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Posted on Thu Jan 03, 2013 14:52:11
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By hawky [1617517]
Is Garrett going to be fired? Sounds like Jerry has had enough. |
I hope so. As a Redskins fan, I wish nothing but chaos and misery for the Cowboys.
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Posted on Thu Jan 03, 2013 19:46:21
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RG3 !!! All day. His skill set is of the greats, passing and rushing. This is related to any Qb out there.
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Posted on Thu Jan 03, 2013 20:11:52
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RG3 !!! All day. His skill set is of the greats, passing and rushing. This is related to any Qb out there. |
RGIII's a bitch...
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Posted on Thu Jan 03, 2013 23:01:03
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I think griffin is the real deal, and I'd take him over Luck. I know the difference in attempts is significant, and how many more yards Luck has, but Luck also has far more INTs and a much worse CMP% than Griffin, and very close in passing TDs. I don't really care that much for the rushing stats, as I still don't believe a rushing QB is going to do great things in the NFL, but I think there is so much raw talent for Griffin that he can transition into a very good passer, running in spots when necessary like Rodgers does.
Going forward, I think Griffin looks like the better QB to have. Luck could go the way of Newton next season, unless he starts cutting down on his rookie mistakes.; whereas Griffin has already barely made mistakes, won a critical playoff-type game and can focus on gradually increasing his passing load as he progresses.
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Posted on Fri Jan 04, 2013 03:36:44
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By bosox [278767]
I think griffin is the real deal, and I'd take him over Luck. I know the difference in attempts is significant, and how many more yards Luck has, but Luck also has far more INTs and a much worse CMP% than Griffin, and very close in passing TDs. I don't really care that much for the rushing stats, as I still don't believe a rushing QB is going to do great things in the NFL, but I think there is so much raw talent for Griffin that he can transition into a very good passer, running in spots when necessary like Rodgers does.
Going forward, I think Griffin looks like the better QB to have. Luck could go the way of Newton next season, unless he starts cutting down on his rookie mistakes.; whereas Griffin has already barely made mistakes, won a critical playoff-type game and can focus on gradually increasing his passing load as he progresses. |
Griffin has a 1600 yard rusher in Alfred Morris, plus 2/3 of his important passing statistics coming out of the play action, plus he doesn't have a top 5 worst offensive... Can you imagine what luck's stats would be like if he could actually step into a throw *cough* *cough* 70 yard touchdown on 3 and 23 *cough*
Of course Andrew's going to have a lower completion percentage and more turnovers when he's constantly being hit, or scrambling to extend the play, or having his 4 rookie targets drop passes or throwing the ball something like 3rd most in the NFL... I do however think that the 6 4th quarter game winning drives and the 8-1 record in games being decided by 7 points or less, speak for themselves.
I actually found this after I originally posted, but it pretty much says a lot of the same things I said...
espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/45803/page/superdome2013/on-luck-when-he-can-step-into-throws
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Posted on Fri Jan 04, 2013 19:33:31
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Damnit, I am so tired of hearing people always blame everything else when their QB doesn't play well. It's not always the o-line's fault! And if the defense knows the QB gets flustered and throws picks, they will pressure the o-line. It's a two-way street. Sooner or later you guys will all accept this fact, and you'll all stop blaming everything else in the world. Luck played pretty good this year, but not elite. Why can't you just accept that? It's not as if the Redskins were a great team before Griffin got there, or that he has any incredible offensive talent around him.
And congratulations, I guess, when your QB can step into a throw and has everything going good for him on a play, he can make a big play. You can only say that about..... 28 of the other QBs in this league probably
Griffin Luck
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Posted on Fri Jan 04, 2013 23:31:48
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By bosox [278767]
Damnit, I am so tired of hearing people always blame everything else when their QB doesn't play well. It's not always the o-line's fault! And if the defense knows the QB gets flustered and throws picks, they will pressure the o-line. It's a two-way street. Sooner or later you guys will all accept this fact, and you'll all stop blaming everything else in the world. Luck played pretty good this year, but not elite. Why can't you just accept that? It's not as if the Redskins were a great team before Griffin got there, or that he has any incredible offensive talent around him.
And congratulations, I guess, when your QB can step into a throw and has everything going good for him on a play, he can make a big play. You can only say that about..... 28 of the other QBs in this league probably
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It's easy for you to say when your team doesn't have a God awful offensive line... You're telling me that Tom Brady would have the legendary stats he does if his offense line was giving up 41 sacks annually and constantly getting hit as he throws?
