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Posted on Wed Jan 09, 2013 00:58:59
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I think/hope the best game of week is Atlanta-Seattle, I think New England wins easily, Denver wins, and San Fran-Green bay will be good!
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Posted on Wed Jan 09, 2013 04:25:13
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Damn I'm a little disappointed over the lack of contribution to this thread during the playoffs from the NFC East fans. You guys are better than that! Get your asses on here |
I'm disappointed that the Niners get a playoff game in each conference... thats not FARE!!! Those cheating bastards!!!!!!!
Not sure what you want us to talk about.... Bronco's or Pats make the Super Bowl in the AFC, barring Ray Rice or Torrey Smith putting up godly numbers and the NFC is a crapshoot, like I've said all year. Kap is too fresh and doesn't know how to control a team, Rodgers has NO running game and the Falcons have senior citizens playing WR and TE with an interchangeable running game....
TBH, I see the Seahawks playing the Niners in the NFC Championship and whoever wins that game will lose to the Pats or Bronco's.... The Bronco's have had a lax schedule for the most part and so have the Pats. They will be more healthy than whoever emerges from the SF/SEA game.
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Posted on Wed Jan 09, 2013 06:16:56
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By bosox [278767]
Damn I'm a little disappointed over the lack of contribution to this thread during the playoffs from the NFC East fans. You guys are better than that! Get your asses on here |
I'm disappointed that the Niners get a playoff game in each conference... thats not FARE!!! Those cheating bastards!!!!!!!
Not sure what you want us to talk about.... Bronco's or Pats make the Super Bowl in the AFC, barring Ray Rice or Torrey Smith putting up godly numbers and the NFC is a crapshoot, like I've said all year. Kap is too fresh and doesn't know how to control a team, Rodgers has NO running game and the Falcons have senior citizens playing WR and TE with an interchangeable running game....
TBH, I see the Seahawks playing the Niners in the NFC Championship and whoever wins that game will lose to the Pats or Bronco's.... The Bronco's have had a lax schedule for the most part and so have the Pats. They will be more healthy than whoever emerges from the SF/SEA game. |
if seattle makes it to the super bowl - i wont count them out completely - even though i think denver is taking it all, mainly because if new england plays them it will be in denver and that high altitude is not a figment of your imagination... that shit sucks, probably even more so when it's cold out. I said that if seattle made it past washington it would get interesting... im very interested in the NFC games this week.
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Posted on Wed Jan 09, 2013 14:14:20
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"Griffin has a torn lateral collateral ligament in his right knee, two people familiar with his condition said Tuesday. Experts said he could face a lengthy rehabilitation that might jeopardize his chances of being ready for the start of the 2013 season in September and could keep him sidelined even longer."
--Washington Post
This is why you don't trade away your future for one guy. The NFL is a brutal game. Those future picks are just as important as the present picks, because one never knows what the future will bring.
Again, I say Shanahan should be fired. Snyder should fire himself, because it is the culture of INSTANT GRATIFICATION that he and his henchmen have cultivated for the last 14 years that has enabled idiots like Shanahan to successfully gut this once proud franchise.
The Redskins essentially traded a 10-6 season for the future of this team.
I guarantee you that RG III will never be the same player again.
I hope Seattle or San Fran wins the whole thing... not that I will be paying much attention to be honest, as my appetite for the NFL has been seriously diminished.
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Posted on Wed Jan 09, 2013 15:00:02
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Haha see I knew this would bring out the pessimist that was dying inside of you. It's a tough situation, and probably was handled poorly and could have been avoided. But you have to take risks in the nfl in order to win. It's no coincidence that you guys finally get a QB who other teams respect and who can make plays and you make the playoffs. Sure you found good in Morris but if you subtract griffin then you'd just be a dime a dozen team with a good RB that doesn't produce much else. Look at the teams in the playoffs and the risks they took. 49ers and Seahawks benched their anticipated starting QB in favor of rookies and untested QBs that they drafted, and every other playoff team has a QB who is either elite or who is very solid and top 10. You just can't win in this League without talent at the QB and you either have to stay mediocre or sucking for a decade (see the bills, dolphins, jaguars) or you take he chance and go big. It doesn't always pan out, and it can set a team back, but the redskins have tried working their way around having bad QBs, and what has that gotten you guys? Griffin probaby shouldn't have played that game or sat out when it became clear he was hurting bad, and you guys may have won the division and a playoff game. But to say going big in the draft is a bad idea will just get you where you guys have been for years.
