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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 01:57:40
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Was a good game to watch, I'm finally understanding more about NFL. Quite entertaining with helmets flying off, also when they blind side people and dive into their spine when they are trying to catch the ball.
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Hence why I've never understood alot of soccer fans arguments of the NFL being for pussies. Were the NFL to be played without pads or helmets, with the size and speed of players these days the "winning" team would be the team with the most players who weren't diseased or comatose. Goodell is trying to tone down the violence, and that sucks, but people who have never played truly do not know how brutal it gets. |
I'm more of a rugby person (played most of my life) but I refrain from getting involved in those arguments. I am in no way a soccer fan though - Far from it. Baltimore's defensive team is huge, just running into that front row would destroy your body. Lucky you can run around them though. Really enjoyed the closing stages of that game, the coaches go ape shit lol. Throw their note pads around.
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 01:59:52
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I just hope that this set of refs will not be in another Super Bowl. It's a shame when they prevent a better team from winning. Funny how the football season started with ref controvesy and ends the same!
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 02:04:02
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I just hope that this set of refs will not be in another Super Bowl. It's a shame when they prevent a better team from winning. Funny how the football season started with ref controvesy and ends the same! |
I think it was a good no call in the situation but how about when the ravens really got that first down and the refs marked it 4th and short? Maybe it would've never came down to that!
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 02:09:53
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By ddwag [1402611]
I just hope that this set of refs will not be in another Super Bowl. It's a shame when they prevent a better team from winning. Funny how the football season started with ref controvesy and ends the same! |
lol
You can try to take a lot of things from the Baltimore Ravens, but I bet you won't get the Lombardi Trophy.
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 02:12:11
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It was clearly short of the first down which was evident in real time and obvious in replay. The interference has to be called when present, not only if it might be a close call. That's just the way of the game, I didn't make the rules. They need to learn to call the fouls change the rule book.
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 02:12:30
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Oh and Ray Lewis was playing like an old man lol
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 02:15:21
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Unless the 49er's signed Kareem Abdul Jabar in the two weeks between the chmpionship games and the super bowl, common sense would say that the kid was spook'd and the ball was uncatchable. as well as, you could have made a legitimate case for offensive interference.
Either way, I guess you guys'll have to live with the Ravens being NFL Champions for 12 mos.
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 02:15:58
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He's just likely to have had the chance to have such a long football career. Most murders actually have to go to prison.
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 02:19:34
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He's just likely to have had the chance to have such a long football career. Most murders actually have to go to prison. |
Proof he murdered someone?
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 02:20:25
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Somebody forgot OJ already lol
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 02:24:55
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I know. I think OJ and Ray must have talked after the murder!! LOL.
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 02:25:05
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By ddwag [1402611]
It was clearly short of the first down which was evident in real time and obvious in replay. The interference has to be called when present, not only if it might be a close call. That's just the way of the game, I didn't make the rules. They need to learn to call the fouls change the rule book. |
To be fair, there very very little flags thrown in the game. I think 2 against Baltimore and 5 against SF. you can discount the f;lags thrown in the 1st quarter scrum, and then there was two flags thrown against the 49ers for pre-snap fouls (the double offsides and illegal formation). So really, the refs were letting the players play. There were some personal foul/PI calls that were pretty obvious, like the facemask and one PI against I forget who, but the 49ers also did get a gift penalty on the running into the kicker on a play that saved them 3 points after they missed the original attempt and then made the second.
So I can't really say anything other than Baltimore was simply smarter about it. The Ravens saw the refs weren't throwing flags, as they usually don't in Super Bowls, and they played physical. Bill Belichick has been captured on audio and video of telling linemen to hold on every single down because the refs don't call that in Super Bowls. Knowing the type of game being played/called is half the battle of being a great coach, and I guess we now see who the better Harbaugh is.
