up Welker could help clear cap space and there's not a bad market out there for WR free agents this off-season. And I think Gronkowski is more important to the offense than Welker, and I'd rather tag Talib than Welker... so I don't know if he fits in on the 2013 Patriots, to be honest. Then there's the run game... Riddley looked great for most of the year, but it's becoming a pattern now that he isn't reliable in big spots late in the season. Fumbles in key games, leading with his head and getting knocked around... I don't know if he's going to be effective that way. But I do like Shane Vareen and Danny Woodhead in the backfield. Perhaps Vereen will go into next season competing for the number 1 job, and Riddley could platoon with Woody.

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Posted on Tue Feb 12, 2013 20:29:47
The redskins won't make it far especially since they were dumb enough and traded away a few futre draft pics for a QB who might not be the same again and could've possible just had a rookie year. I see the ravens making the playoffs again like they have the past few seasons, this team they will have a younger team. I think Lewis retiring had a 50/50 impact on the ravens to win it, but you really can't compare Gonzalez to Lewis and when I say that I mean the falcons don't respect Tony Gonzalez like the ravens did respected Ray Lewis and that's because he was like a coach on the field, so I'll say it was a 50/50 impact on the team.

But I think the 2013 season will be interesting to see what changes all the teams have made in the off season.

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Posted on Tue Feb 12, 2013 23:42:25
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Well, the only consolation is Griffin is no guarantee to bounce back as effective as he was this year, and the Giants look like they;re about to hit another stretch of mediocrity like they fell on after their 2007 title. Although, I wonder how many times Jones can keep getting inured and coming back, if I'm right and he sustained another injury late in the year last year?



If it's Felix Jones you're referring to, he actually stayed healthy last year but just wasn't productive when given the chance. I had high hopes for him when he carried an 8.9 and 5.9 YPC in his first 2 years, but a 3.6 is terrible regardless of the line conditions and I think they'll be parting ways.

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Posted on Wed Feb 13, 2013 03:32:44
Tony Gonzalez is very respected, I don't know what you're talking about. If the Falcons had beat the 49ers, the story would have also been about Gonzalez getting a ring so late in his career and his teammates saying they want to win it for him. Again, let's stop pretending like anything Baltimore did was unique. And no, come on guys, Lewis retiring had nothing to do with the win. This isn't high school football or even a regular season game where the team rallies around another player in a game where it may not have any real direct playoff implications or an out of conference opponent... it's the damn Super Bowl and every single player there is playing in front of their entire families and all of their friends and have had their entire careers and lives building up to that moment.... so stop giving me this Disney World happy feeling that the team rallied around him...because the team was going to rally anyways. The only impact Lewis had on the game was the fact he has played for so long in the league, with the same team, and he knows defense like the back of his hand and can act as a coach on the field. That's great, and that's something to talk about, because most players aren't at that level, but stopppp with the damn retirement thing.

And I do have to wonder, Snoop, are you just another typical bandwagon fan? is there any reason why this particular off-season will be interesting to see what changes get made, as opposed to every other off-season in the history of the NFL--or any off-season for any sport? I mean, it sounds sort of like this is the first time you've paid any attention to the NFL.

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Posted on Wed Feb 13, 2013 03:41:38
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All I can say for now is that I think Bosox prediction for the Cowboys last year will be true of them this year. 4-12 to 6-10 at most. Defense will be shit and we will have to use the draft to try and build a 4-3 line from scratch while still having NO safeties, so another year of no improvements on our Oline and Romo running for his life with Murray having no holes to hit.

Felix is pretty much gone, so no proven sub for the oft-injured Murray, Spencer I fear will be a cap casualty as well as Mike Jenkins, Ratliff will be gone for lack of production and off the field issues. I WISH we would trade or cut Austins injury prone ass but Jerry seams to love him for some reason.


So lets see our list of needs...
Backup RB, a reliable 2 and 3 WR, an entire Oline (yes, that includes Tyron Smiths overly penalized ass), an entire D line, a SS and a FS. Sounds promising....

