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Posted on Tue Aug 14, 2012 21:47:57
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104 and 119 are "anything but a good QB"? Alrighty then... no point discussing something with someone who's clearly got their blinders on... |
Yes, his rating alone in those two seasons out of his entire 6 seasons, 33% of the time, he had a good QB rating, but still never had a winning record. And the other 4 seasons he has played he has either been out or posting below average ratings. Sometime's it's easy to look good as a QB when you're losing in garbage time and you're constantly losing games in the 4th quarter and have no other option but to throw in order to win. Because I don't get it, isn't the Cowboys team the same team in December as it is during the rest of the season? And before you tell me some injuries to other players, let me say "welcome to the NFL." So don't even try with the injury excuse. Fact is, year after year, Romo loses games in December, and 4 out of the 6 years he has either not played or been just an average to below average Qb in those times. In the only two seasons where he had a good rating, he still did not have a winning record.
Any way you slice it, Romo is ANYTHING but dependable in the clutch. Because its not just a one or two or three year thing, it's a 6 year running pattern where the QB cannot win games. Whoever he has on the O_line, whoever he has as RB, whoever he has as WR, he cannot win games in December, and it's always, of course, everyone else on the team's fault. Can't possibly assess any of the blame on him, right?
That is the problem I have with Romo fans. They have an excuse for every single bad throw Romo has ever made, but claim he is one of the leagues' best QBs whenever he has a good game.
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Posted on Tue Aug 14, 2012 21:56:01
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Flacco isn't the QB he thinks he is |
Funny you are so critical of Flacco, but praise Romo. A comparison?
Tony Romo's stats in his first 4 years of starting:
38-17, 63.4% CMP, 1,500 yards, 107 TD, 55 INT, 95.6 rating, 1-3 playoff record, 1 division round appearance
Joe Flacco's stats in his first 4 years of starting:
44-20, 60.8%, 1,380 yards, 80 TD, 46 INT, 86 rating, 4-3 playoff record, 2 AFC Championship game appearances.
To be honest, Flacco isn't really much behind your boy Romo; has thrown less picks, more playoff wins, not many less yards overall, and is doing this on a defense first, run second, throw third team. Yet we all agree Flacco more or less sucks as a QB and is certainly not what we all thought he might be, but you believe Romo is a great QB?
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Posted on Tue Aug 14, 2012 23:45:57
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Flacco isn't the QB he thinks he is |
Funny you are so critical of Flacco, but praise Romo. A comparison?
Tony Romo's stats in his first 4 years of starting:
38-17, 63.4% CMP, 1,500 yards, 107 TD, 55 INT, 95.6 rating, 1-3 playoff record, 1 division round appearance
Joe Flacco's stats in his first 4 years of starting:
44-20, 60.8%, 1,380 yards, 80 TD, 46 INT, 86 rating, 4-3 playoff record, 2 AFC Championship game appearances.
To be honest, Flacco isn't really much behind your boy Romo; has thrown less picks, more playoff wins, not many less yards overall, and is doing this on a defense first, run second, throw third team. Yet we all agree Flacco more or less sucks as a QB and is certainly not what we all thought he might be, but you believe Romo is a great QB? |
The difference is Romo hasn't come out and called himself the best QB in the league. Call Romo what you will but the man is humble and doesn't pretend to be something he's not.
You're also comparing 64 games to 55 games and in 9 less games Romo has 27 more TD's and alot more yards.
But again, I see no point in debating with you. No matter what stats or facts are thrown at you you twist a different stat into the argument and think you know best, ignoring everything that doesn't suit your opinion. In one argument, stats will be all that matters and in the next only playoffs and Super Bowls matter, then you'll have some kind of mix of both but only use stats that you like. You are the Ted Thomas of football debate....
Romo can't control the kicking game or the defense letting up 2+ scores in the 4th quarter, just as Brady can't control not sacking Eli or Welker dropping a ball. When our defense is letting Kolb and Sanchez look like all-pro's in the 4th, you can't hold that against Romo... but you will, somehow.
