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Thread created on Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:13:37
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I've often noticed that I'm more likely to get jailed when I'm trying to bust out players who are at a higher level than me...is this because of my low level or my low dexterity?

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Posted on Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:31:25
I think the rule of thumb is to bust people within the range of 4 lvls higher and 4 lvls lower than yourself. Helps to not be under the influence of drugs also.

That said I bust whoever, whenever. But I get the most fails on very low lvls ie. 1-10


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Posted on Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:34:57
You didn't say what your dex was (roughly) nor how long the people were in jail for, so I can't really help.

Any level differences are bullshit. Regarding ease of busting, lower jail time is generally easier to bust, as well as failed busters.

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Posted on Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:47:29
I've got 75k dex. Whenever I attempt to bust higher level players, its almost always failed busters (I don't bust higher levels who are jailed for > 2 hours).

Also, is this known for fact? coz I didn't know this-
Helps to not be under the influence of drugs also.




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Posted on Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:54:43
Cannabis can help you squeeze some more busts into the 15 min block or help you get a longer bust chain, but as far as I know, no other drugs have effect on busting (not that anyone has done any extensive testing ofc).

You only have 500 or so busts, so how big is your sample size? not attacking you or anything but I'm genuinely interested. I have 50m dex and it's been ages since I had < 100k, so I can't remember my success/fails with lower/higher levels, although from my recollection only there was no difference in fail rates as long as my dex was sufficient for their jail-time.

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Posted on Tue Jan 21, 2014 13:00:18
sample size?

Earler I used to try and bust anyone and everyone, but after a lot of failed busts, I'm now busting anyone and everyone below level 31, and like I said higher levels who are jailed for < 2 hours.

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Posted on Tue Jan 21, 2014 13:07:51
I mean how long have you been tracking failed busts and the levels?

Are you following the 15 minute rule and busting only to your capability? (busting only as many as you can before you get caught before waiting for the next 15 minute tick)?

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Posted on Tue Jan 21, 2014 13:09:06
When you say 'higher lvl players' how high are we talking about?

I have 75k dex also and bust up to lvl 100 at times, I suggest you stay within your level range, keep your crime exp up (warehouse arson) and yeah @2-3hrs, don't attempt more than 3 busts within 15mins


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Posted on Tue Jan 21, 2014 13:22:17
i've been tracking it for the past 14-16 days. (about 250 busts i reckon)

And i haven't strictly been following the 15 min rule, because I always thought it was the 10 min rule, so that explains why I was caught trying to bust a level 2

^and my crime xp is as up as it can get, been doing gta crimes after I reached my 45nb. Whn I say higher levels, I'm referring to the ones above level 35.

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Posted on Tue Jan 21, 2014 13:32:17
After long observation, I found out that I can easily bust 3-4 people outta jail straight most of the time! Any more after that is a sure sure jail time.
Got 1m dex and near 300 busts record. Is this normal?

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Posted on Tue Jan 21, 2014 13:56:02
I busted higher levels easily on fitst attempt.. My second attempt on high levels are always failure.. First attempt on busting i do on high levels and high timing players. Second on low levels, although it is random.

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Posted on Tue Jan 21, 2014 14:05:59
As Link says, nothing to do with levels. But more to do with length of time in jail.

I've noticed I can do 5 to 6 IF the majority are under 3 hours before being jailed.

But can only manage 3 if there 3-4 hours+

(Not that I see so many players in at one time, but I do notice it!!!)

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Posted on Tue Jan 21, 2014 14:59:11
I recently started busting, but I used info Link gave me, and it worked.

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Posted on Tue Jan 21, 2014 15:10:57
hyh so theory of "quality busts" vs normal ones is outdated? Oo

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Posted on Tue Jan 21, 2014 15:14:33
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Cannabis can help you squeeze some more busts into the 15 min block or help you get a longer bust chain, but as far as I know, no other drugs have effect on busting (not that anyone has done any extensive testing ofc).

You only have 500 or so busts, so how big is your sample size? not attacking you or anything but I'm genuinely interested. I have 50m dex and it's been ages since I had < 100k, so I can't remember my success/fails with lower/higher levels, although from my recollection only there was no difference in fail rates as long as my dex was sufficient for their jail-time.


