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Posted on Tue Dec 11, 2012 04:19:18
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i guess ill be the first to congratulate you and your pats on that win bosox. (7 mins left)
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Posted on Tue Dec 11, 2012 04:41:36
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i guess ill be the first to congratulate you and your pats on that win bosox. (7 mins left) |
Don't do that..... I hate you....
Welcome to NR sports circa 2011....
patriots.... Patriots.... PATRIOTS.... PATRIOTS!!!!!!
Now 2012...
Patriots... patriots.... PATRIOTS.... PATRIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just gonna go hang myself now and get it over with.....
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Posted on Tue Dec 11, 2012 17:36:42
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Thanks, Luke. There is just something right about the Patriots winning big games in December in foxboro. And there is just something right about the 49ers being relevant and a contender. So it only seems fitting the two will play each other next week.
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Posted on Wed Dec 12, 2012 02:38:50
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Oh yes, and also... tomorrow is 12/12/12
Or in other words: Tom f**kin' Brady Day.
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Posted on Wed Dec 12, 2012 05:35:29
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Oh yes, and also... tomorrow is 12/12/12
Or in other words: Tom f**kin' Brady Day. |
hence the reason the world will end.....global suicide will take place thanks to brady's and his followers big head.
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Posted on Wed Dec 12, 2012 16:57:16
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Hey, there's no need to hate on the greatness that is Tom f**kin' Brady and the run that the Patriots have been on since 2001. It's like pissing in the wind.
What I'm more confused about is why you'd both (Crow included) rather talk about the Patriots instead of talking about your Cowboys who might even have a chance at making the playoffs.
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Posted on Wed Dec 12, 2012 17:56:55
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ANd another thing... can we put to bed now the myths that Peyton Manning and Tim Tebow meant anything much to either of their respective teams last year? The Colts went 2-14 last year without Manning, after going 10-6 the year prior but were clearly on a downward spiral and this season are 9-4 and will probably win more games than they did in Manning's last season with them. They just had absolutely no depth to fill in for Manning.
And the Broncos last year went 8-8 and won a playoff game and everyone thought it was Tebow that actually had anything to do with it. On the other hand, the same Broncos with Manning are now 10-3 which is much better, and they could end up with one of the better records in the NFL this year... but that just means they were good last year and had a good defense and some offensive weapons and just no QB. Once you put a decent QB in there, look what they did.
So please, let's kill all the Peyton Manning and Tim Tebow hype about their teams of 2011 now.
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Posted on Wed Dec 12, 2012 19:00:17
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By bosox [278767]
ANd another thing... can we put to bed now the myths that Peyton Manning and Tim Tebow meant anything much to either of their respective teams last year? The Colts went 2-14 last year without Manning, after going 10-6 the year prior but were clearly on a downward spiral and this season are 9-4 and will probably win more games than they did in Manning's last season with them. They just had absolutely no depth to fill in for Manning.
And the Broncos last year went 8-8 and won a playoff game and everyone thought it was Tebow that actually had anything to do with it. On the other hand, the same Broncos with Manning are now 10-3 which is much better, and they could end up with one of the better records in the NFL this year... but that just means they were good last year and had a good defense and some offensive weapons and just no QB. Once you put a decent QB in there, look what they did.
So please, let's kill all the Peyton Manning and Tim Tebow hype about their teams of 2011 now. |
Seems kind of like a random statement...
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Posted on Wed Dec 12, 2012 19:11:17
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Not random, after listening to all of the Tebow hype for about a year straight now. Then with all the talks of Peyton Manning being the undisputed MVP of all time after the Colts went 2-14 without him, and how he is now 10-3 with the Broncos.
Just an observation this season.
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Posted on Wed Dec 12, 2012 19:25:43
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Not random, after listening to all of the Tebow hype for about a year straight now. Then with all the talks of Peyton Manning being the undisputed MVP of all time after the Colts went 2-14 without him, and how he is now 10-3 with the Broncos.
Just an observation this season. |
I love Peyton, but that's ridiculous talk, the 2012 colts are almost literally a completely different team than last year!
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Posted on Wed Dec 12, 2012 19:55:12
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sorry to burst your bubble over there bosox, but brady doesnt get his own day..... Rodgers does
and spazzy, d/w about what bosox says when he is talking peyton....he is just butt hurt that the guy he wishes he could merry isnt considered the best of his time because of him.
and Bosox, reason i would rather NOT talk about cowboys and their "chance to make it to the playoffs" is because i see no chance. the last 3 games are pretty easy and theres no reason dallas shouldnt walk away with them all....which is why we will most likely lose them all.