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Romo may be humble, but Dallas fans are not. He has been a good QB overall, definitely above average, but the stats do not lie. Romo does not win late in the season and does not win in the playoffs. In his 6 years as a starter he has only twice posted very good passer ratings.... which, as I said, can be questioned because he's lost most of those late season games he's ever played, so some of those yards he put up in those losses are just garbage yards or otherwise desperation ones. It is not an opinion, it is a fact. Romo has a losing record in December, and the only possible logical solution is "the rest of the team, and the constantly evolving cast of players around him over his career are always the problems."
And Brady may not be able to control the defense not getting to Eli but I am also not delusional and realize that Brady putting up 14 and 17 points in the past two Super Bowls is really not acceptable. For some reason, Patriots fans can admit that is very subpar, whereas if that evvverrr had happened to Romo, Dallas fans would literally never live it down and would refuse to ever admit fault with Romo.
And you want some MORE cold hard facts? The final 4 losses of the 2010 season, which sytretched over the last 5 weeks, the defense allowed 19 points, 34, 20, and 31 points while Romo only put up less than 15 points in three of those games, including 7 against Philly. In 2009 the defense allowed 20 or less points in all 4 final games of the season, including two shutouts, so Romo won 3 of those last 4, but your defense you bash was pitching shutouts in back to back weeks there. IS that what Romo needs? You'd have to go back until 2008 before you really start to see the defense letting the team down, yet he won a late season game because the defense allowed only 8 points. Seems most of this late season wins have to come when the defense plays incredible, and he can't win in a shootout or a moderately high scoring game. It's a fact, not an opinion.
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Posted on Wed Aug 15, 2012 06:06:37
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Garbage yards? Like you're idol Brady running up the score against inferior teams which is his entire division and "somehow" the majority of his schedule in his entire career?... Don't talk to me about garbage yards.... Brady and Bellicheat are the kings of running up stats so kiss my ass in those regards. You know it, I know it, the world knows it... Brady is an elite QB I admit, but f**k you for talking about inflated stats.
Your second paragraph is so delusional I don't know if I'd rather hit you or commit you.... Patriots fans NEVER admit that ANYTHING Brady does is subpar.... Snap back into reality you delusional ass.... Your spent 3 pages defending Brady and bashing the best WR in your teams history just to protect your crybaby QB... f**k off with your holier than thou bullshit...
As far as your third column goes....you are abundantly full of shit and I would gladly throw some stats and facts your way to prove it, but what does it matter? Apparently you have an unhealthy bias against Romo and nothing I say will change that... so whats the point? Romo could go 475/500 throw 5,868 yards throw 56TD's and 5 INTS and YOU would still say he sucks..... He could throw 6 TD's in a playoff game and if our defence gives up 7 TD's YOU will claim Romo choked.... It's true and you know it... If ANYONE talks about their QB then YOU compare them to your overrated golden boy.... Give it a f**king rest you self righteous prick.... Brady has benefited from a shitty ass division and you know it.
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Posted on Wed Aug 15, 2012 06:24:28
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But again, I see no point in debating with you. No matter what stats or facts are thrown at you you twist a different stat into the argument and think you know best, ignoring everything that doesn't suit your opinion. In one argument, stats will be all that matters and in the next only playoffs and Super Bowls matter, then you'll have some kind of mix of both but only use stats that you like. You are the Ted Thomas of football debate.... |
Ain't that the truth...
When it came to the end of ours, the only arguments he had for Tom Brady being better than Peyton: superbowl wins, (two of which were won by Vinatieri. On top of the fact that he shouldn't have appeared in one of them...) And regular/post season record... Oh boy!
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Posted on Wed Aug 15, 2012 06:41:09
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But again, I see no point in debating with you. No matter what stats or facts are thrown at you you twist a different stat into the argument and think you know best, ignoring everything that doesn't suit your opinion. In one argument, stats will be all that matters and in the next only playoffs and Super Bowls matter, then you'll have some kind of mix of both but only use stats that you like. You are the Ted Thomas of football debate.... |
Ain't that the truth...
