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Posted on Thu May 09, 2013 17:26:38
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I decided to go with a 1300watt PSU and finally decided on what case I will get and its massive

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Posted on Thu May 09, 2013 21:41:13
You're going with a Sandy Bridge over the Ivy? Don't think I've ever seen that in someone looking for bragging rights...Also on the 6 core front most applications are probably optimized for 4 cores at the most; unless the software you and your brother specifically support it, I would also say go with the quad Ivy. Sure you'll have more cores but at 32nm instead of the 22nm finfets they'll be slower and hotter.

I'm sure someone who knows what they're doing for overclocking would be able to get better results out of the 3770k.

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Posted on Thu May 09, 2013 22:35:06
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You're going with a Sandy Bridge over the Ivy? Don't think I've ever seen that in someone looking for bragging rights...Also on the 6 core front most applications are probably optimized for 4 cores at the most; unless the software you and your brother specifically support it, I would also say go with the quad Ivy. Sure you'll have more cores but at 32nm instead of the 22nm finfets they'll be slower and hotter.

I'm sure someone who knows what they're doing for overclocking would be able to get better results out of the 3770k.


I'm not gonna overclock and my reasons for going with a six core is because i intend for this computer to last around 7-10 years at the very least while still being able to outperform a lot of PCs when its that old.

ive said before people thought back when i got my old computer that it was necessary but when i build a custom rig I'm thinking about the future and not the present time.

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Posted on Fri May 10, 2013 15:36:46
I understand that and without doing the research myself you could be right, my approach has usually been to find the best price/performance point. I recently upgraded my 6-7 year old machine for $400 by replacing the mobo, RAM and CPU and that allowed me to keep all the other peripherals that don't really need top of the line specs like DVD/HDD. So with a i5 3570k and 8GB RAM I'm probably set for the next 5-10 years for what I use it for.

If you are not going to overclock you may not need a crazy heatsink either, but at least you aren't going liquid cooled.

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Posted on Sat May 11, 2013 04:51:35
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I understand that and without doing the research myself you could be right, my approach has usually been to find the best price/performance point. I recently upgraded my 6-7 year old machine for $400 by replacing the mobo, RAM and CPU and that allowed me to keep all the other peripherals that don't really need top of the line specs like DVD/HDD. So with a i5 3570k and 8GB RAM I'm probably set for the next 5-10 years for what I use it for.

If you are not going to overclock you may not need a crazy heatsink either, but at least you aren't going liquid cooled.


I just prefer to go high end because its easier on the parts in the long run since they will easily be able to handle the heat and performance of any game I run or any sort of design program.

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Posted on Tue May 14, 2013 01:34:36
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-3970X-vs-Intel-Core-i5-3570K


while yes, the i7 does technically beat the i5, when you look deeper into it, the cost/performance is strongly in favour of the i5.


i think your losing sight over the fact that it was initally a $1,000 processor, and you think that give bragging rights. your incorrect.



for gamers, spending less, and getting more is brag worthy

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Posted on Tue May 14, 2013 02:20:16
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http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-3970X-vs-Intel-Core-i5-3570K


while yes, the i7 does technically beat the i5, when you look deeper into it, the cost/performance is strongly in favour of the i5.


i think your losing sight over the fact that it was initally a $1,000 processor, and you think that give bragging rights. your incorrect.



for gamers, spending less, and getting more is brag worthy


if your a gamer on a tight budget not thinking about building a computer to last more than 5 years maybe. I've said before I aim for my computer to be something that will last 7-10 years and with quad cores currently being at their peak and six cores starting to take over I'd rather capitalize now to buy an i7 rather than spend $300 now on a i5 and then $500 a a few years down the road on an i7.

In the long run I'm actually spending less than some other people who continuously upgrade every year or two.

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Posted on Sun May 19, 2013 21:29:04
There is soooo much wrong in this thread.

I'll start off by reffering to the people suggesting that OP gets an ivy bridge. You're all wrong, for starters the guy is going to be getting 2 graphics cards. If he were to get an ivy bridge cpu then that would limit him to a z77 motherboard at most which supports a x16 pci-e port along with another x8 for SLI/crossfire. If he goes for the sandy bridge-e cpu, then he will switch to a 2011 socket with a x79 chipset which supports x16+x16, which is much much better for these configurations.