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Posted on Wed Jan 09, 2013 15:26:56
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Haha see I knew this would bring out the pessimist that was dying inside of you. It's a tough situation, and probably was handled poorly and could have been avoided. But you have to take risks in the nfl in order to win. It's no coincidence that you guys finally get a QB who other teams respect and who can make plays and you make the playoffs. Sure you found good in Morris but if you subtract griffin then you'd just be a dime a dozen team with a good RB that doesn't produce much else. Look at the teams in the playoffs and the risks they took. 49ers and Seahawks benched their anticipated starting QB in favor of rookies and untested QBs that they drafted, and every other playoff team has a QB who is either elite or who is very solid and top 10. You just can't win in this League without talent at the QB and you either have to stay mediocre or sucking for a decade (see the bills, dolphins, jaguars) or you take he chance and go big. It doesn't always pan out, and it can set a team back, but the redskins have tried working their way around having bad QBs, and what has that gotten you guys? Griffin probaby shouldn't have played that game or sat out when it became clear he was hurting bad, and you guys may have won the division and a playoff game. But to say going big in the draft is a bad idea will just get you where you guys have been for years. |
If the Redskins were going to go big, then they should have traded the next 100 years worth of draft picks and drafted first for Luck. A guy anybody can see is built to last in the NFL. RG III is a great kid, but he isn't built to last in the NFL. Hell, even Wilson is more stout than RG III.
At any rate, being pessimistic or paranoid doesn't mean I am wrong, and it would seem I was right again.
I will hope for RG III to come back and be a great player, but I certainly have my doubts about it happening.
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Posted on Wed Jan 09, 2013 17:56:18
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I don't think luck is really better than griffin, and there's nothing saying he will continue to vastly improve. Griffin is both the better passer and better mobile QB than luck already, so I think he has the edge. And griffin can last, he just has to put run as his 3rd option and take when the defense gives him 6 yards but not try to be running plays intended for 15 yard gains evey other snap. He has a great RB and som talent on offense. That's just coaching, not the QB.
And what benefit are draft picks other than to draft players. A 4th round guy is just as likely to get injured as a 1st. And it's not as if picks are hard to come by, teams are very willing to trade off a 3rd, 4th, 5th round pick, and since youre so worried about drafting high or moving up, then those early middle rounds are all you need. And there is talent to be had in those rounds, but there's still also a reason why teams are so much more willing to trade lower picks.
Trust me, as a patriots fan, it has been belichicks motto to trade down and find value in the higher rounds, quantity over quality. We've been able to mostly get away with this bcause we have Brady and traded for moss and welker a while back. But it was shitty from 2008-2010 really. But luckily Belichick drafted his high picks and even traded for son picks and what do you know, we got two TEs and a RB that actually produces. You can ony afford to trade down if you have something to fall back on; Washington doesn't and they need to make a big splash and no wonder they won their first division in over a decade. It was just bad luck and poor coaching that caused what happened last Sunday, but even still there's plent of ways to get more picks, and you're in no worse of a position now than you would have been if you kept all your picks and tried finding gold late In the draft for the next 3 years.
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Posted on Thu Jan 10, 2013 01:33:47
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Alright, no one's posting and I'm drunk, so here are my FINAL Divisional Round predictions! With comments, of course, and now FINAL SCORE, because it's that f**king serious.
AFC
New England 34, Houston 23 - Not quite the blowout, and Houston will hang around more, but I think these two teams match up well in favor of the Pats. Schuab is easily unsettled, it seems, and the only good thing this secondary can do is capitalize on nervous QBs throwing errant passes. The Pats have a pretty good D-line and a good run defense, so Schuab may be forced to throw the ball again (and the Pats defense has heated up lately getting to the QB more and playing better in the secondary), so I could easily see a pick or two from Schuab turning this game around. Gronkowski is back, debatable how healthy, but he wasn't there the first meeting with these two, and the Pats just don't typically lose their first playoff game. I doubt it will be 21-0 by the end of the first, but I think Pats play with the lead the whole game and it's never really close in the 2nd half.
Baltimore 20, Broncos 17 - That's right. I'm calling the huge upset. Denver has not played anyone good for about 11 weeks... coincidentally, they have not lost in 11 weeks. Peyton has shown that he chokes in the playoffs, time after time, going 0-1 in 7 of his career 11 playoff appearances, or 64% of the time. Manning has also played in a dome his entire career, and was at home (in the dome) for 6 of his 8 non-Super Bowl playoff wins. In other words... he kind of sucks when it's cold, windy, rainy, etc out. Now he's in Denver, where it will be cold out, facing a Baltimore team that I am starting to give a lot more credit to their QB. Say whatever you want about Flacco, the guy shows up in the post-season. So I'm willing to bet Flacco plays well against the Denver defense, and it's VERY possible that Baltimore flusters manning on D and he throws some picks.