When it came to the end of ours, the only arguments he had for Tom Brady being better than Peyton: superbowl wins, (two of which were won by Vinatieri. On top of the fact that he shouldn't have appeared in one of them...) And regular/post season record... Oh boy! |
Of course a fan boy with a winning record who represents the least competitive division in the league will talk about playoff births... The Jets, Bills and Dolphins have been laughing stalks of the NFL since forever except the last 3 years. Until Bledsoe came around that divisions only claim to fame in the modern era since the 14-0 Dolpins was the Bills losing 4 straight Super Bowls... oh yeah there was that one guy who broke a shit load of records... I think his name was Man Darino? OH who cares, he didn't win a Super Bowl so he doesn't count, so we should praise people like Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson right? They have rings so the rest don't count, right? Hell, the Ravens and Bucs didn't cheat and/or rely on FG's to win so I guess they are better QB's than Brady, right?
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Didn't the 14-0 dolphins happen in like the '70s?!?
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Difference between Brady and Romo? Brady throws for 50 TDs, 5,200 yards, is a 3x champion, and has 2 MVPs. Nothing wrong with racking up stats, but if you're going to do it, do it big. Romo does not do anything that can be said in the same sentence as Romo. It is a disgrace to the NFl for you to even compare the two players. And for the record, the 2007 season the Pats played was one of the hardest on record. Look it up. By the end of the year, that 2007 Pats team played the hardest schedule of the year, and played 6 playoff teams, two of which we played again in the playoffs. So let's not try to compare ANYTHING Romo has or will do to anything the Patriots and Brady has already done. End of debate there.
And I believe Pats fans have every right to put Brady in the debate of "best ever," that is not being delusional, it is being real. Nobody ever said Brady made a perfect throw, but people do say Welker has and should have caught that pass. That is also fact. However, when Brady plays shitty, such as in the 2009 and 10 playoffs and the 2011 AFC Champ. game, no one came to his defense. We trashed him for playing shitty. Something that every Dallas fan is seemingly incapable of doing to Romo.
As for your whole "stats and facts are too definitive, so I'll just use subjective opinions" statement, that's pretty weak. I provided you cold hard STATS that show Romo in 4/6 years had either not played or played below average in December, and that in the two good years he had his team defense played incredible, pitching shutouts and allowing a pair of touchdowns. That is not "good defense," that is great defense in those wins. Apparently Romo needs a stellar defensive performance to ever win, and yet he has still never had a winning December, and definitely not ever had ANY playoff success. These are all FACTS, backed up with STATS, they are not opinions.
Romo WILL NEVER THROW 6 TDS IN A PLAYOFF GAME. Take that to the bank. He will NEVER throw 6 TDs in a game, either. I give respect when respect is due, and if Romo went out, threw for 4,500 yards, 40 TDs, and took his team to the NFC game this year I'd say he had one damn good year and I take it all back. But ROMO WILL NOT DO THAT. Want to bet? I'll bet right now if you'll take it. And damn right I compare QBs against Brady, as it should be. Brady is an all-time elite QB who has had great success in both the regular season and playoffs. That is NOT a debate, that is fact.
if you'd like to talk spygate, by all means I'm ready, but I know you will not actually talk, but if you care: If the "spygate" myths were true, why wasn't Brady putting up 50 TDs in 2001-2004? Do you know what the tapes were? Of course not. I'll explain. They were defensive signals. Those are the only tapes accused and only tapes surfaced. So what does that mean? Brady should have had an advantage, meaning he should have been putting up 50 TDs in those years, since he "knew" what was coming. Ironically, the Pats were an incredible defensive team in the earl 2000s, and simply a clutch offensive team. So does that mean tha majority of the time Belichick was not using the wisdom gained from the tapes to win games back then, and just decided to break them out when it was 3rd and short in the Super Bowl? Or does that mean they were not that much of an advantage. Did you knwo you are not only allowed, but privided by the NFL an "all 22" view? Not only can you use this after each week, but also during the games. Ever seen the photos the players and coahces are looking at in game on the sidelines? What do you think they mean when they say "review film?" The Pats videotaped coaches defensive hand singals and then taped the defensive set up. The defensive set up is already allowed by the NFL, and the coaches hand signals either change each week or are clearly visible from anywhere in the stadium. Technically it was illegal, but realistically it added very little competitive advantage. But I know you have no wish to talk about spygate with any facts or intelligence, so I'll leave you to that.