As I said, that final goal line drive was TERRIBLE play calling. You run the ball once on first down and then proceed to throw three straight times from the 6 yard line? Baltimore didn't have a good run defense this season and Kaepernick made his name as a running QB, to go along with Gore and a few other role players to run with... and having only 6 yards standing in the way of a 6th 49ers Lombardi Trophy.... and they throw it on 2nd, 3rd and 4th down. Fades in the endzone from the 6 yard line are plays that great QBs make, and as well as Kaepernick played this year, the touch needed to complete one of those passes in that spot is simply too skillful for him. I guarantee if they pounded the ball 4 straight downs, we would be talking about a San Francisco parade right now. Lewis looked old and sloppy, tackles were being broken and missed all day, and Gore had already racked up 110 yards on a 5.8 yards per carry clip.... and you're 6 yards out. According to the numbers, HE COULD HAVE SCORED THE SUPER BOWL WINNING TOUCHDOWN IN ONE ATTEMPT!
So no, I don't blame the refs. They never call penalties in Super Bowls. 49ers just got out-coached, and the Ravens took better advantage of the game.
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 02:37:09
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I agree that the play call was poor and Kaepernick should have run the 6 yards on 3rd down because it was wide open. The 4th down play was just too obvious not to call, no matter how much you don't want to throw the flag! Granted Baltimore might have driven down for a score after that and actually won the game without controversy, but we won't know I guess.
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 02:41:12
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No, I'm sorry but f**k that. I do not want a Super Bowl being determined by a pass interference flag unless one player literally punches the other down before the pass. It was from the 6 yard line between the defender and the receiver, both going up for the ball with the Super Bowl on the line. Let the players settle it themselves, even if there's some contact. The rule states they can make contact anyways for the first 5 yards, and that would ahve put the zone of legal contact ending at the 1. The play happened on the goal-line. f**k having a ref throw a flag in that spot and give the 49ers 1st and goal on the 1 for the Super Bowl.
Is THAT really how you want the game decided? A flag to put a team 1st and goal on the 1 for a pass interference that incolved some contact 6 yards into the play instead of 5? Hell no.
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 02:50:22
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That was terrible play,calling on the final drive and they should ran the ball, they might have even scored. Ngata was out so there wasn't anybody to plug up the middle like he does that's why Frank Gore started busting up the middle like that when ngata went out.
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 02:52:17
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It was a good game, and should be left at that.
If you think Baltimore was leaving NOLA without rings, then you don't understand what happens between the numbers of football.
The Baltimore Ravens are your NFL champs. Deal with it or KYS
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 02:53:34
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If you think Baltimore was leaving NOLA without rings, then you don't understand what happens between the numbers of football. |
That has about nothing to do with it, as both team had thought the same exact things going into the match. Baltimore just had the better coaching when it was all said and done and that was the difference.
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 02:57:20
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Baltimore was the better team and beat the top three teams in the NFL to take home the bacon. And you know as well as I do that they shouldn't have won but maybe 1 of the 4 play off games on paper.
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 03:02:25
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That's all good and true, but every team that has ever played a Super Bowl has overcome odds or dominated a season, and as such every Super Bowl team thinks they are going to win. So the whole "they wanted it more" thing is so lame or saying "if you think Baltimore was leaving without a ring" or calling thema team of destiny is just stupid. They're, again, not the first team to win a Super Bowl having to play 4 games, and not the first to do so as being heavy underdogs in multiple rounds. It just came down to John Harbaugh being the better coach and making the better calls at the right times. The game was decided by 3 points, so it comes down to the little things in those games, and Baltimore had the edge in the coaching department.
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 03:14:08
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Not saying any of that horseshit, was just saying that there was no chance of them losing
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 03:19:39
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You can say that, but I've seen you post on here already some of the whole "the players want to win more" BS, specifically Lewis in the huddle or other posters going on about Lewis' decision to retire impacting the team in a positive way. Pah-lease.
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Posted on Tue Feb 05, 2013 14:27:01
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I merely stated that the Ravens were the better team and that the intangibles (such as experience and leadership) play a larger role in a game of that magnitude than the numbers would suggest.
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Posted on Wed Feb 06, 2013 04:08:34
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As I said before Kickrocks...go kick rocks.
Your shit team didn't deserve to win.
We have a QB who had only 10 starts as a pro. That first half was a killer for him he ended it looking like a deer in the headlights.