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Posted on Sat Jan 05, 2013 02:04:42
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I'm telling you that Tom Brady helps make life easier for the offensive line. Most teams aren't willing to blitz or bring many LBs in to rush because they know Brady will probably pick them apart. And it's not like the pats have many great o-linemen the past few years, between a center going down all last year, shuffling of left and right guards, injuries to them and one of our best pro bowl O-linemen holding out for half the season last year or the year before, I forget.
I just hate how people think that problems their team has are any different than any problems they have. Sometimes the difference is just talent and coaching, not excuses.
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Posted on Sat Jan 05, 2013 02:38:23
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By bosox [278767]
I'm telling you that Tom Brady helps make life easier for the offensive line. Most teams aren't willing to blitz or bring many LBs in to rush because they know Brady will probably pick them apart. And it's not like the pats have many great o-linemen the past few years, between a center going down all last year, shuffling of left and right guards, injuries to them and one of our best pro bowl O-linemen holding out for half the season last year or the year before, I forget.
I just hate how people think that problems their team has are any different than any problems they have. Sometimes the difference is just talent and coaching, not excuses. |
You think Andrew Luck lacks talent? AND coaching? No...
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Posted on Sat Jan 05, 2013 02:52:37
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I think Luck is a rookie and he looked like it sometimes this season. He had a pretty good year, but, unlike other people, I'm not ready to put him in the HOF yet. And I wouldn't call the Colts' coaching staff anything extraordinary. Pageno was a former defensive coach/coordinator in his last NFL job, so I don't think he is anything amazing with QB coaching, beyond what any other coach in the NFL could do.
What I'm saying is I'm tired of people blaming every other aspect of the team when their QB looks bad. Maybe if this was Luck's 5th season, he had developed better chemistry with his team, had the playbook developed more around him specifically, had a solid feel of the pocket, got familiar with NFL defenses, etc. then maybe he wouldn't have thrown 18 INTs and completed only 54% of his passes and play terrible on the road. Does he have different offensive linemen when he plays at home vs the road? Or is it the fact he is a rookie QB and he gets flustered like most other rookie QBs do, and that he will improve over time and there's no need to think something is horribly wrong with your oline.
Or you can be like Tony Romo apologists who will blame the location of a geostationary satellite before they would blame Romo for doing anything stupid.
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Posted on Sat Jan 05, 2013 04:26:00
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| Or is it the fact he is a rookie QB and he gets flustered like most other rookie QBs do, and that he will improve over time and there's no need to think something is horribly wrong with your oline. |
Fair point...
| Does he have different offensive linemen when he plays at home vs the road? |
With injuries, position shifts, and free agent signings- that's fairly accurate!
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Posted on Sat Jan 05, 2013 18:28:16
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Again, welcome to the NFL. Injuries, position shuffling, free agents... they're all part of the everyday life for every top seed in the playoffs, so I still don't see what reason there is to think the Colts and Luck are any different
I'm readyyyy for some fooootballl!! It's too bad the Cowboys fans on this site will now stop posting, and El's Giants are out so I don't know how much he'll post now, seeing as he rarely does anyways. Guess it's just going to be Spazzy, Hawky, Steve and myself for these next few games.... with maybe an appearances from Sekhment and Chit every now and then.
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Posted on Sat Jan 05, 2013 21:51:59
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Gooo Texans!
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Posted on Sun Jan 06, 2013 14:33:41
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Gooo Texans! |
good Luck... No matter what happens at 1 pm today, the Texans are pretty much f**ked...
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Posted on Sun Jan 06, 2013 16:45:36
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Off to a horrible start, quality wise. First 2 games were awful to watch.
How does Joe Webb have a job? He was awful.
I don't think they'll win, but Indy +8 was too good to pass up.
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Posted on Sun Jan 06, 2013 17:08:50
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B.A. now in the hospital, WTF?!?
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Posted on Sun Jan 06, 2013 17:10:14
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Alright, just the flu, whew!!!
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Posted on Sun Jan 06, 2013 22:53:08
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These games have been a little underwhelming so far, with the exception of the SEA/WAS game right now. Looks like we all got the HOU/NE match up everyone expected at the beginning of the year, just a round earlier than we thought it would be.
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Posted on Sun Jan 06, 2013 23:59:15
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Andrew luck set another rookie record, this time it's most attempts in a playoff game... Jesus f**k...