NFC
San Francisco 23, Green Bay 14 - The 49ers defense comes back with a vengeance. Frank Gore looks like Peterson and he racks up 150 yards with a few scores on the weak run defense, and Kaepernick isn't totally clueless like Webb and plays smart and doesn't try his best to turn the ball over every snap. Green Bay has nothing on the ground so they force it through the air, just as the 49ers are hoping, and they bring the heat on Rodgers, forcing him to rely on quick dump passes, as opposed to his high-flying offense. On the road, under pressure and becoming predictable, the Packers will just run into a wall from a much more hungry 49ers team looking to redeem their NFC Championship loss from last season, playing with everything on the line.
Atlanta 27, Seattle 13 - Wilson comes back to Earth on this one, as Ryan finally gets his first victory in January. I think Seattle gets a little too cocky on defense, especially with the very hyped up matchups of Jones/White vs Sherman/Browner. I think Carrol starts to look like the true douchebag-not-very-talented coach that he really is and gets over confident on defense and tries to bring the house often, like they did with Cousins after Griffin went down, and Ryan burns them. People absolutely overlook just how effective Gonzalez has been this year, because of his age, but he put up 930 YD/8 TD on the year very quietly, on top of an ok run game with Turner hitting 800/10 on the ground. Seattle fell behind by 14 QUICK last week and only came back by having the opposing QB tearing up multiple ligaments in his knee and, well, they still just don't have any track record of playing consistently well on the road. Shouldn't be a sloppy game, but I think Ryan has FAR more to prove than Wilson or Seattle does, and it will show. Nothing spectatularly good or bad out the Qbs either. Wouldn't be surprised if Seattle goes for it (and doesn't convert) 4th down once or twice, due to them singing a 38 year old kicker who didn't play at all this season, and who ended 2011 with a 78 FG%.
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Posted on Thu Jan 10, 2013 22:06:13
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ok my turn
New England 24, Houston 17
much closer - new england doesnt put up that many tds on houston
Denver 34, Balt 24
no way denver loses at home to balt
San Francisco 27, Green Bay 24
close game, but SF defense proves to be too much for GB early, GB possibly puts up some late points but not enough
Seattle 20, Atlanta 17
Seattle is that cinderella team, i say they go on to the NFC champ game
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Posted on Fri Jan 11, 2013 02:17:41
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I just don't think Denver winning is that much of a lock. I mean, they've played an easy schedule and Peyton has been more likely to go one and done in the playoffs than he has been to advance a round. Plus Baltimore just always seems to be that surprise team in the AFC that can beat people in the playoffs
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Posted on Fri Jan 11, 2013 02:33:52
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NE wins...Even if they were playing in Houston I would still pick the Pats. I don't trust Houston to stop Brady, or Schaub to step up his play. Foster can't do it all himself.
DEN wins...Game time temps should be in the 20s. You're not in a dome anymore Peyton. But he should be able to scratch out the win with a healthy does of Moreno. I'm taking the Ravens to cover the spread.
GB wins...Numbers don't lie. The SF defense is not the same without J. Smith. Even if he plays, he won't be able to do his usual thing (holding). I don't trust Kaepy to handle the pressure. GB eeks out a win.
Hopefully they beat the crap out of each other...they both want to face:
SEA wins...I expect a shootout. I expect Browner and Ringworm to do their job and limit Jones and White. Problem is going to be whoever lines up in the slot against Trufant, and who covers Gonzalez. Our young LBs are not that great in coverage. Losing Clemons hurts more against the run than the pass. It's time to see what Irvin can do in a full-time role. He's suspect against the run, but he can create some chaos rushing the passer. I don't expect them to tee off like they did against Cousins...two different scenarios. Cousins was a rookie coming into a playoff game. The entire world knew they would bring the heat against him.
Having a new K won't really matter. Pete does some weird stuff when it comes to FGs. If it's longer than 40 yards he'll usually punt. Fourth and short on your opponent's 45 in a close game? Punt it.
The Beast will run wild. I think it comes down to the wire. Something like 34-31.
Here's a little nugget for ya. This is Pat Kirwin of NFL Radio, a few days before the Hawks/Skins game:
"Don't be surprised if Washington marches right down and scores on the opening drive; maybe even their first two drives. Pete Carroll will tell you that Shanahan is probably the best in the business at scripting the first couple drives, and Pete is going to play it close to the vest defensively. He's going to see how Shanahan is attacking first, even if he gets down a couple scores. Then he'll make his adjustments. The key is that Pete has guys--and he's coached this into them--guys who won't panic if they get down one or two scores."