Also, it's funny how absolutely critical you are of SUPER BOWL victories, yet you are ready to hand Romo "elite status" and give him the benefit of the doubt every time.
Tom Brady in his three Super Bowl wins: A rating of 100 and 110 in '03 and '04, and a rating of 86 in '01. Passed for 354 yards in '03 and a 6-1 TD/INT ratio. In his two SB losses, he has a rating of 82 and 91, with a 3-1 TD/INT ratio, passing for over 250 yards in each. He has put up ratings of 130, 140, and 137 in three different playoff games, and threw for 3 or mroe TDs in 4 playoff games, including a Super Bowl and includng 6 in a playoff game last season.
Do yourself a favor, don't mention Romo with Brady in the same breath again, and save that comparison and speculation for whether or not Brady is or will be better than Montana. Let's not forget, Montana never threw for 4,000 yards, a career best 31 TDs, and won two of his SBs by 4 points, and has 1 more ring than Brady. For now, I will say Montana is better, but the book is open, and lets' all please realize Brady is one of the greatest QBs you will ever see play... and again, do not mention him with Romo ever again.
If it's so easy to win Super Bowls, let's see Romo just win one, and THEN we can compare HIS margin of victory with Brady's, ok?
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Posted on Thu Aug 16, 2012 13:52:54
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detroit wont beat out the packers for nfc north, but why are you counting out the steelers? their in playoffs every year and always competing for the division title every year |
And you say this why? Detroit and Green Bay should be neck and neck all season and we'll get a good gauge for how their both doing when they meet for the final time in the season during Week 14, I mean the Packers and Lions should both have no problem with the Vikings and Bears, Vikings well.. suck altogether, the Bears barely upgraded any part of their offense including their terrible O-Line and their defense is older then fine wine, I think Detroit and GB will split their series against each other and Detroit will barely edge out Green Bay for the division.
Also, the Steelers are getting quite old and will depend on Big Ben staying healthy all season, they probably won't have to worry about the Browns, may have to worry about the Ravens, and definitely have to worry about the Bengals. |
The bengals are up and coming in the afc north but I don't think they'll give the steelers or ravens too much trouble and they certainly won't win the division that's for sure. If the bengals beat the ravens or steelers the first time they meet then that means those two teams are in for a long season. |
Personally I root for the Ravens a bit because Torrey Smith is my best friends cousin, but I don't think they're gonna be that good. Flacco isn't the QB he thinks he is, Lewis is old, Reed is injury prone and keeps talking about retirement and Suggs is out. Haloti can't run that D himself no matter how good he is. Unless Flacco starts putting up Bree's, Rodgers or Brady performances, Rice can't make that entire offense. They have gotten aged and battered on defense and the offense wasn't much to begin with.
Steelers are in trouble as well. They too are aged on D and are going to have offense problems. I don't think Redman is gonna fill the void at RB, and with Ward retiring and Wallace possibly holding out, I don't see their offense performing greatly.
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The Ravens D has the same problem as the Bears D, they're old.
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Posted on Thu Aug 16, 2012 14:09:44
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Difference between Brady and Romo? Brady throws for 50 TDs, 5,200 yards, is a 3x champion, and has 2 MVPs. Nothing wrong with racking up stats, but if you're going to do it, do it big. Romo does not do anything that can be said in the same sentence as Romo. It is a disgrace to the NFl for you to even compare the two players. And for the record, the 2007 season the Pats played was one of the hardest on record. Look it up. By the end of the year, that 2007 Pats team played the hardest schedule of the year, and played 6 playoff teams, two of which we played again in the playoffs. So let's not try to compare ANYTHING Romo has or will do to anything the Patriots and Brady has already done. End of debate there. |
The real difference between Brady and Romo? Romo plays in the first or 2nd best division in the NFC, a highly competitive conference, Brady plays in the 2nd worst division in the AFC, a highly suckish conference with maybe 4 good teams AT BEST. I bet if Romo played with the Pats, he could win 13-14 games too, and I'm no Romo or Dallas fan.
Also, I'm not debating that Brady isn't a great QB, I'm just saying, he has it easy.
