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Posted on Sun Jan 27, 2013 14:14:12
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Why is it that there's a thread started to talk about the 2012-13 NFL season, talk about roster/personnel moves, maybe brag about team accomplishments a little bit, and all these random people keep coming in here stating their unwanted opinions about how "American Football" is gay, or how their sport is better, or in Ted's case, a topic completely off of football in general??? So please, for the love of God, leave!
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Posted on Sun Jan 27, 2013 18:03:24
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Ted, I bet that your global impact on living standards, starving children, global warming, revolutions and genocides is probably about the same as what I've had. I don't think whether or not one likes sports has much to do with that
Plus, I know you don't care, but sports have played a much more pivotal role in history than you think, specifically so with the British Empire, American independence and expansion, and plenty of other things really. But I know, you have so much more of an impact on the world with your political opinions, so I'll leave you to it.
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Posted on Sun Jan 27, 2013 20:59:06
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So you do want to argue about it, alrighty then.
When did I say I had an impact on the world? Im talking about being informed and using my brain for something useful other than memorizing useless stats and spending hours watching other people play a game that could disappear tomorrow and the world wouldnt blink an eye.
You know, intellectual pursuits vs mindless wastes of time. The world would be much better off if everyone who watched the NFL read a book (or the news for that matter) on Sunday instead of spending half the day grunting at the tv. Not that I dont have my own mindless wastes of time, but football is particularly mindless and useless. Even video game people actually play the game they yell at and the game doesnt usually become part of their identity in reality.
Your arguments over Tom Brady and defending the Patriots sounds exactly like, and is just as pointless as, fanboys arguing over whether playstation is better than xbox. But please, carry on with your fascinating assessment of how the Patriots got their ass kicked and explaining why you are so emotionally attached to them and obsessed with everything they do just because you happened to be born there. Because it matters so much.
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Posted on Sun Jan 27, 2013 21:05:33
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Why is it that there's a thread started to talk about the 2012-13 NFL season, talk about roster/personnel moves, maybe brag about team accomplishments a little bit, and all these random people keep coming in here stating their unwanted opinions about how "American Football" is gay, or how their sport is better, or in Ted's case, a topic completely off of football in general??? So please, for the love of God, leave! |
I said I was done with I had to say but you decided to argue with me and I gave you the opportunity to drop it but you and Bosox didnt. So you reap what you sow buddy.
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Posted on Sun Jan 27, 2013 22:08:33
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Why is it that there's a thread started to talk about the 2012-13 NFL season, talk about roster/personnel moves, maybe brag about team accomplishments a little bit, and all these random people keep coming in here stating their unwanted opinions about how "American Football" is gay, or how their sport is better, or in Ted's case, a topic completely off of football in general??? So please, for the love of God, leave! |
I said I was done with I had to say but you decided to argue with me and I gave you the opportunity to drop it but you and Bosox didnt. So you reap what you sow buddy. |
A.) How is that an argument, all I want you to do is LEAVE!
B.) I'm not "reaping" the words I've said, just as I'm sure bosox isn't either
| ...and spending hours watching other people play a game that could disappear tomorrow and the world wouldnt blink an eye. |
If you truly believe that you are just flat out delusional, and/or don't realize how big of an effect the NFL and football as a sport has had on pop-culture... The only people that might not blink an eye are pretentious d-bags like yourself...
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Posted on Sun Jan 27, 2013 22:52:16
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By SpazzyMcgee [1519781]
Why is it that there's a thread started to talk about the 2012-13 NFL season, talk about roster/personnel moves, maybe brag about team accomplishments a little bit, and all these random people keep coming in here stating their unwanted opinions about how "American Football" is gay, or how their sport is better, or in Ted's case, a topic completely off of football in general??? So please, for the love of God, leave! |
I said I was done with I had to say but you decided to argue with me and I gave you the opportunity to drop it but you and Bosox didnt. So you reap what you sow buddy. |
A.) How is that an argument, all I want you to do is LEAVE!
B.) I'm not "reaping" the words I've said, just as I'm sure bosox isn't either
| ...and spending hours watching other people play a game that could disappear tomorrow and the world wouldnt blink an eye. |
If you truly believe that you are just flat out delusional, and/or don't realize how big of an effect the NFL and football as a sport has had on pop-culture... The only people that might not blink an eye are pretentious d-bags like yourself... |
So what would you classify calling me an ignorant jackass becasue I think football is stupid then? You could have just said "ok, that is your opinion. See ya." instead of continuing to try to insult me and I would have been gone. But since you apparently want to have this discussion and I do not really care if you all hate me if I ruin this thread since I do this for my own entertainment, lets do it shall we?