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Posted on Wed Dec 12, 2012 21:29:22
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Pretty easy? The Skins already beat us once, nearly stomping the hell out of us and RG3 should be back by then, the Steelers should never be taken lightly no matter their record and the Saints will probably play with a chip on their shoulder now that the suspensions have been overturned, not to mention they probably don't like the rumors that we want to take their coach.
While I agree that I don't see us making the playoffs, I surely wouldn't call those games easy. Even if we play well and don't make big mistakes, I still see us going MAYBE 1-2, and 8-8 won't get you to the playoffs this year, not in the NFC anyway.
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Posted on Wed Dec 12, 2012 22:53:04
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Pretty easy? The Skins already beat us once, nearly stomping the hell out of us and RG3 should be back by then, the Steelers should never be taken lightly no matter their record and the Saints will probably play with a chip on their shoulder now that the suspensions have been overturned, not to mention they probably don't like the rumors that we want to take their coach.
While I agree that I don't see us making the playoffs, I surely wouldn't call those games easy. Even if we play well and don't make big mistakes, I still see us going MAYBE 1-2, and 8-8 won't get you to the playoffs this year, not in the NFC anyway. |
as of late steelers aint been playing.
saints, thats a team based on passing (which dallas has been good at defending this year)
skins, look at our record as of late against them. we havnt loss BOTH games in 1 season to them since 2005.
so yes, just based on how things look on paper they are pretty easy....but as me and you both know to god damn well, it doesnt matter how it looks on paper when it comes to dallas.
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Posted on Thu Dec 13, 2012 02:31:39
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I love Peyton, but that's ridiculous talk, the 2012 colts are almost literally a completely different team than last year! |
Spazzy, the fact you love Peyton is exactly the reason why you can't see that it is not so much about him the reason they were so terrible last year. Or in other words, he was great but that Colts team wasn't great. they went 14-2 in 2009 and 10-6 in 2010, which was the fewest amount of wins the team had since 2002, after a string of 7 straight years of 12+ wins. So it was clear they had a significant drop off. Now, would they have only won 2 games with him in 2011? Probably not, but I doubt they would have been much better than 8-8 at best. That was NOT a good Colts team that year, old on all sides of the ball. And the coaches just did not plan for any players to go down with injury, and certainly not for Manning. That's why you guys had to resort to Curtis painter.
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Posted on Thu Dec 13, 2012 02:37:07
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sorry to burst your bubble over there bosox, but brady doesnt get his own day..... Rodgers does
and spazzy, d/w about what bosox says when he is talking peyton....he is just butt hurt that the guy he wishes he could merry isnt considered the best of his time because of him. |
First of all, please with Aaron Rodgers. At least make yourself look somewhat respectable with trying to compare Manning to Brady, rather than Rodgers. And, as usual, you constantly bring up Brady and try to tear him down and then cry about it when I correct how wrong you are. So would you really like me to go down that road with you again, or will you just concede it right now and save us both a lot of time? But by all means, if you'd like to try and compare Rodgers or Peyton to Brady I'm more than willing to go there
And the Cowboys do not have an easy finishing schedule. Steelers have no offense, but their defense will probably wreak havoc on Romo, especially without Bryant. Then you got the Saints who will probably drop 40 on your defense easily. And then you have the Redskins who may be playing for the division title that game, and are just flat out better than you guys are anyways, and already have beaten you once this year.
But yes, you are correct that if the Cowboys do find themselves in a position to clinch a playoff berth in Week 17 or something, Romo will probably shit the bed, again, and blow the game.
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Posted on Thu Dec 13, 2012 03:46:21
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I think what Luke was referring to was...
It was Tom Brady Day for the Patriots. It was officially Aaron Rodgers Day in the state of Wisconsin.
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Posted on Thu Dec 13, 2012 04:05:34
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I think what Luke was referring to was...
It was Tom Brady Day for the Patriots. It was officially Aaron Rodgers Day in the state of Wisconsin. |
Luck day for Indiana! I'm pumped for Sunday!