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Posted on Thu Aug 16, 2012 16:01:11
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They ran up the score ALL THE TIME in 2007!
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They run up the score ALL THE TIME! |
Fixed, and then quoted for truth, you were on the right track though
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Posted on Thu Aug 16, 2012 17:13:21
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Cry me a river about running up score. What a weak thing to complain about. I have never complained about it for any of my teams, nor will I ever complain about it if someone blows the doors off my team. Grow up and stop them from scoring if you don't like the score being "run up." I'm so tired of these "unwritten rules." Teams run up their score against the Pats ALL the time, it's why we have such a low ranked D. Teams are trailing by 30 points in the 4th so they just air the ball out for 15 full minutes, rack up another 100 yards and 14 points, still lose by 14, but now it makes our defense look worse than it is. Do I complain? No, I don't care. It's the game, you're SUPPOSED to try and score every possession, win every game.
And yes, the AFC East sucks, but that is NOT the "real" difference. you seem to not get this... THE COWBOYS HAVE BEEN A GOOD TEAM for many of his 6 years. They went 13-3 in 2007 with the same defense and same division all year. They just CHOKE under pressure and in December and the playoffs. And I'm not very sure Romo could just come to the Pats and learn the system. There have been a lot of talented players that came to NE and could not understand the system, on both sides of the ball. Brady runs an incredibly complicated offensive scheme. But Romo would probably do better than on the Cowboys, but that doesn't really mean anything. The real difference would be if Brady was with Dallas and you'd definitely see a change there. Let's not forget who Brady won his 3 titles with... a lot of no-names on offense. I dare you to name me 5 offensive players from the combined 3 Super Bowl wins other than Brady. I'm sure your list begins and ends with Deon Branch and Corey Dillon, right? Maybe at best you'll be able to recall the fan favorite (but not incredibly overwhelming stats) Kevin Faulk. Let's not talk about who he had to throw the ball to or hand the ball off to most of the time.
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Posted on Thu Aug 16, 2012 18:35:37
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And, for the record, Brady does indeed beat the teams in front of him. Example: 2003-2004 he went 34-4 with 2 Super Bowls.
Let me know when Romo wins another 34 total games, let alone a Super Bowl.
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Fixed, and then quoted for truth, you were on the right track though |
Lol thanks!
Oh hey, bosox, the point in bringing up that they always run up the score, is that you are constantly bragging about Brady's stats, the only reason they're so high is because the patriots are the least sportsmanlike team in the NFL, now, don't get me wrong, He is a good quarterback, but I don't feel he's as good as his stats reflect! On that, i'm just throwing out that Peyton's 49 touchdown season was more impressive than Brady's 50...
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detroit wont beat out the packers for nfc north, but why are you counting out the steelers? their in playoffs every year and always competing for the division title every year |
And you say this why? Detroit and Green Bay should be neck and neck all season and we'll get a good gauge for how their both doing when they meet for the final time in the season during Week 14, I mean the Packers and Lions should both have no problem with the Vikings and Bears, Vikings well.. suck altogether, the Bears barely upgraded any part of their offense including their terrible O-Line and their defense is older then fine wine, I think Detroit and GB will split their series against each other and Detroit will barely edge out Green Bay for the division.
Also, the Steelers are getting quite old and will depend on Big Ben staying healthy all season, they probably won't have to worry about the Browns, may have to worry about the Ravens, and definitely have to worry about the Bengals. |
The bengals are up and coming in the afc north but I don't think they'll give the steelers or ravens too much trouble and they certainly won't win the division that's for sure. If the bengals beat the ravens or steelers the first time they meet then that means those two teams are in for a long season. |
Personally I root for the Ravens a bit because Torrey Smith is my best friends cousin, but I don't think they're gonna be that good. Flacco isn't the QB he thinks he is, Lewis is old, Reed is injury prone and keeps talking about retirement and Suggs is out. Haloti can't run that D himself no matter how good he is. Unless Flacco starts putting up Bree's, Rodgers or Brady performances, Rice can't make that entire offense. They have gotten aged and battered on defense and the offense wasn't much to begin with.