See? It was all planned
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Posted on Fri Jan 11, 2013 03:02:24
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Yeah, and I guess Carroll just happened to take advantage of Griffin playing on one leg and going down with an injury too  If Griffin was healthy, Washington wins that game. And if the SEA/ATL goes to a shootout, I think that heavily favors the Falcons. The Seahakws' only chance at winning is picking Ryan off, getting pressure on him and the secondary limiting big plays. Otherwise, I don't think Seattle can keep up on offense. Even WITH those huge blowouts they put up late in the season, Wilson only finished the year with 3,100 YD, so he does not air the ball out very much, and that's how you win shootouts. Let's keep it in perspective here, Washington was 11th in the NFC in terms of points allowed, while Atlanta is 4th and surrendered almost 100 fewer points on the season. You guys didn't really put up all that many points on Washington, and looked a little lost coming out of the gate. Now add in the fact both Atlanta's offense and defense is much better than Washington, it's another road game AND it's in a dome, and I think there will be too many factors going against the Seahakws. Wilson may get rattled with the extra noise and, like I said, if it goes to a shootout on the road in a loud dome with a good defense... I really can't see Wilson stepping up. Not this time around.
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Posted on Fri Jan 11, 2013 23:43:44
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balt defense is getting old, naturally when u get older, you're lack of endurance shows more... late in the game balt's defense will get tired much quicker than it previously has due to denver's weather conditions/high altitude. Denver will just pound moreno in there all game. He alone will make the balt def tired... and arent they without suggs? either way, denver has a great 1-2 punch with pass game/run game. im sure they will establish the run early, do a play action, wear em down with the run, then throw bombs. I really cant see denver losing this one, and if they do by some act of god, put down BALT to take it all.
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Posted on Sat Jan 12, 2013 16:58:46
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I think Suggs is playing. It's possible they get tired from the combination of their age and altitude, but Moreno isn't really anything special of a RB. He lost his starting job in Denver to McGahee and has never rushed for 1,000 yards in his four year career. I think Baltimore shouldn't have a problem stopping him, and if that's what the game comes down to for Denver, they lose. If Peyton can wear them out for three quarters and they go up by two 14 points late, then it's possible Moreno is good enough to at least kill clock, but he's averaging less than 4 yards/carry this season (even 4 for his career), so he's not even that great at that. Plus, I'm telling you, and this is coming from a Pats fan who hates the Ravens, Flacco has earned my respect. He doesn't really play well or do much in the regular season but he steps up in the playoffs. His first five playoff games he was young (a rookie for his first AFC championship appearance), but since then he has actually been pretty effective. And I'm telling you, don't underestimate the fact Manning is also outside in the cold now and has a history of showing up weak in the playoffs. People completely disregard the fact Peyton Manning has been much more likely to go one and done in the playoffs than he has been to advance one round: 64% of his playoff seasons have ended in the first game.
I took Baltimore to cover though, put my biggest bet of the week on them at +9.5. I think they should absolutely at least be able to cover, but I give them very much a fighting chance to actually win this game.
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Posted on Sun Jan 13, 2013 01:38:59
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It's 1:35am, overtime still going... best game I can seem to recall that I've watched (although the time may be fogging my memory a little) and I must say, no matter the outcome, I've gained a huge amount of respect for Flacco. Never really thought much of him, and read things about him such as "Flukeo" and stuff like that, but he's outshone Manning today, even if he loses tonight.
1:48!  Ravens win! Manning bottled it.
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Posted on Sun Jan 13, 2013 02:14:22
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I don't like the Bronco's and glad to see Flacco win.
WOOOOHOOOO!!!
Pack muffs a punt and 9er's recover!! YES! 1st and goal. Go 9ers!
edit: TD! This is looking to be just as good a game as the Bronco/Raven game.
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Posted on Sun Jan 13, 2013 02:18:35
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Ravens and Broncos was one of the best games ive watched. Hard fought win for Baltimore
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Posted on Sun Jan 13, 2013 02:25:33
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That game was amazing. 3 td's scored within 2 minutes? wow.
haha. picked! Yes, Aaron, we're so sorry we passed on you...rofl!
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Posted on Sun Jan 13, 2013 03:37:02
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Ravens broncos game was a good watch even though I'm a steelers fan would like to see the ravens win it just for Ray Lewis.