Second off, OP you stated you want this to last you 10 years, it won't. There is no such thing as future-proofing in the pc world, every year there will be new technology which is half the price and double the power(not quite, but you get the idea) and new software is optimized for new technology, leaving your pc in the dust.

Third off, OP stated that he finds SSDs more reliable than HDDs. To that I have to say you must live in a whole different universe since mechanical drives are CERTAIN to fail because they have moving parts and are more likely to malfunction, in contradiction to SSDs which have only a number of possible writes limit(you will never reach the limit in a real-world enviroment).

Your choice of hardware is poor to say the least. I bet you decided to go for the Rampage 4 just because you saw it was the most expensive board out there. If you do not intend on overclocking you are just throwing money down the drain and since I see from your choices you are a newbie in the pc world, you will not be able to take advantage of what the rampage 4 has to offer.

You do not need a six core processor for pretty much anything other than video/image rendering, which I assume you don't so there is not reason to buy that CPU, that's even more money wasted.

You do not need such a high wattage on your power supply. Even if you were to get those two GPUs, 1000 Watts if more than enough.

You do not need 2 GPUs, since you said you'll be gaming on a 1080p monitor, getting 2 680s is like buying a helicopter to go do your grocery shopping. It's expensive, looks good at first, brings troubles later and also becomes impractical.


I can go on and on about all the stuff I've read in this thread. OP I sincerely hope you haven't bought this abomination yet and strongly suggest you message me if you want further advise about your parts list, I will gladly help you and save you a TON of money.

EDIT: I just saw your parts list again , 32 gigs of dominators? Really?

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Posted on Mon May 20, 2013 06:33:35
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Third off, OP stated that he finds SSDs more reliable than HDDs. To that I have to say you must live in a whole different universe since mechanical drives are CERTAIN to fail because they have moving parts and are more likely to malfunction, in contradiction to SSDs which have only a number of possible writes limit(you will never reach the limit in a real-world enviroment).


I think you meant to say "HDDs more reliable than SSDs"

As I said before I've had my fair share of bad experiences with SSDs and generally they don't offer the amount of storage I need especially considering the 250gig ones still run around the $200 range when I can get a terabyte Hardrive for just $110 to $120.

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Posted on Mon May 20, 2013 08:22:11
By Obscu784 [1717202]
There is soooo much wrong in this thread.

I'll start off by reffering to the people suggesting that OP gets an ivy bridge. You're all wrong, for starters the guy is going to be getting 2 graphics cards. If he were to get an ivy bridge cpu then that would limit him to a z77 motherboard at most which supports a x16 pci-e port along with another x8 for SLI/crossfire. If he goes for the sandy bridge-e cpu, then he will switch to a 2011 socket with a x79 chipset which supports x16+x16, which is much much better for these configurations.

Second off, OP you stated you want this to last you 10 years, it won't. There is no such thing as future-proofing in the pc world, every year there will be new technology which is half the price and double the power(not quite, but you get the idea) and new software is optimized for new technology, leaving your pc in the dust.

Third off, OP stated that he finds SSDs more reliable than HDDs. To that I have to say you must live in a whole different universe since mechanical drives are CERTAIN to fail because they have moving parts and are more likely to malfunction, in contradiction to SSDs which have only a number of possible writes limit(you will never reach the limit in a real-world enviroment).

Your choice of hardware is poor to say the least. I bet you decided to go for the Rampage 4 just because you saw it was the most expensive board out there. If you do not intend on overclocking you are just throwing money down the drain and since I see from your choices you are a newbie in the pc world, you will not be able to take advantage of what the rampage 4 has to offer.

You do not need a six core processor for pretty much anything other than video/image rendering, which I assume you don't so there is not reason to buy that CPU, that's even more money wasted.

You do not need such a high wattage on your power supply. Even if you were to get those two GPUs, 1000 Watts if more than enough.

You do not need 2 GPUs, since you said you'll be gaming on a 1080p monitor, getting 2 680s is like buying a helicopter to go do your grocery shopping. It's expensive, looks good at first, brings troubles later and also becomes impractical.