Would you say there's actually a significant difference for 'failed busters'? Or is that purely because failed busters are in there for lower times anyway making them easier for that reason alone... and their 'failed bust' jail reason is entirely irrelevant :/ That's what I have always believed at least but granted have not busted even close to the amount you have. Seems odd to me that it would be coded to give people who have failed to bust others an easier busting chance... jail is jail at the end of the day... what matters is their level of security (being time in jail)

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Posted on Tue Jan 21, 2014 15:21:39
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Would you say there's actually a significant difference for 'failed busters'? Or is that purely because failed busters are in there for lower times anyway making them easier for that reason alone... and their 'failed bust' jail reason is entirely irrelevant :/ That's what I have always believed at least but granted have not busted even close to the amount you have. Seems odd to me that it would be coded to give people who have failed to bust others an easier busting chance... jail is jail at the end of the day... what matters is their level of security (being time in jail)

Well we are talking about when there were pages and pages of people in the jail to choose from, and this was the time I was using all my energy (plus xanax, fhc's and cans) to bust. I found that if I started getting caught a lot (I was an impatient buster lol)on regular busts, I could usually squeeze a few more in (in the 15 minute block) if I targetted the failed busters. Purely anecdotal, and I have not tracked results, so take it with a huge helping of salt.


@Barbossa: My theory is that you gain a % of the CE of the person you bust out of jail. You used to gain a % of your own dexterity for busting yourself from jail, and my theory is that you gain that same % of the CE based on what the person you're busting has. I forgot what the % was (was it 0.05?) so let's say you busted me from jail, you'd gain 0.05% of my CE. Therefore the best people to bust (if my theory is accurate) are those you know have high CE (good solid busters or people with higher nerve bars). Of course it's only my theory and I'm sure everyone has one, and it can't be tested....but there ya go. My idea of "quality" bust is not quite the same as everyone else's


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Posted on Tue Jan 21, 2014 15:35:04
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As Link says, nothing to do with levels. But more to do with length of time in jail.

I've noticed I can do 5 to 6 IF the majority are under 3 hours before being jailed.

But can only manage 3 if there 3-4 hours+

(Not that I see so many players in at one time, but I do notice it!!!)


Well the law bachelor and law firm job give you the ability to get longer bust chains. That is, you can bust more people out of jail before you will get caught yourself.

So if you imagine a glass that can be filled to 100% capacity, you'd have to say that things like:
* Their level
* Time in jail
* possibly the crime they committed
* Perhaps even your own CE level

could all calculate to some sort of 'difficulty multiplier' which would determine how much of the glass would 'fill up' after you bust them out. If you fill the glass too much (or 'overflow' it), then you get caught.

Perks like law firm and law bachelor would decrease the difficulty multiplier and cause the glass to 'fill up' more slowly, meaning you could do more busts before you 'overflow' it.

So then, provided you had enough dexterity, it's not to say you *cannot* bust the higher levels than yourself, but if your glass is already filled a bit (or a lot) you have a much higher chance to fail (each successive bust in the bust chain increases the difficulty).

So when I was talking about the 15 minute rule earlier, I'm not saying the glass completely 'empties', but I think it at least reduces somewhat, allowing you to fit in more busts each 15 min tick.


Now, if everyone would be so kind as to stop stealing my busts, it would be much appreciated! Ganon (my arch nemesis) is currently beating me (me! the hero of time!) in the MnC busting comp ;(

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Posted on Tue Jan 21, 2014 15:47:21
Dun bust high levels unless you can, dun bust high times unless you can.

Do educations and train dex to bust harder people.

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Posted on Tue Jan 21, 2014 15:54:58
I made the mistake in busting 5 in a row last night and got all "kid in a candy store" with it. Then wham! 5 fails. I am collecting my pixels and going home!

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Posted on Tue Jan 21, 2014 22:30:28
When I started busting I used to use time*level as a guideline for the bust difficulty. Now I bust anything, mostly going as high as I can. I think I have a pretty good success rate so I can't be that far off.

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