Yes it does have an effect on pop-culture, a negative one. When more people know how many touchdowns Tom Brady threw last week than can find Iraq on a map, that is not a good thing. When people care more about how well their fantasy football team did than they do about what is going on in congress, that is not a good thing. When people care so much about "their" team that they will actually get in physical fights with people that they dont know basically just because they born somewhere different, that is not a good thing. When more people care about working out so they can be a professional ball thrower/catcher so they can be rich and famous than there are people that want to be scientists and engineers so they can do something useful in the world, that is not a good thing either.
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Posted on Sun Jan 27, 2013 23:27:12
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Hmmm... As it stands, Tom Brady threw 1 Touchdown last week, and I (as well as my ENTIRE sophomore geography class last year) can locate Iraq on a map. We ALL know Congress is f**ked up and I got bored with my fantasy team around week 10 (that was 11 Weeks ago btw). I am currently working out 5 days a week to become a better athlete, yet when college rolls around a coupe years from now I intend to study either some form of engineering or business...
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 00:12:39
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So let me ask. If a billion people sat around watching their favorite Call of Duty players play in tournaments and bought their jerseys and merchandise, would that make Call of Duty important?
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 01:12:40
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Um, no, with call of duty you would literally be staring at someone staring at a TV...
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 02:19:18
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You mean like millions of people do when they watch football. They are just watching someone else play a game that they have no influence over.
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 03:06:58
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There's an entertainment factor in football that one might not find in staring at someone staring at a scree. I'm sure there are seemingly "useless" activities that you spend an ungodly amount of time doing solely because it's entertaining, like, oh I don't know, logging 60 days worth of time on a text based rpg. How is spending all day on here any worse than watching a 3-4 hour football game, which generally associated with socializing with, you know, live people, instead of an online forum...
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 03:08:37
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If the Sun was blue, would the sun be blue? Lol I don't know how you expect me to answer such a question you ask me. Sure, if video games were around in from the 1800s, and the British Empire used them to help demonstrate their superiority and assimilate people to their empire, the Americans used them to separate themselves from that Empire, and if kids all over the world living without any or very limited electricity, food and water played video games today as a partial result of the 1800s expansion of the British Empire.... or if video games either helped expand or helped document the expansion and culture of the US during the 1800-1900s... or if ancient gaming consoles were discovered from thousands of years ago, then yeah... i guess I'd say video games were important
Unfortunately for you, this is an area where you know very little in comparison to the people you're posting with. Not just talking about ERA, TD, W/L or other stats; but the actual history of sports in some areas. it's actually pretty interesting.
But they're just fun to watch and talk about, as opposed to the boring and often depressing/violent "news" across the world anyways. But I know, you're too important and influential to be wasting your time with silly sports anyways you've got other threads in politics to argue about irrelevant hypothetical debates on topics between just you and someone else
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 04:01:38
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There's an entertainment factor in football that one might not find in staring at someone staring at a scree. I'm sure there are seemingly "useless" activities that you spend an ungodly amount of time doing solely because it's entertaining, like, oh I don't know, logging 60 days worth of time on a text based rpg. How is spending all day on here any worse than watching a 3-4 hour football game, which generally associated with socializing with, you know, live people, instead of an online forum... |
So what if a billion people are entertained by staring at a screen? What makes your game better than any other game, the fact that you like it? Well what if other people dont.
The way you feel about people watching other people play call the duty is the same way I feel about watching other people play football. You know, pointless.
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 04:09:35
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I guess you're just missing the fact that sports are not like video games. Sports have helped shape British Empire history as well as American history throughout the 1700-1900s, for one. Then I guess we can discount the fact that there are multiple annual events that attract millions of people from around the world and well over a billion people to watch the events. Hell, that's a lot more influence than any super fun politician has
You'd be hard pressed to find something that reaches and influences more people across the world than sports does.