Steelers are in trouble as well. They too are aged on D and are going to have offense problems. I don't think Redman is gonna fill the void at RB, and with Ward retiring and Wallace possibly holding out, I don't see their offense performing greatly.
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The Ravens D has the same problem as the Bears D, they're old. |
They'll still be able to hold up, but I never noticed how much their offense sucked until I saw them play the falcons in preseason. They gotta have one of the most basic offenses I've seen, the plays they run on offense are too simple.
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Posted on Fri Aug 17, 2012 05:37:55
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I don't know of the ravens will hold up, they lost their D coordinator a couple of others plus they're old and injury prone
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The reason the Pats have such good stats is because they are that good. You're telling me the Cowboys, Eagles, Seahawks, and Steelers all have QBs that are capable of doing that? Give me a break. The only team that can say they chose to not run up the score are the Colts in the 2004 or 5 season? Whichever year Manning had 49 TDs. Because he did sit out some games in the 4th, and that's fine, I don't really care. Other than that, the Saints have run up scores in games, the Packers have run up scores in games, and if you think for one minute that a team wouldn't run the score up on the Pats yu're crazy. Please remind me, how it is sportsmanlike to keep throwing 30 yard passes in the 4th when you're down 28 points? You mean to say it's cool for a team to desperately try to rack up garbage points and yards with 6 minutes left in a game they are going to lose, and the winning team just has to sit there and run the clock out because they don't want to offend the other team? Give me a break, this isn't soccer, this is the NFL. You don't like running up the score? Then beat us like the Giants do and it will shut us up. Otherwise, stop sucking and we wont run the score up. And if the Pats ever get blown out 48-10, you wont ever see me talk about how the other team was unsportsmanlike. If you think Brady is overrated then you have your damn head in the sand, end of the conversation on that.
The Ravens' D is not going to hold up. They are old in the secondary and their best young defensive guy is hurt and may not play for a few weeks. Their offense mostly sucks, as they only have Rice and Boldin, but Rice is a RB and we all know how shaky a RB can be over a year, and Boldin isn't even THAT great either
, just a cut above average if he plays to his full potential. This is why I don't see the Ravens or Steelers making much noise... one of them ill probably qualify for the playoffs, since the rest of the AFC mostly sucks, but it will be another one game loss for them.
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Peyton played the very first possession of week 17 just to get the start and then Jim Sorgi got to have some fun... You think "garbage time" is unsportsmanlike? You're an idiot...Btw, 28 points in the fourth isn't insurmountable, Peyton's won when he was down 20+ with like 6 minutes left. I think by your standards that 40-50 percent of football fans must have their heads in the sand... Now I realize why the Celtics and Patriots are two of the most hated teams in sports, they're fans are disrespectful douche bags...
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The Celtics are a hated team because they have won the most titles in the sport, much like the Yankees are hated in baseball and the Canadiens are hated in hockey. As for the fans, Boston is one of the most intelligent and passionate fanbases in all of sports. All teams do in regards to the Patriots, both opposing players and fans alike, are talk shit. They promise to beat us, they call us names, call us overrated, and the list goes on. All the Patriot players do is be humble and play the game, and usually win. Sure, we blow the doors off teams, but cry me a river.
Know the difference between Boston fans and you? The Yankees, specifically Jeter and Rivera, have been kicking our ass for over a decade... yet Jeter and Rivera are two of the MOST respected players in Boston. Sure, we boo them, but it's all in fun. We applauded Rivera in 2005 when we got our rings, and we gave Clemens a standing ovation when he pitched his last game with the Yankees. Same will happen with Jeter, same will happen if Rivera comes back. We are a fanbase like no other. Take that to the bank.
And 28 points isn't insurmountable, EXACTLY MY DAMN POINT kid. So it's totally cool for a team down 28 points in the 4th to throw the ball everywhere trying to score desperation points, but it's unsportsmanlike if a team up by 28 keeps playing and tries to ensure victory? f**k that.