I'm almost willing to put money (TC) on the Jets and/or Browns having better records than the Boys next year.


i would say id have to agree with everything said there besides the part about tyron smith. You also left off a #1 WR, since Dez hasnt really showed he can do a damn thing constantly in the NFL. (he also has had his fair share of injuries)

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Posted on Wed Feb 13, 2013 03:53:39
Hmm you harp on Bryant about not being consistent in the NFL, yet you don't see how Romo is anything but consistent?

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Posted on Wed Feb 13, 2013 04:05:41
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Hmm you harp on Bryant about not being consistent in the NFL, yet you don't see how Romo is anything but consistent?


you trying to say dez is better then tony? really?

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Posted on Wed Feb 13, 2013 04:21:27
No, but I'm trying to say he hasn't played too poorly and had a pretty good season last year, especially for missing a couple games, yet you are fully aware he is inconsistent and therefore his good stats are somewhat deceiving... though if someone says the same true statement about Romo, you throw a hissy fit

3 years of Bryant, with his first one only starting 2 games and appearing in 12, he's got 2,800+ YD, 27 TD, 200 catches, averaging out to just under 1,000 YD, 10 TD and about 67 catches a year. That's not so terrible, and certainly I'd say either average or above average for WR's, coming off a nearly 1,400 yards and 12 TD season. So why can't you say the same thing about Romo when HE'S inconsistent despite putting up good stats most of the time?

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Posted on Wed Feb 13, 2013 15:50:33
This kid is a long way away from the NFL, but jeez! If he does continue to play RB... wow!

If I was his coach, I would actually put him on a nutritionally optimized diet, and maybe have him cut a few pounds... down to about 325 or so, but all muscle... see if that makes him even faster.

Sadly, I bet he is moved to line play eventually.

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Posted on Wed Feb 13, 2013 19:58:17
There's not a long history of great oversized RBs though. In part because they're typically slower and because their body just breaks down faster than even a normal RB. I've always secretly wonders if Vince Wilfork could ever make a half decent goal-line RB, given his unusually fast speed for a 300+ pounder, but he's pretty athletic and covers basically everything between the numbers as a nose tackle. But I don't think they have muh of a career for them as every down guys.

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Posted on Thu Feb 14, 2013 00:09:19
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No, but I'm trying to say he hasn't played too poorly and had a pretty good season last year, especially for missing a couple games, yet you are fully aware he is inconsistent and therefore his good stats are somewhat deceiving... though if someone says the same true statement about Romo, you throw a hissy fit

3 years of Bryant, with his first one only starting 2 games and appearing in 12, he's got 2,800+ YD, 27 TD, 200 catches, averaging out to just under 1,000 YD, 10 TD and about 67 catches a year. That's not so terrible, and certainly I'd say either average or above average for WR's, coming off a nearly 1,400 yards and 12 TD season. So why can't you say the same thing about Romo when HE'S inconsistent despite putting up good stats most of the time?


i guess you dont know the difference between romo and bryant.

Romo wasnt even drafted, so him being good at all is a bonus, the fact he has some of the best stats in the nfl during the regular season means we got more out of him then we could EVER have expected.


Bryant on the other hand, was a round 1 draft pick who was projected to be 1 of the best WRs to ever step on the field (hint why we gave him the #88 f**king jersey). He has had 2 sub-par seasons and 1 decent one..... 2010 he had 561 yards, 2011 he had 928 yards.....2010 he played 12 games and 2011 he played 15 games...

So yes, there is good reason to be displeased with bryant, and reason not to be displeased with romo. If you dont understand how standards for a undrafted player and standards for a first rounder are different, theres a major problem with your understanding of the game.

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Posted on Thu Feb 14, 2013 00:10:53
f**k, see what you made me do bosox...i actually used stats in an argument with you....