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Posted on Sun Jan 13, 2013 04:00:20
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The 9er packer game is pretty good too. 24-38 9er's winning. Packer's have the ball and moving it down the field.
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Posted on Sun Jan 13, 2013 04:18:30
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I hope Atlanta wins. AFC doesn't matter. NFC is going to win the Super Bowl.
edit: How awesome is that Kaepernick hunk? grrrowwwl (that was a cougar sound)
edit2: just reminded that it's a happy day in the Harbaugh family! Both brothers won today!
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Posted on Sun Jan 13, 2013 07:20:33
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I wouldn't say the AFC winner doesn't matter. Don't sleep on the patriots just yet. They have a shot if they win tonorrow of hosting the conference game.
Also what is this soft fan stuff? A steelers can hoping the ravens win it all? Ill give sekhmet half a pass since its your teams' coach's brother in the other conference but that's still weak sort of.
And you're welcom if anyone followed me on the ravens pick. I told you all that they were a serious threat to win outright, Nevermind cover the big spread. Peyton chokes himself out of the playoffs year after year, now for the 8th time going one and done. That's just not good, however you wantto slice it, Luke.
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Posted on Sun Jan 13, 2013 09:46:33
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Granted Peyton threw the OT interception, but seriously, Rahim Moore isn't being blamed for that game?
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Posted on Sun Jan 13, 2013 19:42:17
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this is sad... someone needs to put a bounty on that niners qb - guy has no class, at one point in the game i saw him talking trash to a coach on the gb sideline... i mean u expect that shit from the classless defensive players (more common) - but a f**king QB??? smh... i hope someone breaks his f**kin legs, ends his career. real talk.
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Posted on Sun Jan 13, 2013 21:17:36
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What a crazy end that was to the SEA-ATL game. Looked like the pressure got to Ryan, but he managed to get it done in the end. Credit should go to Wilson though.
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Posted on Sun Jan 13, 2013 21:46:25
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What a crazy end that was to the SEA-ATL game. Looked like the pressure got to Ryan, but he managed to get it done in the end. Credit should go to Wilson though. |
yeah, great game!
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Posted on Sun Jan 13, 2013 22:14:41
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wow
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Posted on Sun Jan 13, 2013 23:56:36
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i think im gunna be rooting for the patriots this year... never thought id say that - i mean i dont hate balt - but i do hate ray lewis - dude belongs in a jail cell (he helped murder 2 people in 2000 after superbowl party)... and the rest of the teams i just dislike. It's almost sacrilegious for me to root for brady and the pats, but unless i just stop watching football, my options are severely limited
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Posted on Mon Jan 14, 2013 03:11:56
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Only started following the NFL this year I'm from the UK, I had watched some superbowls before and odd matches and the steelers had won the first superbowl I watched. So I decided to follow them. So not really a die hard fan as the main sport I follow is English football (Soccer).
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Posted on Mon Jan 14, 2013 05:38:43
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Well, as much as I didn't give the Ravens any chance all season, I guess I'm not terribly shocked we find ourselves with a rematch of last year's AFC title game. I said from the preseason that the AFC was going to be weak this year, and the two teams that were on top of the conference last year are once again battling it out. Great showing by the Pats today though, and good to see the defense came out strong for most of the game again. Still wish we could limit the big passing plays, but at this point I don't see much changing. I do think this defense is much improved from the previous few years though, despite people using total yards allowed. Still ranks great in takeaways and scoring, and was something like 7th overall for points allowed. Whatever, I'll take it. Plus, we had Brady rise to the occasion today as well. Nice when he's connecting with Welker early and often. And to be honest, this injury to Gronkowski doesn't really worry me as much as it did six weeks ago. This team has learned how to play without him, and pretty effectively. Also, I think it's even possible we are better off just having him completely out and game planning without him in the picture than we are with a 50% healthy Gronkowski, like we saw in the Super Bowl last year and, to some extent, the season finale two weeks ago. So long as we have Welker and Hernandez getting open, defenses will have to respect that and we have Lloyd as a pretty solid 3rd option, with a better run game than we've had in years.
As for Seattle/Atlanta, not super surprised there either. Seattle showed some balls coming back being down 20 in the 4th, but too little too late. That's what happens when you fall behind big midway through. They have promise going forward in the coming years, but they will just have to figure out how to consistently win on the road. The Falcons didn't really look great either. Started off hot, but it's really inexcusable to allow what they almost allowed, and I think it would have cost people their job on the coaching staff had they lost. Ryan still looked flustered and for scoring a decent amount of points, they really should have had the game in the bag. But a win's a win, and they now get the right to host the 49ers next week.
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