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 04:09:38
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If the Sun was blue, would the sun be blue? Lol I don't know how you expect me to answer such a question you ask me. Sure, if video games were around in from the 1800s, and the British Empire used them to help demonstrate their superiority and assimilate people to their empire, the Americans used them to separate themselves from that Empire, and if kids all over the world living without any or very limited electricity, food and water played video games today as a partial result of the 1800s expansion of the British Empire.... or if video games either helped expand or helped document the expansion and culture of the US during the 1800-1900s... or if ancient gaming consoles were discovered from thousands of years ago, then yeah... i guess I'd say video games were important
Unfortunately for you, this is an area where you know very little in comparison to the people you're posting with. Not just talking about ERA, TD, W/L or other stats; but the actual history of sports in some areas. it's actually pretty interesting.
But they're just fun to watch and talk about, as opposed to the boring and often depressing/violent "news" across the world anyways. But I know, you're too important and influential to be wasting your time with silly sports anyways you've got other threads in politics to argue about irrelevant hypothetical debates on topics between just you and someone else |
Lol, like you watch sports because of its historical relevance. Give me a f**king break. 
It matters absolutely jack shit what sports USED to be, it matters what it is now. It is marketing tool by corporations to suck money out of suckers like you, and thats about it.
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 04:12:21
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No, silly Ted. I didn't say I watch sports for their historical relevance. You're so fond of me saying I put words in your mouth, so do me a favor and find me the sentence where I said that, please I simply brought that up because you tried comparing them to video games and I was just pointing out that it's a piss poor analogy.
But this is where you're wrong. It's not a marketing tool to suck money from me, because I enjoy it. God forbid, there's something in the world I find fun and I'm willing to spend my money I earned on it. I enjoy watching them, going out with my friends to watch them, going to the games, taking in the atmosphere, getting excited for something that doesn't have to result in a war, revolution, or some 20 year old kid being sent 5,000 miles from home to sit in a hostile foreign country with a gun while we all try to figure out back at home what the real reason he's been sent there is.
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 04:14:11
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Nothing you are every going to say is going to convince me football is anything more than a game. Because that is what it is, a game. A game that you are way too emotionally attached to because you think that because you happen to be born somewhere, that makes "your" team special.
Its no less a game than call of duty, the only thing that makes it any different is more people care about it. Thats it.
Crackheads like crack too, thats why they keep buying it.
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 04:18:55
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I'm not saying football is anything more than a game. Are you having trouble reading what I'm typing? I couldn't give any less of a damn whether or not you watch sports, and I'm sure that my emotional attachment to sports is just fine, if not borderline over the top. but it's not the same as a video game. It's just so much more ingrained in world history, culture and even helped shape some of the history of the world in general, so it's just a little different than a video game. You can repeat that all you want, but that's just your opinion which, in this case, happens to be wrong.
i'm just pointing out that you're in the minority in the world on this one, and both history and current day trends are there to prove it. No need to get butthurt that you're just wrong by trying to compare them to video games, and I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by telling me you think spending money on sports is dumb. It's something I like, I'm aware of the money I'm spending, it's fin, it crosses language and culture borders, and I just enjoy seeing the excitement that comes along with sports. It's something that's actually fun and good that can bring people from around the world together, God forbid.
Go ahead, write your congressman about it
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 04:34:15
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| the only thing that makes it any different is more people care about it. Thats it. |
besides physical activity and risk of injury, right? I'm curious what are your views on playing football, is that also pointless??
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 04:43:08
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You may not want to accept that its not different than a video game, but too bad. Deal with it.
You can blab on about history and crap but if in 100 years there are stadiums where they have Call of Duty tournaments and 100,000 spectators, that doesnt make it any less of a stupid endeavor than it is now. And 150 years of football history doesnt change the fact that getting emotionally involved into a game other people play is retarded. It certainly doesnt change the fact that getting riled up over who is better at predicting how well other people are going to play because they know more stats than the other person and getting in fights over teams based simply on the fact they happened to live somewhere, is still stupid.
To me it would be just as stupid if people got in fights because someone was talking shit about their favorite Call of Duty player, or chess player, or chutes and ladders player, or bingo player, or whatever other meaningless thing people do to take up their time.
Football is just a bunch of corporations with teams who charge you to watch them play and dupe you into caring about one team over another through marketing and dumb traditions so you will give them money.
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 04:54:58
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See it doesn't work that way. This is where you are the one with little knowledge of the topic you're talking about and you repeating your opinion over and over again is actually just wrong. I'm not personally offended that you don't like sports. Truly, I don't care. But you're just saying things that are ignorant, that's all. Because you still don't know what I'm even referring to when I say these things, and I knwo you don't care so I wont bother giving you the links to the volumes of literature published over the past 200 years on sports and their impact on culture. I can accept and deal with that very much, but I don't think you can deal with the fact you're comparing apples to oranges.