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Posted on Thu Feb 14, 2013 03:17:10
Their draft has 0 bearing on them right now, because they're both playing and both starters. And if you want to talk about "draft order," then how you put Peyton Manning over Brady is another thing you're contradicting yourself on JUST to argue me. Because Manning was a number 2 overall pick scheduled to start from day 1, whereas Brady was the 199th overall pick to be a backup and was forced into starting due to injury. So if you're THAT horny about draft rankings, you seem to also be inconsistent with when you say it matters

There's no standards... the standards of being a starting player are the same! the Cowboys aren't saying to themselves "well, Romo wasn't drafted, so I guess we'll just overlook every mistake he does because it's all just gravy." I question YOUR understanding of the game if you think anyone on the team, coaching staff or management thinks that. Bryant and Romo are very similar though. Obviously Romo is the better player, and is more consistent than Bryant, but I think you can say they're similar in that they both have potential to be great but both always seem to find a way to screw up.

But since WHEN is 928 yards and 9 TDs a sub-par season? That's a pretty solid year. Sure, it's not one of the best, but it's certainly not sub-par. The standard for good WRs is still 1,000 YD 10 TD. That hasn't really changed too much, unlike the standard benchmarks for QBs has. I mean hell, if Bryant had any better numbers in 2011 he'd have been putting up something like 1,200 YD and 12 TD... which is... very similar to what he put up in 2012, where he was, in my opinion, above average.

The difference is Bryant is a WR and Romo is the QB, so you want to cheer for your QB because it's usually a lot harder to find a good QB than a receiver, and probably because Romo has been there longer than Bryant has. Because they're BOTH inconsistent, and you can see that bryant is, which he is, but you are blind to see Romo is really not much more consistent.

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Posted on Thu Feb 14, 2013 03:52:45
Cowboys are the new Raiders, they won't win again until they have a new GM. Give Ryan a little talent and the D might not suck. Bring Norton back from the Seahawks to coach those LB's and see what happens, he seems to be doing pretty well. I think it's too early to call Bryant inconsistent. He came into the league with question marks, and he has consistently validated them. He's shown well despite, and other than a few ill timed drops, he's done fairly well. Let the fella grow as a person, and see what he becomes.
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Now, speaking of wide receivers...what the hell is going to happen with the Pack this year. Bosox, I usually discount anything you Nor'easter sissy boys say because your so freaking blind to the rest of the universe-planet-country-time zone, but you've been fairly realistic and adept at your arguments. I'm nervous the Pack may slide even further counting on such green talent at WR for Rodgers to throw at, while the issues at RB haven't been addressed. Defense is still on the fence due to all the talent they brought in but crippling injury really stagnated any progress there, so hope is alive in my mind.

P.S. Welker should have gotten paid long ago, now it's too late. Wilfork as an RB is a freaking catastrophe...how's he gonna stop all his girth from knocking the ball loose, too much jiggle. I'd be just as nervous about the Pats D as the Pack if I were you.

P.P.S. Rodney Harrison is my most hated sports personality in the world...worse than Tim McCarver! (has to throw it in there)

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Posted on Thu Feb 14, 2013 05:16:22
Who the hell is this guy? lol.

Keep up man, Ryan is gone. Dipshit Jerry let him go and now we we have to rebuild around a completely new system.

And LB's were not our problem. Matter of fact they the only good part of our D last year. The major problem with our D last year, besides everyone being injury prone as hell, was terrible safeties. No run support or pass coverage from them at all really. Our LB's were in charge of stopping the run and the blitz with pretty much no help from the safeties or even the line for that matter.



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Posted on Thu Feb 14, 2013 07:14:27
Jury is still out on Norton.
Wagner, I think, was runner-up for Def ROY, but the ATL game...he blew the coverage to allow ATL to move and get a FG. He was to blame twice, and he admitted it.
Wright was a 2nd year player, and he had a slight downfall from his rookie season.
Hill was Hill. Strong against the run, weak in coverage. After his recent arrest, and his age and slowness and FA status, he is no longer a Seahawk.

Going to be another season or 2 to judge Norton as a LB coach. He will have a rookie, 2nd year, and 3rd year next year as his group. He has the respect of the locker room though.


So Harvin wants Fitz/Megatron money? haha!!