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Posted on Thu Dec 13, 2012 05:20:16
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sorry to burst your bubble over there bosox, but brady doesnt get his own day..... Rodgers does
and spazzy, d/w about what bosox says when he is talking peyton....he is just butt hurt that the guy he wishes he could merry isnt considered the best of his time because of him. |
First of all, please with Aaron Rodgers. At least make yourself look somewhat respectable with trying to compare Manning to Brady, rather than Rodgers. And, as usual, you constantly bring up Brady and try to tear him down and then cry about it when I correct how wrong you are. So would you really like me to go down that road with you again, or will you just concede it right now and save us both a lot of time? But by all means, if you'd like to try and compare Rodgers or Peyton to Brady I'm more than willing to go there
And the Cowboys do not have an easy finishing schedule. Steelers have no offense, but their defense will probably wreak havoc on Romo, especially without Bryant. Then you got the Saints who will probably drop 40 on your defense easily. And then you have the Redskins who may be playing for the division title that game, and are just flat out better than you guys are anyways, and already have beaten you once this year.
But yes, you are correct that if the Cowboys do find themselves in a position to clinch a playoff berth in Week 17 or something, Romo will probably shit the bed, again, and blow the game. |
sorry, but as of late rodgers has been the better QB (he is the last Superbowl MVP between the 2 of them).
lead a team almost undefeated a year ago (better then brady past couple of years)
sorry, but facts show he has been better as of late. this years playoffs might be different, but we dont know yet.
as for manning v. brady.....id choose manning ANY day. You can throw numbers and all that bullshit, but i go by what i see on the field. Manning Commands the field period, no if and or buts about that. He can confuse a defense 9 times out of 10. While brady can throw the ball, but without his coach wouldnt have a clue really on how to do anything but protect himself....even then he really aint that good.
i guess me and you will just have to agree to disagree with the final games of the season for dallas. Not 1 of them game should be less then a 50% chance to win. They are all pretty good match ups when dallas actually plays....and as for romo choking...well you already know where i stand there...
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Posted on Thu Dec 13, 2012 17:22:56
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Sorry, Luke, but I'm not sure what stats you're looking at. Since 2010, and, well, I wont even count anything before that because that would just be unfair for Rodgers, here is how the two compare: Brady has more TDs, less INT, more YDs, more Wins, less Losses... well, you get the picture I guess. Sure, Rodgers has won a more recent Super Bowl, but Brady has the most recent trip to the Super Bowl last season and you can't totally discount that.
And please, now you are making yourself sound ignorant. Belichick is a great coach, yes, but let's not pretend Brady doesn't call his own plays and audible on the line as well and run his own very effective hurry-up. To begin with Belichick is a defensive first coach, that's how he made his name. it's the reason we haven't really had any defensive coordinators for years and years, yet have offensive ones that are actually named and distinctively listed as that.
For as much as you think I have a biased against the Cowboys (I don't, I just call it how it is and there is nothing anyone can show me to disprove it), you just have a blatantly obvious biased against Brady and the Patriots. Which is fine, but you just have to admit that. Or if you choose to constantly be talking the nonsense you do then just be aware that I am ready any day of the week to bring up as many stats as you want; regular season, playoffs, head-to-head, career, in-season, etc. to counter anything and everything you say and leave you with your only argument of "well, it's just my own personal gut feeling ignoring all other logic and stats."
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Posted on Thu Dec 13, 2012 18:47:25
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sorry, but i believe GB went something like 15-1 or 14-2 cant remember last season...the season before he won the super bowl and was named MVP. Sorry what has brady won or what kind of achievement has he had in the past 3 years? (im saying 3 because Rodgers really didnt break out until then, and as you said any farther back and it would just be unfair.)
sorry, you can go to anybody and ask them to compare manning and brady. Most will say about the same thing, brady is a great QB, but manning is much more commanding on the field. You can listen to defensive players who have faced the 2 guys, they will say they are scared of brady's arm and his ability to get the ball down the field. They are also scared of manning's ability to get the ball down the field and his ability to make sure everything is perfect before saying hike. Hell, thats almost all the commentators will talk about when he is out there, yet i dont hear them saying to much about it with brady...sorry, like i said when it comes to brady and manning i dont look at stats. Stats have a trend to not always tell the whole story, but if you watch the game(which im sure you do) you can see exactly what happened to make them lose or win.