People getting into fights over sports is stupid, but sports are the only stupid things people fight and kill each other over, so I'm not sure where youre going with that.
But no, silly Ted, they aren't duping me into anything. Believe it or not, people have other interests and hobbies and things they find fun than you do. We all aren't awesome, intelligent, important and influential chemists that have the luxury and gift of being blessed with infinite success and knowledge, so you'll have to just forgive the rest of the billions of people on Earth who find sports fun and don't mind spending their hard earned money on something those poor low-lives find amusing.
Is there anything else you'd like to discuss on the topic? Or have you preached your compulsory annual "sports are dumb" rant and we can all sleep better at night knowing we're all being duped into liking sports? Really, I'm very interested to see what else you have to expand on this matter.
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 05:02:12
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| the only thing that makes it any different is more people care about it. Thats it. |
besides physical activity and risk of injury, right? I'm curious what are your views on playing football, is that also pointless?? |
My view is that if football (and other sports) wasnt so glorified and promoted in such a way that millions of people think its their ticket out of poverty and waste half their life doing something that goes nowhere, then maybe more people would do something useful towards society. I find it rather pathetic that more people could tell you who is going to the super bowl than you can find people who can name one nobel prize nominee in any category in the last 10 years (including Obama). The point IS that I am in the minority, and that is the problem.
Personally I dont see why anyone would want to do something that makes them obsolete by the age of 34 with basically no other life skills, but if thats what you enjoy then whatever.
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 05:02:57
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Oh, and in reality... you're the one who's really being duped and tricked by the sporting corporations, as it's incredibly likely you're paying for TV channels that have sports related things on them and I'm also willing to bet some of your tax money has gone directly into something sports related as well
At least I'm enjoying it!
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 05:08:02
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See it doesn't work that way. This is where you are the one with little knowledge of the topic you're talking about and you repeating your opinion over and over again is actually just wrong. I'm not personally offended that you don't like sports. Truly, I don't care. But you're just saying things that are ignorant, that's all. Because you still don't know what I'm even referring to when I say these things, and I knwo you don't care so I wont bother giving you the links to the volumes of literature published over the past 200 years on sports and their impact on culture. I can accept and deal with that very much, but I don't think you can deal with the fact you're comparing apples to oranges.
People getting into fights over sports is stupid, but sports are the only stupid things people fight and kill each other over, so I'm not sure where youre going with that.
But no, silly Ted, they aren't duping me into anything. Believe it or not, people have other interests and hobbies and things they find fun than you do. We all aren't awesome, intelligent, important and influential chemists that have the luxury and gift of being blessed with infinite success and knowledge, so you'll have to just forgive the rest of the billions of people on Earth who find sports fun and don't mind spending their hard earned money on something those poor low-lives find amusing.
Is there anything else you'd like to discuss on the topic? Or have you preached your compulsory annual "sports are dumb" rant and we can all sleep better at night knowing we're all being duped into liking sports? Really, I'm very interested to see what else you have to expand on this matter. |
Lol. Just because I dont care about sports doesnt mean I dont know anything about them. They were rammed down my throat for half my life.
The fact that so many people care so much about distractions like football and care so little about things like current events is not evidence of why football is so great, it is evidence of what is wrong with our society.
I didnt say you were duped into liking sports, I said you were duped into being obsessed with one team over another. Which you were and are. The only reason you care about the Patriots is because you just happen to be from there, if you were from somewhere else you would be saying the same crap about a different team. And that's really only because people have been selling you their shit and inundating you with their crap since you were a kid.
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 05:18:30
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I'm not saying you couldn't name me the last Super Bowl winner or tell me in some detail the events of teams from the past. But that hardly means you have any idea what I'm actually talking about when I'm saying you're missing the concept here on sports and the role they've played in culture. Unless you'd like to enlighten me on what you think I mean when I'm referring to the 1700-1900s and the significance of sports in culture? But we both know you don't know what I mean and that you don't care. So why keep bringing it up? It's ok for you to say you don't know much on a particular subject, no one will hang you for it.