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Posted on Thu Feb 14, 2013 21:00:32
Rodney Harrison can be whatever he wants, but he still got us two back to back championships

And it's odd when Green Bay fans talk about Boston being self centered, as Packer fans are probably just slightly better than Montreal Canadiens fans when they talk about the NFl, thinking it's their sport and we should all bow down and thank them for it Oh, and the fact you silly cheeseheads like to brag about "titles" won in the pre-modern era in the 1930s and so on, as in before Super Bowl and even before playoffs; but I digress.

I wasn't too surprised the Packers fell off this year, I said they would back in the pre-season, but I thought Detroit would have more to do with it. But green Bay is probably more one dimensional than even New England has become. I do still hold out some hope for my Patriots' and their defense, as I think it's getting better and I do think Talib is crucial to the success going forward. I'd honestly probably rather have Talib than Welker at this point. But the more I see of this Welker/Brady combination, the more I agree that Welker's value is primarily in fantasy football leagues. He justd oesn't score TDs and is absolutely 0 of a red zone threat. Now, with Gronkowski healthy and if we ever develop a good run game with our group of young backs, maybe we don't necessarily need Welker to score... but all those 110+ catches and 1,200+ yards every year....they don't seem to add up to much. AND, Welker has been dropping critical passes the past two seasons now, starting before the Super Bowl drop, climaxing at that, and then a couple notable ones this last season including his critical 3rd down drop when the game was still one possession. He's going to demand a lot of money, and between Gronk, Hernandez, Lloyd and Edelman... that's not a terrible WR/TE set right there, especially seeing as there are A LOT of decent WRs out there on the market this year. The ONLY thing Welker is good at is his 3rd down catches and security blanket for Brady.... yet the only problem with the offense the past few years has been critical late 3rd down conversions or running out of steam when it matters most... maybe that's because Welker being so small, the hits take a toll on his body and come January he's just not as effective as he was in November.

But that was a lot of Patriots rant, so excuse me for that and I hope none of you are too horrified.

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Posted on Thu Feb 14, 2013 21:14:43
Bosox im tired of trying to cram last season's news into your head. I didn't say Gonzalez wasn't very respected I just don't think the Falcons respect him MORE than the ravens respect Lewis and yes, that's what the story would've been but it wasn't... But like I said it was a 50/50 impact he had on the team, you can't tell me different. Nope, I stick with my team not this thread... So it's nothing you can't tell me about the Ravens that I don't know like it's probably the same for you and the patriots and I always pay attention to all changes made during the offseason with ALL teams, something that nobody wouldn't do if it was their first time paying attention to the NFL.

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Posted on Fri Feb 15, 2013 05:18:03
see, that rant wasnt bad bosox....its when you start talking about NE as if they were mightier then gods...thats when people usually start getting annoyed.

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Posted on Fri Feb 15, 2013 19:39:32
Get this through your head: Ray Lewis' retirement had 0 to do with the outcome of your season. His knowledge of the game did, however. This isn't JV high school football where shit like that matters; EVERY player from both teams were playing for the biggest moment in their careers with all of their families watching. So no, one Baltimore player who was retiring didn't outweigh every single other player and coach. Absolutely stupid to say that had 50% to do with it.

I never talk about NE as if they're mightier than Gods, ever. Me saying they were the best team of the past decade is just a fact, and no exaggerating at all. I have not said they've been the best team over the past few years, and I don't even claim Brady is better than Montana. So you go find me the quotes where I say NE in untouchable. People get annoyed because the Patriots usually are contending for Super Bowls, and they get tired of me talking about that fact. Just like peopel get tired of talking about any other one team who continually contends (the Lakers, Yankees, Heat, etc.). It's no surprise that the most hated teams in sports are generally the most successful ones. But I don't ever talk about the Patriots stupidly or like they are untouchable. I present stats and facts and make claims based off those, some of which you disagree with, but at you can't even say I just talk out of my ass about my teams.

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Posted on Sat Feb 16, 2013 19:52:58
any debat between manning and brady....

you also dont always go by stats and facts...pat vs raven game in playoffs for example....(i presented you with facts that ravens have been getting the better of pat and you said it wont happen this year.....)


just 2 real fast examples that i can think of.

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Posted on Sat Feb 16, 2013 21:57:45
Yes it did

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