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Posted on Mon Jan 07, 2013 00:09:30
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Well... I dunno how it usually works in NFL, but RG3 was clearly struggling for most of the game, and now he's completely crumbled onto the floor, surely he should've been replaced much earlier? o.o
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Posted on Mon Jan 07, 2013 00:37:12
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Well Griffin is what got them to this point, and it's the playoffs so there's no other games to save him for. If it was the middle of the regular season, he would have probably sat entirely and not played at all. But seeing as his next game wont be until a meaningless preseason game in August, they were probably willing to push him a little more. QBs are pretty irreplaceable, and play every offensive snap of the game unless injured to the point where they can't. Most other positions get subbed in and out for different packages, rest or injury, and it's not a big deal, but doing so with a QB is usually throwing in the towel.
Now that round 1 is in the books, I have to say there was some pretty uninspiring football. The teams everyone thought would win did, though I thought there would be some upsets. Either way, still not sold on Seattle and I don't think Baltimore has much of a future in the playoffs... though, Peyton Manning has been known to go one and done pretty frequently, so I guess you can't ever really put that past him...
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Posted on Mon Jan 07, 2013 02:54:42
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Redkins, wtf?
Shanahan should be fired for the way he managed RG III. He is a 60 plus year old man, who should have seen that the kid he used three draft picks on was struggling to even walk much less run or throw. Shanahan has never won crap without having a good QB who would die to stay on the field. I never liked Shanahan. Never wanted him as coach of the Redskins, and I truly wish he would get fired. Of course a 22 year old kid is going to want to stay in the game, but isn't that what they pay Shanahan millions of dollars a year for? To be the mature one? For f**ks sake, I could see from 40 miles away Griffin was hurting, but Shanahan not only left him in the game, he let his son keep calling runs for Griffin. The both of them should be shown the door. Gruden, or Cowher... both are available.
Cousins better be a reliable backup, because RG III won't make it for 3 years at this rate.
The 'Skins did better than I had hoped, but only because RG III wrecked himself to make it happen.
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Posted on Mon Jan 07, 2013 03:01:41
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By MachineGunSteve [184119]
Redkins, wtf?
Shanahan should be fired for the way he managed RG III. He is a 60 plus year old man, who should have seen that the kid he used three draft picks on was struggling to even walk much less run or throw. Shanahan has never won crap without having a good QB who would die to stay on the field. I never liked Shanahan. Never wanted him as coach of the Redskins, and I truly wish he would get fired. Of course a 22 year old kid is going to want to stay in the game, but isn't that what they pay Shanahan millions of dollars a year for? To be the mature one? For f**ks sake, I could see from 40 miles away Griffin was hurting, but Shanahan not only left him in the game, he let his son keep calling runs for Griffin. The both of them should be shown the door. Gruden, or Cowher... both are available.
Cousins better be a reliable backup, because RG III won't make it for 3 years at this rate.
The 'Skins did better than I had hoped, but only because RG III wrecked himself to make it happen. |
I was about to post the same thing it was stupid risking an already injured rookie that the doctor didnt even clear to play a game. Stupid redskins, stupid coaching staff
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Posted on Mon Jan 07, 2013 04:13:30
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Go Hawks!
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Posted on Mon Jan 07, 2013 04:15:15
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Pete Carrol still is the biggest douchebag in the NFL, possibly only second behind Jim Irsay. But he's easily the biggest douchebag coach.
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Posted on Mon Jan 07, 2013 04:37:43
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That would be Jimmy Harbaugh lol.
Russell Wilson has more playoff wins than Matt Ryan
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Posted on Mon Jan 07, 2013 08:03:38
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By MachineGunSteve [184119]
Redkins, wtf?
Shanahan should be fired for the way he managed RG III. He is a 60 plus year old man, who should have seen that the kid he used three draft picks on was struggling to even walk much less run or throw. Shanahan has never won crap without having a good QB who would die to stay on the field. I never liked Shanahan. Never wanted him as coach of the Redskins, and I truly wish he would get fired. Of course a 22 year old kid is going to want to stay in the game, but isn't that what they pay Shanahan millions of dollars a year for? To be the mature one? For f**ks sake, I could see from 40 miles away Griffin was hurting, but Shanahan not only left him in the game, he let his son keep calling runs for Griffin. The both of them should be shown the door. Gruden, or Cowher... both are available.
Cousins better be a reliable backup, because RG III won't make it for 3 years at this rate.