And sure, more people should care about domestic and global events, but I don't think it makes sense to blame sports on the reasons they don't. Probably the fact that politics and war have become so hard to relate to for the every day person is the reason. And if you want to talk about being duped, the governments of the world do a pretty good job at duping most people, either by telling us our opinions matter but then allowing them to be bought out by multi-national corporations and other lobbyists, or by flat out just lying, bickering, covering up and putting up enough bureaucratic red tape to prevent anyone from actually knowing what the hell is going on, and force us to fight over stupid things like "Republicans" and "Democrats" when really they'll just do whatever they want anyways.
But no, I was not duped into liking sports. Just as you had the free will to grow up with them being rammed down your throat and still was able to chose not to like it, I actually do have the same human ability to decide if I like something or not once I reached a certain age and I just decided I liked them I guess. Weird, right? Two people from opposite ends of the country having different ideas of hobbies? That's odd.
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 05:21:52
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Sometimes I think I write too much for Ted to read in one sitting. He seems to avoid answering 75% of what I present to him and just goes back on what he said in his previous 5 posts. I'll try to write less at a time, to ensure you're fully able to read and acknowledge it all.
Either that or... well, he just believes he is a perfect sample of a human being and everyone should strive to be exactly like he is. Be it religion, politics, sports, or whether you shwack off with your right or left hand; Ted is the one person who both has an opinion on literally every subject and is also, amazingly, never wrong or willing/able to admit there may actually be two different points of view on the same topic
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 05:34:35
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You can keep bringing up the 1800's all you want an I will continue to tell you, who gives a shit. Being around for 200 years doesnt make a damn bit of difference whether it is a great pursuit now or if it every was to begin with. If sports werent there during that time period it would have been something else, and perhaps something better for our society like literature.
Again, I didnt say you were duped into liking sports, I said you were duped into liking the Patriots and all your other stupid Boston teams. At least high school and college fans usually have a somewhat valid excuse for liking the teams they do.
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But see you're wrong, I'm not referring to the fact they've simply been around a long time; though they've been around far more than 200 years. This is what I mean, that you just don't get any of the references I'm making, and you think I'm only referring to the fact lots of people played sports in the old British Empire. Maybe it's uncomfortable for you to admit you're ignorant on a subject, but you're ignorant on sports. You think they're so pointless, so why can't you just admit that you have no idea what I'm talking about and I wont even waste time explaining it to you? Sounds like a good deal to me.
And again, I just fail to see the relevance or significance of my personal team I choose to follow. Perhaps you don't know what duped means, because it's really not the appropriate word here. If I was born in San Diego, I would have grown up cheering for San Diego teams, yeah. But it's not really being "duped" into liking them. Well, at least no more so duped than being "duped" into adhering to American culture and traditions as opposed to Korean ones because you were born in the US. I just don't see why it bothers you so much that someone who likes sports as a child growing up, plays sports and decides to continue liking them as they get older would decide to cheer for the team they've grown up seeing and hearing about. Honestly, this is actually somewhat fascinating to me, as to why this bothers you so and why you think it's being "duped." I suppose if someone thinks they are a player on the team and decides to do nothing with their life except watch sports, then they're lazy and dumb, but not really duped... though I've traveled to many other countries and am in the process of gathering documents to teach English overseas for a year later this year... so I don't know. I'm a fully functioning, healthy, reasonably intelligent person who also happens to enjoy sports.
Where exactly is the problem so far?
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 05:54:42
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Or here you go, I'll use less words and sum it up much better:
In the same way you have no issues with you logging thousands of hours on this game and these forums and are still able to understand other aspects of life.... I, like most other sports fans, can spend thousands of hours watching the games and talking about them and still understand other aspects of life. However, comparing video games to sports is just an improper analogy, and that's what I'm pointing out to you. You have little to no knowledge of what I'm referring to, so you can concede that point or you can do research on it yourself and we can have an intelligent discussion about sports in culture.
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Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 06:12:27
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The problem is, for example, you and your fellow Bostonians just love to spread hate everywhere you go because of your obsession over a game. I cant even go downtown on Sundays because of drunken assholes screaming about what team is better than the other, many of the time of which includes Boston douchebags.
Not that Boston unique, pretty much every Charges/Raiders game somebody gets stabbed.
Football in particular (NFL mostly) causes the most stupid hatreds in people and many times divides us from people we would get along with otherwise, all in the name of a stupid game that you think is important because it has been around for a long time. If people didnt take "their" team (that they dont really have any affiliation with the team other than buying their shit) losing or winning as if it was a personal defeat or achievement and treated it as the overall meaningless game that it is, then there wouldnt be a problem.
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