You are pretty bias against the cowboys, an i have already admitted many times i dont like brady. He is just a bitch who can throw a ball. i have no problem with pats, just brady. Sorry if you dont understand how stats dont really tell the truth unless the team is well rounded all over (like pats on offense). If a QB throws 15/40 he is a terrible QB, but say about 25 of them hit the WR's hands, chest, or right on the numbers......then is he still a terrible QB or does he just have terrible WR's? (because hitting the hands doesnt count as a drop on the WR stats)
but i will let you live in your dream world where stats mean everything for a few more years with brady....then laugh as your whole world crumbles when he is gone.
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Posted on Thu Dec 13, 2012 19:00:30
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I'll put this here, because it's probably the only thing you'll read:
Plain and simple, you hate Brady because he was and is the best. Same reason why people hate Kobe, Jeter, Crosby, and now we can add Brady. That's all there is to it.
Yes, Rodgers has won a more recent Super Bowl, but that 15-1 season they lost in the first round, while Brady went 13-3 and at least made it to the Super Bowl. Fairly even, I'd say. But the stats don't lie... Brady has more of everything (or less INTs, despite throwing more passes) than Rodgers. So I'd still take Brady over Rodgers over the past 3 years.
And you are just plain wrong, really. Brady is known to just pick apart a defense. The one thing that is true with him is if he gets pressured a lot and takes hits, he gets flustered, which is pretty much true for most of the league, but that is the one downside of Brady in this stage of his career is that he doesn't really want to take hits or be scrambling and will throw the ball away if he feels the hit coming. But the standard motto is pretty much across the board: If you give Brady time, he will pick you apart better than anyone. That's what Brady has made his career off of, because way back when, Brady was not throwing 50 TDs or 5,200 YDs, or going 16-0, or setting offensive records. He was simply picking apart defenses in the 4th quarter, leading comeback drives, winning Super Bowls while John Madden was saying on the Super Bowl broadcast that Brady should just take a knee and play for the tie. Brady was the absolute most feared man in the NFL from about 2003-2007. That is undisputed, between the 4th quarter comebacks, the record win streak, the back to back 14-2 seasons with Super Bowls, and went THROUGH Manning to do so... so please, don't try to pretend like Brady does not command the offense.
And yes, the Patriots have a well rounded offense since 2007, but it's not like Brady has just been playing "good," he's been playing elite, record setting, all time historically great. Back in his early career, when he had no-name chump douchebags like Givens, Caldwell, Watson, Wiggins, Fauria, etc. to throw the ball to was when he was playing "good" and was putting up 3,500 yards and 25 TDs and winning titles. Now that he has some offense around him, he's rewriting the books. That's the difference.
But I don't know why you like to live in the dream world where stats, championships, season, games, wins, records don't matter. What exactly are you basing your opinions off then? Because you seem to discount everything that is actually measurable.
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Posted on Thu Dec 13, 2012 19:25:20
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But I don't even know why I bother responding to you about this, as you'll inevitably cry that all I talk about is the Patritos, yet you seemingly can't go more than a few posts without taking an unprovoked jab at them.
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Posted on Thu Dec 13, 2012 20:00:33
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I'll put this here, because it's probably the only thing you'll read:
Plain and simple, you hate Brady because he was and is the best. Same reason why people hate Kobe, Jeter, Crosby, and now we can add Brady. That's all there is to it. |
yeah, brady is good and that's why people hate him, partially, he also tends to come off as a douche bag to a lot of people...
| Brady was the absolute most feared man in the NFL from about 2003-2007. That is undisputed |
NO... Just, no...
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Posted on Thu Dec 13, 2012 21:14:28
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Spazzy, you can say "no, just no" all you want, but here's some cold hard facts about 2003-2007 with the Patriots and Brady:
2 back-to-back Super Bowl wins in 3 appearances
4 AFC championship game appearances
1 MVP, 1 Super Bowl MVP
66-14 (.825)
21 straight wins
34-4 stretch including Super Bowls and playoffs (.895)
14-3 in playoffs (.824)
42-3 record at home (.933)
37 game winning drives*
21 4th quarter comebacks*
*as defined by pro-football-reference
And for good measure:
5-3 vs Peyton Manning (2-1 in playoffs, and 7-3 all time)
So go ahead, Spazzy and Luke, you tell me what other stats, hunches, gut feelings or blind arguments you have as to anything else. This never gets old for me, so every time you guys want to keep trying to completely dismiss and laugh off the idea, I'll hit you with more facts, stats and clutch performances.