I can go on and on about all the stuff I've read in this thread. OP I sincerely hope you haven't bought this abomination yet and strongly suggest you message me if you want further advise about your parts list, I will gladly help you and save you a TON of money.

EDIT: I just saw your parts list again , 32 gigs of dominators? Really?


Haha, yeah. It is a bit of an over kill.

I don't know if you want to tone it down or not Gungrave, but you can easily tone some of the stuff down and still get adequate performance. If you want 6 cores and 2 graphic cards, then keep them, that's your call. But just keep something in mind when it comes to cost and performance. Just because something is faster/better/whateveryouwanttocallit than it's predecessor, doesn't mean the performance per dollar will be the same too. Usually it's a lower performance per dollar for the better hardware.

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Posted on Mon May 20, 2013 12:22:12
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By Obscu784 [1717202]
Third off, OP stated that he finds SSDs more reliable than HDDs. To that I have to say you must live in a whole different universe since mechanical drives are CERTAIN to fail because they have moving parts and are more likely to malfunction, in contradiction to SSDs which have only a number of possible writes limit(you will never reach the limit in a real-world enviroment).


I think you meant to say "HDDs more reliable than SSDs"

As I said before I've had my fair share of bad experiences with SSDs and generally they don't offer the amount of storage I need especially considering the 250gig ones still run around the $200 range when I can get a terabyte Hardrive for just $110 to $120.



Nope, I do not mean "HDDs are more reliable than SSDs". I have no idea what kind of ssd you had an experience with that made you think the other way, but it actually is scientifically proven(through countless tests) that mechanical drives(HDDs) are the worst when it comes to reliability.

SSDs have lower capacities than HDDs(at least the affordable ones) because they cost a lot more to manufacture at higher densities. They are although waaay faster than any HDD out there(Velociraptors as well) and as I said before, a lot more reliable. SDDs are not meant to be mass storage drives(at least for the time being), they are meant to hold your OS along with other programmes that you have installed, any other files go to HDDs.

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Posted on Mon May 20, 2013 12:36:39
Looks really nice but some of it seems overkill IE stuff people that have unlimited funds would buy just because they can rather than buy them for actual useful reasons.

Also Gungrave PC technology is actually designed to become dated after 4-6 years and no matter how advanced you try to go you generally wont get more than 6 before you start having extremely serious issues upgrading. You can do some serious downgrading and last just as long while retaining absolute quality performance.

@guy above SSDs do have some issues, definitely don't want to run them without a UPS.

But in all seriousness with a little effort you can run all programs well at half the price you're going and last just fine. Buying the most expensive technology rarely ends well. Also running a $3,000 rig with no SSD for anything at all is honestly mind boggling. You CAN run an SSD and HDD but for the love of f**k a $3,000 rig with no SSD wtf?!

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Posted on Mon May 20, 2013 13:14:39
i dont get what is it with people here

gungrave wants to spend a lot of cash on a pretty good rig, although i would splash a bit more and get SSD too

and 10 year lifespan is pretty impossible for a pc, at least for me
i want to get a new pc every 2-3 years, but thats me
i want to have a new one and i cant do nothing about that



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Posted on Mon May 20, 2013 13:20:39
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i dont get what is it with people here

gungrave wants to spend a lot of cash on a pretty good rig, although i would splash a bit more and get SSD too

and 10 year lifespan is pretty impossible for a pc, at least for me
i want to get a new pc every 2-3 years, but thats me
i want to have a new one and i cant do nothing about that


Makes more sense to go $1,500 twice over $3,000 once anyways IMO. with $1,500 you can pretty much run it all at peak performance and in 4 years it'll be running okay and you can do it again for another 4 without running over the top gear. I agree though no way it's running 10 years, especially not for someone who wants to put that kind of power in a rig, feels like someone buying a pickup truck to drive to a desk job.