The 'Skins did better than I had hoped, but only because RG III wrecked himself to make it happen. |
Should have figured Shanahan was too old school and too much of a hardass. He IS the same coach who kept Terrell Davis in games when he couldn't even see the field because of migraines. Shanahan f**ked you guys because he was reliving his Elway days, when S's, CB's and LB's weighed 50lb's less and ran 40's in the 5-6 range instead of 4's. Both Shanihan's over thought and abused RG3. Cousins should have been in in the second quarter the first time RG went down hard, but they were ALL too stubborn.
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Posted on Mon Jan 07, 2013 14:43:08
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By MachineGunSteve [184119]
Redkins, wtf?
Shanahan should be fired for the way he managed RG III. He is a 60 plus year old man, who should have seen that the kid he used three draft picks on was struggling to even walk much less run or throw. Shanahan has never won crap without having a good QB who would die to stay on the field. I never liked Shanahan. Never wanted him as coach of the Redskins, and I truly wish he would get fired. Of course a 22 year old kid is going to want to stay in the game, but isn't that what they pay Shanahan millions of dollars a year for? To be the mature one? For f**ks sake, I could see from 40 miles away Griffin was hurting, but Shanahan not only left him in the game, he let his son keep calling runs for Griffin. The both of them should be shown the door. Gruden, or Cowher... both are available.
Cousins better be a reliable backup, because RG III won't make it for 3 years at this rate.
The 'Skins did better than I had hoped, but only because RG III wrecked himself to make it happen. |
Should have figured Shanahan was too old school and too much of a hardass. He IS the same coach who kept Terrell Davis in games when he couldn't even see the field because of migraines. Shanahan f**ked you guys because he was reliving his Elway days, when S's, CB's and LB's weighed 50lb's less and ran 40's in the 5-6 range instead of 4's. Both Shanihan's over thought and abused RG3. Cousins should have been in in the second quarter the first time RG went down hard, but they were ALL too stubborn. |
Yeap!
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Posted on Mon Jan 07, 2013 17:04:34
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Alright! Early first look at the Divisional Round! This time, the games get EXPLANATIONS and SCORES! Ya hoooo!
AFC
New England 37, San Francisco 24 - Wont be as lopsided as before, but this Houston team really didn't even look good in their win on Saturday, and haven't looked good since the Pats handed their asses to them in Week 14. Schuab should be able to score more points, as a guy like Johnson will always scare me with the Pats secondary, despite the fact they have looked better as time went on, they still don't instill much confidence. I figure Schuab will throw some picks and the Pats may get some extra pressure on Schuab to make up for the fact it wont be another first half shutout this time around, but should still be a comfortable W for the Patriots.
Denver 21, Baltimore 14 - Honestly, I really want to pick Baltimore on this one. Peyton has a history of losing his first playoff game (7 times total), so I'd never put that past him. Baltimore's defense has also been looking much better than most people figured it would, and I guess I just have to start giving Flacco a little more respect than I do, seeing as 4/5 of his last playoff games he's posted a rating between 92 and 125 and has been 9/1 with TD/INT over all 5 of those games. He does seem to step it up in the post-season, but I think Baltimore is going to have a tough time playing in Denver, especially with aging parts of their defense also being banged up, and Denver actually having a legit defense, unlike many of Manning's Colts teams over the years. Not a very wild game, and I expect both teams to look unimpressive for much of the game, but I see Denver being able to walk out of there.
NFC
San Francisco 27, Green Bay 13 - I think given the rest and time to scout, SF's defense comes out making a statement. They aren't as bad as they've looked, and 1 guy isn't the difference between surrendering the leagues fewest points and surrendering 110 points over 3 games, and seeing as they finished with 273 allowed on the entire season, that's almost HALF of their total points allowed all year. I think they bounce back, and GB's defense isn't really anything intimidating, apart from Matthews. GB has no run game and will be forced to throw, and SF should have a field day with GB running predictable sets.
Atlanta 20, Seattle 13 - Seattle's run comes to an end, on the road, and Ryan getslimps over the hump. Should be low scoring on both sides, but I'll take ATL's offense to put up a few more points than Wilson and Seattle. Would not surprise me if most of the points scored come off turnovers. There's really not much else to say about these two teams, as I don't think either are as good as they appear.
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Posted on Tue Jan 08, 2013 22:08:48
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Damn I'm a little disappointed over the lack of contribution to this thread during the playoffs from the NFC East fans. You guys are better than that! Get your asses on here
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