Just stop doubting Tom f**kin' Brady. You guys have no place to talk down to him. The only group that can are.... Giants fans 
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Posted on Thu Dec 13, 2012 23:20:05
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no one likes crosby cuz he's a crybaby - not because he's good. just putting that out there, at this point i hope for sanchez to get hit by a bus slightly more than i wish that on brady
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Posted on Fri Dec 14, 2012 00:42:12
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By bosox [278767]
Spazzy, you can say "no, just no" all you want, but here's some cold hard facts about 2003-2007 with the Patriots and Brady:
2 back-to-back Super Bowl wins in 3 appearances
4 AFC championship game appearances
1 MVP, 1 Super Bowl MVP
66-14 (.825)
21 straight wins
34-4 stretch including Super Bowls and playoffs (.895)
14-3 in playoffs (.824)
42-3 record at home (.933)
37 game winning drives*
21 4th quarter comebacks*
*as defined by pro-football-reference
And for good measure:
5-3 vs Peyton Manning (2-1 in playoffs, and 7-3 all time)
So go ahead, Spazzy and Luke, you tell me what other stats, hunches, gut feelings or blind arguments you have as to anything else. This never gets old for me, so every time you guys want to keep trying to completely dismiss and laugh off the idea, I'll hit you with more facts, stats and clutch performances.
Just stop doubting Tom f**kin' Brady. You guys have no place to talk down to him. The only group that can are.... Giants fans
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I wasn't even going to say anyone specifically, but since you called Peyton out, fine. you said he was the "most feared man in the NFL" from '03-'07, yet everything but the MVP and super bowl MVP are TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENTS!
From 03-08 Peyton accomplished:
-3 MVP's
-6 Pro-bowl appearances
-1 superbowl MVP
-4x AFC player of the year
-plus an amount of records and firsts that I don't have the patience to count right now...
Just sayin', that's a much scarier INDIVIDUAL!
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I have a bias against Brady so It's not really fair, but he has.choked.hard against.the.giants in both super bowls he was in with them. And don't tell me it isn't his fault. When they win he.gets all the credit, so if they lose, guess what? It's his f**king fault unless he has an amazing game, which he hasn't either time
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It's funny how you guys are so tough on Brady for losing a few playoff games in between his Super Bowl appearances and after 3 Super Bowl wins, yet I guess totally ignore the fact that Peyton started his playoff career 0-3, has lost his first playoff game 7 times (more than 50% of his playoffs ended in the first game), is 9-10 in the playoffs and is 1-2 against Brady in the playoffs. Seems like you're holding Brady to a much higher standard of greatness than you do Peyton.
No one is saying Manning isn't good, but how is winning AFC player of the year more scary than winning multiple Super Bowls and setting records for win streaks and being virtually undefeated at home over a 5 year stretch, with back-to-back Super Bowls at 14-2 each, who was known for ending the game if the ball was in his hands in the 4th quarter. Whenever a team saw the Patriots on their schedule, including Peyton, it was already a loss; 21 straight games. And that's including playoffs and Super Bowl, unlike the Colts who won the 22 REGULAR season games. It'd be like me bragging about going 16-0 to the 1972 Miami Dolphins who went undefeated with a Super Bowl; it's silly.
And to SPazzy and IN_COLD_BLOOD, yes Brady came up short in some playoff games, and I'll list him as choking twice; once against the Jets in 2010 and once against the Giants in 2007. Other than that, a 10-6 Wild Card weekend team losing to Baltimore isn't really choking, and this last Super Bowl wasn't really a choke, as most people were picking the Giants anyways (though we still should have won in my eyes), but we can't just go calling every loss by the Patriots a choke.
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I never bring up his playoff losses... You're still missing the point, you said Brady was the most feared MAN, all you're proving is that the patriots were the most feared TEAM...
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CoolHandLuke
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Posted on Sat Dec 15, 2012 00:43:35
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you always say i keep mixing up the old dallas cowboys and the new. Yet seem to think shit brady did in 2007 and before still amounts to anything right now....funny really.
i also dont take an "unprovoked" jab at Brady or the new England patriots. Hell i congratulated you on a good win, then you go and start spewing bullshit (again).
i also usually dont talk about them until you do....but yet for some reason you ALWAYS claim i cant stop talking about them when really all im doing is responding to your big headed bullshit...
I will say this again, i NEVER hear commentators talk about his ability to pick apart the defense with audibles. Now when he is passing, yes he can pick them apart, but manning does it before he even says hike....but i wont argue with you because i know theres no changing your mind when it comes to brady.
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