And if 40-50% of the fans of the NFL think Brady is overrated then yes, they have their head in the sand. Brady is an all time elite QB who as it is could retire tomorrow and be compared to the greatest to ever play the game, and who has had MORE success head-to-head against Peyton Manning.... yet he still has at least 3-5 years left of play in him. By the time it's all said and done, Brady could end up with around 172 wins, 55,000 yards, 400+ TDs, and a 4-2 record in the Super Bowl. Call me whatever you like, but if you think those numbers are overrated or easy to come by then you give me the long list of players who have better stats than those.
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The ravens D will do fine and their secondary isn't old with the exception of ed reed, the corners are young and talented. Boldin is a good receiver but some reason when a receiver is on or comes to the ravens they start to suck or not have as much success as they did somewhere else.
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Baldin isn't really that good though. He had a few good seasons early in his career, but he also had arguably the best receiver in football alongside him in Fitzpatrick to distract defenses. In Baltimore, there's really no passing threat. And the Baltimore D is old with Lewis and Reed, and on top of that Suggs is injured, and those are the three best defensive players on the team. The biggest thing working in their favor is that Pittsburgh is also old and probably going to have a down year, the Bengals are ok, and the rest of the division sucks.
Flacco just never developed beyond an average QB and they don't even have any offense around him anyways. Truth be told, if Houston was healthy last season they would have beaten Baltimore and it would have been HOU/NE for the AFC Championship game. Let's not forget, with the 3rd string QB and a mess of other injuries to Foster and Johnson, the Texans only lost by a TD. So I can see Baltimore taking a big step back this year.
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Posted on Sat Aug 18, 2012 20:42:28
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Its Fitzgerald!
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All I heard was 'Brady this, Brady that, Pats blah blah blah, Super Bowl, Romo Sucks'
All I thought was, New York Giants. 
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NYJ VS NYG TONITE - THE "METLIFE BOWL"
J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! GANG GREEN ALL DAY!
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By IN_COLD_BLOOD [1613784]
NYJ VS NYG TONITE - THE "METLIFE BOWL"
J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! GANG GREEN ALL DAY! |
Big Blue put them down like a wounded dog. Maybe Tebow should've prayed alot more before game time.
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By bosox [278767]
The Celtics are a hated team because they have won the most titles in the sport, much like the Yankees are hated in baseball and the Canadiens are hated in hockey. As for the fans, Boston is one of the most intelligent and passionate fanbases in all of sports. All teams do in regards to the Patriots, both opposing players and fans alike, are talk shit. They promise to beat us, they call us names, call us overrated, and the list goes on. All the Patriot players do is be humble and play the game, and usually win. Sure, we blow the doors off teams, but cry me a river.
Know the difference between Boston fans and you? The Yankees, specifically Jeter and Rivera, have been kicking our ass for over a decade... yet Jeter and Rivera are two of the MOST respected players in Boston. Sure, we boo them, but it's all in fun. We applauded Rivera in 2005 when we got our rings, and we gave Clemens a standing ovation when he pitched his last game with the Yankees. Same will happen with Jeter, same will happen if Rivera comes back. We are a fanbase like no other. Take that to the bank.
And 28 points isn't insurmountable, EXACTLY MY DAMN POINT kid. So it's totally cool for a team down 28 points in the 4th to throw the ball everywhere trying to score desperation points, but it's unsportsmanlike if a team up by 28 keeps playing and tries to ensure victory? f**k that.
And if 40-50% of the fans of the NFL think Brady is overrated then yes, they have their head in the sand. Brady is an all time elite QB who as it is could retire tomorrow and be compared to the greatest to ever play the game, and who has had MORE success head-to-head against Peyton Manning.... yet he still has at least 3-5 years left of play in him. By the time it's all said and done, Brady could end up with around 172 wins, 55,000 yards, 400+ TDs, and a 4-2 record in the Super Bowl. Call me whatever you like, but if you think those numbers are overrated or easy to come by then you give me the long list of players who have better stats than those. |
Did you just say Boston, is intelligent? LOL
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can't we all just agree that Rodgers' is the best in the sport?
:)
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By IN_COLD_BLOOD [1613784]
NYJ VS NYG TONITE - THE "METLIFE BOWL"
J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS! GANG GREEN ALL DAY! |
Big Blue put them down like a wounded dog. Maybe Tebow should've prayed alot more before game time. |
sanchez needs to get fired
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