Jones' run back for a td didn't help, I'm sure.
But he did execute a great comeback. I'm not very impressed with Roman's (off. coordinator) choice of plays after Gore's 33 yard run. Passes? WTF!? You have 3 guys that can run it in from 7 yards!!!! Gore up the middle 4 times would have got us the td.
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Posted on Wed Feb 06, 2013 04:13:28
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I merely stated that the Ravens were the better team and that the intangibles (such as experience and leadership) play a larger role in a game of that magnitude than the numbers would suggest. |
Ravens are lucky to built a big enough lead in the first half, and second half (pre-power outage).
They weren't the better team in the second half, they just held on as tight as they could...kicked a few field goals and withstood the onslaught. But yes, in the Superbowl...the Ravens were the better team more of the game.
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Posted on Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:11:34
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If anything the power outage helped the 49ers
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Posted on Wed Feb 06, 2013 22:20:59
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Ehhh I don't think you can say that. If anything, in the NFL, older defenses purposely try to SLOW the game down by either calling timeouts or faking injuries (which is why the new injury timeout rule with 2 mins remaining is in effect). So it goes both ways. Both teams try to slow each other, and with the rate that Baltimore was scoring at, the Baltimore defense was probably just as tired as the SF defense. SF did the same thing in the NFC Title game against Atlanta, after falling behing, what, 0-20 they came back in the second half to win. I just think they had a problem with starting games fast, more than the lights going out had anything to do with it. Both teams were affected because for as many minutes the Ravens had to rest so did the 49ers. As many minutes the Ravens had to think about being so close to victory, the 49ers had to think about being so close to defeat. Call it a wash.
And maybe I'll be wrong about saying there was a chance Lewis would play for the Patriots next year.... perhaps I wasn't so far off-base, seeing as Ed Reed make pretty straight forward comments during Media Week that he would love to play for Belichick. Hmmm
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Posted on Wed Feb 06, 2013 22:53:47
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As I said before Kickrocks...go kick rocks.
Your shit team didn't deserve to win.
We have a QB who had only 10 starts as a pro. That first half was a killer for him he ended it looking like a deer in the headlights.
Jones' run back for a td didn't help, I'm sure.
But he did execute a great comeback. I'm not very impressed with Roman's (off. coordinator) choice of plays after Gore's 33 yard run. Passes? WTF!? You have 3 guys that can run it in from 7 yards!!!! Gore up the middle 4 times would have got us the td. |
There is no comeback if your team never takes the lead or even ties the score
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I merely stated that the Ravens were the better team and that the intangibles (such as experience and leadership) play a larger role in a game of that magnitude than the numbers would suggest. |
Ravens are lucky to built a big enough lead in the first half, and second half (pre-power outage).
They weren't the better team in the second half, they just held on as tight as they could...kicked a few field goals and withstood the onslaught. But yes, in the Superbowl...the Ravens were the better team more of the game. |
They were hands down the best team in the playoffs.
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Posted on Wed Feb 06, 2013 23:14:03
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True, but up until the time when the power went out the 49ers were rattled especially Kaepernick the whole game was boring until the power went out and that's because their hopes of winning was down.
I can also guarantee 100% you that Ed Reed won't play for the patriots even if he dosen't come back next season lol
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Posted on Wed Feb 06, 2013 23:32:22
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If NE is smart, they'll spend the $ on Kruger, not Reed. Reed didn't wrap anyone up all season, inc the playoffs.
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Posted on Thu Feb 07, 2013 00:24:02
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The Patriots have other big concerns, such as Welker and Talib (noticeable difference in the defense when we signed Talib comapred to before, and in the AFC game when he was in and when he was hurt). But as far as Reed goes, it wouldn't be the first time I heard people saying a Safety was done and retiring only to come to NE and do well sio quick we all forget Rodney Harrison I think Reed would be worth trying to sign, as I don't think we's going to get a lot of money on the market. Though I think there are better options out there.
But hell, kicksrocks, Ray Lewis didn't wrap anyone up in the playoffs but he's a hero nonetheless, right?
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