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Posted on Mon May 20, 2013 13:22:11
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i dont get what is it with people here

gungrave wants to spend a lot of cash on a pretty good rig, although i would splash a bit more and get SSD too

and 10 year lifespan is pretty impossible for a pc, at least for me
i want to get a new pc every 2-3 years, but thats me
i want to have a new one and i cant do nothing about that


Makes more sense to go $1,500 twice over $3,000 once anyways IMO.


yea, thats what i would do
but if you have the cash then why not enjoy the good things in life



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Posted on Mon May 20, 2013 18:25:21
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i dont get what is it with people here

gungrave wants to spend a lot of cash on a pretty good rig, although i would splash a bit more and get SSD too

and 10 year lifespan is pretty impossible for a pc, at least for me
i want to get a new pc every 2-3 years, but thats me
i want to have a new one and i cant do nothing about that


Makes more sense to go $1,500 twice over $3,000 once anyways IMO. with $1,500 you can pretty much run it all at peak performance and in 4 years it'll be running okay and you can do it again for another 4 without running over the top gear. I agree though no way it's running 10 years, especially not for someone who wants to put that kind of power in a rig, feels like someone buying a pickup truck to drive to a desk job.


let me clarify my 10 year statement...My aim is for it to be able to play a lot of games 5-7 years from now still on medium to high graphics before i consider a possible upgrade. My current computer is 5-6 years old and I can still run a lot of games on mid to high settings with some FPS lag but usually i stick to medium settings.

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Posted on Wed Jun 05, 2013 20:41:33

just bought this mouse

ROCCAT Kova+ ROC-11-520 Black 7 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Optical 3200 dpi Gaming Mouse
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826436007

So far its an amazing $50 mouse that I got for around $39 through a newegg promo deal.





Long story short my last mouse which was a typical logitech mouse crapped out on me during a major boss fight in a game and I was so pissed that I grabbed a hammer and beat the hell out of it. I had been having issues with that mouse for over a month so I'll just say that if felt good destroying that piece of shit.

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Posted on Mon Jun 10, 2013 03:27:07
i would have went with 2 crossfired ati radeon 7970's

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Posted on Mon Jun 10, 2013 04:48:09
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i would have went with 2 crossfired ati radeon 7970's


Can't really comment on that one, graphics cards I'm not that knowledgable on.

I just trust my brother's decisions since hes built a number of high end computers and worked fixing other computers for around 5-10 years now.

Once I told him to go high end and let me worry about the budget he went batshit crazy comparing all the components with other ones and then 5 hours later lol he finally selected the ones I have in the OP except for the Power Supply and Tower case those were two I selected along with the OS.

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Posted on Tue Jul 09, 2013 03:57:37
Just got my computer tower and god damn this thing is huge! I can almost put my full tower computer inside of it


anyways I have all i need to put my computer together(not inculding the dominator ram and the graphics card which i will get later).

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Posted on Tue Aug 13, 2013 17:11:37
There are such much new brands released for computer

and still cool at least 30% of those .

Try ones of those guys.

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Posted on Wed Aug 14, 2013 15:25:47
By Gungrave [470221]
By Beerstein [1322136]
By bloodred [662077]
i dont get what is it with people here

gungrave wants to spend a lot of cash on a pretty good rig, although i would splash a bit more and get SSD too

and 10 year lifespan is pretty impossible for a pc, at least for me
i want to get a new pc every 2-3 years, but thats me
i want to have a new one and i cant do nothing about that


Makes more sense to go $1,500 twice over $3,000 once anyways IMO. with $1,500 you can pretty much run it all at peak performance and in 4 years it'll be running okay and you can do it again for another 4 without running over the top gear. I agree though no way it's running 10 years, especially not for someone who wants to put that kind of power in a rig, feels like someone buying a pickup truck to drive to a desk job.


let me clarify my 10 year statement...My aim is for it to be able to play a lot of games 5-7 years from now still on medium to high graphics before i consider a possible upgrade. My current computer is 5-6 years old and I can still run a lot of games on mid to high settings with some FPS lag but usually i stick to medium settings.


well, my last box was an off-the-shelf HP. i paid $1000 for it, got a first gen i5, 4GB RAM, 250W PSU, and a 1TB HDD. over the course of 6 years, i stuck in a free 210GT, and was able to play every game i could throw at it. even now, it will comfortable play games like Metro: Last Light (even 2033) at 1920x1080 with medium textures.


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